Newly repaired Xbox 360's come back with an even bigger heatsink

[Zeus]

We have been informed that newly repaired Xbox 360 units from the MS repair center are coming back with much bigger heatsinks. The following pictures sent in by Artik from Logic-Sunrise show the difference between the old heatsink (top left) and the new one (all the rest). This is a move from MS to prevent the dreaded RRoD from happening time and time again.

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[darkvokhens]

i think they're just using new heatsinks cuz they ran out of old ones

[iratasan]

wow, that's one big-a*s-heatsink. hopefully this will fix the problem.

[neilpatel]

whats the point, isnt rlod caused by the gpu/cpu disconnecting form the xbox. Why dont the just use the xclamp mint works fine, surely it would save them money.

[BSotM]

this is just the new cpu heatsink they use on the falcon. nothing new.
same news as months ago ...

[kidman64]

this is just the new cpu heatsink they use on the falcon. nothing new.
same news as months ago ...

exactly.. MC crew should do some research before posting things like that

[SSChevy2001]

( darkvokhens, iratasan, and neilpatel ) I'm shocked you guys don't know a falcon mb when you see it, the heatsink is a dead giveaway. Also you can see the 2 inductors instead of 3 and falcon mb don't use X-Clamps. This is a great sign that MS is putting there foot down on RROD problems.

[0 morgan 0]

whats the point, isnt rlod caused by the gpu/cpu disconnecting form the xbox. Why dont the just use the xclamp mint works fine, surely it would save them money.

Woah careful :) not disconecting as such... just the heatsink on top of the CPU is not making as much contact as it should.

Its impossible for the CPU/GPU to disconnect from the board as they are physically attached unlike a PC CPU which is clamped in.

[cory149]

Woah careful :) not disconecting as such... just the heatsink on top of the CPU is not making as much contact as it should.

Its impossible for the CPU/GPU to disconnect from the board as they are physically attached unlike a PC CPU which is clamped in.
No, its not impossible. The chips are BGA mounted, meaning any flex to the board can damage the contacts they are attached to which is what seems to be happening when the chips get really hot (the board warps). Bigger heatsinks and more power efficient dies may well help alleviate the problem, but between the odd clamp design putting uneven pressure on the pcb, a fairly thin multilayer board and overly high chip temps - bigger heatsinks are at best a patch wrather than a real fix-all.

[dennis872007]

( darkvokhens, iratasan, and neilpatel ) I'm shocked you guys don't know a falcon mb when you see it, the heatsink is a dead giveaway. Also you can see the 2 inductors instead of 3 and falcon mb don't use X-Clamps. This is a great sign that MS is putting there foot down on RROD problems.


too bad its two years later. for years to come people will have screwed up refurbished machines that heated up and crapped out

[SSChevy2001]

too bad its two years later. for years to come people will have screwed up refurbished machines that heated up and crapped outHonestly your right MS been playing game for to long with the RROD problem. The 360 community has told MS time and time again that the X-Clamps are causing the problem, and now finally there gone on the falcons rev. Of course there are plenty of older models still with them, but hopefully once a repair is needed the X-Clamps will be removed. Still if anything MS is getting screwed out of footing the bill until the problems gone and of course it's a inconvenience to be waiting for that repair. Atleast maybe now things are on the right track.

[Frak-Frakistan]

the RROD is stick to your a$$ like a xbots's mouth sticks to microshaft's c0ck.

It can never go away until the dipshits at microshit admit they have a problem and redesign this fagbox

[kidman64]

uhm.. they admitted xbox 360 has problems and then they introduced that 3-year warranty for 3lod.

[InsaneNutter]

the RROD is stick to your a$$ like a xbots's mouth sticks to microshaft's c0ck.

It can never go away until the dipshits at microshit admit they have a problem and redesign this fagbox

I could reply to that and say the PS3 needs a redesign so games can get more than 10FPS :p but to be honest i dont think that.

Have you ever gone back and read all the crap you talk? http://forums.maxconsole.net/search.php?searchid=1819623 if your honestly more than 10 years old i woud be very shocked :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[LordX]

Not much new , just new motherboard , new 65nm CPU Heatsink ( without pipe = lower cost = less cooling performance ).
it will NOT Help against overheating ( GPU RROD ) :rolleyes:
Check out this image so you can see the deference :

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1310880_newcpuhs.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

like you can see this is just new CPU Heatsink ,...
and GPU Heatsink addon is same :(

[mmicrosysm]

Not much new , just new motherboard , new 65nm CPU Heatsink ( without pipe = lower cost = less cooling performance ).
it will NOT Help against overheating ( GPU RROD ) :rolleyes:
Check out this image so you can see the deference :

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1310880_newcpuhs.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

like you can see this is just new CPU Heatsink ,...
and GPU Heatsink addon is same :(Exactly, again they (MS) are not addressing the problem! :mad:

[grapeape]

Exactly, again they (MS) are not addressing the problem! :mad:

But you didnt bother to notice that it was also a different board??

[dennis872007]

Honestly your right MS been playing game for to long with the RROD problem. The 360 community has told MS time and time again that the X-Clamps are causing the problem, and now finally there gone on the falcons rev. Of course there are plenty of older models still with them, but hopefully once a repair is needed the X-Clamps will be removed. Still if anything MS is getting screwed out of footing the bill until the problems gone and of course it's a inconvenience to be waiting for that repair. Atleast maybe now things are on the right track.

hopefully, but i doubt it. i now when my 360 craps out i better get a new console and not an old one without the hdmi port.

[cokemusic1]

Surely a bigger heatsink won't correct the faulty design ?

And if Ms have made a new mobo that is free of faults shoudln't MS be liable to replace all existing XBOX's under the health and safety act ? surely selling faulty consoles intentionaly or not is violating the law.

[SSChevy2001]

Not much new , just new motherboard , new 65nm CPU Heatsink ( without pipe = lower cost = less cooling performance ).
it will NOT Help against overheating ( GPU RROD )Exactly, again they (MS) are not addressing the problem!Surely a bigger heatsink won't correct the faulty design ?

And if Ms have made a new mobo that is free of faults shoudln't MS be liable to replace all existing XBOX's under the health and safety act ? surely selling faulty consoles intentionaly or not is violating the law.Again most of the problems are with the X-Clamps that are used. Check any forum and you find tutorials on how to replace the x-clamp. The falcon motherboard only removes heat from the cpu now that it's 65nm, but the gpu is still 90nm. MS will repair 360 as needed while the units still under the 3 yr warranty.

hopefully, but i doubt it. i now when my 360 craps out i better get a new console and not an old one without the hdmi port.I think billy boy wants this problem solved. As far as getting a falcon as a replacement, I doubt it, but HDMI version maybe.

[LordX]

Exactly, again they (MS) are not addressing the problem!
This new CPU Heatsink have nothing to do with RROD .
But new GPU Heatsink very helping ! I am happy they did this addon.

But you didnt bother to notice that it was also a different board??
Yes "OLD" photo is old motherboard without HDMI just they add new GPU Heatsink, and "NEW" one have HDMI and new GPU Heatsink.

Surely a bigger heatsink won't correct the faulty design ?
Sure bigger heatsink will help , but for GPU not for CPU :)

Again most of the problems are with the X-Clamps that are used
a problem is NOT in the X-Clamps , replaceing the X-Clamps with screws is extreme solution, but it works ;)

but the gpu is still 90nm
Yes :( , 65nm GPU will fix RROD for 100% !!! or use better cooling for GPU like bigger GPU heatsink or Active cooling on GPU , or Thermoelectric cooling ;)

I think billy boy wants this problem solved. As far as getting a falcon as a replacement, I doubt it, but HDMI version maybe.
New HDMI models with new GPU heatsink working not bad.

[gonepostl]

But you didnt bother to notice that it was also a different board??

So what? Same failure rate. I guess it's true. You can't polish a turd