MS: 360 still the better value offering, we have all the aces in the pack

[Zeus]

Microsoft Xbox European Chief Chris Lewis has commented that he believes Microsoft has all the aces in the pack and he remains very confident of the future success of the Xbox 360. Lewis claims that the Xbox 360 is still better value in comparison to the low priced PS3 which comes with an integrated Blu-ray player for the same price as an Elite console in the UK.


Lewis said: "We're not surprised that Sony made this move - the entry point was pretty high and I think they had to respond. For me this is more about content - I think we have all the aces in the pack here and I remain very confident!

"This announcement does not change our strategy, which is to offer gamers the best lineup ever in the history of videogames, paired with an amazing value-for-money console that provides amazing entertainment experiences for all gamers."

Lewis added that he felt that the 360 was still the "better value offering" following the PS3 price cuts, despite Sony's console, which comes with a Blu-ray player built in, being available for the same price as an Xbox 360 Elite in the UK.

"We have always given consumers choice - we feel this is always a better option for consumers rather than forcing them to buy something they might not want," he said.


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[cokemusic1]

the 360 is alot of good things , value for money is not one of them.

[LeGioN1202]

Now explain how exactly it is a better offering?

You get no online gaming without an additional subscription after your initial purchase.

You get no Wi-Fi without an additional fee of $100 for a Wi-Fi adapter.

You get no HD movie viewing without additional $200 for an HD-DVD add-on.

You get no rechargable controller without an additional purchase of rechargeable batteries or a rechargeable battery kit.

You get a system with a history of hardware failure since it's birth.

PS3 owners get all that I mentioned for just $50 more compared to the $400+ extra it would cost for 360 owners.

Yeah yeah MS... keep telling yourselves that.

Not to mention, me and all my friends think the 360 controller is god awful. No good for any of the games I play. I like where the analogs are positioned on the PS2/PS3 controllers.

[11111]

Now explain how exactly it is a better offering?

You get no online gaming without an additional subscription after your initial purchase.

You get no Wi-Fi without an additional fee of $100 for a Wi-Fi adapter.

You get no HD movie viewing without additional $200 for an HD-DVD add-on.

You get no rechargable controller without an additional purchase of rechargeable batteries or a rechargeable battery kit.

You get a system with a history of hardware failure since it's birth.

PS3 owners get all that I mentioned for just $50 more compared to the $400+ extra it would cost for 360 owners.

Yeah yeah MS... keep telling yourselves that.

Not to mention, me and all my friends think the 360 controller is god awful. No good for any of the games I play. I like where the analogs are positioned on the PS2/PS3 controllers.

that's the 2 big gripes i have for the 360. 100 dollars for wifi and 50 extra for LIVE. I think they should keep LIVE free but i'm sure everyone feels that way. as for hd-dvd i personally dont care for it if it came with anything i'd prefer bluray over hd dvd as it seems like bluray will eventually take it.

[LilMikey]

They're saving it. They know they're going to come out very well this holiday season. Early next year when it looks like the PS3 might start gaining a foothold they can drop a big ole' price cut to pull the steam from Sony's sails.

Same reason Nintendo isn't dropping prices... don't need to.

[DrEggman]

Are you sure it wouldn't look more like this?

http://www.bakaneko.com/RROD_Cards.jpg

I would agree that they are in a good spot if

It didn't cost an additional $50 to play online
HDD was standard (have you tried to use a 360 without one? Painful)
It didn't cost $170 extra for HD movie playback
Had more than just first person shooters to rely on (Think mass market)
Had better hardware (65nm is not standard in most machines sold today. Not even the Halo 360s)


I think the Wii is in a great spot this year with titles like

sUpeR MaRio GalAxY
NiGHTs
Smash Bros (Just after Xmas-ish)


Even the PS3 has a good, broad line-up with

Drake's Fortune
Ratchet and Clank
Eye of Judgement
GT5
Not to mention Blu-Ray playback. I'm sure they will be pushing that hard with Spiderman 3 and such

[DrEggman]

They're saving it. They know they're going to come out very well this holiday season. Early next year when it looks like the PS3 might start gaining a foothold they can drop a big ole' price cut to pull the steam from Sony's sails.

Same reason Nintendo isn't dropping prices... don't need to.

In case you missed it, the 360 dropped the price $50 and $30 for the core already. This happened a while ago.

[dennis872007]

yeah right and pig fly. MS are fucking cheap and they need to put the price down of the 360 to 100 dollars since the hd-dvd drive cost 200 dollars and the wi-fi costs 100 dollars. i am talking about the elite since it might be the most relibable although my friend got an elite and his came out dead on arrival. wtf is that.

[XxBigP123xX]

Are you sure it wouldn't look more like this?

http://www.bakaneko.com/RROD_Cards.jpg

I would agree that they are in a good spot if

It didn't cost an additional $50 to play online
HDD was standard (have you tried to use a 360 without one? Painful)
It didn't cost $170 extra for HD movie playback
Had more than just first person shooters to rely on (Think mass market)
Had better hardware (65nm is not standard in most machines sold today. Not even the Halo 360s)


I think the Wii is in a great spot this year with titles like

sUpeR MaRio GalAxY
NiGHTs
Smash Bros (Just after Xmas-ish)


Even the PS3 has a good, broad line-up with

Drake's Fortune
Ratchet and Clank
Eye of Judgement
GT5
Not to mention Blu-Ray playback. I'm sure they will be pushing that hard with Spiderman 3 and such

he's sending a message of some sort....

[LeGioN1202]

In case you missed it, the 360 dropped the price $50 and $30 for the core already. This happened a while ago.

If Sony can drop price by $200 within 1 year, why can MS only do $50 after 2 years?

Come on, even Nintendo may introduce a $50 cut shortly after the new year.

They are cheap, shady people, whether you choose to believe that or not.

Smart people never believe a word of garbage that comes from the mouths of overly greedy bastards like them. One of the reason I refuse to pay for Windows or any other MS based product.

Want me to believe they have all the aces in the pack and you have it all under control? Treat me like a human being first.

[DrEggman]

Look, as much as I think the 360 is lacking. Does Wi-Fi really matter? My PS3 has it, do I use it? Hell no. I don't want any lag when playing online or downloading content. I would use a LAN cable for my Wii if it didn't cost me extra for an adapter. The system I have the most trouble with online is by far the Wii. My router is a WRT54G thats no more than 20 ft away from my game consoles. So its not my setup.

The truth of the matter here is that ALL 3 companies will say they have what it takes to be the best for xmas. My bet is on Sony...I didn't say PS3, I said Sony. Sony has PS3, PSP, and PS2. Lets not forget all the Blu-Ray titles they will be pushing as well. Even if you don't care for HD content, people will go for what they think has more. And the RRoD problem has seeped into public minds unfortunatly. Go ask some average people in Walmart to see what I'm talking about. They know they want a Wii but they can't have one (which meens a 100% sale if they see one, smart Nintendo.) They know that PS3 is pricy (but with the PS2s success, they automatically assume PS3 is the next great thing). And that the 360 breaks. Ask someone in their 16-20s or so, sure, Halo 3 = teh w00t, but since when did they have money?

[LeGioN1202]

Look, as much as I think the 360 is lacking. Does Wi-Fi really matter? My PS3 has it, do I use it? Hell no. I don't want any lag when playing online or downloading content. I would use a LAN cable for my Wii if it didn't cost me extra for an adapter. The system I have the most trouble with online is by far the Wii. My router is a WRT54G thats no more than 20 ft away from my game consoles. So its not my setup.

The truth of the matter here is that ALL 3 companies will say they have what it takes to be the best for xmas. My bet is on Sony...I didn't say PS3, I said Sony. Sony has PS3, PSP, and PS2. Lets not forget all the Blu-Ray titles they will be pushing as well. Even if you don't care for HD content, people will go for what they think has more. And the RRoD problem has seeped into public minds unfortunatly. Go ask some average people in Walmart to see what I'm talking about. They know they want a Wii but they can't have one (which meens a 100% sale if they see one, smart Nintendo.) They know that PS3 is pricy (but with the PS2s success, they automatically assume PS3 is the next great thing). And that the 360 breaks. Ask someone in their 16-20s or so, sure, Halo 3 = teh w00t, but since when did they have money?

Agreed. One of my well known co-workers is planning on purchasing a gaming console for his 2 sons. Of course both of them would like a Nintendo Wii and he wants to get a hold of one, which is pretty easy here on Long Island... hop on the train, go to Manhattan, visit the Nintendo World Store and BAM... your set.

However, he said if he can not find one he will pick up a PS3 because he heard enough about the 360 hardware problems in news and papers, not to mention the fact that I work with alot of people between the ages of 20-45. We know what is smart to buy and what isn't. Smart people don't pay for things that are meant to be free.

[benny32]

The 360 is going to be a nightmare for used game console collectors.:mad: I can only imagine piles of RROD ridden consoles filling up Gamestop stores and pawn shops. I doubt gamestop is going to support the 360 hardware in the used sector after the 720 is released. Too many rrod problems to deal with.

[xllzerollx]

Now explain how exactly it is a better offering?

You get no online gaming without an additional subscription after your initial purchase.

You get no Wi-Fi without an additional fee of $100 for a Wi-Fi adapter.

You get no HD movie viewing without additional $200 for an HD-DVD add-on.

You get no rechargable controller without an additional purchase of rechargeable batteries or a rechargeable battery kit.

You get a system with a history of hardware failure since it's birth.

PS3 owners get all that I mentioned for just $50 more compared to the $400+ extra it would cost for 360 owners.

Yeah yeah MS... keep telling yourselves that.

Not to mention, me and all my friends think the 360 controller is god awful. No good for any of the games I play. I like where the analogs are positioned on the PS2/PS3 controllers.
this is all there is to say.

[dennis872007]

funny how no xbots are in this topic, since they can't say anything about the 360 being freaking expensive compared to the ps3. oh how times have changed. and next year ps3 will own 360

[xllzerollx]

only way 360 could succeed is if they recall all those defective 360s and replace for brand new immune to rrod.
and they still need to make it alot cheaper to get the hd dvd player, and the 100$ wifi adapter.

otherwise, when your pretty 3 years warranty are over, stick your rrod 360 up some ms representative ass.

[grapeape]

funny how no xbots are in this topic, since they can't say anything about the 360 being freaking expensive compared to the ps3. oh how times have changed. and next year ps3 will own 360

Actually the xbots have stayed away because the fanboys immediately jumped in with the same empty argument they use all the time and most "xbots" dont care...they dont need wifi, they dont need hd movies, they feel they get good value for their money for live, rechargable batteries cost 5-6 bucks at most department stores now, there are plenty of people who have never had hardware problems. Not to mention most of the "xbots" dont feel the need to take a defensive position on their console choice...why do so many fanboys feel they need to. Look at the average ps3 thread vs the 360 there are 3x the number of fanboys ranting and raving at every 360 post. They are starting to remind me of some kind of pathetic cult wandering from thread to thread in a lame attempt to convert the "wicked" to their own kool aid tainted view of the current console generation. People have different priorities for those that want HD movies and need wireless sure the PS3 is a great deal especially at $400 for the 40gig. For those that dont care about HD and dont need Wifi its just spending more for access to a smaller game library. I just dont get it, are fanboys so worried the state of their console that they feel the need to be so one sided about the current gen, I mean I understand the desire to protect your investment but it doesnt work if anything it has the opposite effect and turns people away.

I've had a ps3 at my house for 2 weeks so far, its ok the few exclusives I have played were alright, Heavenly sword was good for a few hours but I got bored (im not the right one to judge it I dont like fighters anyway), RfoM was fun I managed to finish that one, Lair I played for a couple hours my son liked it better than I did, I found it frustrating. Folklore literally put me to sleep it was like pokemon without the cute parts (to be fair Eternal Sonata did the same thing to me maybe ive just finally had my fill of quirky jrpg's). Im hopeful for Uncharted but so far the time I have spent with the console have done nothing but make me miss my 360. Dont get me wrong I didnt think any of the games sucked, I just didnt see anything that made me think "wow my 360 couldnt do that". I'll still get one eventually, it was going to be Christmas, but im just not impressed enough, unless uncharted just blows my mind im pushing it into mid-late next year.

[dennis872007]

Actually the xbots have stayed away because the fanboys immediately jumped in with the same empty argument they use all the time and most "xbots" dont care...they dont need wifi, they dont need hd movies, they feel they get good value for their money for live, rechargable batteries cost 5-6 bucks at most department stores now, there are plenty of people who have never had hardware problems. Not to mention most of the "xbots" dont feel the need to take a defensive position on their console choice...why do so many fanboys feel they need to. Look at the average ps3 thread vs the 360 there are 3x the number of fanboys ranting and raving at every 360 post. They are starting to remind me of some kind of pathetic cult wandering from thread to thread in a lame attempt to convert the "wicked" to their own kool aid tainted view of the current console generation. People have different priorities for those that want HD movies and need wireless sure the PS3 is a great deal especially at $400 for the 40gig. For those that dont care about HD and dont need Wifi its just spending more for access to a smaller game library. I just dont get it, are fanboys so worried the state of their console that they feel the need to be so one sided about the current gen, I mean I understand the desire to protect your investment but it doesnt work if anything it has the opposite effect and turns people away.

I've had a ps3 at my house for 2 weeks so far, its ok the few exclusives I have played were alright, Heavenly sword was good for a few hours but I got bored (im not the right one to judge it I dont like fighters anyway), RfoM was fun I managed to finish that one, Lair I played for a couple hours my son liked it better than I did, I found it frustrating. Folklore literally put me to sleep it was like pokemon without the cute parts (to be fair Eternal Sonata did the same thing to me maybe ive just finally had my fill of quirky jrpg's). Im hopeful for Uncharted but so far the time I have spent with the console have done nothing but make me miss my 360. Dont get me wrong I didnt think any of the games sucked, I just didnt see anything that made me think "wow my 360 couldnt do that". I'll still get one eventually, it was going to be Christmas, but im just not impressed enough, unless uncharted just blows my mind im pushing it into mid-late next year.

i doubt that. anyone with half a brain knows that the 360 is freaking expensive in terms of accesories and it would be pointless to argue otherwise. that is why non of them are in this topic.l

[elcapitan008]

i doubt that. anyone with half a brain knows that the 360 is freaking expensive in terms of accesories and it would be pointless to argue otherwise. that is why non of them are in this topic.l

First off, great post grapeape, secondly: There are none of the 360 fanboys here because it's around 9:00EST, they're on Live actually playing their console and getting their money's worth. Heh, that's a thought actually playing your console, instead of bitching about another.

PS: I agree about the accesory prices but part of being the greatest value means you don't really need the extras to enjoy some of the best console gaming has to offer to date, and to quote your words: "it would be pointless to argue otherwise"

[dennis872007]

First off, great post grapeape, secondly: There are none of the 360 fanboys here because it's around 9:00EST, they're on Live actually playing their console and getting their money's worth. Heh, that's a thought actually playing your console, instead of bitching about another.

PS: I agree about the accesory prices but part of being the greatest value means you don't really need the extras to enjoy some of the best console gaming has to offer to date, and to quote your words: "it would be pointless to argue otherwise"


i do need the extras and i have a 360. its a rip-off because hd-dvd players cost 100 dollars. my hd tv is downstairs and my connection is upstairs so i need wi-fi. all in all the only game i play for the 360 is halo, and i am not playing right now. its not bitching its just stating the obvious that the 360 is a rip off and should only be 100 dollars to be the better value

[nimbus]

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[JJXB]

i have a 360 and i'm happy with it. if i had a ps3 right now it would be used more as a linux machine than a games console since there are no games that really make me want to go out and buy one. only one that looks good in the future is MGS4 and i could probably go and play that on a friend's ps3 if i wanted to try it after it's out.

and as for the whole $100 for a wifi adapter/$200 for a HD-DVD drive argument, meh. i have my 360 hooked up just fine to my router with only minor problems every so often (but that's due to the router so it would happen with a wifi adapter as well). and i have a SDTV so who gives a **** about HD-DVD when you can't really see much difference between them and normal dvd's with your tv in the first place. their accessories for crying out loud, not extra bits nonessential for gameplay enjoyment that are shoehorned into it anyway *looks at ps3*.

[elcapitan008]

i do need the extras and i have a 360. its a rip-off because hd-dvd players cost 100 dollars. my hd tv is downstairs and my connection is upstairs so i need wi-fi. all in all the only game i play for the 360 is halo, and i am not playing right now. its not bitching its just stating the obvious that the 360 is a rip off and should only be 100 dollars to be the better value

The thing about the player is moot point as there's nearly always a deal out there on the add-on and if necessary there's tons of tutorials on bridge connections with far better connections then the adapter, so your need boils down to convenience, and as always you pay for it (the convenience that is) And your whole point about $100 dollars is really dense as ironically the accesories are overpriced to compensate for the money they're already losing on every console sold (Although I personally believe it to not be nearly as much as others have claimed, but the devision's still been in the red till lately so I digress) And rip off? I'm enjoying my console to this day, sad thing if you can't.


-Seems JJXB already made most of my points in advance, thnx for that-

[Ztype]

Playstation 2 is still the best value this holiday season gaming-wise. $129.99 with a library of hundreds of games with more coming out weekly in the price range of $19.99-$39.99.

You've got King of Fighters XI, Fire Pro Wrestling Returns, Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3, Need For Speed Pro Street, and Smackdown Vs Raw 2008 all coming out next week.

[grapeape]

i do need the extras and i have a 360. its a rip-off because hd-dvd players cost 100 dollars. my hd tv is downstairs and my connection is upstairs so i need wi-fi. all in all the only game i play for the 360 is halo, and i am not playing right now. its not bitching its just stating the obvious that the 360 is a rip off and should only be 100 dollars to be the better value

You need the accessories? You already stated before when you started in your fanboy crusade that you were stuck with a 360 because your brother bought one so you were stuck playing his and you wanted a ps3 as soon as you could get the money. Grow up.

[billysastard]

I think we have all the aces in the pack here

problem is its the duce they also have in the pack that negates anything positive about the machine.

its realy simple, to have a chance this gen they need to compete with nintendo and sony by making a machine that works and more importantly keeps working.

:cool:

EDIT: just a thought but i wonder if it would be possible for someone to write a script that only gave you posting rights in a section once you'd entered your machines serial number that way discussion would be between the owners of that particular console and the fanboys would be locked out, in fact in many cases i think some would be locked out of every section.

[(V)ega]

funny how no xbots are in this topic, since they can't say anything about the 360 being freaking expensive compared to the ps3. oh how times have changed. and next year ps3 will own 360If could be because xbox fans don't feel like getting into a stupid debate. But knowing the stats of this board, you'll get the debate you want sooner or later...lol

[MadMax31]

I really don't think they have all the aces (MS), they're losing too much money with the 3 year warranty, and the problem doesn't seem to be fixed...

As for the accesories, apart from the hard drive an Live Gold, I really don't care, the HD-DVD is a choice, and I like the fact that can be used in a PC, but you really don't need it to enjoy the games, IMHO they should at least make a price cut to the Live gold service, because maybe in the future the PS3 network being free will be able to compete with Live (hope so).

I think Nintendo is the one that has all the aces, they are making profit from the wii, and for next year when the wii sensation begins to fade, I bet they'll make a price cut and / or introduce new accesories (wii fit...:rolleyes:), therefore mantain it fresh.

As for the PS3, well they really don't have much until next year when it gets MGS (if it doen't go multiplatform), and God of war 3, and Grand Turismo 5.

[(V)ega]

I really don't think they have all the aces (MS), they're losing too much money with the 3 year warranty, and the problem doesn't seem to be fixed...

As for the accesories, apart from the hard drive an Live Gold, I really don't care, the HD-DVD is a choice, and I like the fact that can be used in a PC, but you really don't need it to enjoy the games, IMHO they should at least make a price cut to the Live gold service, because maybe in the future the PS3 network being free will be able to compete with Live (hope so).

I think Nintendo is the one that has all the aces, they are making profit from the wii, and for next year when the wii sensation begins to fade, I bet they'll make a price cut and / or introduce new accesories (wii fit...:rolleyes:), therefore mantain it fresh.

As for the PS3, well they really don't have much until next year when it gets MGS (if it doen't go multiplatform), and God of war 3, and Grand Turismo 5.

I used to not be bothered by paying for live as it's a blast to play online and I don't have to keep creating logins for every game I have. My only grip now is the difference between Gold and Silver. It's not like Gold members get anything special for being a gold member. Being able to play online is not enough, there should be special prices for gold members. More free perks like themes and gamer pics and maybe release a demo to gold members 2 weeks before a silver member can get it. I mean anything that would make a gold member feel like that are getting something for over someone who isn't paying anything.

MeGa

[sigma8]

It's great that the 360 has "content" but that content all costs money. How is the 360 a better value, due to its "content", when I have to spend $1000 to buy the 360 and like 13 awesome $60 games.

PS3 doesn't have $700 worth of good games to buy, but at least for the $400 you pay, you're getting a very appealing slab of hardware with many more capabilities than a MS product at the same price point.

All those 360 titles are definitely a selling point in the 360's favor, but this guy doesn't seem to understand the concept of "value". If the iTunes Music Store is the only place I can buy certain tracks online (legally), that doesn't make it a better value...it just makes it my only alternative if I want those tracks.

[cafevincent]

I can't see MS holding any aces whatsoever. Unless you count massive hadware failures and same old realistic games with more polygons and fancy reflections aces. Nintendo is definately holding the aces this christmas. Sony may have an ace in their sleeve. I mean if they figure out a use for PS3 anytime soon.

[segaman1977]

I think the idea of value is all perspective. You can break the hardware down as much as you want "$100 for Wi-Fi", "$50 for Live", yada yada yada, but sometimes there is a base price for needs. I can buy a nice computer for $600 that may be dual core, 2GB Ram, 500GB HD(example). Now even though it may be cost effectiive to spend another $150 to upgrade to 4GB ram, larger monitor, a TB of HD; a person might not need that much power. So why spend the $150 dollars? Even though it may not be cost effective to upgrade later, at least that person can make that choice. The decision to omit certain features will allow MS a lot of flexibility in the future to reduce the cost of the system while the PS3 will be stuck on a plateau. Look at the PS2. Because it used mainstream components, Sony is able to produce a $99 model for next year. The PS3 just has too many components to do such a thing. MS has a lot of potential for consolidating the core unit. Right now, the arcade bundle is really a good buy for gamers that want great graphics but have tight budgets. Also, look at the consequences of having a built in Blu-Ray. Sony fans have more movies to choose from than games. That shouldn't be the case. It's a game console. The PSP has done a lot better since the UMD movie concept was dumped and the focus was shifted to encourage games. And as far as disc capacities, I don't feel it is quite time yet to ditch dvd9. The pc market guides the direction of development, and most developers are still learning new tools and graphical concepts. Even though there will be a few games that can benefit from Blu-Ray's capacity, the majority of games still won't surpass a dvd9 this generation. Besides, multiple discs is not a tragedy. Hell, I had Amiga games on 8 floppies. Wing Commander 3 was on 4 cds. Not an issue.

[Robotron]

Do we expect an MS employee to say anything less?

[JJXB]

segaman, no current games can surpass the old generation of games (i support the idea of abandonware fully :D) but there are some gems that shine.

[Rotmm]

It's great that the 360 has "content" but that content all costs money. How is the 360 a better value, due to its "content", when I have to spend $1000 to buy the 360 and like 13 awesome $60 games.

PS3 doesn't have $700 worth of good games to buy, but at least for the $400 you pay, you're getting a very appealing slab of hardware with many more capabilities than a MS product at the same price point.

If you buy a games machine, "content" is the most important aspect with regards to value for money. Sure, that "content" also costs money, but that means that the games machine (as well as the "content") is being used regularly, which equated to value for money.

Conversely, if you have a games machine that has little in the way of content, then it sits there being unused as a games machine, making it poor value for money. Sure, there are savings to be made in that you are not buying "content" for it, but that just makes the original purchase price of the games machine unattractive.

So, when the top 3 selling Xbox 360 games have sold more copies than the top 50 PS3 games, and the top 10 Xbox 360 games has sold more copies than total PS3 software sales, it's clear which machine offers better value for money as a games console.

[Norlo]

God you fanboys are sad.

Can you just not enjoy your games? Do you actually play any games, or are you constantly posting on forums like this?

I have owned a Premium 360 for just over a year and have to say, it is a great games machine. Live works well and all in all, it's just a really good gaming experience. I would not trade my 360 for anything.

However, I picked up a PS3 last weekend here in the UK, got a 60GB model with PS2 support before they sell out and the 40GB model (sans PS2 support) becomes the only option. Also picked up a couple of games - HS, MotorStorm, Warhawk and have Ratchet and Drake on preorder. It really is a great machine. Feature packed, excellent build quality - and i have enjoyed watching the odd Blu-ray movie - also nice to finally be able to use the 1080p of my TV :)

I do think the PS3 is lacking games - i would have bought more PS3 games that i did if there had been anything else worth getting. But i am happy with what i have PS3 wise, and will look forward to future releases.

The PS3 now sits next to the 360 - both will be used and both machines are great. Both have their strengths and weaknesses (Live is much better than PSN in my experience thus far, but things like the low noise level and overall 'quality' of the PS3 put the 360 in the dark.

I do not care for Sony or Microsoft - both are billion dollar companies who are here to take my money. Both lie, both bend the truth to their own ends, both will try and screw you for as much cash as they can. Neither are my friend, but i love video games, so i buy their systems and play the games. But i am under no illusions about brand loyalty. I do not have any brand loyalty. Because 'brands' do not have customer loyalty. You get what you give.

Can i ask you fanbots one question...

Why do you feel the need to choose a side? Why must it be PS3 or 360?
And why must you, having chosen your side, spend so many wasted hours running the 'other' console down?

You treat these companies as your friend, like being loyal to them will benifit you in someway? Can one of you fanboys explain why you think this, because i just do not get it?

[kidman64]

sure, accessories for 360 are expensive, but there's one thing that 360 is good at - games. Games are the most important factor when buying a GAME CONSOLE :)

[grapeape]

Can i ask you fanbots one question...

Why do you feel the need to choose a side? Why must it be PS3 or 360?
And why must you, having chosen your side, spend so many wasted hours running the 'other' console down?

You treat these companies as your friend, like being loyal to them will benifit you in someway? Can one of you fanboys explain why you think this, because i just do not get it?

You want an honest answer??

Those that either didnt get a a choice because mommy and daddy bought it for them, or they spent a large percentage of their meager income on their console. Either way for economical or situational purposes they have to feel they have the "winning" console.

Those that look at it as a status symbol.

Those that only get a console if its hacked so they can pirate games...err...i mean run "homebrew".

There are those who have some unhealthy loyalty to MS, Nintendo or Sony and put blinders on to anything else.

With the Sony "fans" you have a unique segment of those who modded their console thus voiding their warranty and were either banned from live or had their console fail so they blame MS for their own screwup.

That pretty much sums up the whole gang on all sides.

[Blades]

Now explain how exactly it is a better offering?

You get no online gaming without an additional subscription after your initial purchase.

You get no Wi-Fi without an additional fee of $100 for a Wi-Fi adapter.

You get no HD movie viewing without additional $200 for an HD-DVD add-on.

You get no rechargable controller without an additional purchase of rechargeable batteries or a rechargeable battery kit.

You get a system with a history of hardware failure since it's birth.

PS3 owners get all that I mentioned for just $50 more compared to the $400+ extra it would cost for 360 owners.

Yeah yeah MS... keep telling yourselves that.

Not to mention, me and all my friends think the 360 controller is god awful. No good for any of the games I play. I like where the analogs are positioned on the PS2/PS3 controllers.

Yea, and the PS3 is just swimming with top titles to play.:rolleyes:


I have more titles for my XB360 then I do for my PS3. I also play my 360 a hellava lot more.

"Oh but MGS4 is coming out next year...." how many times do I hear that.

Well thats great and all for MGS4 coming out next year, however I have a PS3 right NOW and I have yet to play a game that really stands out.

Oh well, in the mean time I'll just be happy and play the supposedly"....no good games for it". Like: Halo3, Gears of war, Oblivion, Crackdown, Lost planet, Dead rising, Bioshock, just to name a few. Yep no good games at all....:rolleyes:




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[Blades]

You want an honest answer??

Those that either didnt get a a choice because mommy and daddy bought it for them, or they they a large percentage of their meager income on their console. Either way for economical or situational purposes they have to feel they have the "winning" console.

Those that look at it as a status symbol.

Those that only get a console if its hacked so they can pirate games...err...i mean run "homebrew".

There are those who have some unhealthy loyalty to MS, Nintendo or Sony and put blinders on to anything else.

With the Sony "fans" you have a unique segment of those who modded their console thus voiding their warranty and were either banned from live or had their console fail so they blame MS for their own screwup.

That pretty much sums up the whole gang on all sides.



You are absolutely right. Especially the first answer. I remember I had a Sega Saturn and a Dreamcast. I was just sure those were the ones to have. However, I also knew that there was no way in hell that the Dreamcast was going to win against the PS2. (I still think the Dreamcast played and looked better than the PS2)

Lack of EA games and the fact that it didn't have a DVD player sealed its fate. Also I think that Sega gave up to early.

I have a 360,Ps3 and Wii. I play the 360 the most. The Wii doesn't have enough good games for it. And the PS3 is kind of a joke right now.

I just feel bad for the poor parents that go and buy there kid a $400 PS3 thinking that it will play all the old PS2 games. With MS and Sony's multiple SKU's, it will be difficult this year. At least with MS 5 sku's, all of them are backward compatible with 300+ games. As hard core gamers, we don't really care about backward compatibility, however for the parents that have invested heavily into little Bobby's Xbox or PS2 games for the last 6 years, it IS a big deal.



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If you buy a games machine, "content" is the most important aspect with regards to value for money. Sure, that "content" also costs money, but that means that the games machine (as well as the "content") is being used regularly, which equated to value for money.

Conversely, if you have a games machine that has little in the way of content, then it sits there being unused as a games machine, making it poor value for money. Sure, there are savings to be made in that you are not buying "content" for it, but that just makes the original purchase price of the games machine unattractive.
Um, sorry. You still don't address my analogy of the iTunes Music store. Other online music stores have offered tracks for less money, but have had much less selection. Would you still say that iTMS was a better value? How is music for 80 cents a track a worse value than music for 99 cents a track? The issue is not value, it's availability and monopoly. The fact that most applications are written for Windows does not mean Windows is a better "value" than Linux, which is free. However, it does mean that Windows may be your only viable choice, if you need to run a piece of software that requires it.

You, too, are mistaking value with priorities. Just because you prioritize something, doesn't mean you are getting the most for your money. Priorities can be crazy. You are prioritizing game library, for instance. Well, that's just you! Granted, and many others...but it's certainly not everyone. Maybe another person just REALLY wants to play Heavenly Sword. Or wants a blu-ray player. For them the Xbox360 is a low priority. I'd call it a "bad value", but this isn't a question about worth, it's a question of what you're looking for...which is independent of money value.

I guess we're talking about personal values versus money values. You can "value" the Xbox360 as much as you want, but if you're talking about personal values, that is going to vary wildly from person to person to the extent that it's almost meaningless. Monetary value is constant, and easier to discuss.

[Rotmm]

Monetary value is constant, and easier to discuss.

Which was my point. It seems that it's you that is attaching personal value to the products you're discussing. Value for money is defined by monetary cost vs usage. Using your argument, the person who spends $500 on a PS3 and Heavenly Sword is getting bad value for money, as it's an expensive purchase for a few hours of use. Conversely, the same person who spends $500 on a PS3 and Call of Duty 4 will, if they utilise the online play also, get far more usage out of the product and therefore it becomes an inherently better value proposition.

Your iTunes analogy also doesn't make much sense. I don't have an iPod or iTunes, so I'll take your word on it that there's a larger music library. So if someone is looking for a MP3 player with access to a large music library, and if access to that large library means they will use the iPod on a more regular basis, then of course the product offers better value than maybe a competing product that could be cheaper, but also used less.

If someone buys a car because they hear it has a great stereo, but doesn't have any interest in driving, then that is less of a value proposition than a person who buys a car with an ordinary stereo but drives 10,000 miles a year. If someone buys a PS3 to watch the occasional Blu-Ray movie, then that is less of a value proposition than the person who buys a 360 to play games on a regular basis.

Simple really.

[grd94533]

Halo3, Gears of war, Oblivion, Crackdown, Lost planet, Dead rising, Bioshock, just to name a few. Yep no good games at all....:rolleyes:;

First of all Gears of War is the only "good" game, the rest are either o.k. or sucks ****.
Second it took a year for these games to come out on the 360. How long has the PS3 been out?

My point is the 360 had **** for the first year and everyone seems to forget that. Now it's been a year since the PS3 release and now the titles are starting to look really good.
It seems to me that the more advance the game systems get, the longer it takes the developers to make games for it. That's something we all are going to have to live with.