MS inspired by the lifecycle of PS2, sees potential for Xbox 360

[Zeus]

Microsoft Executive Mindy Mount has suggested that the Xbox 360 will last for longer than the traditional 5 year lifespan of a games console, Mount pointed towards the PS2 as evidence that it is indeed a possibility to go beyond the average. Mount likes the idea of extending the life cycle of the console as profitability increases with each year that goes on by.


"Look at the PS2; they've gone long-time and seem to have pretty good legs on what they are doing," Mount told a BMO Capital Markets conference on interactive entertainment.

"If we were able to do that, as CFO I think that's great, because every year you draw it out you increase profitability," Mount said.

Microsoft launched the Xbox 360 in November 2005, replacing the original Xbox that debuted four years earlier to challenge Sony for dominance in a video game industry that is on track to hit $40 billion this year.

Mount said features such as high-definition graphics make new machines attractive when compared against older hardware, but hinted that she sees less need to rush out an all-new console.

"At this point from the technological perspective, there are some real advances ... that make it worth having a next-generation console," Mount said. "Right now there aren't that many things on the horizon that you think, wow, that's going to be a game-changer."


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MS inspired by the lifecycle of PS2, sees potential for Xbox 360

hahahahaha lolololol they need to increase the limited red ring warranty to 10 years & hope dev's still make 7 gig games @ 640p :D

[kayjay]

to ms: you wish! in 5 years ALL 1st and 2nd gen xbox360s will be dead.

[cokemusic1]

hardware related issues are the main obstacle.I don't think it's possible.

[Reset]

ok, I agree the 360 is faulty, but my launch ps2 couldn't even play dual layer discs and died in 3 years. anyone that has a first or second year ps2 that still works didn't play it very freqently over the years. this isn't talking about how long the consoles last, it's talking about how long you will make new games to keep people buying hardware. It sounds to me like MS is starting to make money and they want to maximize it. but they should remember part of the reason for the 360's success (thus far) is that they were the first out the gate. the longer you wait to make your next console, the more risk you take in being able to take the market.

[whackawookie]

to ms: you wish! in 5 years ALL 1st and 2nd gen xbox360s will be dead.

which is why my ps2 is dead.... again

[Neolucifer]

I could see it happen , but right now i see it more like MS tired of launching expensive consoles every "generations"


anyone that has a first or second year ps2 that still works didn't play it very freqently over the years. this isn't talking about how long the consoles last, it's talking about how long you will make new games to keep people buying hardware.

Completely false ... i still got the same playstation from the year of its launch ...
I modded it , added hard drives , some died , but the console is still there . I still play it far more than any consoles given its huge library of j rpgs .

It doesnt read everything perfectly anymore , even skips cutscenes on a few reent games , but it still works fine , and i never had to repair it .


of course i know that the console is quite faulty and i'm in a tiny tiny minority of exceptions , but still i and few like me excepts

[dennis872007]

which is why my ps2 is dead.... again

who cares its an old system and my 6 year old ps2 is still running. i have already had 2 360's in a month, going on my third since the 360 is showing signs of crapping out again.

yeah right in seven years the only console left selling will be again a sony console like the ps1 and ps2 before it. because they supported the dvd and cd and now blu ray.360 and wii will die out specially wii with its crappy games and last-gen hardware

he forgot to mention the xbox i wonder why?

[MadMax31]

LOL, they have already stated that are already working in the successor of the X-360, and having two gaming platforms is the worst (just look how the PS2 kills the PS3), so if they really want that, that means they would have to give full support to the successor and stop the support of the X-360, so that they don't create direct competition with themselves.

[SSChevy2001]

MS made mistakes with the old xbox and it lifecycle was cut way to short, even though it was the most powerful lastgen console. They didn't have rights to the hardware, and were losing money with every price drop. That problem even lead to MS using software BC on the 360. This time around MS has rights to the hardware in the 360, so it's really up to them to prove it's here for the long run.

[bob626]

Hey I love my 360 but I don't see it lasting longer than 5 years with all the RROD. Ive only had 1 RROD but every thing turned out ok and I got halo 3 and my 360 on the same day. On a side note looking forward to Mass Effect and Assassins Creed my 360 is gonna be working overtime with those.

[Reset]

Completely false ... i still got the same playstation from the year of its launch ...
I modded it , added hard drives , some died , but the console is still there . I still play it far more than any consoles given its huge library of j rpgs .

It doesnt read everything perfectly anymore , even skips cutscenes on a few reent games , but it still works fine , and i never had to repair it .


of course i know that the console is quite faulty and i'm in a tiny tiny minority of exceptions , but still i and few like me excepts
I don't beleive you have a launch ps2 by that. if you can play the retail vice city without probs half-way through the game, then you don't have a launch ps2. and I'm sure the class action law-suit that sony lost because of the laser problems was only me. even though I never heard of the law suit till years after my ps2 was dead.

my point was simple, that people saying the 360's are faulty so it can't last 7 years is a BS argument when you look at the early ps2's.

[dennis872007]

I don't beleive you have a launch ps2 by that. if you can play the retail vice city without probs half-way through the game, then you don't have a launch ps2. and I'm sure the class action law-suit that sony lost because of the laser problems was only me. even though I never heard of the law suit till years after my ps2 was dead.

my point was simple, that people saying the 360's are faulty so it can't last 7 years is a BS argument when you look at the early ps2's.

the 360 has a much higher failure than the ps2. but since its microsoft it is very hard to sue them.

[msanchez]

...of course i know that the console is quite faulty and i'm in a tiny tiny minority of exceptions...

You and me both. My ps2 is still going strong and it got hammered pretty badly, 24 hr GT endurance runs where all too normal during the early months of GT3, and 4 being released. On many rpgs when there wasn't a save point in sight I would leave the console on overnight, and I even had a failed mod chip installation which I just noticed a few months ago knocked out my rumble (and some people say rumble is soooooo important, to each his own I guess). As you can tell my ps2 works fine even after some serious use, I've been playing of the HDD since last year and I will say that sometimes I have problems reading ps1 games.

Anyways back on topic, I think it would be a good move by ms. 360/ps3 graphics are good enough to hold out until they come up with something better; I wouldn't like to have to upgrade my console everytime a little graphic push is possible. The ps2 has also shown what a better understanding on a consoles architecture can do, and spare me the "ps2 was hard to dev for" bit, as easy as it is or ms make it devs probably have a long ways to go before they fully master the 360. Also having consoles around for longer periods, I think, forces devs to concentrate on content or enjoyability instead of graphics.

And to everyone who keeps mentioning the RROD as a reason why it can't last that long, all I have to say is that ms should shoot whoever thinks of attempting to release another rushed console; it's pretty inexcusable how high the failure rate was, and how they didn't do anything for so long, but it is getting better without a doubt. I'm pretty sure they can start working on the hardware for the next console while enjoying the benefits that the 360 is yielding. This way they can properly test the thing before releasing it.

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the 360 has a much higher failure than the ps2. but since its microsoft it is very hard to sue them.I said the 360 was faulty, in fact you can see past threads of me complaining about just how crappy it is, I have a dead box right next to me (which is why I post more than I should), but my point is still valid. also there is the fact that many people often speculate that many of the ps2's 120 million sales are resales, including many current sales today. sony proved faulty hardware can somehow lengthen the life of console sales. (same reason cars don't last 50 years these days)

you could even make a conspiracy theory that the 360 is purposley faulty to sale more consoles later on, and that the ps2 may have been inspiration. but that's just a fun conspiracy idea.

also, the 3-year warranty was MS's way out of a law-suit, and I honestley wish sony did the same with ps2.

edit.... oh yeah my gamecube also died only 1 year and three months after purchase. but nintendo fixed it out of warranty free of charge.

[dalezer]

Luck move for Sony. Could of been really bad if they didn't have any PS2 exclusive games. But atleast MS wasn't stupid enough to take that kind of risk, and now they know its a good opportunity for the 360.

Pretty kewl too see that a console in the Declining stage of the product life cycle can sustain such a large market share and sustain profits.

At least MS dedicated more to marketing and research to get such a high attachment rate, and a overall greater market share. Even though the 360 has just recently turned a profit.

[nimbus]

HAHAHAHHAHAHA

360 lasT 10 YEAR??Z?Z???Z

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DAT CRAP IS CRAP
:cool:

[grapeape]

MS made mistakes with the old xbox and it lifecycle was cut way to short, even though it was the most powerful lastgen console. They didn't have rights to the hardware, and were losing money with every price drop. That problem even lead to MS using software BC on the 360. This time around MS has rights to the hardware in the 360, so it's really up to them to prove it's here for the long run.

They had no real choice though, the component manufacturers were not willing to be flexable on pricing so at each price drop MS lost more money...thats the main reason why Nvidia wasnt even concidered for the 360...they burned that bridge.

As for the hardware issues...i would imagine that year or so from now the only people who will even remember the 3rod issue will be the diehard fanboys. Look at the ac adaptor problems and laser problems of the ps3 there were 110+ million of those sold probably at least a 3rd of which are repeat buys due to console failure, I know only one person who still has his original ps2 and he hardly plays games at all. Even being generous and claiming less than 10% had their ps2 die its still a total greater than that of all the 360's sold so far. Still no one remembers the failures there.

[Neolucifer]

I don't beleive you have a launch ps2 by that. if you can play the retail vice city without probs half-way through the game, then you don't have a launch ps2. and I'm sure the class action law-suit that sony lost because of the laser problems was only me. even though I never heard of the law suit till years after my ps2 was dead.

my point was simple, that people saying the 360's are faulty so it can't last 7 years is a BS argument when you look at the early ps2's.

I'm pretty sure i got one , and a euro launch one thank you . How much more stubborn can you get ? i'm aknowledging without problem the issues with the ps2's lifespan , especially the lens . i'm still seeing ps2 back for repair every day , even for the latest SCPH geez ....

But the fact still remains that mine is alive and kicking . Sure i've been playing 90% of the time from HDD (exception being games not working with hdloader) those past two years ... and i dont even bother ruining my lens with ps1 games , but it still works great .

Besides who said i even bothered with vice city ? i dont care about that game , and only tried it on pc , so i dont know **** about how it runs on ps2 .. early or not .
I only know that i played and still play mostly j rpgs and anime games , so quite lenghty games with lost of cutscenes and probably enough of a stress test , of a strain for the console .


Still no one remembers the failures there.

plenty does , no one just care when the alternative was a robust and solid gamecube with a poor game and deemed kiddie library .

And do you care to develop about those ps3 issues ? Because s far while everyoen expected faulty console , the ps3 seems quite solid i dont see a lot of complaints and returns .

[billysastard]

HAHAHAHHAHAHA

360 lasT 10 YEAR??Z?Z???Z

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DAT CRAP IS CRAP
:cool:

OH MY GOD it's happened.

for the first time i find myself in agreement with this idiot.

if ms can barely make a 360 that lasts 5 month how the hell do they expect it to last 5 years, remember all those who bought a second 360 to cover the rrod issue will be out of warantey so will they realy buy one or two more 360's.


:cool:

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@Neolucifer

fair enough, as you said yourself, you've been playing games off the HDD, so you don't represent most users. my original xbox still works, but not the dvd-drive on it. I actually don't like Vice City either, but it pissed me off that my friends and family couldn't play through the game on my system. What I stated was that launch ps2's can't read dual-layer game discs properly, and that is true, I used Vice City as an example because I beleive it was the first dual-layer ps2 game. you won't have a problem playing dual-layer games off a HDD of course. I actually agree with what you wrote for the most part. but I really don't think it changes that sony released a launch system that isn't capable of playing the entire library of games in stock condition (not modded).
I guess I could mod my dead ps2 and play games off the HDD since the failure was the laser. it's also possible Vice City helped kill my laser faster since it is extremely intensive streaming data. Im not kicking and screaming, srry if it sounds that way. you said what I said was completley false which it isn't, and since you played off HDD (so did the other user who said his same year console works) you can't really use yourself as an example for the lasers reliablity.

360's problems are far worse though, and I don't have a problem with ps2 even though I personally got screwed. I'm really pretty nuetral since every system I've had since the playstation has broke at some point besides 64 (probly because it was cartridge based with no moving parts).

[dennis872007]

I said the 360 was faulty, in fact you can see past threads of me complaining about just how crappy it is, I have a dead box right next to me (which is why I post more than I should), but my point is still valid. also there is the fact that many people often speculate that many of the ps2's 120 million sales are resales, including many current sales today. sony proved faulty hardware can somehow lengthen the life of console sales. (same reason cars don't last 50 years these days)

you could even make a conspiracy theory that the 360 is purposley faulty to sale more consoles later on, and that the ps2 may have been inspiration. but that's just a fun conspiracy idea.

also, the 3-year warranty was MS's way out of a law-suit, and I honestley wish sony did the same with ps2.

edit.... oh yeah my gamecube also died only 1 year and three months after purchase. but nintendo fixed it out of warranty free of charge.

the only problem with this is that the 360 has a much bigger problem and will likely continue until the new console from microsoft comes out. did you ever hear someone that was in their 11 or 12th ps2. or people who bought back ups because they were afraid the console would crap out.

[Skyline34]

Microsoft have to pull something outta there ass in order to make the 360 last on a span of 10 years... hell, my PS2 is still in my room from 2001 running fine :)

[grapeape]

the only problem with this is that the 360 has a much bigger problem and will likely continue until the new console from microsoft comes out. did you ever hear someone that was in their 11 or 12th ps2. or people who bought back ups because they were afraid the console would crap out.

Im on my 4th ps2 does that count? Everything we are hearing now is the same crap we heard the first 2 years or so that the ps2 was out...consoles dying everry 6 months...then it started again when the lite was released only this time instead of lasers it was power supplies...eventually it got cheap enough that nobody cared anymore and since then most talk as if it never happened at all.

[Neolucifer]

Im not kicking and screaming, srry if it sounds that way. you said what I said was completley false which it isn't, and since you played off HDD (so did the other user who said his same year console works) you can't really use yourself as an example for the lasers reliablity.
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not prob , but i still think i kinda fit ... not that i'm vouching again and anyway for the laser's durability ... i know i'm one of those rare exception . Just pointing out that ps2 failure while umerous arent a 100% rule .
I've only been playing of the hdd the past 2 years , and it was more a matter of being tired of loading times (and to be honest some piracy ... i buy my rpg , but i wont be lying and saying i bought all of them or didnt want months for price and value to drop for some games) than any issue with games .

I also know the console especially the old ones can be , or rather a almost always struggling with dvd 9 games ... still Xenosaga 1 played and still plays fine , so did genji and god of war 1 (2 only played on hdd) . I remember star ocean 3 in its original jap version crashing on me after a few hours however ... but that game was already buggy as hell before its re release, even without the dvd 9 issues .


But sure outside of games forcing me too , i wont go back to using the lens and tempt fate :D


Im on my 4th ps2 does that count?

I dunno , i think you're as much an oddity than i am . Close to everyone playing long with the console had at least once experienced issues like lens failures or others , but 4 thats quite a high rate imo .

[snipersnake]

@Neolucifer

What I stated was that launch ps2's can't read dual-layer game discs properly, and that is true, I used Vice City as an example because I beleive it was the first dual-layer ps2 game. you won't have a problem playing dual-layer games off a HDD of course.

No GTA games has been in dual layer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_DVD-9_games

One of the earliest dual layer game for PS2 was those wacky Train Sims, then followed by MGS2 Substance.

The lense is dead? Just replace it. I just got mine replaced, and that was around 30 quids here in my place. I have been using it since 2000, no problems what so ever except for the lense. Lense is a wear and tear part, they die all the time. I have been on HD loader since 2004..and like the forumers here, my ps2 was abused to the max with those 24 hours enduro races and RPGs that flow like wine.

Side note, games were the advantage of PS2. It was the weakest among its gen (Xbox, Gamecube) and yet, up until today, games are still being released on it. What about Xbox and Gamecube? And the online play was free. Did you guys know, Monster Hunter, relased in 2004, and yet up to this date, still actively played online. Hell, i just replace my lense to play this game. At least lense is replaceable, better then a design flaw :confused:

[sjkhounk]

My first PS2's lens died on me. Didn't take too long either. I did the old, "buy a brand new system, swap guts, fix void sticker, return to walmart" trick. And I would've done the same thing with my 360 (if I ever get RROD) if I didn't have a 3 year warranty. If it dies after 3 years, I wouldn't be hard-pressed to buy another one. My PS2 died too early for me to accept it at the price I paid.

[snipersnake]

remember, that warranty only covers 3rods.

[sjkhounk]

remember, that warranty only covers 3rods.

If something else is wrong with it, you can cover your 360, turn it on and overheat it to get RROD to claim the warranty. At least I think so.

[Reset]

No GTA games has been in dual layer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_DVD-9_games
That wiki is incomplete, Vice City is absolutley dual-layer.

[dennis872007]

No GTA games has been in dual layer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_DVD-9_games

One of the earliest dual layer game for PS2 was those wacky Train Sims, then followed by MGS2 Substance.

The lense is dead? Just replace it. I just got mine replaced, and that was around 30 quids here in my place. I have been using it since 2000, no problems what so ever except for the lense. Lense is a wear and tear part, they die all the time. I have been on HD loader since 2004..and like the forumers here, my ps2 was abused to the max with those 24 hours enduro races and RPGs that flow like wine.

Side note, games were the advantage of PS2. It was the weakest among its gen (Xbox, Gamecube) and yet, up until today, games are still being released on it. What about Xbox and Gamecube? And the online play was free. Did you guys know, Monster Hunter, relased in 2004, and yet up to this date, still actively played online. Hell, i just replace my lense to play this game. At least lense is replaceable, better then a design flaw :confused:

yep that is true. my ps2 sometimes has trouble reading but i use that thing hardcore with gt4 in the twenty four hours races. i could never think of running my 360 more than 4 hours at a single time. xbox 360 really is crappy way more than the lense dying on you.

[msanchez]

....I used Vice City as an example because I beleive it was the first dual-layer ps2 game..
I think it might have been MGS 2

... since you played off HDD (so did the other user who said his same year console works) you can't really use yourself as an example for the lasers reliablity....

I assume your talking about me, so explain why you say this? I bought my console about 3 months after launch, and was heavily played up until maybe 2 years ago when I cut down on my gaming time considerably, and I've only been using the HDD for about a year more or less. All the stress I put on my laser was prior to me dealing with HDDs, GT3, GT4, FFX, Xenogears, plus all those other games that I played for extended periods of time were well before me using the HDD.

I get what your saying though, but until the 360 has been around for as long as the ps2 has been around we won't really know which was more troublesome. I will say this, I found out that ps2 were dying left and right when I started posting on these forums. Before that I had never heard of them malfunctioning, and to this day I haven't personally seen one broken, at least not by normal/intended use.

[grapeape]

No GTA games has been in dual layer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_DVD-9_games

One of the earliest dual layer game for PS2 was those wacky Train Sims, then followed by MGS2 Substance.

The lense is dead? Just replace it. I just got mine replaced, and that was around 30 quids here in my place. I have been using it since 2000, no problems what so ever except for the lense. Lense is a wear and tear part, they die all the time. I have been on HD loader since 2004..and like the forumers here, my ps2 was abused to the max with those 24 hours enduro races and RPGs that flow like wine.

Side note, games were the advantage of PS2. It was the weakest among its gen (Xbox, Gamecube) and yet, up until today, games are still being released on it. What about Xbox and Gamecube? And the online play was free. Did you guys know, Monster Hunter, relased in 2004, and yet up to this date, still actively played online. Hell, i just replace my lense to play this game. At least lense is replaceable, better then a design flaw :confused:

The lense problem is a design problem...based on that logic isnt is just as easy to say spend $1 on some bolts and washers and do the xclamp mod? heck if anything that fix is cheaper...both are flaws both should have never happened to start with. The only difference is MS was too stupid to keep its mouth shut and deny it until they managed to settle in a lawsuit for a paltry sum in exchange for not having to "admit" there was a problem to start with.

[snipersnake]

That wiki is incomplete, Vice City is absolutley dual-layer.

http://img108.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2007/11/08/vicecity-48ftca75z.png

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dude, is that a pic of a retail or a pirated version. it is dual-layer. at least US retail is dual-layer.

edit.. don't u remember a certain group releasing a rip version back then since dual-layers weren't really around in larger numbers yet.

edit again.....looks like I was wrong about the size of Vice, I'm still not sure to tell the truth though. but I coulda sworn there was a dvd 9 version as opposed to a dvd 5 version back in the day. now I have no idea why my ps2 couldn't read the enitre disc.

[GazP]

Vice city retail is a single layer disc.

The 360 won't copy the PS2 life cycle, simple as that. Great hardware, but poor design. In gaming history there has never been a console with such a high failure rate. MS will be busy now working on it's successor, and you can guarantee the next one won't have the same RROD problem.

I say the next console from MS will be out in 3 years. After that the 360 will be killed off slowly it won't live as long as the PS2 has.