Sony doesn't want 360 owners cash, refuses to send Bravia HDTV review unit to Official Xbox Magazine

[Zeus]

Every issue, the Official Xbox Magazine reviews one HDTV set and one of the editors thought it would be a good idea to test out a Bravia as he was impressed with one unit that he purchased. So they sent out a mail to Sony's PR team requesting a Bravia HDTV to review who responded by saying they would have to pass on the opportunity. Why? Because they have to support their friends at their sister company the representative remarked.


Here's where it gets weird. Murph contacted Sony's PR to request a set for review, and was told...no. It would appear that the console wars extend further than any of us realized, but that's the reason given — we're a Microsoft-focused (but not -owned, I should point out) publication, and they are a PlayStation-creating company (but not the same business division, I should point out), so...just no. "I have to support our friends over at our sister company," said the representative.

...What?

I wrote back and asked, as politely as I could, "Really?" I know that several readers have written in and posted on the forums that our reviews have helped them make HDTV decisions — and quite often, they tell us that they buy the exact model we reviewed, because we've recommended it. Why wouldn't you want to be included in our coverage? I even told him, hey, I bought one, and there are no incompatibilities between Sony sets and Microsoft games. You sure you don't want to sell TV sets to, like, everybody?

The reply was that they were sure. "Sony is going to pass on this opportunity."

So, we won't review Sony HDTVs, I guess. Mitsubishi, Toshiba, Sharp, Westinghouse...they're all valid options. But Sony is not interested in 360 gamers using its products.


News Source: <a href="http://www.oxmonline.com/article/xbox-soapbox/sony-doesnt-want-your-money" target="_blank">oxmonline</a>

[danight]

lol at sony that doesn't stop sony BGM from putting content on xbox live marketplace :rolleyes:

[Dpa]

lol at sony that doesn't stop sony BGM from putting content on xbox live marketplace :rolleyes:
And it doesnt stop Sony BGM from producing Little Chris' songs even though the spoilt little tw4t said on xleague.tv he doesnt play PS3 hes a 360 fanboy.

[mashti]

microsoft wants to review Sony's Hardware's quality,thats a good one :D

[rbranma]

haha...good one. I laughed just great before sleep. Thx.

[xllzerollx]

if the guy haves one why cant he review that one?

[PcFish]

Whatever happened to free speech?
He couldn't just write a review?
What legal things would be present in this issue?

[XxBigP123xX]

he's made that he dosent get a free tv:confused:

[GazP]

Would they give it a fair review with it being from Sony? And if it didn't get the best marks available would it be because it's Sony and a rival? Damned if you do, damned if you don't! They should have sent them one anyway and seen what happened.

[ModderFokker]

if the guy haves one why cant he review that one?


:D

Move point youve got there.......

Now they should change the headlines "I wont get a free TV from Sony"

[mystic54]

Would they give it a fair review with it being from Sony? And if it didn't get the best marks available would it be because it's Sony and a rival? Damned if you do, damned if you don't! They should have sent them one anyway and seen what happened.

Intelligent post, great opinion.

XxBigP123xX: No offense, but are you requiring yourself to post in every topic now?

[lokii]

They should have sent them one anyway and seen what happened.

Damnations would probably occur.. and anyways.. bravias DO suck compared to samsung lcd's

:rolleyes:

[Enviable27]

Damnations would probably occur.. and anyways.. bravias DO suck compared to samsung lcd's

:rolleyes:

Im sorry dont know what you have been smoking but Sammys dont come close to my Bravia, using both My 360 and ps3 ;)

[roguetel]

Wow big surprise.

Sony afraid to let another fair and unbiased review of more of their precious junk take place?

$ony, the only company to outdo China's lead-paint children's toys with their DRM infested low quality poorly produced junk.

[lokii]

bravias use samsung technology dude and most lcds have samsung backlights....bravias dont come close to samsung lcds in any way shape or form. and i thank god i aint smoking the same **** as you...i suggest you go for an eye test.

[Enviable27]

bravias use samsung technology dude and most lcds have samsung backlights....bravias dont come close to samsung lcds in any way shape or form. and i thank god i aint smoking the same **** as you...i suggest you go for an eye test.

You have to be stupid to think they use the same engine, It's named Bravia engine for a reason, and yes I have perfect 20/20 vision by the way. If you actually owned a Sammy and have good vision then you would be able to see all the screen grain and artifacts those screens produce, Sammys dont suck, they just suck compared to Bravias

[harryisme]

:D

Move point youve got there.......

Now they should change the headlines "I wont get a free TV from Sony"

If you read the posts at the site, the editor replies that they do not keep the TV's but they sign a loan agreement, where they return the LCD after they finish with the review. So mute point there.

Any why the bleedin' hell should he bring his own set in for review purposes, It's something he brought for his personal use, nothing to do with work. if you worked for a Car magazine and brought a brand new car you wouldn't let them take your car for a test drive why should TV's be any different.

M$ are not competing with Sony in the LCD screen war, it's the console war, and if the Bravia gives the best picture that's what they would recommened.

[Enviable27]

If you read the posts at the site, the editor replies that they do not keep the TV's but they sign a loan agreement, where they return the LCD after they finish with the review. So mute point there.

Any why the bleedin' hell should he bring his own set in for review purposes, It's something he brought for his personal use, nothing to do with work. if you worked for a Car magazine and brought a brand new car you wouldn't let them take your car for a test drive why should TV's be any different.

M$ are not competing with Sony in the LCD screen war, it's the console war, and if the Bravia gives the best picture that's what they would recommened.

Who in their right mind would buy a tv, because of a 2 sentence review from a game magazine, Sony doesnt want to send the tv big deal who cares, they need a magazine to sell their product. Their product sells itself

[lokii]

You have to be stupid to think they use the same engine, It's named Bravia engine for a reason, and yes I have perfect 20/20 vision by the way. If you actually owned a Sammy and have good vision then you would be able to see all the screen grain and artifacts those screens produce, Sammys dont suck, they just suck compared to Bravias

Id agree to disagree....bravias have samsung backlights and i guess u cannot afford another lcd as you would know the samsungs have far better clarity than the bravias...

Sony just isnt in the same league now as samsung as a TV manufacturer.

[Enviable27]

Id agree to disagree....bravias have samsung backlights and i guess u cannot afford another lcd as you would know the samsungs have far better clarity than the bravias...

Sony just isnt in the same league now as samsung as a TV manufacturer.

I have 3 HDTVS buddy how many do you have?

[Dpa]

Damnations would probably occur.. and anyways.. bravias DO suck compared to samsung lcd's

:rolleyes:
Everyone knows:

Bravia XBR / S series > Samsungs > Bravia M/P series (aka the budget range).
Granted Samsungs have nicer presentation overall but not better picture quality and are by quite a large margin, much better value for money.

[mashti]

Sony just isnt in the same league now as samsung as a TV manufacturer.

bullcrap samsungs products are like microsoft ones look good but they always breakdown.

i owned 3 samsung tv's all have gone faulty on me :

one had purple line across the screen.
one both the scart sockets died.
one sound but no picture.

how can anyone compare a world class japanese company like Sony to some korean sh1t.:confused:

[lokii]

http://tv.blogdig.net/archives/articles/December2007/19/Samsung_Plans_To_Produce_4000x2000_Pixel_LCD_TV_s. html


Enough said....samsung lead the way in lcd technology
And btw mr 8 post sony bravia fanboy go post some some game posts instead of defending your crap sony reject tv's with half your recent posts. :D

:rolleyes::cool:

[dennis872007]

Wow big surprise.

Sony afraid to let another fair and unbiased review of more of their precious junk take place?

$ony, the only company to outdo China's lead-paint children's toys with their DRM infested low quality poorly produced junk.

unbiased review, i really doubt that. the review would go along the lines, its a pretty good tv and while they give you a ps3, we would not recommend it.

[Enviable27]

http://tv.blogdig.net/archives/articles/December2007/19/Samsung_Plans_To_Produce_4000x2000_Pixel_LCD_TV_s. html


Enough said....samsung lead the way in lcd technology
And btw mr 8 post sony bravia fanboy go post some some game posts instead of defending your crap sony reject tv's with half your recent posts. :D

:rolleyes::cool:

If you grainy tvs are so good why arent they #1 http://reviews.cnet.com/4370-6485_7-168-101.html?tag=dir

[Tracksol]

You have to be stupid to think they use the same engine, It's named Bravia engine for a reason, and yes I have perfect 20/20 vision by the way. If you actually owned a Sammy and have good vision then you would be able to see all the screen grain and artifacts those screens produce, Sammys dont suck, they just suck compared to Bravias

The "engine" you talk about refers to the "motherboard" of the tv set, so to speak. Really it's just the code that handles the muxing, interlacing, deinterlacing and all that other video junk most people know nothing about. Most of the actual components themselves aren't even made by Sony instead by Mitsubishi, Samsung, Fitsuda (sp?). Sharp is actually the largest manufacturer of LCD panels (the panel itself minus the lighting and "motherboard"). Example, the LCD panel on 2 Toshiba & one Gateway laptop and one Dell computer monitor that I've owned were all made by Sharp. I know this because I like to take things apart, as well as I had to replace inverters on all 3 laptops.

Ask most TV repair shops and they'll tell you that Sony TV's (CRTs and flat panels) are pretty equal hardware wise compared to other manufacturers. Often times the same component for a Sony will cost much more than for another brand, even though that part is made by the same company and is compatible on another brand set.

However, their top of the line sets ARE actually excellent pieces of hardware with great image quality, however at most times 2 to 3 times the cost of a comparable set from another manufacturer like Samsung or Sharp.

About the thread, there's no reason why Sony couldn't send the magazine a set for review. They send hardware out to other publications and websites for review all the time. They're just being big babies and displaying an anti Microsoft mentality even though the magazine isn't tied to that company like Playstation magazine is to Sony.

I say the editor should actually mention this experience in his own column. Out of spite, they should never review a Sony set.

[saleem]

if the guy haves one why cant he review that one?

i think he wants to do the old switcharoony.
:p

[SoulThief]

If you grainy tvs are so good why arent they #1 http://reviews.cnet.com/4370-6485_7-168-101.html?tag=dir

#1 Is a Panasonic

And #2 is a Rearview PROJECTED HDTV screen, that' NOT LCD-LED

Anyways, there's more Samsung in that list than Sony.

[pCeSlAyEr]

I have 3 HDTVS buddy how many do you have?

I have 2 and a DLP projector...

Bravias are very vibrant, but something about them seems off... A slight amount of grainy look to the overall image.

LCD sucks ass any way.

LED DLP 4 LIFE!! going to get a Laser DLP whenever one becomes available.

oh and CNET is garbage...

[Enviable27]

:rolleyes:#1 Is a Panasonic

And #2 is a Rearview PROJECTED HDTV screen, that' NOT LCD-LED

Anyways, there's more Samsung in that list than Sony.

Its an LCOS "liquid crystal on silicon display" and i have the 60 in of that model, its way better pic quality than any sammy obviously :rolleyes:

[idc]

:rolleyes:

Its an LCOS "liquid crystal on silicon display" and i have the 60 in of that model, its way better pic quality than any sammy obviously :rolleyes:

Fucking hell lads, why don't you all just get your cocks out and start claiming yours is bigger/better. :p

[hawke12]

he's made that he dosent get a free tv:confused:

I'm gonna write sony and ask for one to review, I'll write up all kinds of Love for 'em :)

[pCeSlAyEr]

Fucking hell lads, why don't you all just get your cocks out and start claiming yours is bigger/better. :p

my pants are already around my ankles... who dares to compare!!

[kronikdaddy]

The Samsung LED DLP 56' HDTV in my room is awsome, It has a better picture than those 3X the price i paid and it accepts 1080p over component.
Any $ony TV would have forced me to by a HDMI equipped 360 to get it to 1080p as i haven't heard of a $ony TV that will do 1080p over component.

HD-DVD looks better though my 360 over componant than Blu-Ray on my PS3 with HDMI. I am mainly basing that from renting 300 on BR for PS3 and owning it on HD-DVD.

Just to be fair Crank did look really good on BR.

There is my review on the Samsung HLT5687S 56" Slim LED Engine 1080p DLP HDTV (My price was $1674.95 NIB)

[put4558350]

I have 2 hd-lcd tv. one is bravia and lg

once I plug xbox360 to lg xbox360 set it's resolution match tv's native automatic.
but on bravia resolution set to 480p.

[Oner]

The Samsung LED DLP 56' HDTV in my room is awsome, It has a better picture than those 3X the price i paid and it accepts 1080p over component.
Any $ony TV would have forced me to by a HDMI equipped 360 to get it to 1080p as i haven't heard of a $ony TV that will do 1080p over component.

HD-DVD looks better though my 360 over componant than Blu-Ray on my PS3 with HDMI. I am mainly basing that from renting 300 on BR for PS3 and owning it on HD-DVD.

Just to be fair Crank did look really good on BR.

There is my review on the Samsung HLT5687S 56" Slim LED Engine 1080p DLP HDTV (My price was $1674.95 NIB)

WRONG. Sony's do 1080p over component with no problems, as for the component signal being better/clearer than an HDMI...that comment alone explains a whole lot about how slighted you are.

[grapeape]

WRONG. Sony's do 1080p over component with no problems, as for the component signal being better/clearer than an HDMI...that comment alone explains a whole lot about how slighted you are.

Which bravia's do 1080p over component? Every model I looked at when I picked up my TV last year only did 1080i over component...thats why I went with the Samsung.

[Frak-Frakistan]

microsoft wants to review Sony's Hardware's quality

you got it spot on. they ant to see what's the meaning of quality and how does it feel like to own a machine that doesn't break down...no matter what.

[Frak-Frakistan]

Which bravia's do 1080p over component? Every model I looked at when I picked up my TV last year only did 1080i over component...thats why I went with the Samsung.

you obviously don't know shi t.. only dic ks but samsung HD,

[Rockman_Joey]

he's made that he dosent get a free tv:confused:

Yeah!!! TAKE IT DAMN IT!!!

[Claxiux]

uote of the title for this article "Sony doesn't want 360 owners cash"

Now I wonder.... is this site trying to brainwash people?

[whackawookie]

If you grainy tvs are so good why arent they #1 http://reviews.cnet.com/4370-6485_7-168-101.html?tag=dir

check that site again, and to be safe check it twice. had you read the reviews you'd see that the one sony with a higher grade is a 52" projection, the one sony lcd has the same rating as sammy's ln-t4681f plus in the top 10 4 of the models are samsung. I've done my homework before buying an lcd because if you dont get the right one youll have a poor picture. I went with the ln-t4665f for having the best blacks seen on an lcd, no pixelation, actual proper colors and 1080p through component. for the record heres the actual quote from the sony lcd that ties with samsungs

This HDTV delivers the deepest, most realistic black levels we've measured on any LCD (with the exception of Samsung's LN-T4681F),

[three15]

Well i had 6 count them 6 Bravia TV's and they all broke with in 2 months and sony were Very Unhelpfull in getting them fixed, i had to threaten them with court before getting my money back. I now have a Sammy 1080p LCD and it p@#ses all over the Sony's for picture quality and features, sounds not so great though.

[Asuga]

Well i had 6 count them 6 Bravia TV's and they all broke with in 2 months and sony were Very Unhelpfull in getting them fixed, i had to threaten them with court before getting my money back. I now have a Sammy 1080p LCD and it p@#ses all over the Sony's for picture quality and features, sounds not so great though.

1) pix or it didnt happen
2) i had a sony F717 camera i bought off ebay, the ccd sensor died, i sent it back to sony and they claimed it was damaged beyond economical repair... and promptly sent me a DSC-R1, a camera twice the value.
3) let me guess, you own a 360, not a ps3..

the thread topic is iffy, im pretty damn sure he would have splashed about his name/position/job in an attempt to obtain this review unit, now tell me, if you worked for one company and the official magazine for the competitor asked for your products?, you can assume they would think, "umm they'll bash us for the sake of it", well whatever, magazines get rejected on review units all the time, hes simply using his position to pressue sony in to making a public statement and "giving him one to keep" out of good will, to "save their asses".

a patetic attempt to get free stuff, and fan the flames... and you have to ask yourself, how much samsung/toshiba/sharp etc are paying or providing with freebies, to have such an opinion.... frankly the accusations could be endless, theres no proof this actually happened other than "the name" of the guy involved, and theres no further information to back anything up.

And frankly, Panasonic make the best tvs.

[MasterGeek]

Can someone please give me the email of Sony's PR, I would like them to send me a Bravia unit so that I can "review" it...

[whackawookie]

1) pix or it didnt happen
2) i had a sony F717 camera i bought off ebay, the ccd sensor died, i sent it back to sony and they claimed it was damaged beyond economical repair... and promptly sent me a DSC-R1, a camera twice the value.
3) let me guess, you own a 360, not a ps3.

i bought a sony flat tube wega crt and it had a tear in the screen which was very visible on blue scenery. 6th ave exchanged it within a week. The next model died after 5 or so months. It would not power on, the power led would flash in a sequence which is a code for customer support. Sony refused to help with the repair and told me that the only thing they could offer was a sony licensed repair shop in my area that i would have to pay for. That tv never worked again. After that i bought a samsun 30in hdtv crt and its been working for 5 years in not only my posession but i gave it to my friend and its working perfect still. sonys warranty is for 30 days after that your own your own. samsung is for a year and they exchange it with absolutely no hassle

[thebox]

bravias use samsung technology dude and most lcds have samsung backlights....bravias dont come close to samsung lcds in any way shape or form. and i thank god i aint smoking the same **** as you...i suggest you go for an eye test.

You are 100% correct they all use Samsung parts to produce lcd tv's!

[Xenogears V]

Having never read the magazine, what I say is only a supposition.

I think that an Official Xbox Magazine, has the 90% of 360 fanboys, otherwise they would make critiques on Official Playstation Magazine.

Is a very complicated concept to express, above all when you have to translate it in another language.

Try to say it simple.

A 360 Fanboy doesn't even admit the reality when it is clearly clear towards the Ps3 and vice versa.

I think that in "Sony home" have thought that would be able us a bad review.

[Unr3al]

you obviously don't know shi t.. only dic ks but samsung HD,

wow senseless bashing over something that you shouldn't give a flying fvck about.

seriously grow a pair and stop bitching about other peoples purchases and preferences.

And I want proof that all people that by samsung are di cks and no absolutely sh!t

[Oner]

Which bravia's do 1080p over component? Every model I looked at when I picked up my TV last year only did 1080i over component...thats why I went with the Samsung.

My Bravia 60A3000 does as that is how I have my 360 connected (via component). I'll try to up a pic for proof.

Edit: Should have downsized it a bit more but whatever -

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9533/3601080prp4.jpg

[droideka]

My tv is black and white, and sometimes some shades of gray. Is 4:3-ish cause its round in the corners, dosent have remote. That is untill i plugged my PS3. then it turned into a bravia television.... I miss my simple life...now i have components,hdmi,dvi,vga,rgb,composite,optical,coax ial. Really i wonder how it dosent blow up...

[reefur]

I have 3 HDTVS buddy how many do you have?

sony signed an agreement with samsung i believe 3 years ago to share technology as it was losing ground to big name korean companies liek samsung/lg etc....samsung were beginning to outdo sony so they jumped on with them which was a huge leap as koreans and japanese rarely do this type of business together....

the above comment is about the lamest crap ive ever seen on a forum..youve got 3 hdtv's? i guess that automatically makes you a expert?..childish statement after childish statement because somehow you feel you owe it to sony to protect its honor because theyve gouged you with overpriced crap your whole life?...wow not hard to earn your loyalty i guess...just look at the facts moron..

as for sharing technology
http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Sony-and-Samsung-Agree-to-Share-Patents--.htm

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press_Archive/200412/04-1214E/

and the issue of sony using samsung lcd's..true and false....read here..from sony forum long long ago....
Both Samsung and Sony LCDs (as well as many other brands) use panels produced in a factory called S-LCD. Financially, this is a joint venture between Sony and Samsung (they own roughly half of the facility each). It would seem however that the panels are the end result of Samsung's research thus leading many to say a bravia is merely a overpriced samsung....and in a way you are right except that a lcd tv is more than a lcd screen...it also has a processor controlling it and the bravia's processor is a bit better than samsung's currently...

anyhow if a japanese company and a korean company can put aside hundreds of years of war..torture..rape...occupation and share/work together then cant you silly childish virgin sony/ms fanboys just stick to facts and argue maturely?......i feel really sorry for some of your parents to have such idiotic, uneducated moronic children that go fight and lie on forums over videoGAMES$!!$....pathetic really...
stick to the facts...and growTFU

[grapeape]

My Bravia 60A3000 does as that is how I have my 360 connected (via component). I'll try to up a pic for proof.

Edit: Should have downsized it a bit more but whatever -

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9533/3601080prp4.jpg

Cool, that wasnt out yet when I was shopping...but spec wise looks like thats a fantastic tv...more tv than I need (my sofa is only around 10 feet from the TV) but very nice. I just have a 43 inch HLN437W myself...does the job :)

[three15]

And frankly, Panasonic make the best tvs.

I had a Panny Plasma that i ran in for 3 weeks without been able to see much, and about a week after playing games on it, i got burning in so that went back too


3) let me guess, you own a 360, not a ps3...

I'm not starting a console war,this is about a TV, i have BOTH anyway so sorry about that.

I don't care who makes my Tele, it just needs to be good, Not all Sammys are good and not all Sony's are crap, it's personal preference and the sammys mine.


These are all the pick up sheets from argos.

:)

[Enviable27]

sony signed an agreement with samsung i believe 3 years ago to share technology as it was losing ground to big name korean companies liek samsung/lg etc....samsung were beginning to outdo sony so they jumped on with them which was a huge leap as koreans and japanese rarely do this type of business together....

the above comment is about the lamest crap ive ever seen on a forum..youve got 3 hdtv's? i guess that automatically makes you a expert?..childish statement after childish statement because somehow you feel you owe it to sony to protect its honor because theyve gouged you with overpriced crap your whole life?...wow not hard to earn your loyalty i guess...just look at the facts moron..

as for sharing technology
http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Sony-and-Samsung-Agree-to-Share-Patents--.htm

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press_Archive/200412/04-1214E/

and the issue of sony using samsung lcd's..true and false....read here..from sony forum long long ago....
Both Samsung and Sony LCDs (as well as many other brands) use panels produced in a factory called S-LCD. Financially, this is a joint venture between Sony and Samsung (they own roughly half of the facility each). It would seem however that the panels are the end result of Samsung's research thus leading many to say a bravia is merely a overpriced samsung....and in a way you are right except that a lcd tv is more than a lcd screen...it also has a processor controlling it and the bravia's processor is a bit better than samsung's currently...

anyhow if a japanese company and a korean company can put aside hundreds of years of war..torture..rape...occupation and share/work together then cant you silly childish virgin sony/ms fanboys just stick to facts and argue maturely?......i feel really sorry for some of your parents to have such idiotic, uneducated moronic children that go fight and lie on forums over videoGAMES$!!$....pathetic really...
stick to the facts...and growTFU

The only moron here is you, I never stated that Sony panels were different than Sammys, It just so happened that another idiot kept saying that Bravias suck, and Samsungs were way better. Wrong! anyways get your **** straight, and yes I do have 3 HDTVs that I did extensive research to justify my purchase, so yes I do know what the hell I am talking about. :rolleyes:

[Oner]

Cool, that wasnt out yet when I was shopping...but spec wise looks like thats a fantastic tv...more tv than I need (my sofa is only around 10 feet from the TV) but very nice. I just have a 43 inch HLN437W myself...does the job :)

Optimal viewing for my TV is in that range of 7-12 feet (if I remember correctly).

[lokii]

The only moron here is you, I never stated that Sony panels were different than Sammys, It just so happened that another idiot kept saying that Bravias suck, and Samsungs were way better. Wrong! anyways get your **** straight, and yes I do have 3 HDTVs that I did extensive research to justify my purchase, so yes I do know what the hell I am talking about. :rolleyes:


The only idiot here is you dude and your insistance on quantity over quality.
Do 3 hdtvs make you any better than the rest of us? we are talking LCD here and samsung make the best LCD panels there is upto now.
Sony bravias are good yes...but they aint good value for money and samsungs are far better clarity and have better features for the price and i dunno wtf you are talking about them being grainy, sounds to me like you are p1ssed that you made the descision to buy a sony TV in the 1st place instead of a sammy.
I suggest you forget about posting more crap in this thread and use your energy elsewere and research PROPERLY before you buy anymore crap TV's. :eek: :rolleyes:

[ShinoBboy]

bravias use samsung technology dude and most lcds have samsung backlights....bravias dont come close to samsung lcds in any way shape or form. and i thank god i aint smoking the same **** as you...i suggest you go for an eye test.

i have a samsung lcd and i am satisfied with it but i will admit that BRAVIA are so impressive. My friend had CoD4 for the 360 and it looked marvelous. I wish it was PS3 though b/c it would definitely work that TV. Bravia FTW...but they're too expensive:(

[Enviable27]

The only idiot here is you dude and your insistance on quantity over quality.
Do 3 hdtvs make you any better than the rest of us? we are talking LCD here and samsung make the best LCD panels there is upto now.
Sony bravias are good yes...but they aint good value for money and samsungs are far better clarity and have better features for the price and i dunno wtf you are talking about them being grainy, sounds to me like you are p1ssed that you made the descision to buy a sony TV in the 1st place instead of a sammy.
I suggest you forget about posting more crap in this thread and use your energy elsewere and research PROPERLY before you buy anymore crap TV's. :eek: :rolleyes:
Yeah You're right man I totally wish I had bought the same 30 inch Samsung you have, and not bought my bad ass 1080p 60" Theatre system, If only I could only trade you :( ........LOL