Nintendo: Xbox/Playstation have put themselves in a box they can't get out of

[Zeus]

Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime has commented that their 'competitors' Microsoft and Playstation have gone down the path of building expensive hardware of which they lose money on and these machines make games development hard. Fils-Aime claims they have put themselves in a box and he doesn't know how they are going to get out of it...


The challenge that our competitors have is significant. They've gone down the path with building expensive machines that they lose money on. They've gone down the path with games that are hard to develop," Fils-Aime said in response to a question from an audience member.

"They've put themselves in a box. I don't know how they're going to get out of it," he continued.


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[satel]

reggie is asshole he will never understand ,great graphics,high specs & real games its what the hardcore gamers want they dont want to play mario's mini games on last gen powered console.

PS3 will shut u up u fukin retard.:rolleyes:

[Desolationstorm]

reggie is asshole he will never understand ,great graphics,high specs & real games its what the hardcore gamers want they dont want to play mario's mini games on last gen powered console.

PS3 will shut u up u fukin retard.:rolleyes:

Im only commenting because I just came from 3 threads one where you bashed the 360, one where you sucked the ps3 D1ck and this one where you bash the wii. Like Do you have to be a fanboy like that? Your not debateing your just being an assh0le.

Your completely missing the point. Hes talking about how the industry has gotten so much more of a risk this generation with development costs skyrocketing and Microsoft and sony losing tons of money on selling their systems. THere are a lot of risks and you wont see some people taking risks with games as much this generation. It also excludes some small developers since they dont have the money to put into making a game they would like to make.

[tralalawala]

great graphics,high specs & real games its what the hardcore gamers want

No, hardcore gamers want games. Good games. They don't care about specs or gfx (thats nerd territory), they just want good games. on the wii, on the ps3 or on the wii. It doesn't matter.

Sad little children are the only people that care about anything else and "mine is better than yours".

[JonathanD]

Im only commenting because I just came from 3 threads one where you bashed the 360, one where you sucked the ps3 D1ck and this one where you bash the wii. Like Do you have to be a fanboy like that? Your not debateing your just being an assh0le.

Your completely missing the point. Hes talking about how the industry has gotten so much more of a risk this generation with development costs skyrocketing and Microsoft and sony losing tons of money on selling their systems. THere are a lot of risks and you wont see some people taking risks with games as much this generation. It also excludes some small developers since they dont have the money to put into making a game they would like to make.

I have to agree that Sony and Microsoft may have painted them selves into a corner to some extent. This gen ok MS will turn a profit, Sony with its billion dollar losses may not ever make a penny selling the PS3 (they may make money in the long run but for the time being it does not look so good) Nintendo is in a position Sony and Microsoft would love to be. Think about it so far Nintendo has been effectively sold out for about a year, they are selling at a profit, they are currently #1 in sales.

Thats this generation.... what about the next one ? Nintendo can easily make a Wii 2 with HD (at that time HD TV's will be cheaper and more people will have them) its a great upgrade ? PS4 will have some new Wiimote type controller ? with BC ? Will it be just a faster PS3 with added motion controls ala the Wii ? I mean why not, it has worked for Nintendo. The next generation should be pretty intense as well. I can't see Sony or Microsoft spending more money on the hardware so I would not look for as much of a jump in terms of power from this gen.

[jericko]

I am sick of all the fanboy ****. No one has painted themselves in the corner, and this Gen of consoles rocks! I own a Wii and a 360 (and someday I will pick up a PS3). All are GREAT consoles, but they are aimed at difference demographics.

The Wii and the 360 offer such a different gaming experience, but neither one offers a better gaming experience. Plus, if we just had ONE console, and no competition, the consumer would be the one to take it in the pants. So if you are a fan boy of any system, be glad there is competition to keep your console competitive.

[Desolationstorm]

I have to agree that Sony and Microsoft may have painted them selves into a corner to some extent. This gen ok MS will turn a profit, Sony with its billion dollar losses may not ever make a penny selling the PS3 (they may make money in the long run but for the time being it does not look so good) Nintendo is in a position Sony and Microsoft would love to be. Think about it so far Nintendo has been effectively sold out for about a year, they are selling at a profit, they are currently #1 in sales.

Thats this generation.... what about the next one ? Nintendo can easily make a Wii 2 with HD (at that time HD TV's will be cheaper and more people will have them) its a great upgrade ? PS4 will have some new Wiimote type controller ? with BC ? Will it be just a faster PS3 with added motion controls ala the Wii ? I mean why not, it has worked for Nintendo. The next generation should be pretty intense as well. I can't see Sony or Microsoft spending more money on the hardware so I would not look for as much of a jump in terms of power from this gen.

It would be a funny day if Sony released a ps4 which was an upgraded ps3 with whatver they deciede to do to make that next leap. Though fanboys wouldnt complain.

Its funny when I talk to people about games some of my friends are like the wii is terrible it has terrible graphics I couldnt play it. My one friend even said that as he was waiting to try SMG then said he was enjoying it a lot. If graphics are such a big thing how do some people play their old games. I never mind graphics I admire beauty its nice to have I will drop my jaw(CoD4) when i see something with outstanding graphics just like I will be astounded when a game just has me hooked because the gameplay is so good.

I cant wait for SMG well of course I can but I dont want to.

[pezjono]

Im only commenting because I just came from 3 threads one where you bashed the 360, one where you sucked the ps3 D1ck and this one where you bash the wii. Like Do you have to be a fanboy like that? Your not debateing your just being an assh0le.

Your completely missing the point. Hes talking about how the industry has gotten so much more of a risk this generation with development costs skyrocketing and Microsoft and sony losing tons of money on selling their systems. THere are a lot of risks and you wont see some people taking risks with games as much this generation. It also excludes some small developers since they dont have the money to put into making a game they would like to make.

Really great post. But it is all in vein towards Satel.
There is no way Satel will learn anything from a post unless it's 100% beneficial for the PS3, or bad news for anything else.

[MadonnaProject]

the ps3 and xbox360 are the ONLY consoles which have ACTUALLY tried to ADVANCE from the technology people had before. nintendo claims they have been innovative but its not true. people who know something know thats a completely false claim.

nintendo has come out with a console which is the same architecture as the gamecube, same hardware same everything, only overclocked. the graphics chip is the same too for all purposes. and they added a controller to it which they were going to add to the gamecube in 2002.

[JonathanD]

I am sick of all the fanboy ****. No one has painted themselves in the corner, and this Gen of consoles rocks! I own a Wii and a 360 (and someday I will pick up a PS3). All are GREAT consoles, but they are aimed at difference demographics.

The Wii and the 360 offer such a different gaming experience, but neither one offers a better gaming experience. Plus, if we just had ONE console, and no competition, the consumer would be the one to take it in the pants. So if you are a fan boy of any system, be glad there is competition to keep your console competitive.


When I said painted into a corner I was not saying any console was better then the next (I think all three are great in different ways) so please hold the side of "fanboy" I just was making an observation and a few questions about the future. You do know there will be a "next gen" right ?

I am not a fan of any system except perhaps the PC, but I use it for so many things besides games :)

[RiPPn]

If anyone has painted themselves in a corner it's Nintendo, they have more consoles out there than Microsoft or Sony, but they can't sell any software that isn't a Nintendo IP. The Wii network is abysmal, and no internal storage planned which means the new original games they are planning for the Wii store will not do to well.

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=22282

The Wiimote is about as accurate as a blind man throwing a baseball. They are still using shady business tactics which is why they have not meet the demand.

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=22518

They wont make a price cut because they can't meet demand which is a problem they themselves are creating but they feel the customer should pay for this strategy.

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=22246

There was also an article about how Nintendo wont allow 3rd party publishers to release games during their first party releases, but I was unable to locate that article for a link.

Don't get me wrong the games that are good, are good, I personally own:

Super Paper Mario
Metroid Prime 3
Zelda
WarioWare
Zak and Wiki
Mario Galaxy (per-ordered)

All but Zak and Wiki are 1st party IP, none have network play so once they are beat they gather dust, much like my Wii has since I got it on launch. It gets dusted off to play a premium title for about a week then the dust collecting begins again.

[Desolationstorm]

the ps3 and xbox360 are the ONLY consoles which have ACTUALLY tried to ADVANCE from the technology people had before. nintendo claims they have been innovative but its not true. people who know something know thats a completely false claim.

nintendo has come out with a console which is the same architecture as the gamecube, same hardware same everything, only overclocked. the graphics chip is the same too for all purposes. and they added a controller to it which they were going to add to the gamecube in 2002.

They advanced the hardware Nintendo advanced the industry.

Advancing technology comes in many differnt forms. You have a very narrow view of advancement if you base it purely on hardware such as graphical capability.

Microsoft and Sony didnt innovate they progressed forward in the same fashion that has been done every generation(to some extent). To me it feels the same as a computer. Your input stays fairly close to the same thing but the hardware is upgraded. PS3 remote besides tilt remote is almost the same as the ps2 and the ps1(duelshock) the 360 is very close to the typeS. I love the wireless but thats just a progression.

oh wireless, harddrive, BC are not advancements they have been done. Dont get me wrong the hardware in those systems are advance but its the same as how the hardware in ps2 was more advanced then the ps1 normal progression.

Nintendo tried to shake things up and did innovate yes they didnt increase the hardware to much but its not like its horrible you will see some great looking games come out for the wii.

IMO down the road the wii for its ideas and what it brought to the table will have a bigger impact on the industry then the 360 or PS3. Sony and Microsoft will very likely take a step in a differnt direction next generation.

Dont get me wrong I love a lot of the things that each system is doing, but Im more excited how the next generation will be handled in response to nintendo then anything else. Anyone that doesnt beleive something big will happen next generation is narrow minded. Do you really think Msoft and sony will release beefer systems, how much more can they accomplish that isnt already done now.

[RiPPn]

Nintendo's less than accurate Wii-mote, and numb chuck (sold separately) did innovate game control, but where Nintendo has innovated they are also very counter productive and even holding back in all other areas including, mass storage, network and graphics.

Microsoft brought us XBOX Live and an internal Hard Drive which are much more useful than the gimmicky Wii-Wand.

Sony has always been the copystation and they are trying to take the innovations from both Microsoft and Nintendo, unfortunately this means they get to play catch up this entire generation.

[grapeape]

I guess its nice to see Nintentdo back in a position where they are respected again...but the arrogance is quickly approaching the SNES which is going to end up pissing off developers.

I like all the consoles this generation (yes even the ps3, I will get one eventually the tech is awesome just waiting on stuff I want to play), each is different and each has its strengths and weaknesses.

That said, I do think Nintendo is going to find themselves behind the 8ball next time around. Arrogance leads to complacency (which imho is the biggest problem with Sony they assumed "if you build it they will come") they already took alot of shortcuts and face it if it werent for the wiimote no one would own one. They are rediculously behind on online gaming, which IMHO hurts them more than graphics or any other "weakness". The lack of any keeps mine stuck to the tv in my den rather than the big screen in the living room, because it looks terrible on a large screen. I do think the graphics are quite acceptable on a regular console tv though. They started out right being cooperative with 3rd parties and all but begging for their attention but now that they have it more and more reports are coming in about dealing with them again. No storage is also a limiting factor which will hopefully be addressed net time around.

I also think the jury is still out on the percentage of people catching on to a fad and those that are truly interested in the console. IMHO the second year will be the proving time for the Wii. Stronger 3rd party sales will be a big indicator. GH3 is a telling example of things so far...it sold less than 300,000 copies yet hardware wise is in first place??

[Desolationstorm]

Nintendo's less than accurate Wii-mote, and numb chuck (sold separately) did innovate game control, but where Nintendo has innovated they are also very counter productive and even holding back in all other areas including, mass storage, network and graphics.

Microsoft brought us XBOX Live and an internal Hard Drive which are much more useful than the gimmicky Wii-Wand.

Sony has always been the copystation and they are trying to take the innovations from both Microsoft and Nintendo, unfortunately this means they get to play catch up this entire generation.

Microsoft already had live and a harddrive with the xbox. Dont get me wrong last generation they innovated the hell out of the industry. Ill fully agree with anyone that nintendo needs to get its act together with a good online plan their plan wouldnt have been bad last generation but this one its a little behind. Though I feel they will always be behind in this area.

Grapeabe is correct this is the year to really see what nintendo is gonna do. Some 3rd parties are actually giving them good support and creating good games if they can sell then things will be real good for nintendo. I love smash and am looking forward to it but there are not really 3rd party titles that i am dying for like I am on the other systems.

As fas as guitarhero I assume a lot of those wii owners have it for another system or dont care about it. But 300,000 isnt bad guitar hero has always been a ongoing seller. I suprised nintendo didnt promote it more its not their game but fits perfectly with their system. Its simple for people to grasp the idea of the game.

[RiPPn]

I guess its nice to see Nintentdo back in a position where they are respected again...but the arrogance is quickly approaching the SNES which is going to end up pissing off developers.

I like all the consoles this generation (yes even the ps3, I will get one eventually the tech is awesome just waiting on stuff I want to play), each is different and each has its strengths and weaknesses.

That said, I do think Nintendo is going to find themselves behind the 8ball next time around. Arrogance leads to complacency (which imho is the biggest problem with Sony they assumed "if you build it they will come") they already took alot of shortcuts and face it if it werent for the wiimote no one would own one. They are rediculously behind on online gaming, which IMHO hurts them more than graphics or any other "weakness". The lack of any keeps mine stuck to the tv in my den rather than the big screen in the living room, because it looks terrible on a large screen. I do think the graphics are quite acceptable on a regular console tv though. They started out right being cooperative with 3rd parties and all but begging for their attention but now that they have it more and more reports are coming in about dealing with them again. No storage is also a limiting factor which will hopefully be addressed net time around.

I also think the jury is still out on the percentage of people catching on to a fad and those that are truly interested in the console. IMHO the second year will be the proving time for the Wii. Stronger 3rd party sales will be a big indicator. GH3 is a telling example of things so far...it sold less than 300,000 copies yet hardware wise is in first place??

Brilliant post!

Speaking of Guitar Hero 3, seems like the Wii and PS2 versions aren't selling well cause at several stores I have been to the last couple days, Target, Best Buy, Circuit City, The 360 and PS3 versions are entirely sold out, there are stacks and stacks of PS2 and Wii versions, another interesting fact about the Wii selling so few is that it also retails 10$ cheaper, meaning people were willing to pay a premium to buy it on another system. Maybe online play and downloadable content are huge selling points, I know that's why I wanted it for the 360.

[re4de2ye0]

I was lucky enough to find a Wii right around the 4th of July I had it for about three months and sold it for a profit. Because honestly after the novelty wore off it never got turned back on. We had two 360s in the house and they got played constantly while the Wii just sat there. The games are what matter, not hardware pricing and the like. I will pay a premium for hardware if I know it is going to be awesome. The 360 and PS3 have mind-blowing graphics and games involving great story lines and lengthy gameplay. The Wii has mini-games and its tried and true Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc. After that what do I have to look forward to besides Smash Brothers? Everything else is coming out on 360 or PS3 and while I don't own a PS3 I will get one soon enough, because I like the idea of Blu-ray and I think Resistance is a pretty sweet game! So I will have two HI-DEF pieces of equipment, that together cost me well over $1000 with games, because they have more to offer. The Wii was fun for a bit, but once the novelty wore off, it had nothing to bring me back.

[{{909}}]

I've just had a GREAT idea, In every wii news topic, totally ignore the actual content and continue to mumble on about how inaccurate the remote is and how the wii is an overclocked gamecube, just like every moron has been saying for the last 12 months.

Reggie is correct, For MS and Sony to make a successor to their current generation, its going to cost them even more money that it did this gen, something that Sony aren't looking to recoup for years.

Theres also the issue that graphics are eventually going to hit a cieling, theres no bump in resolution possible next gen and its looking very unlikely that anything more than a handful of devs can push the PS3 and 360 (to a lesser extent) to their limits, either because they just don't have the talent, or they just cant afford the development costs/time.

Nintendo are going to be in a very good position next gen, if they produce a machine with just xbox360 graphics, its not going to look much different to the next gen that Sony and MS will be trying to convince you is so much better even if you cant see it. On top of that, yet again the Nintendo machine will be the cheapest and most probably sold at profit, aswell as having the success of the Wii as a 'starting block'.

Oh, sorry, lolz RRoD, Bluray isnt needed for games..etc..

[JJXB]

hmm.... this comment coming from someone whose console contains party games or stupid gimmick games (big brain academy anyone?) as the majority of the games that populate the console. not exactly tempting for hardcore gamers who are after decent rpg's and decent shooting games that also have great online gameplay, is it?

the ps3 has no games at all though so the wii has one up on the ps3 there. the 360 has some decent games on it though so i think any hardcore gamer is more likely to go for buying a ps2 for rpg's and a 360 for the rest of their needs. this is just my opinion though.

[NewBeginning]

All this talk about hating fanboys is very hypocritical. Regie Fils-Aime has got to be one of the biggest fanboys there is, and some of you repeatedly jump all over his ****.

[RiPPn]

I've just had a GREAT idea, In every wii news topic, totally ignore the actual content and continue to mumble on about how inaccurate the remote is and how the wii is an overclocked gamecube, just like every moron has been saying for the last 12 months.

Reggie is correct, For MS and Sony to make a successor to their current generation, its going to cost them even more money that it did this gen, something that Sony aren't looking to recoup for years.

Theres also the issue that graphics are eventually going to hit a cieling, theres no bump in resolution possible next gen and its looking very unlikely that anything more than a handful of devs can push the PS3 and 360 (to a lesser extent) to their limits, either because they just don't have the talent, or they just cant afford the development costs/time.

Nintendo are going to be in a very good position next gen, if they produce a machine with just xbox360 graphics, its not going to look much different to the next gen that Sony and MS will be trying to convince you is so much better even if you cant see it. On top of that, yet again the Nintendo machine will be the cheapest and most probably sold at profit, aswell as having the success of the Wii as a 'starting block'.

Oh, sorry, lolz RRoD, Bluray isnt needed for games..etc..

Yeah Nintendo was brilliant in the fact they made a perceivably budget machine that required little to no R&D, they excluded everything that is this generations gaming (online play, downloadable content, built in storage, high-def graphics) and extras (blu-ray, hd-dvd, dvd), and they've intentionally kept supply down in order to keep the "sold out" status, but hey they have an inaccurate motion sensing wand that is about as well utilized as the second screen on the DS, which is about 1 in 20 games actually utilize it correctly. And when I say perceived budget machine, after you buy a nunchuck which is required by several games, your at nearly the cost of a 360. Oh almost forgot to mention the incredibly over priced Virtual Console.

Well at least next generation we can expect Nintendo to add internal storage and maybe bump the graphics up, but the mind set of Nintendo and online gaming leaves a grim chance of any real multi-player, or maybe they will introduce a VR Helmet ala the Virtual Boy, not to mention Nintendo will not lure people in so easily with the "fad" as they did this time as everyone has already seen it. Anyway, Nintendo will have it tough next generation as Sony and Microsoft will likely have their own versions of motion sensing on top of that a robust online service continued media integration, you may not see quite the bump in power but it will still be there. But who knows, Microsoft would own this generation if it was for the RRoD, and they still have a chance to make right on that.

[JonathanD]

And when I say perceived budget machine, after you buy a nunchuck which is required by several games, your at nearly the cost of a 360.



You do know it comes with one in the box right ? (talking about the nunchuck)

[RiPPn]

You do know it comes with one in the box right ? (talking about the nunchuck)

haha I got it on launch I thought I had bought 2 numchucks, maybe not maybe it was just a 2nd controller and numchuck, that and the classic controller which I've never used.

[sjkhounk]

Really great post. But it is all in vein towards Satel.
There is no way Satel will learn anything from a post unless it's 100% beneficial for the PS3, or bad news for anything else.

He's the "Token Forum Loser".

But seriously, he's not real. He's just an identity made up by the sites administrator to flame up threads for popularity. Cause no one in this world is that stupid. I just will not believe it. For the sake of my faith in this planet.

That or he's really a 360 fanboy, making PS3 owners look bad. Cause really, all he does is push potential PS3 customers away from the console in fear of becoming similar to him. Can the PS3 make you retarded? Satel aka Nimbus are not helping deter that theory.

[tralalawala]

why do nerds on forums keep wanking off about online play? a tiny TINY amount of (console) gamers play online. an amount so small it's insignificant really.

Online gaming is still the preserve of people with greasy hair and bad BO, and will stay that way for the next 5 years at least. If nintendo don't have online play for the next-gen (when online play may become mainstream) then they will have a problem.

LOLZ at "hardcore gamers playing shooters" too.

[Desolationstorm]

hmm.... this comment coming from someone whose console contains party games or stupid gimmick games (big brain academy anyone?) as the majority of the games that populate the console. not exactly tempting for hardcore gamers who are after decent rpg's and decent shooting games that also have great online gameplay, is it?

the ps3 has no games at all though so the wii has one up on the ps3 there. the 360 has some decent games on it though so i think any hardcore gamer is more likely to go for buying a ps2 for rpg's and a 360 for the rest of their needs. this is just my opinion though.

I like how hardcore gamers are after only rpgs and fps. Seeing as how the wii already has a few decent and one real good fps dont see how thats a problem. THe only great online play is on 360 no one else need to contend that.

Ive never felt like hardcore was ever used correctly because IMO a hardcore gamer enjoys games for their experiance and wont be so narrow minded about graphics and generes. Not saying graphics dont matter, but if gaming is your main hobby why not get the most out of the experiance. I have a wii and a 360, because simply put there are a lot of great games on the 360 but the wii couldnt be counted out for the potential it could have. Either way Ill be rewarded with one of the best platformers next week and smash after the holidays.

[tralalawala]

Ive never felt like hardcore was ever used correctly because IMO a hardcore gamer enjoys games for their experiance and wont be so narrow minded about graphics and generes.

Thats what "hardcore gamer" used to mean. They would play any game as long as it was good - often favouring qwirky japanese "cutesy" games. Platform and gfx didn't matter.

Now it seems to have been bastardised into something else - someone who only plays online fps's. Thats not hardcore, thats nerdcore..

[Desolationstorm]

Thats what "hardcore gamer" used to mean. They would play any game as long as it was good - often favouring qwirky japanese "cutesy" games. Platform and gfx didn't matter.

Now it seems to have been bastardised into something else - someone who only plays online fps's. Thats not hardcore, thats nerdcore..

Its a dirty world I know:D