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Zeus
10-26-2007, 04:18 PM
A Wal-Mart spokeswoman has confirmed that the company has reduced the price of the HD DVD Toshiba player to $198 earlier this week. She stated that it is happening right now and that is all she can say for the time being and doesn't want to give away plans for the Holiday season.


“We reduced our HD DVD Toshiba player, the generation-two, to $198 earlier in the week,” Wal-Mart spokeswoman Melissa O’Brien confirmed. “It’s happening now, and that’s really all I can tell you. We don’t give any information on what we’re planning to do for the holidays. We know HD DVD and Blu-ray are going to be popular items this holiday season for some of our customers. … They will be more popular this year than they were in previous years.”


News Source: <A href="http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/10/25/hd-dvd-vs-blu-ray-wal-mart-offers-toshiba-player-for-under-200/" target="_blank">CNN</A>

Jonny3k1
10-26-2007, 04:19 PM
your mom confirmed it last night............holy **** anyone else wants to?

miserabillis
10-26-2007, 04:21 PM
your mom confirmed it last night............holy **** anyone else wants to?
so what he posted twice dont klik..and last time he posted it was not confirmed 100% it was just a pic from some guy

DrEggman
10-26-2007, 04:51 PM
But the question is...will it blend?

The real deal is the Bestbuy HD-DVD addon for 360 this week. for $179, you get the 1st season of Heros, 2 movies of your choice, mail-in for 5 free movies, and King Kong. You could sell the movies and get the drive for free if you wanted to. Still, great deal to end the format war in your living room. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

medski
10-26-2007, 05:05 PM
the fastest way to drop the format war would be for HD DVD to concede defeat... they are just dragging on the inevitable... Bluray came out later and still has the majority of sales! After 40 GB PS3 is out... it's over!

cardboardbox
10-26-2007, 05:18 PM
Blu-ray has outsold Hd-dvd every week this year including this week when Transformers was released. The next few weeks should be a landslide in favor of Blu-ray with Spiderman 3 and Pirates 3 coming out.

sigma8
10-26-2007, 05:20 PM
the fastest way to drop the format war would be for HD DVD to concede defeat... they are just dragging on the inevitable... Bluray came out later and still has the majority of sales! After 40 GB PS3 is out... it's over!

Eh. I'm just weary of it all. Let them fight and mess up the market for a couple years. I honestly don't really care anymore. I'm just going to be buying movies mainly on blu-ray, but as soon as a HD-DVD player hits $99, I'll buy one. And for must-have movies that are exclusive, I'll get those.

And if the tables turn, that strategy barely changes, except for buying less blu-ray discs.

KPunk
10-26-2007, 05:48 PM
hmm, this is an awesome deal for a standalone player.

dennis872007
10-26-2007, 05:50 PM
Eh. I'm just weary of it all. Let them fight and mess up the market for a couple years. I honestly don't really care anymore. I'm just going to be buying movies mainly on blu-ray, but as soon as a HD-DVD player hits $99, I'll buy one. And for must-have movies that are exclusive, I'll get those.

And if the tables turn, that strategy barely changes, except for buying less blu-ray discs.


i'll buy a hd dvd player once it hits the 150 dollar mark for the 1080p.

borbeatss
10-26-2007, 06:48 PM
A Wal-Mart spokeswoman has confirmed that the company has reduced the price of the HD DVD Toshiba player to $198 earlier this week. She stated that it is happening right now and that is all she can say for the time being and doesn't want to give away plans for the Holiday season.



News Source: <A href="http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/10/25/hd-dvd-vs-blu-ray-wal-mart-offers-toshiba-player-for-under-200/" target="_blank">CNN</A>

This means almost every OTHER HD-DVD player will go down in price. Specifically the 360 one as you NEED a 360 to use it.

kickinass
10-26-2007, 07:08 PM
Eh. I'm just weary of it all. Let them fight and mess up the market for a couple years. I honestly don't really care anymore. I'm just going to be buying movies mainly on blu-ray, but as soon as a HD-DVD player hits $99, I'll buy one. And for must-have movies that are exclusive, I'll get those.

And if the tables turn, that strategy barely changes, except for buying less blu-ray discs.

Or you could just be like us pirates and download all your movies in 720p-1080p. This is the best way since they come in wmv format and the 360 can stream them natively. :)

dennis872007
10-26-2007, 07:10 PM
Or you could just be like us pirates and download all your movies in 720p-1080p. This is the best way since they come in wmv format and the 360 can stream them natively. :)


how big is the size of the movies?

cardboardbox
10-26-2007, 07:27 PM
Or you could just be like us pirates and download all your movies in 720p-1080p. This is the best way since they come in wmv format and the 360 can stream them natively. :)do you use tversity? I've never been able to get that to work. And streaming the .wmv files didn't work very well either.

Y2Bogus
10-26-2007, 08:03 PM
Blu-ray has outsold Hd-dvd every week this year including this week when Transformers was released. The next few weeks should be a landslide in favor of Blu-ray with Spiderman 3 and Pirates 3 coming out.

Using that logic, Sony should just drop out of the console market as Wii has outsold it every week since it came out. And a greater margin than Blu Ray is outselling HD-DVD

cardboardbox
10-26-2007, 08:08 PM
Using that logic, Sony should just drop out of the console market as Wii has outsold it every week since it came out. And a greater margin than Blu Ray is outselling HD-DVDWii sales are not going to determine which high def format wins. Try again.

pwntendo
10-26-2007, 08:25 PM
Same crap as +R and -R. Two formats cause market confusion amoung consumers. We end up with two formats and players/recorders that do both. If anyone truly believes there will be a "winner" in this format war you're in for a surprise.

billysastard
10-26-2007, 08:36 PM
Wii sales are not going to determine which high def format wins. Try again.


whilst that is true its only true to a point the blu-raystation3 is pretty much the only thing keeping blu-ray in the market as far as hardware goes and as people see it getting destroyed by the wii in the games market its seen more and more of a failure by the general public, once that happens and people go to buy a hd player, sure they will see the blu-raystation3 at $400 and the hd-dvd player at $199 then they will consider all they have seen on tv and in the press about how the blu-raystation 3 is failing and opt for hd-dvd instead.

for blu-ray to succeeed the ps3 must succeed not just amongst us early adopters but amongst the general public, seeing it fail in one market (games) will surely kill it in the other (movies) or vice versa.

Blades
10-26-2007, 09:56 PM
Well, I think this was brought up ealier this year and Wal-Mart denied it. Here it is Christmas Time and a HD player is 200 bucks.

While I understand that Blu-ray is out selling HD. What people need to realize that this is being sold in Wal-Mart. The king of discounts, and the most influential store out there. People shop at Wal-mart for the price 1st and quality 2nd. Thats' the way it is, and always has been, don't try to tell me otherwise. A move like this has easily put HD-DVD as a stronger competitor then before.

For people not in the KNOW or who hasn't read up on it. When they go and shop at Wal-mart for there entertainment center. A $200 HD-DVD player is going to sound a lot better then a $400 blu-ray player, to play on their newly boughten ILO LCD TV they picked up from Wal-mart. Especially given the state of a tight money economy that we have right now. (high gas etc..etc..)

Fates of many products have been decided because of Wal-mart and their aggressive discounts. Blu-ray camp better retaliate fast as HD is the theme this year, however so is price. As seen by the stripped down version of the 40 gig PS3.

No matter what the outcome is, it would be foolish, Especially since the players have gotten cheaper, to write HD-DVD out of the picture anytime soon.

I'm personally waiting for the Dual compatibility players to come down in price. That way, I can buy whatever the hell I want too without worrying about any compatibility issues. :D




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JonathanD
10-26-2007, 11:11 PM
Well, I think this was brought up ealier this year and Wal-Mart denied it. Here it is Christmas Time and a HD player is 200 bucks.

While I understand that Blu-ray is out selling HD. What people need to realize that this is being sold in Wal-Mart. The king of discounts, and the most influential store out there. People shop at Wal-mart for the price 1st and quality 2nd. Thats' the way it is, and always has been, don't try to tell me otherwise. A move like this has easily put HD-DVD as a stronger competitor then before.

For people not in the KNOW or who hasn't read up on it. When they go and shop at Wal-mart for there entertainment center. A $200 HD-DVD player is going to sound a lot better then a $400 blu-ray player, to play on their newly boughten ILO LCD TV they picked up from Wal-mart. Especially given the state of a tight money economy that we have right now. (high gas etc..etc..)

Fates of many products have been decided because of Wal-mart and their aggressive discounts. Blu-ray camp better retaliate fast as HD is the theme this year, however so is price. As seen by the stripped down version of the 40 gig PS3.

No matter what the outcome is, it would be foolish, Especially since the players have gotten cheaper, to write HD-DVD out of the picture anytime soon.

I'm personally waiting for the Dual compatibility players to come down in price. That way, I can buy whatever the hell I want too without worrying about any compatibility issues. :D




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Hit the nail pretty much on the head so to speak. This war will be decided on price alone.

BTW this is nearly the price for an impulse buy, and definitely in the price range for a Christmas present.

Mikeyy
10-26-2007, 11:48 PM
Well, I think this was brought up ealier this year and Wal-Mart denied it. Here it is Christmas Time and a HD player is 200 bucks.

While I understand that Blu-ray is out selling HD. What people need to realize that this is being sold in Wal-Mart. The king of discounts, and the most influential store out there. People shop at Wal-mart for the price 1st and quality 2nd. Thats' the way it is, and always has been, don't try to tell me otherwise. A move like this has easily put HD-DVD as a stronger competitor then before.

For people not in the KNOW or who hasn't read up on it. When they go and shop at Wal-mart for there entertainment center. A $200 HD-DVD player is going to sound a lot better then a $400 blu-ray player, to play on their newly boughten ILO LCD TV they picked up from Wal-mart. Especially given the state of a tight money economy that we have right now. (high gas etc..etc..)

Fates of many products have been decided because of Wal-mart and their aggressive discounts. Blu-ray camp better retaliate fast as HD is the theme this year, however so is price. As seen by the stripped down version of the 40 gig PS3.

No matter what the outcome is, it would be foolish, Especially since the players have gotten cheaper, to write HD-DVD out of the picture anytime soon.

I'm personally waiting for the Dual compatibility players to come down in price. That way, I can buy whatever the hell I want too without worrying about any compatibility issues. :D




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How many times have you HDDVD nuts said this. "We are stonger now" and you still get crushed by Blu-ray. You keep pushing Less then HD products on people and you will never win.

Secondly, Walmart is not the priemier source of all things HD. Nice try. Blockbuster sealed this deal long ago. Bestbuy focuses more on Blu-ray, Ect.

The most influental thing is Disney. They utterly doomed HDDVD.

HDDVD also lost Audiophiles, No 7.1 surround in Transformers.

Toshiba can steal peoples money with cheap players, but they cant deliver the movies. The movies are all on blu-ray.

See you Next month when you predict the sudden death of blu-ray AGAIN...

Blades
10-27-2007, 12:54 AM
How many times have you HDDVD nuts said this. "We are stonger now" and you still get crushed by Blu-ray. You keep pushing Less then HD products on people and you will never win.

Secondly, Walmart is not the priemier source of all things HD. Nice try. Blockbuster sealed this deal long ago. Bestbuy focuses more on Blu-ray, Ect.

The most influental thing is Disney. They utterly doomed HDDVD.

HDDVD also lost Audiophiles, No 7.1 surround in Transformers.

Toshiba can steal peoples money with cheap players, but they cant deliver the movies. The movies are all on blu-ray.

See you Next month when you predict the sudden death of blu-ray AGAIN...


Again, another simpleton casually dismissing HD-DVD. You don't know who I am nor did I say that I am a total HD-DVD buff.

You say Wal-mart is not a major source of all things HD? Apparently you misinterpreted what I was writing about, as other people seemed to have gotten it.

No, Wal-Mart is not the "all things HD", however, Wal-mart gets more Price aware/Budget people going through their store than any Blockbuster/Best Buy/Circuit City etc... DAILY.

People/Family's on a budget are more likely to buy at Wal-Mart than other places. Now I don't know if you are familiar with Wal-Mart at all:rolleyes:, but they are in the business for Low price electronics and the VOLUME of people that go though there store. Which in turn gets those electronics more exposure than most other stores.

Which comes back to my original statement, The Family on a budget who just bought the 26" ILO LCD 720p TV at Wal-Mart and wants that HD experience, will more likely pair it with a $200 HD-DVD player then a $400 Blu-Ray Player. Price first, quality second. That is what Wal-Mart is about.

Did I say that HD-DVD is going to win? No, I didn't, however, you'd be ignorant to think that they aren't competition. I think that this war is going to last a lot longer than Blu-ray and company expected. And Yes, Blu-Ray is selling well, but I think HD-DVD is doing better than people expected.

But perhaps I am wrong, because you've obviously have some insight into the future. As I, myself, have not had enough time to dust off my crystal ball yet. :rolleyes:




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grapeape
10-27-2007, 01:00 AM
How many times have you HDDVD nuts said this. "We are stonger now" and you still get crushed by Blu-ray. You keep pushing Less then HD products on people and you will never win.

Secondly, Walmart is not the priemier source of all things HD. Nice try. Blockbuster sealed this deal long ago. Bestbuy focuses more on Blu-ray, Ect.

The most influental thing is Disney. They utterly doomed HDDVD.

HDDVD also lost Audiophiles, No 7.1 surround in Transformers.

Toshiba can steal peoples money with cheap players, but they cant deliver the movies. The movies are all on blu-ray.

See you Next month when you predict the sudden death of blu-ray AGAIN...

Must be different in Bestbuy near you...around here the focus is still dvd with very small sections for both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

As for disney...how many parents by their disney aged kids HD TV's and Blu-Ray players for the bedrooms?

I dont think the HD-DVD folks are worried too much about the high end audiophiles if they made a difference DAT, DVDA, MiniDisc and other fidelity superior technologies would have taken off.

It has nothing to do with Blu-Ray dying but more with neither of them doing much at all so far. A low cost player from either side at least makes going hd worth concidering to a larger group of people.

dwrecording
10-27-2007, 03:02 AM
and to bring up dat and minidisk, i have all my band **** recored on sony dat and minidisk recorders with no DRM. and guess what they changed DRM again so i can not get my songs off the players with there new software. just like BR :mad: If people new the **** you had to do to play the newest BR movies they would get HDDVD in a min. Bestbuy worker>(I know you just got this player but you need a firmware update to play that movie) and the lady at the store would say (what the hell are you talking about?) Any way no one will ever win and besides that BR is so dead already as far as storage. They have disk that can wright 3.9 TB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

rezine39
10-27-2007, 05:42 AM
Must be different in Bestbuy near you...around here the focus is still dvd with very small sections for both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

As for disney...how many parents by their disney aged kids HD TV's and Blu-Ray players for the bedrooms?

I dont think the HD-DVD folks are worried too much about the high end audiophiles if they made a difference DAT, DVDA, MiniDisc and other fidelity superior technologies would have taken off.

It has nothing to do with Blu-Ray dying but more with neither of them doing much at all so far. A low cost player from either side at least makes going hd worth concidering to a larger group of people.

I'm sorry but he is sort of right about Disney, they own a quite a bit of studio's . Also their TV networks which house a lot of popular series. You can't just say their just a child's company.

grapeape
10-27-2007, 01:08 PM
I'm sorry but he is sort of right about Disney, they own a quite a bit of studio's . Also their TV networks which house a lot of popular series. You can't just say their just a child's company.

Oh I agree that Disney will be a big deal...years from now but at the moment Disney/Buena Vista's biggest sellers are their animated features and most of those are bought for kids. I just dont think either format is going to matter by the time enough people have HD for HD owners to be anywhere close to a majority.

So-Unreal
10-27-2007, 02:38 PM
CircuitCity beats Walmart with 'sub'-$200 HD DVD player

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/10/27/circuitcity-beats-walmart-with-sub-200-hd-dvd-player

Blades
10-27-2007, 03:09 PM
CircuitCity beats Walmart with 'sub'-$200 HD DVD player

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/10/27/circuitcity-beats-walmart-with-sub-200-hd-dvd-player

LOL.... well we'll see how long that will last when Wal-Mart will lower there price a penny under, just so they can say they have the lowest price.





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Y2Bogus
10-27-2007, 05:24 PM
Wii sales are not going to determine which high def format wins. Try again.

I wasn't talking about HDformats I was talking about a failed game console, PoS3

billysastard
10-28-2007, 01:48 AM
How many times have you HDDVD nuts said this. "We are stonger now" and you still get crushed by Blu-ray. You keep pushing Less then HD products on people and you will never win.

Secondly, Walmart is not the priemier source of all things HD. Nice try. Blockbuster sealed this deal long ago. Bestbuy focuses more on Blu-ray, Ect.

The most influental thing is Disney. They utterly doomed HDDVD.

HDDVD also lost Audiophiles, No 7.1 surround in Transformers.

Toshiba can steal peoples money with cheap players, but they cant deliver the movies. The movies are all on blu-ray.

See you Next month when you predict the sudden death of blu-ray AGAIN...

ok lets try again, no, i'm not an hd nut although i do have some hd equipment most of my stuff around the house is SD, however if one format has to win for the sake of consumers it has to be hd-dvd, one world region (ie regionfree) and a far less draconian drm system wins it for me. my hd-dvd player plays 1080p (a toshiba), my dvd player does 1080i, i'm told that my playstation 3 plays blu-ray, but as its a games console i have no need or intention of trying it after all i can buy prettty much any "blu-ray exclusive" on hd-dvd from another country.

walmart / asda are not the hd leaders but like them or loathe them they shift a shitload of electronics and have a vast number of people through the door meaning more of the general public see hd-dvd.

the most anti consumer is disney so of course they will support blu-ray as long as possible, pity all their movies are available elsewhere on region free hd-dvd anyway if people want them.

no 7.1 audio on transformers, tell me, just what audio is on the blu-ray version? oh, thats right 0.0 and even if it was available in another country on blu-ray you couldnt play it as it region locked.

toshiba didnt steal my money, i wanted an hd-dvd player and i bought one, sony however did steal my money, i wanted a games machine and they wouldnt sell me one unless i bought an unwanted, overpriced, region locked, drm infested blu-ray player which means that if i'd actualy wanted to use the blu-raystation 3 for movies i'd be limited to what sony, disney and fox would allow me to see in the uk instead of a whole world of movies on hd-dvd.

never mind next month i'll no doubt see you next week just after more news breaks with yet more good news about hd-dvd, in the meantime you can return to defending a system whos latest discs wont even play untill users download a firmware upgrade that isnt available.



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billysastard
10-28-2007, 01:55 AM
As for disney...how many parents by their disney aged kids HD TV's and Blu-Ray players for the bedrooms?


i agree with just about everything you have posted in this thread except this, of course most kids wont have an hd tv in their rooms (unless they are the kind of "kids" who still live in their parents basement), however since sony are forcing a blu-ray player on everyone who buys a playstation 3 i can see many parents having a blu-ray player plugged into their childrens sdtv, after all, thats what happens here if we adults have managed to "seize" the wii's they kids are left playing motorstorm on the sdtv in their bedroom, they know the 360 is not allowed out of the front room in order to keep it limping along untill ms have a working version to replace it with.



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felixm477
10-29-2007, 07:34 AM
Must be different in Bestbuy near you...around here the focus is still dvd with very small sections for both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

As for disney...how many parents by their disney aged kids HD TV's and Blu-Ray players for the bedrooms?

I dont think the HD-DVD folks are worried too much about the high end audiophiles if they made a difference DAT, DVDA, MiniDisc and other fidelity superior technologies would have taken off.

It has nothing to do with Blu-Ray dying but more with neither of them doing much at all so far. A low cost player from either side at least makes going hd worth concidering to a larger group of people.

i would like to know where he got the idea blockbuster is so powerful it seals any deal? last i checked blockbuster has been closing its stores little by little and has been pretty much barely avoiding closing down becoming the k-mart of rental stores. walmart has more impact on the consumer than any blockbuster.

dwrecording
10-31-2007, 10:20 AM
I have a block buster about 200 feet away from my house but i use net flix. that and blockbuster would say i did not take movies back every week and try to charge me. Then i switched to hollywood vid and they change owners and they are just as bad now. So new flix for the last year its been and love it.

PS the blockbuster by my house is going under.