Xbox 360 To Be Dreamcast 2.0 ?

1UP are running an interesting feature article which shows the remarkable similiarities between the Dreamcast and Xbox 360 launches. Some of the reasons are very trivial but hey it's a possible scenario for the Xbox 360 to go the same way as the Dreamcast.


Look familiar ? The 1up article draws up a direct comparsion between the Xbox 360 swirl and the above Dreamcast swirl!

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I just read the article on 1up and it has really interesting points. So I think the 360 will never go the way the dreamcast did. You cant compare Sega to M$. Even if the 360 fails M$ is $ and thats peanuts for them. And the most important reason the 360 will be a success: There´s too many Halo fanturds out there (couldnt resist )

Now that was a very well done article. It brought back a lot of good and sad dreamcast memories.

Almost as similar as humans decending from the apes.

Also missed fact that the ps2 never graphically surpassed the dreamcast.

I liked every bit of the article save for that bit about Halo 3 trumping the whole entire DC library.... I dont even think the same could be said about FFVII, and halo is only another generic american made FPS game...

This article was pretty stupid. i'd say about 6/8ths of the simularities are bent truth

New cutting edge tech demos? Ha. I read in the very same magazine that said this very same quote. They defined the 360 as limited polygons and actually asked the 360 team why the graphics haven't been enhanced as much as it's predecessor. Their reply was that as technology goes by the exponential growth decreases as you try to squeez what you can. I really hate magazines that say one thing then suck up later. Grow some freakin balls.

Doesn't support new CUTTING EDGE DVD FORMAT!!! Ya it's made a huge revolution considering it isn't out yet and dvd players will cost literally a grand at first.

Being hosted on mtv......the playstation and playstation 2 have done that before. Not really even a coincidense.

Windows ce for dreamcast and windows based platform for xbox....wow no way I thought it ran off of mac os x 10!!! No wait that's silly....I was thinkin of linux.

Bleemcast was not supported by dreamcast. Actually I beleive there was a lawsuit and they stopped supporting games after metal gear solid.

now onto the dumb things into why it will win.

This one isn't really dumb but when you think of it I make a very valid point. When the dreamcast came out none of it's predicesors were backwards compatible so there was no mindset to do such a thing. After the ps2 made this possible now everything is expected to do as such. So I don't see the xbox 360 backwards compatibility as a shock anymore.

I'm sorry but the dreamcast controllers did and still do kick much ass so screw you electronic gaming monthly.

Didn't have Halo 3? Are you reaching or what? I'm guessing they couldn't think of more then 9 so they slabbed another stupid comment in there.

Couple things I found informative.

Launched a year before competition.

The marketing tactic. Made me think.

Peter moore. Crrrrrreapy.

Mountain dew and pepsi. Pepsi fans give me a woot!!!

The bald head guy was hillariouse but obviousely just another reach.

kgonepostl, I think everyone knows that they were stretching things a little with the article. But it was still great; even very funny at times! So kgonepostl, lets make a few things strait.

* the 360 had nothing for tech demos at first. But now they have the best tech demos anyone has shown. (Metal Gear Solid for PS3 isn't a tech demo, its a video)

* both PS3 and 360 are suppose to be multimedia players. But Microsoft isn't going to be compatable with either of the latest video formats; Sony is.

* both the Dreamcast and the 360's OS is Microsoft. I didn't understand your point here, kgonepostl.

* Bleamcast may have been stopped by Sony lawsuits. But the same year that Bleamcast when down was the same year Dreamcast went down too.

* name a game on Dreamcast that sold as much a Halo 2. Dreamcast didn't have any super huge sellers; just a lot of good games. So no, Dreamcast doesn't have Halo 3.

In my opinion it sounds like you liked the article, kgonepostl.

don't know if you know kgonepost, but the 360 is not supposed to have backwards compability with all games they said. only the "best selling" ones, and they will "try" to implement support for other games after that. they say it's too hard because of new architecture or something like that.

Originally Posted by dreary79

kgonepostl, I think everyone knows that they were stretching things a little with the article. But it was still great; even very funny at times! So kgonepostl, lets make a few things strait.

* the 360 had nothing for tech demos at first. But now they have the best tech demos anyone has shown. (Metal Gear Solid for PS3 isn't a tech demo, its a video)

* both PS3 and 360 are suppose to be multimedia players. But Microsoft isn't going to be compatable with either of the latest video formats; Sony is.

* both the Dreamcast and the 360's OS is Microsoft. I didn't understand your point here, kgonepostl.

* Bleamcast may have been stopped by Sony lawsuits. But the same year that Bleamcast when down was the same year Dreamcast went down too.

* name a game on Dreamcast that sold as much a Halo 2. Dreamcast didn't have any super huge sellers; just a lot of good games. So no, Dreamcast doesn't have Halo 3.

In my opinion it sounds like you liked the article, kgonepostl.

not to start beef I'm just clearing things up. the answers are in chronological order.

The tech demos I was refering to was in a very recent issue so it wasn't no e3 release that I was talkin about. My oppinion still stands solid on that one.

I understand that. ps3 will only support blue-ray. But as on maxconsole they have also discussed that this will be their downfall such as the discs that came out for the phillips machine with that crappy zelda game. To put your faith in a future format is just plain silly. And from what I understand. And please correct me if I'm wrong. They will not support dvd-5's or 9's. Meaning that if the format flops then the prices for the games will go up accordingly which is not a good thing considering that games are already going to be around the 70 dollar mark. That's just where I was goin with that.

The point with the os with the xbox and the dreamcast went too far and that's probobly where i confused you. That was my mistake I was just dissapointed with the article and I showed too much enthusiasm. The way they wrote it is like it was some sort of a shocker that microsoft used their own form of operating system.....I mean honestly what else are they gonna use? That one was my mistake.

I'm kinda confused by your bleamcast comment. I'm kinda getting the impression that you think the bleamcast had a major effect on the dreamcasts death.......Let's put it this way I had about 40 games and I owned 6 of them :-D. It was the no need for modchip that sunk the dreamcast and there is an extremely high chance that sega would still be a platformer to this day.

Your right about the halo 3. I took the comment way to literal I see where they were stabbin that time and I feel kinda stupid for that remark because it actually makes a very valid point. But then again look down to the bottom.
100 mil budget. Gates last time I checked had 90 billion before the supreme court got in his business. And before Halo was going to be on the xbox it was going to be a mac game since that's what bungie was known for. Heck it wasn't even originaly going to be a first person shooter it was going to be a rts game like warcraft...kinda freaky huh.

I did like the article but I was expecting more. Way more to tell you the truth.

Originally Posted by medo145

don't know if you know kgonepost, but the 360 is not supposed to have backwards compability with all games they said. only the "best selling" ones, and they will "try" to implement support for other games after that. they say it's too hard because of new architecture or something like that.

good news my friend. They are going to support practically all games. The most popular first but they are aiming for every single one. There was a leaked report that went out and it was confirmed. Just a heads up. And for the architecture they are just bullcrapin. I have a very good feeling it can be easily implimented. There's a problem with patents and ms doesn't want to shell out the cash. But as a put before it's pretty much expected to be backwards compatible these days so I can almost garentee it will happen. They'll feel the heat and shell out the dough. It also has to go in with marketing tactics. If your the first one out to make an impression and the ps3 comes out a year later where technology prices fall and improve you gotta hit real hard like the ps2 did and get a foundation of people behind you in the beggining.

ok well 1st things 1st. 1up are the biggest sony fanboys to ever grace the earth. Secondly the article is all complete rubbish. They say the ps3 is far superior hardware. If you know a fair amount about how a cpu and gpu works you would know that the 360 has the fastest gpu and the ps3 at peak performance has the fastest cpu. I used the work peak because cell is extremely hard to program for since your essentially programming lots of cpus. In other words ps3 requires alot of optimization to make the most out of cell.

The 360 will no doubt have the better looking games due to its embedded ram which allows some AA at no performance hit. Now onto the issue that some1 mentioned about backwards compatibility. The 360 will be using emulation, and guess what? emulation isnt 100% perfect and it never will be, but they are doing thier best and also after the console is released downloadable config files will try to reach near full backwards compatibility.
Here is the shocker the ps3 will also use emulation to run ps2 and psx games. Now taking into account that the silver slimline ps2 doesnt use emulation to play psx and ps2 games lol, it doesnt play loads of psx games and 10 or so ps2 games. You really think sony (a hardware company known for its shody software) are really capable of beating microsoft at emulation? get real lol.

The ps3 is more like the dreamcast than the 360 will ever be. Here are the reasons.

dreamcast was hard to program for - ps3 will be hard to program for (the hardest console to date to be exact)

sony believe they will get full 3rd party support because everyone loves them - sega thought this aswell and how it back fired on them.

development costs - the cost to develop for the dreamcast was high and the cost to develop for the ps3 is so much that developers have said if they develop for the ps3 they havnt got enough resources to develop for any other medium...ouch.

terrible online - the dreamcast had a slow connection and really was overall pretty shody. The ps3, no unified online service, the developers have to host ther own servers and do everything themselves. No friends lists, no way of knowing what games ppl have, no searching for games features, nothing that a unified service provides. In other words the ps2 with better graphics. Total ****.

Here are some other reasons why sony are bastards.

lies lies lies lies lies lies - My god they lie about everything dont they? ps2 specs? they lied, e3? they lied, everything up to this point about the ps3 has been pretty much lies. Full backwards compatible...(well using emulation good luck to you!), twice the speed of the 360 (lol amazing how many ppl believed this but erm no, i believe once they optmize games for the ps3 it will match the 360 but it wont beat it graphically not a chance im afraid).
Also does ken no wot hes talking about? games will run at 120 fps.... good for you but tvs dont refresh that fast **** face.

edit: also im pretty sure the 360 cud run games at 120fps if it really wanted to. I dont think games like dead or alive 4 or call of duty are stressing the 360 at all and 120fps cud b possible. But why in the hell wud u want to?

And now finally the ps3 will be overpriced and include no hard disk as standard. The games will be expensive due to high dev costs and blu ray. I really hope ppl dont buy the ps3 on blind faith and just look at what a shambles it really is.

hey and you forgot killzone. They wanted to show up some competition by making it look like it was real time when it was pre-rendered. Frankly I don't blame them for putting the video out. But false hopes is bad tactics. Just made them look bad when everybody found out (like you couldn't tell).

Also I agree I've heard the cell processor is going to be hell to program for. I forgot why. Probobly because it's a new concept. I don't know.

Originally Posted by kgonepostl

hey and you forgot killzone. They wanted to show up some competition by making it look like it was real time when it was pre-rendered. Frankly I don't blame them for putting the video out. But false hopes is bad tactics. Just made them look bad when everybody found out (like you couldn't tell).

Also I agree I've heard the cell processor is going to be hell to program for. I forgot why. Probobly because it's a new concept. I don't know.

its to do with the SPEs, they act as floating point calculators, but they have very limited memory, and aparantly they keep running out of memory which is causing code to crash and run like crap. Aparantly it doesnt even tell you in the debug wether the memory is going to run out or not. Makes it a sort of weird trail and error. It just what ive heard but it does seem likely.

edit: the ps3 tbh is looking like 2 failed projects put into a console to try and salvage them. Sony developed cell so they cud use it in multimedia home systems and also to sell it to other companies. So far everyone has shunned cell for its design flaws and so sony are cutting ther losses and putting it in the ps3, its not because its super powerful and cutting edge, its because theyve spent that much money on developing it they cant afford not to use it. Blu ray is sort of the same, its gone through loads of design changes and is coming up against major competition. The ps3 doesnt need blu ray, sony need the ps3 to have blu ray in order to push the format.

Originally Posted by kgonepostl

I understand that. ps3 will only support blue-ray. But as on maxconsole they have also discussed that this will be their downfall such as the discs that came out for the phillips machine with that crappy zelda game. To put your faith in a future format is just plain silly. And from what I understand. And please correct me if I'm wrong. They will not support dvd-5's or 9's. Meaning that if the format flops then the prices for the games will go up accordingly which is not a good thing considering that games are already going to be around the 70 dollar mark. That's just where I was goin with that.

1) PS3 is not going to get any philips crappy zelda games. 2) Are you saying the PS3 will not support dvd5/dvd9 PS3 games, PS2 games and/or movies?

Originally Posted by kgonepostl

I'm kinda confused by your bleamcast comment. I'm kinda getting the impression that you think the bleamcast had a major effect on the dreamcasts death.......Let's put it this way I had about 40 games and I owned 6 of them :-D. It was the no need for modchip that sunk the dreamcast and there is an extremely high chance that sega would still be a platformer to this day.

What I was saying is that maybe Sony didn't kill Bleemcast, maybe the death of Dreamcast killed Bleemcast. Also, I don't think that limited number of Dreamcast pirates killed off the system. I think the Saturn killed them before the Dreamcast ever came out.

Originally Posted by kgonepostl

Your right about the halo 3. I took the comment way to literal I see where they were stabbin that time and I feel kinda stupid for that remark because it actually makes a very valid point. But then again look down to the bottom.
100 mil budget. Gates last time I checked had 90 billion before the supreme court got in his business. And before Halo was going to be on the xbox it was going to be a mac game since that's what bungie was known for. Heck it wasn't even originaly going to be a first person shooter it was going to be a rts game like warcraft...kinda freaky huh.

I remember seeing the first video on Halo. I was pretty impressed. Then the game disappeared and then reappeared on Xbox. I thought it was pretty odd.

Everyone seems to be talking about Xbox emulation on the 360. Is it true that you have to buy the hard drive to emulate the Xbox games? If so, isn't that a pretty stupid move on Microsoft.

Also... there are some Sony fans here and some Microsoft fans here. To be honest... I don't like either of their moves for their new systems. =)

may be dream will be emu on 360or re conpile came hacks that make thim work
on 360

Originally Posted by dreary79

Everyone seems to be talking about Xbox emulation on the 360. Is it true that you have to buy the hard drive to emulate the Xbox games? If so, isn't that a pretty stupid move on Microsoft.

It cant be helped really. It uses emulation and emulation will require a storage medium to store the emulator and compatiblity files. I imagine a 16mb card wont hold very many compat files. Also ps3 i imagine will have the same limitation. Its using emulation, and so will suffer from not all games working and also require the hard disk or a large storage medium. Maybe this will be memory sticks, but thier more expensive than the ms hard disk so.... And the ps3 isnt coming with a hard disk as standard which is stupid.

Also did anyone read about sonys new copy protection? it hasnt been announced wether the ps3 will use it but sony are developing it. It makes games lock to your console and they will not work on anyone elses once they are locked to yours. So no taking ur games round 2 a friends house, or selling them second hand.

Combined with ther crappy online and terrible mis matched hardware, sony are really trying to commit suicide here. Its gone down hill ever since thier psx. Why dont they make a console thats actually good. The ps2 sucked so bad compared to the cube and the xbox. Ther just getting too big for thier boots because they have a market lead.

edit: would also like to note that if your a serious gamer your going to want the premium package with a hard disk. It allows so much, downloadable game demos, downloadable game trailers, xbox live, ability to play mmorpgs. I dont think i know anybody thats getting the core package. You get all your online stuff for an extra 70 quid and a wireless controller aswell. Considering the laptop hard drive in the 360 is worth more than 70 quid ur getting a bargain.