LOL: Microsoft's unofficial response to Sony's PS3 Diagram

[Zeus]

A while ago Sony issued a diagram which suggested how much good value the PS3 offers if you price each of the features individually. However, a drawing wizard has hit back with his own version of the diagram for the Elite and UK Resistance indicates Sony forget to cost up the following - Patience, an adaptor to play Wii and Xbox 360 games as well as Vibrating controllers.

<center><A href="http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/360prem.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/360prem1.jpg"></center></a>


We have no idea where Sony's buying its DVD player from - ASDA's got loads for 15 quid. Oh wait, it's probably buying an over-priced Sony one.

WHAT YOU WILL ALSO NEED FOR YOUR PS3:

Optional Wii adaptor to play games (RRP £1,000,000)

Optional Xbox 360 adaptor to play games months/years earlier

Vibrating controllers (expected Spring 2008)

Patience


News Source: <A href="http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2007/12/sony-explains-what-ps3-is-for.html#comments" target="_blank">UKresistance</a>

[Skyline34]

... yea that's just phail.

[HyperTech]

XBox360 doesnt read MP3 file format at all...

[WTFudge]

XBox360 doesnt read MP3 file format at all...

Erm , yeah it does :rolleyes:

[Spnoz]

A funny thing about the graphic... the games listed exactly represent the xbox 360 game library...

About 50% of titles are FPS.
About 20% are racing games.
And all other genres combined represents about 30% of all games...

:p

[acem77]

what no mention of RED RING OF DEATH and the 100dB fan. thats all part of the 360 package...;)

and........... flashable!

[MasterGeek]

LOL: Microsoft's unofficial response to Sony's PS3 Diagram
you're a f*cking idiot Zeus, there is nothing funny in the story so there is no reason to say "LOL"

[removes stains]

So according to this Live is free in the UK. WTH?

[Trashcat]

I loled@rumble

[poisonousjuice]

you're a f*cking idiot Zeus, there is nothing funny in the story so there is no reason to say "LOL"

actually the "illegal movie format" made me chuckle.

also, I'm pretty sure the "LOL" prefix to the headline is so that readers and idiotic fanboys know it's a joke and not to take it seriously and get their panties in a bunch... but obviously it has the opposite effect.

[sigma8]

The only thing that is valid in the joke is rumble.

If they are saying the Xbox360 is a good deal at £299, it's not compelling...

Plays DVD's? wow.
CD's too? amazing.
MP3's? stop, my brain is going to explode.

Oh wow, and then show a bunch of games to the left that, if they were actually included, would raise the cost to more like £800..

I understand they might be saying that everyone on the planet is only interested in playing Xbox360 games. But that's just a really stupid assertion. Plus, 33% of the games they showed can play on the PS3 without an "adapteR". CoD4, AssCreed, and Ghost Recon 2.

[Xenontc]

you're a f*cking idiot Zeus, there is nothing funny in the story so there is no reason to say "LOL"

Actually the "Games" part made me laugh.

[uzi]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f46/luvbeers7/what-a-ps3-can-do.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f46/luvbeers7/wii.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f46/luvbeers7/xbox.jpg

[Mikeyy]

Rumbles comming already, Thats not an issue anymore.

And sony didnt cut it because "its not next gen" then cut it because They owed Immersion a **** load of money in a lost lawsuit.

So what, they kissed and madeup.

[grapeape]

A funny thing about the graphic... the games listed exactly represent the xbox 360 game library...

About 50% of titles are FPS.
About 20% are racing games.
And all other genres combined represents about 30% of all games...

:p

People keep harping that but as soon as everyone points out that the 360 currently has 17 fps while the ps3 already has 12 yet less than half the library overall they tend to abandon the thead.

Oh and lets not forget that massive RPG collection on the PS3...3 and 2 of them are multiplatform.

Pathetic. I ahve all 3 but the ps3 is definately the sorriest of the bunch so far, I hope that changes, I really do...but Sony acts as if the game part of the console is 2nd or 3rd priority and I dont see things changing until they start focusing on what makes a playstation a playstation.

[felixm477]

ok someone did funny response to sony's image it would be nice if the title was changed before ppl think MS had anything to do with this. I will laugh one day when someone at MC gets a letter for slander lol

[chipxtreme]

Thats more like it :p

[Rotmm]

Rumbles comming already, Thats not an issue anymore.

And sony didnt cut it because "its not next gen" then cut it because They owed Immersion a **** load of money in a lost lawsuit.

So what, they kissed and madeup.

Are you telling me that Sony employees lied? Repeatedly? :eek:

[dennis872007]

they should have added the price of the hd-dvd add on and wi-fi and play and charge kit. also its 299 euros with all those games.

[el username]

Say what you want about the guys over at UK Resistance but goddamn those guys tell it like it is.

Anyone who is a rational thinker and not a biased tool can see that the PS3 is the worst of the 3 major consoles for gaming. It costs more for the same games you can play on the 360, except on the 360 you get rumble & achievement(s) tracking. The exclusive games that it does have that are good are few and far between.

Instead of this **** where everyone says "it will be good in a while when games come out" they need to fess up and face the truth. The PS3 has been out for over a year and it STILL sucks. In the first year of the 360 it had several revolutionary titles & successful games that for Sony & the PS3 can only dream about. It has a huge online community, it a blast to play and has the hottest games.

And look at the Wii, the same thing. It has been out a year, people love it, and a year fucking later you have to fight people to get one. It has a revolutionary input system, it fun to play, and it is affordable. Wii > PS3 any day of the week.

It's been a year and the PS3 still sucks. You can admit it freely without looking like a fanboy right? What went wrong? Sony used to be where it was at. Now it's just the company of broken dreams and failed promises.

[Raziel-chan]

Rumbles comming already, Thats not an issue anymore.

And sony didnt cut it because "its not next gen" then cut it because They owed Immersion a **** load of money in a lost lawsuit.

So what, they kissed and madeup.

But it's sold separately, so it would have to be added tro the receipt :3

And why isn't it shipped with the console? Simple - the Coriolis Effect (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/09/24) :3

cya
Raziel-chan

[Blazeking]

Say what you want about the guys over at UK Resistance but goddamn those guys tell it like it is.

Anyone who is a rational thinker and not a biased tool can see that the PS3 is the worst of the 3 major consoles for gaming {For you, I have 10 games for it}. It costs more for the same games you can play on the 360, except on the 360 you get rumble & achievement(s) tracking {XBOX360 and PS3 games are both $60}. The exclusive games that it does have that are good are few and far between. {Depending on your tastes}

Instead of this **** where everyone says "it will be good in a while when games come out" they need to fess up and face the truth {You also need to face the truth as your taste sucks}. The PS3 has been out for over a year and it STILL sucks {For You}. In the first year of the 360 it had several revolutionary titles & successful games that for Sony & the PS3 can only dream about {And PS2 had stellar games before the original XBOX and look what happened, they resorted to the XBOX 360}. It has a huge online community, it a blast to play and has the hottest games{And the PSN is small? Then why do I always find friends to add?}.

And look at the Wii, the same thing. It has been out a year, people love it, and a year fucking later you have to fight people to get one {I've been done with Nintendo since N64}. It has a revolutionary input system, it fun to play, and it is affordable{I don't like to wave stuff in the air when I'm to weak to move from being ill just to play the game. There is not enough support for the classic controller}. Wii > PS3 any day of the week {Depending and age, maturity, and taste}.

It's been a year and the PS3 still sucks {Once again, for you}. You can admit it freely without looking like a fanboy right?{Nope. Just because someone like the system they're fanboys? What if they had all three systems?} What went wrong? Sony used to be where it was at {Still is to me, I like sophisticated technology}. Now it's just the company of broken dreams and failed promises {Stay out of the rumor threads then}.

As you can see from my feedback in the brackets, speak for yourself.
When you make posts, you should always include "IMO or IMHO" (In my opinion, In my honest opinion) because you don't speak for everyone.

[jambooboo]

LOL @ 'sophisticated technology'.

[iLLNESS]

As you can see from my feedback in the brackets, speak for yourself.
When you make posts, you should always include "IMO or IMHO" (In my opinion, In my honest opinion) because you don't speak for everyone.


pretty much anyone but a ps3 fanboy will admit to the statement you quoted.

if the console scene was ANYTHING like the auto industry, ps3 woulda been scrapped after its first year.

this current gen is basically identical to what psx and the n64 went through. cept sony is on the receiving end. n64 was a great console, but it wasnt as good as the psx in terms of quality games. every game that wasnt a 1st party title was basically a port from psx to n64. the n64 version almost always sucked compared to the psx. mind you, psx was also the underdog according to specs so theoretically it should have been better right? nope. shall i keep comparing or can anyone else see the resemblance between that gen, and this gen between m$ and sony?

either way, all in all 360 is a better buy. it doesnt have a bluray, or built in wireless, or a controller with a proprietary internal battery, and it doesnt run that totally awsome OS linux out of the box cuz we all need to do that, but it has more games, better quality games, a better online service (anyone who says xbox live sucks compared to psn is a complete moron or someone with a horrible upload connection). ps3 and 360 are game consoles, and quite frankly, games on 360 are better (like %95 of them anyways).

so in conclusion, the ps3 feature list could be a mile long and the 360 with two features; the console, xbox live and the 360 is still gonna be better

[MilkyJoe]

Live works better than PSN no doubt about it, but I'd rather have the PSN the way it is right now and pay nothing than have the PSN run like Live and have to pay a subscription fee.

It's bullshit! If I've already paid for a game why should I need to pay extra just to unlock its full content?

[iLLNESS]

Live works better than PSN no doubt about it, but I'd rather have the PSN the way it is right now and pay nothing than have the PSN run like Live and have to pay a subscription fee.

It's bullshit! If I've already paid for a game why should I need to pay extra just to unlock its full content?

because it costs ALOT to maintain servers. WoW costs money, its online only, u have to pay basically the same amount as live per month, yet its sold millions and is considered one of the best pc game online. obviously something is right there.

id rather pay the PENNY an hour to play on xbl (rounded up).
once u pay for your year of live u forget about it.
that penny an hour is also judged by the full retail price of xbox live. u can get it $20 cheaper from online stores like buy.com.
buy.com xbox live is about 10 cents a day to game on one of the best online services on a console.
xbl retail is 16 cents a day

honestly, anyone who complains about that kinda price is just a poor ass. your guaranteed a year of live, with minimal downtime. 10 years from now if xbox live is still running, youll still be able to game. how long are publishers on ps3 gonna be running their servers for once their online activity drops to nothing.

[grapeape]

I dont think the ps3 is without merit, otherwise I'd feel stupid for getting one, but I do think there a issues that need to addressed. The denial, constant attacks on any other console and the inherent need to completely overlook or excuse any flaws in exclusives by the usual cast of fanboys are getting rather pathetic.

Hopefully in the coming year most of the weaknesses will be addressed but gaming needs to be Sony's focus and so far I feel like the trojan horse theories are based in truth. Sony seems desperate to win the HD and settop wars but they only ones they are really competing against are consumers who dont care and dont want it. Media Center, MacTV, Sage, Snapstream and a myriad of others havent managed to make a dent (yes I know a few handfuls of geeks run them, I have a MCE PC myself, but 1 out of 10,000 people doesnt make for much of a market) so Sony is trying to backdoor it through their legion of loyal gamers. Sony wants it bad and I understand that but I feel like gamers are just being used.

Its almost a bait and switch, I waited a year so I cant complain I knew what I was getting into but for people that bought it at launch I am totally amazed and kind of perplexed at their patience and loyalty. I'd like to see their priorities go back to gamers and give developers better tools, spent time on new IP and work to improve the quality of 3rd party titles instead of wasting time trying to convince people holding out for games worth playing that throwing in alot of crap that they dont want is a bargain.

[Xenontc]

A funny thing about the graphic... the games listed exactly represent the xbox 360 game library...

About 50% of titles are FPS.
About 20% are racing games.
And all other genres combined represents about 30% of all games...

:p

Okay, we still have the BEST FPS, BEST racing, BEST RPG, BEST flight, BEST strategy, BEST fighting, BEST music game, and BEST sports games. So I guess because the Xbox 360 is lacking a platformer, it makes the game selection mediocre and weak.

[iLLNESS]

Its almost a bait and switch, I waited a year so I cant complain I knew what I was getting into but for people that bought it at launch I am totally amazed and kind of perplexed at their patience and loyalty.

it doesnt amaze me really. what does amaze me is that the people who have been waiting so long and sticking up for the ps3 saying how awsome it WILL be, actually trust sony for the future. sony obviously doesnt give two shits about the people who bought their trojan horse why should they give two shits about whether the ps3 succeeds.

[FYM]

Wii-eak article! :p

[el username]

As you can see from my feedback in the brackets, speak for yourself.
When you make posts, you should always include "IMO or IMHO" (In my opinion, In my honest opinion) because you don't speak for everyone.

Well if you read the beginning of the post I clearly stated that anyone who is a rational thinker and not a biased tool could see the truth. I think that by saying that you can't that it is clear that post was not for you.

[Pyrii]

because it costs ALOT to maintain servers. WoW costs money, its online only, u have to pay basically the same amount as live per month, yet its sold millions and is considered one of the best pc game online. obviously something is right there.

Actually, it costs MORE.

Over here, WoW is £8.99-£7.69 a month (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/faq/general.html), and I could buy a 12 month XBL Gold Card for £34.98 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000B5KMSE?ie=UTF8&tag=pixedrag-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B000B5KMSE)

£8.99 * 12 = £107.88
£7.69 * 12 = £92.28

So... costs the same as XBL Gold eh? XBL lets you play ALL your online games, not just one game either.

Oh, and...
VGCats - A Debate for all ages (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=142)

*undoes his belt and looks around*

[N1GHTRA1N]

A funny thing about the graphic... the games listed exactly represent the xbox 360 game library...

About 50% of titles are FPS.
About 20% are racing games.
And all other genres combined represents about 30% of all games...

:p

Only 3 games are FPS (Halo 3, Bioshock, and COD4) thats 33%, your math sucks.

22% are racing games, 2 in total (Forza 2 and Project Gotham 4)

1 RPG, Mass Effect
1 Simulator, Ace Combat 6
2 3rd person action games (GRAW2 and Assains Creed)

[jayque]

The "Elite" comes with ALL THAT for only 300$ ?





















**i better put that im joking down here**

[snipersnake]

i am not suprised if Maxconsole finds themselves in court for these kinds of article.

[sigma8]

After seeing the original PS3 one, I feel some of my criticism of the Xbox360 one was harsh. Not wrong, well.. actually.. Not wrong at all. Or even harsh. It's just that I wasn't comparably harsh to the PS3 one, which except for the blu-ray feature is also 100% stupidity.

The Wii one is funny (the ebay part).

[t0ywizard]

Just look at the game of the year for 2007. There are NO PS3 titles listed Except for the best PS3 title. LOL!

PS3 is a Joke, it is just an expensive dvd player with added gaming as an extra feature. You sony fans are just denying this because you paid a $hit Load of Cash$ for a piece of garbage and don't want to regret it.

Sell your PS3 and get a WII or a 360!

[NakedFaerie]

Where did they get those prices? RipOffsAreUs?

In Aus the PS3 costs $699

A MP3 Player = $29
A DVD Player = $39
A CD Player = $19
BlueRay = Who wants a blue ray anyway? I'm getting a HD-DVD Player.

Total = $87

I'd rather buy them all seperately and buy heaps of CDs/DVDs/ and convert to MP3s.

The PS3 is the only console I wont get. Its as unstable as the 360 and without backwards compatibality there is no reason to get rid of my PS2.

They also say the PS3 has internet access. So does the PC. So does the WII. So does the DS. The PSP does but they are $ony so I wont bother mentioning it here.

[NakedFaerie]

Oh, comparing the PS3 pic to a Xbox360...

CD player - PS3 , 360
DVD Player - PS3 , 360
MP3 Player - PS3 , 360
High Def Gaming - PS3 , 360
Nextgen movies - PS3(BR) , 360(HD)
Wireless cont - PS3(Motion) , 360(Shock)
Store/view Video - PS3 , 360
Store/View Photos - PS3 , 360(external storage)
PSP connect - PS3 , 360(MP3,Video,Photo vis USB)
Internet - PS3 , 360(Media center addon)

So, that pic dont give anything good except Internet which we all have anyway and who really browses the net on the PS3? I got it on the Wii and never use it. I browse on the PC like the rest of the world.

[Skyline34]

Oh, comparing the PS3 pic to a Xbox360...

CD player - PS3 , 360
DVD Player - PS3 , 360
MP3 Player - PS3 , 360
High Def Gaming - PS3 , 360 (Only after realising the PS3 had HDMI for true 1080p definition)
Nextgen movies - PS3(BR) , 360(HD) (Losing the war)
Wireless cont - PS3(Motion) , 360(Shock) (w/ 2x cheap AA batteries... it's not the fricking 90's!)
Store/view Video - PS3 , 360
Store/View Photos - PS3 , 360(external storage) (Exactly)
PSP connect - PS3 , 360(MP3,Video,Photo vis USB) (Not proper connectivity)
Internet - PS3 , 360(Media center addon) (Exactly)

Fixed-a-mundo.

[Pyrii]

Fixed-a-mundo.

*whips his belt at you*

[Aeond]

it doesnt amaze me really. what does amaze me is that the people who have been waiting so long and sticking up for the ps3 saying how awsome it WILL be, actually trust sony for the future. sony obviously doesnt give two shits about the people who bought their trojan horse why should they give two shits about whether the ps3 succeeds.

as if micro$oft would give a ****. stop riding m$'s d!ck

[Spnoz]

Okay, we still have the BEST FPS, BEST racing, BEST RPG, BEST flight, BEST strategy, BEST fighting, BEST music game, and BEST sports games. So I guess because the Xbox 360 is lacking a platformer, it makes the game selection mediocre and weak.

Hey, I'm on your side pal. I like my 360 very much. I'm just pointing out that it lacks a bit of variety in its game selection. But I won't go the road of the fanboy and call it has the best games in every category though.

But for the sake of it, let's argue a bit. ;)

Best FPS, on the console front, yes. But still, PC takes the crown here.
Best Racing... that is debatable, depending on your tastes.
Best RPG... hmmm, I would say the PS2 is still WAY better on that front.
Best flight. Huh? Granted Ace Combat is very cool, but huh... that's only 1 game.
Best Strategy. PC is way better. I admit the 360 is great on the console front too.
Best Fighting. DOA and VF. Fun, but hey, I can't go and say it has the best fighting games because of only TWO GAMES that happen to represent 100% of it's fighting library... That would be so fanboyish...
Best music games. Since every major music game on the 360 is also available on other platforms, I fail to understand this point.
Best sports games. That, I agree.

But overall, it all depends on your tastes in games. Saying something has the best of everything, is usually in the realms of fanboys.

There are fun games on the 360 (that's why I have one), and there are fun games on the PS3, and the Wii also. Maybe less or more, depending on your tastes. The important thing is that you enjoy the games you have. If you do, then who cares if it's the "BEST" or not. We shouldn't give a flying f*ck about these stupid innane and childish comparisons between systems.

I love my 360, and I'm getting a Wii this christmas, and will eventually buy a PS3 too.

Because you enjoy the game you have, doesn't mean they're the BEST. If you enjoy them, that's the only thing you should care about. We should all enjoy what we have, and stop throwing rocks at other who don't necessarily agree with us... That is usually the behavior of 6 year old kids...

[grapeape]

Hey, I'm on your side pal. I like my 360 very much. I'm just pointing out that it lacks a bit of variety in its game selection. But I won't go the road of the fanboy and call it has the best games in every category though.

But for the sake of it, let's argue a bit. ;)

Best FPS, on the console front, yes. But still, PC takes the crown here.
Best Racing... that is debatable, depending on your tastes.
Best RPG... hmmm, I would say the PS2 is still WAY better on that front.
Best flight. Huh? Granted Ace Combat is very cool, but huh... that's only 1 game.
Best Strategy. PC is way better. I admit the 360 is great on the console front too.
Best Fighting. DOA and VF. Fun, but hey, I can't go and say it has the best fighting games because of only TWO GAMES that happen to represent 100% of it's fighting library... That would be so fanboyish...
Best music games. Since every major music game on the 360 is also available on other platforms, I fail to understand this point.
Best sports games. That, I agree.

But overall, it all depends on your tastes in games. Saying something has the best of everything, is usually in the realms of fanboys.

There are fun games on the 360 (that's why I have one), and there are fun games on the PS3, and the Wii also. Maybe less or more, depending on your tastes. The important thing is that you enjoy the games you have. If you do, then who cares if it's the "BEST" or not. We shouldn't give a flying f*ck about these stupid innane and childish comparisons between systems.

I love my 360, and I'm getting a Wii this christmas, and will eventually buy a PS3 too.

Because you enjoy the game you have, doesn't mean they're the BEST. If you enjoy them, that's the only thing you should care about. We should all enjoy what we have, and stop throwing rocks at other who don't necessarily agree with us... That is usually the behavior of 6 year old kids...

Alot of the missing genre arguments are just generalizations that are usually spouted by fanboys with no basis in fact. There was a chart someone in here posted a while back that broke them all down by category the 360 ended up actually being the most diverse of the current gen.

Best FPS, on the console front, yes. But still, PC takes the crown here.

But we are talking about the current generation of consoles...

Best Racing... that is debatable, depending on your tastes.

Thats true

Best RPG... hmmm, I would say the PS2 is still WAY better on that front.

But thats last generation if we are talking all time my favorites were on the PS1 and DC. Currently the 360 has 12 rpgs while the ps3 has 3 and only 1 of those is exclusive.

Best flight. Huh? Granted Ace Combat is very cool, but huh... that's only 1 game.

Ah well there is also Blazing Angels, Blazing Angels 2, OverG Fighters. I'd actually give this nod to the PS3, Ace Combat is more deep and a "better" game but Warhawk is more fun. Of course if your playing alone its also completely worthless :) so I guess its a draw.

Best Strategy. PC is way better. I admit the 360 is great on the console front too.

Again though we are talking consoles...I know some people like PC gaming but this is a console site the majority couldnt care less about what is on the PC.

Best Fighting. DOA and VF. Fun, but hey, I can't go and say it has the best fighting games because of only TWO GAMES that happen to represent
100% of it's fighting library... That would be so fanboyish...

You forgot Def Jam Icon and a slew of arcade fighters on Live like ultimate mortal combat and Street Fighter 2 Hyper Fighting...of course the 360 also has the worst fighters as well like Kengo or Wartech.

Best music games. Since every major music game on the 360 is also available on other platforms, I fail to understand this point.

I dont get this either...if anything I'd say this is a wash with all 3. The ps3 is getting Singstar but the 360 is getting an HD version of Rez. :)

Best sports games. That, I agree.

No argument there

[Spnoz]

Alot of the missing genre arguments are just generalizations that are usually spouted by fanboys with no basis in fact. There was a chart someone in here posted a while back that broke them all down by category the 360 ended up actually being the most diverse of the current gen.

Maybe. But the impression I get though, is different. Maybe because the biggest sellers are mostly shooters. Don't get me wrong, I love my 360, but sometimes, going into gamestores, I always end up seeing mostly shooters, sports games and racing games, with the occasionnal "oddball" like an RPG or a non-shooter action game. I like shooters like anybody out there, when they're properly done, but I would like game developpers to sometime try to bank on something else than an fps because it's a "safer bet".

I know this is not based on facts. It's only based on my own perception when I go into gamestores. I know the 360 library is pretty diverse, but there are genres that are still undercrowded, and some other genres where there isn't a lot of very good games. For example, if we take the fighting genre, it's pretty much DOA and VF. Def Jam Icon isn't what I call a very good title (although somewhat interesting) and what's on LIVE is past-gens stuff so I don't really count those. So for a system that's been out since about 2 years, that is a bit of a letdown to me. I just hope more fighters will flesh out the game library, eventually.

But anyway, I think Live Arcade has more different genres of games available than what we can actually buy in store. There are some very good puzzle games in there, as well as good quirky little action games and some strategy games as well. If you take all retail games sold + all of what's available on LIVE arcade, the 360 has one of the most diverse game library of the next-gen consoles, I agree.

But it is still a far cry from what we had to play with last gen. I still remember times when we would be asking ourselves how we could afford all those good games comming out this month. And this, many times a year. Now, it seems this happens less frequently, and we seem to live more in the waiting of a couple of games releases over the course of a year... But that may be only me though...

Maybe because of the higher development costs nowadays, less big games are made, and less risks are taken (I'm not talking about LIVE arcade games here).

I won't say the 360 has no good games, in fact, I bought one over a PS3 because there was more games that interested me on the 360. I'm just saying that I think there could be more good games in other categories as well. I don't say the 360 library isn't varied, it's just a bit disproportionate, in my opinion, with some genres only having 1 or 2 good game worth buying in it... while there aren't a lack of quality shooters or sports game worth buying...

[Asusboy]

Xbox Live FREE on elite version of xbox 360 at package price :eek: Since when lol
I like to get that package for £299 with the FREE Live and all those games

[droideka]

Xbox Live FREE on elite version of xbox 360 at package price :eek: Since when lol
I like to get that package for £299 with the FREE Live and all those games

Its called silver account...

[dennis872007]

Its called silver account...

what about all those games. they come free with the 360. lol

[droideka]

what about all those games. they come free with the 360. lol

its called ixtreme...

[grapeape]

Maybe. But the impression I get though, is different. Maybe because the biggest sellers are mostly shooters. Don't get me wrong, I love my 360, but sometimes, going into gamestores, I always end up seeing mostly shooters, sports games and racing games, with the occasionnal "oddball" like an RPG or a non-shooter action game. I like shooters like anybody out there, when they're properly done, but I would like game developpers to sometime try to bank on something else than an fps because it's a "safer bet".

I know this is not based on facts. It's only based on my own perception when I go into gamestores. I know the 360 library is pretty diverse, but there are genres that are still undercrowded, and some other genres where there isn't a lot of very good games. For example, if we take the fighting genre, it's pretty much DOA and VF. Def Jam Icon isn't what I call a very good title (although somewhat interesting) and what's on LIVE is past-gens stuff so I don't really count those. So for a system that's been out since about 2 years, that is a bit of a letdown to me. I just hope more fighters will flesh out the game library, eventually.

But anyway, I think Live Arcade has more different genres of games available than what we can actually buy in store. There are some very good puzzle games in there, as well as good quirky little action games and some strategy games as well. If you take all retail games sold + all of what's available on LIVE arcade, the 360 has one of the most diverse game library of the next-gen consoles, I agree.

But it is still a far cry from what we had to play with last gen. I still remember times when we would be asking ourselves how we could afford all those good games comming out this month. And this, many times a year. Now, it seems this happens less frequently, and we seem to live more in the waiting of a couple of games releases over the course of a year... But that may be only me though...

Maybe because of the higher development costs nowadays, less big games are made, and less risks are taken (I'm not talking about LIVE arcade games here).

I won't say the 360 has no good games, in fact, I bought one over a PS3 because there was more games that interested me on the 360. I'm just saying that I think there could be more good games in other categories as well. I don't say the 360 library isn't varied, it's just a bit disproportionate, in my opinion, with some genres only having 1 or 2 good game worth buying in it... while there aren't a lack of quality shooters or sports game worth buying...

I can see your point about some genres, fighters is the area I would be least adept at judging because its the one genre I just flat out dont like, at least not the 3d ones, I love some old school SF2 though :) Alot of the generes do have a lack of titles, RTS for instance but there are great ones around the corner, like World in Conflict, Universe at War, Tom Clancy's Endwar and of course Halo Wars. Even platformers are getting some love...N+ looks fun and Banjo is coming. I wouldnt dismiss live games either some are actually great...for such a small size games like Catan and Carcassonne are fantastic for fans of the avalon hill syle strategy board games. Talisman is coming soon too...for both the ps3 and 360 and should be fantastic.

I do think that titles are a bit slower this time around probably due as you stated to developmet time. Maybe im just a game whore or just have more disposable income now but I have picked up more titles on the 360 for the time span that its been out than any other console I have ever owned (I have 38 boxed ones so far and 12 live games). I've bought a few that I didnt end up caring for enough to keep (project 8 and stranglehold come to mind) but the majority I feel have given me my moneys worth.