Bungie Confirms Halo 3 runs at 640fps, shortchanged you by 80 pixels

[Zeus]

Bungie has confirmed that it indeed shortchanged Halo 3 gamers by 80 pixels as the game runs at 640p, however they say things are a bit more complicated than that. Technically seeing as Halo 3 uses two frame buffers which render at 1152x640 pixels, it could be accepted that Bungie are giving you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution.


One item making the interwebs rounds this week was the scandalous revelation that Halo 3 runs at “640p” which isn’t even technically a resolution. However, the interweb detectives did notice that Halo 3’s vertical resolution, when captured from a frame buffer, is indeed 640 pixels. So what gives? Did we short change you 80 pixels?

Naturally it’s more complicated than that. In fact, you could argue we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers – both of which render at 1152x640 pixels. The reason we chose this slightly unorthodox resolution and this very complex use of two buffers is simple enough to see – lighting. We wanted to preserve as much dynamic range as possible – so we use one for the high dynamic range and one for the low dynamic range values. Both are combined to create the finished on screen image.

This ability to display a full range of HDR, combined with our advanced lighting, material and postprocessing engine, gives our scenes, large and small, a compelling, convincing and ultimately “real” feeling, and at a steady and smooth frame rate, which in the end was far more important to us than the ability to display a few extra pixels. Making this decision simpler still is the fact that the 360 scales the“almost-720p” image effortlessly all the way up to 1080p if you so desire.

In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it’s practically impossible to discern the difference. We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet’s propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven’t mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings.


News Source: <A href="http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12821" target="_blank">Bungie.net</a>

[XxBigP123xX]

640fps:eek: ps3 will never do that!:)

[sigma8]

Um, yeah it's "like" 1280 vertical lines of resolution...except that you get more jaggies instead of less. It was the more clearly pronounced jaggies that allowed that person to discover the unorthodox resolution in the first place.

This is a great effort at spin, but Bungie is basically saying that all their fancy lighting is slowing down the engine, so they had to lower the output resolution.

[Thinkdiff]

640fps:eek: ps3 will never do that!:)

Was that sarcastic or are you really that dumb?

640 is a resolution, not frames per second.

Edit: Whoops, just noticed the title.. Comments retracted.

[rezine39]

Was that sarcastic or are you really that dumb?

640 is a resolution, not frames per second.

Before you go calling people dumb. Read what Zeus's headline is.

[XxBigP123xX]

Was that sarcastic or are you really that dumb?

640 is a resolution, not frames per second.

are you serious:confused:

[rivlez]

wtf 640FPS!!!!! **** this ****, i'm selling my pc right now

[AceMilo]

I don't understand how this could possibly be a big deal. Everyone knows no game console can run 1900 x 1080 natively, not the 360, not the ps3, nothing. It takes some obscene video cards and processors on pc's to achieve that high a resolution at acceptable frame rates. All games are upscaled, even the "true hd" ps3. As long as they can upscale it properly to 1080p resolution, they can put that sticker on the box. Microsoft does it, sony does, its no big deal, as long as the games look good no one should care. The only reason you see this coming out now is ppl trying to bring down halo.

[Thinkdiff]

are you serious:confused:

Hahahaha.. How could I miss that! looks like Zeus is the dumb one, lol.

Sorry for the mistake.

[DaFireStarter]

Isn't Halo 3 suppose to play at 1080p? Just proves my point that the limiting factor for the PS3 and 360 is the graphics.

[JacKz5o]

I'm not surprised... this is why I will never play on a console except for maybe a Wii.

[blade47167]

I don't understand how this could possibly be a big deal. Everyone knows no game console can run 1900 x 1080 natively, not the 360, not the ps3, nothing. It takes some obscene video cards and processors on pc's to achieve that high a resolution at acceptable frame rates. All games are upscaled, even the "true hd" ps3. As long as they can upscale it properly to 1080p resolution, they can put that sticker on the box. Microsoft does it, sony does, its no big deal, as long as the games look good no one should care. The only reason you see this coming out now is ppl trying to bring down halo.

Ridge Racer 7 for the PS3 says hi.

And now the links to all the dumbasses who posted in the other thread that can now insert fist into mouth for doubting B3d and spouting off "Sh*T" that they know nothing about it.

Knaledge
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=699525&postcount=29

Soldiers On LSD
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=699027&postcount=9

thebox
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=700021&postcount=3

[SSChevy2001]

Try shortchanged us by 184,320 pixels.

Halo 3 = 80% HD or 36% True HD
Halo 3 Splitscreen = 60% HD or 27% True HD

[grapeape]

I'm not surprised... this is why I will never play on a console except for maybe a Wii.

Well at least with the Wii you wont have to worry...you can guarantee they wont be pushing out games at 640p.

[Raist3d]

I don't understand how this could possibly be a big deal. Everyone knows no game console can run 1900 x 1080 natively, not the 360, not the ps3, nothing. It takes some obscene video cards and processors on pc's to achieve that high a resolution at acceptable frame rates. All games are upscaled, even the "true hd" ps3. As long as they can upscale it properly to 1080p resolution, they can put that sticker on the box. Microsoft does it, sony does, its no big deal, as long as the games look good no one should care. The only reason you see this coming out now is ppl trying to bring down halo.

Actually you are quite incorrect. Theres a couple of PS3 games running at true 1080p (and not bashing the 360 which I am sure can do a couple of games at that too). Geforce 7800/7900 cards were running games in that high res on PC's for a while, so a PS3 with a Cell should be more than capable to run similar games in that realm.

- Raist

[slaveunit]

I dont see how people say this game has jagged edges. IT might if your TV is crap and has a sh*t processor in it. I see NO jaggies on the 50" Panasonic plasma I play it on.

[sigma8]

I dont see how people say this game has jagged edges. IT might if your TV is crap and has a sh*t processor in it. I see NO jaggies on the 50" Panasonic plasma I play it on.

Sorry. I shouldn't say the game was exhibiting nasty jaggies, just that it was MORE jagged than it should have been, due to the lower resolution. Whether or not you see the jaggies will depend on your screen size and your distance from the screen. Even 1080p will have jaggies if the you're close enough to a big screen.

I was only pointing out that it's BS for Bungie to make some stupid claim that they're really providing some kind of quasi-1280p, which is definitely not the case.

[maxRus]

That probably Explains the Video Cutting off at the sides when playing Split Screen??? It does not so it in 480P. It does it on 1080i on my TV though. Not that big of a deal, But this gives PS3ers some Fuel though.

[Roll3r]

Holy jesus, this just *ruins* Halo for me. I mean, it's a fun game, but since graphics are everything, it's going back to Gamestop tomorrow. :rolleyes:

[kpn]

Woh its true, i got owned :)

Oh well at least online is good, graphics arnt too bad are they.

[Mikeyy]

HA HA, this is funny

Jerzmob was right with all his Low res 360 comments.

[MaTiAz]

**** Yeah 640fps!

[des]

Ridge Racer 7 for the PS3 says hi.

And now the links to all the dumbasses who posted in the other thread that can now insert fist into mouth for doubting B3d and spouting off "Sh*T" that they know nothing about it.

Knaledge
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=699525&postcount=29

Soldiers On LSD
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=699027&postcount=9

thebox
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=700021&postcount=3

Well the xbots were just going crazy, the usual fanboy crap ^^

[K405]

Atleast, it runs super smooth! Just like RFOM!

I quess the XBOX360 already reached it's max! But I don't care about resolution that much.. dropping frames annoys me. I still think Halo3 looks sweet. Good choice Bungie better to have "low res" super-smooth then "high res" and choppy as hell! Hopefully other developers will follow.

[uggi2005]

i wish people would stop their moaning,the game looks good plays good so who gives a crap whether its missing a few lines of resolution,get over it and stop discecting the game and just play it or buy a ps3 and see how many jaggies you get then

[cokemusic1]

Microsoft coulda made Halo 3 on the original XBOX without a huge noticable difference , probably would have made them more money too

[Sinar]

This doesn't matter it still looks better than COD4, it still maintains actual colours rather than the gray syndrome most modern fps suffer from.

[AlphaTrion]

Bungie has confirmed that it indeed shortchanged Halo 3 gamers by 80 pixels as the game runs at 640p, however they say things are a bit more complicated than that. Technically seeing as Halo 3 uses two frame buffers which render at 1152x640 pixels, it could be accepted that Bungie are giving you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution.



News Source: <A href="http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12821" target="_blank">Bungie.net</a>


so BUNGIE is saying their engine needed help. We will see in the future what other developers do. Bungie may have problems where others won't.

[OblivionX]

1080p can me done but not with great graphics. I mean virtua tennis runs at 1080p on 360 and a few others I dont remember which. But none are graphically pushing anything special. Halo 3 wether you like it or not is doing something special.

The graphics are sharp, most of the textures are high quality and the sheer scale of the maps and the amount that goes on without dropping a frame is amazing. And no one even read the post either, it uses two frame buffers which is a good enough reason for the slight drop in size. I think it looks great, plays great and im loving the scale of the whole thing.

If you dont like it I dont care, its only natural that people will nitpick it at just because it is halo 3.

[majin]

Before you go calling people dumb. Read what Zeus's headline is.

OFMG MUAHAAHAHAHA

[nuke868]

answers to your post.
8 Sorry game plays on 1080i res for me so next question


Just to remember some forum's member stupidity..... BUT ITS CLEARLY NOT ALONE

Ok So its the biggest game of 2007 BUT:

1) Exept Water and some HDR graphic its Halo 2 in HD.

2) Game last 4 hours max if u are blind and impaied,and u need to visit some levels up to 3 times like running in circle.

3) Spend 80€ on the Limited Edition and u get a nice set of scratched cup holders.

4) Pay 60 € to play the game online the only rumored good thing bout the title and Live crashes almost an entire day.

5) Save your game and u risk to start all it over again ?

6) Rely on reviews and u can see they received up to 800$ bribes for them, nobody of all the 10/10 online magazines rates even mentioned....

7) They advertise HD video content on the limited and legendary boxes 80/130€ and u ll find out its low res REMASTER HIGH QUALITY but always LOW RES .......

8) Advertised as 1080p even months before its launch and now we find out its 640p.

9) Halo 3: Finish the Fight, more like Finish the Console - mass Disc errors/RRoD reported.

I am havin fun with this,the hype lasted 2 days.We need just another mess or bug and we will do a Perfect 10 for REAL this time.

Definitely Best Game of 2007

[blade47167]

Just to remember some forum's member stupidity..... BUT ITS CLEARLY NOT ALONE

Ok So its the biggest game of 2007 BUT:

1) Exept Water and some HDR graphic its Halo 2 in HD.

2) Game last 4 hours max if u are blind and impaied,and u need to visit some levels up to 3 times like running in circle.

3) Spend 80€ on the Limited Edition and u get a nice set of scratched cup holders.

4) Pay 60 € to play the game online the only rumored good thing bout the title and Live crashes almost an entire day.

5) Save your game and u risk to start all it over again ?

6) Rely on reviews and u can see they received up to 800$ bribes for them, nobody of all the 10/10 online magazines rates even mentioned....

7) They advertise HD video content on the limited and legendary boxes 80/130€ and u ll find out its low res REMASTER HIGH QUALITY but always LOW RES .......

8) Advertised as 1080p even months before its launch and now we find out its 640p.

9) Halo 3: Finish the Fight, more like Finish the Console - mass Disc errors/RRoD reported.

I am havin fun with this,the hype lasted 2 days.We need just another mess or bug and we will do a Perfect 10 for REAL this time.

Definitely Best Game of 2007

You my friend have won the thread.

[aic007]

must you post this same retarded comment in every thread?

Amazing how every Sony fan wants to put this game down so bad, what do you have? I finally got to see Heavenly Sword when someone was playing the demo at Best Buy yesterday. What the hell is all the commotion about its graphics? The game wishes it looked as good as Halo, and for all your complaints about the AI driving into a wall, how about having a group of people sitting waiting to attack you because you are fighting someone else.

What a joke. Why don't you guys spend some time actually playing the PS3 instead of bragging about it. Oh wait, you actually need games worth playing for it. At least ones that will give you more than 5hrs of game time.

[Eclipse9069]

Just to remember some forum's member stupidity..... BUT ITS CLEARLY NOT ALONE

Ok So its the biggest game of 2007 BUT:

1) Exept Water and some HDR graphic its Halo 2 in HD.

2) Game last 4 hours max if u are blind and impaied,and u need to visit some levels up to 3 times like running in circle.

3) Spend 80€ on the Limited Edition and u get a nice set of scratched cup holders.

4) Pay 60 € to play the game online the only rumored good thing bout the title and Live crashes almost an entire day.

5) Save your game and u risk to start all it over again ?

6) Rely on reviews and u can see they received up to 800$ bribes for them, nobody of all the 10/10 online magazines rates even mentioned....

7) They advertise HD video content on the limited and legendary boxes 80/130€ and u ll find out its low res REMASTER HIGH QUALITY but always LOW RES .......

8) Advertised as 1080p even months before its launch and now we find out its 640p.

9) Halo 3: Finish the Fight, more like Finish the Console - mass Disc errors/RRoD reported.

I am havin fun with this,the hype lasted 2 days.We need just another mess or bug and we will do a Perfect 10 for REAL this time.

Definitely Best Game of 2007


Now, that's just sad.

Ah well, PS3 fanboys are just getting mad becuase their console is just getting worse and worse while the 360 is finally starting to sell like it sold in its first few months, and its bringing heat to Japan.

[nuke868]

somebody Remembers this ?

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=16106

*Bungie now have an internal test build of Halo 3 running at true 1080p at 60fps. This is not finalised code there are performance issues to optimise.

*Bungie's No1 priority is that Halo 3 will be 100% compatible with the Xbox 360 Core (which has no hard drive.) In the largest levels with max players there is some lag, a change to 30fps might be necessary to maintain high performance

*True 1080p wont be available in the public beta next month, but the Beta will be used to gauge related issues.

*Some voices at Bungie felt that it's better to run Halo 3 at 720p and then upscale to 1080p

YEAH LOL AHAHAH

Lookin How even at 640p slowdowns and clips sure they had an EXPLOSIVE 1080P/60FPS INTERNAL YEAH !

[aic007]

somebody Remembers this ?

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=16106

*Bungie now have an internal test build of Halo 3 running at true 1080p at 60fps. This is not finalised code there are performance issues to optimise.

*Bungie's No1 priority is that Halo 3 will be 100% compatible with the Xbox 360 Core (which has no hard drive.) In the largest levels with max players there is some lag, a change to 30fps might be necessary to maintain high performance

*True 1080p wont be available in the public beta next month, but the Beta will be used to gauge related issues.

*Some voices at Bungie felt that it's better to run Halo 3 at 720p and then upscale to 1080p

YEAH LOL AHAHAH

Lookin How even at 640p slowdowns and clips sure they had an EXPLOSIVE 1080P/60FPS INTERNAL YEAH !

Im sure we could pull a million articles about things PS3 games and the system were supposed to do. Dual HDMI anyone? 1080p for every game? Rumble is last gen? Gaming in 4D?

[nuke868]

must you post this same retarded comment in every thread?

Amazing how every Sony fan wants to put this game down so bad, what do you have?
What a joke. Why don't you guys spend some time actually playing the PS3 instead of bragging about it. Oh wait, you actually need games worth playing for it. At least ones that will give you more than 5hrs of game time.

Now, that's just sad.

Ah well, PS3 fanboys are just getting mad becuase their console is just getting worse and worse while the 360 is finally starting to sell like it sold in its first few months, and its bringing heat to Japan.

Didnt you understand that i did buy the Xbox Premium since December Day One Launch in Europe probably sooner then you did, and as well,I have :

Wii,Ps2,Xbox1,Ps3.DsLite,and Psp Slim so whos the biased Douchebag that probably owns just the X360 ?

BLOODY YOU

[aic007]

Didnt you understand that i did buy the Xbox Premium since December Day One Launch in Europe probably sooner then your did and as well as it I have :

Wii,Ps2,Xbox1,Ps3.DsLite,and Psp Slim so whos the biased Douchebag that probably owns just the X360 ?

BLOODY YOU

Thats funny cause I got my console the day it launched in the states.

I actually own all those systems except the PS3, jackass. I wont buy the system because there is nothing about it worth the $600 investment. Don't care for BD, since upscaled DVD's look just as good, and there aren't any games that interest me that are exclusive to the console.

My psp is modded and I still can't find anything worth playing other than old Genesis and SNES games. My PS2 barely reads discs anymore. Now that I am done with the Halo campaign I can get back to MP3 on the Wii.

want to try again?


**edit**

ohh yeah, I also have a DC, gamecube, and Saturn, still hooked up incase I get the urge to play something on those as well.

[nuke868]

Thats funny cause I got my console the day it launched in the states.

I actually own all those systems except the PS3

I see probably the reason you are bushin it when somebody is talkin bout an X360 game....

C_U_N_T !

http://www.bartleby.com/17/1/31.html

READ IT

[aic007]

I see probably the reason you are bushin it when somebody is talkin bout an X360 game....

C_U_N_T !

http://www.bartleby.com/17/1/31.html

READ IT

"Bushin" it? care for a translation?

I will defend anything if it is worth defending. If there is something that Sony does right I am man enough to admit it unlike some of these people who can only post blind hatred for anything that comes from MS.

As of right now, gaming is just simply better on a 360, there are **** loads of more games and the only exclusives to the PS3 that anyone can brag about are Motorstorm which really isn't that good. At least what I have played of it. RFoM which is another FPS that basically took COD2 and threw in some aliens, and HS and Lair. Only saw the HS demo and it really didn't impress, Lair I had hopes for since I love the RS games on the GC but that one game alone isn't enough to go out and spend $600 on a console for it to collect dust.

If a game was multiplatform I would get the 360 version since
a) I like the controller better
b) All my friends have 360's and we can play on Live
c) chances are it will look and run better

[grapeape]

I see probably the reason you are bushin it when somebody is talkin bout an X360 game....

C_U_N_T !

http://www.bartleby.com/17/1/31.html

READ IT

There problem isnt with your posting or your half insane rants over a game most that didnt like got over in a day...its over your fucking spamming you keep posting the same damn thing over and over like you think its something noteworthy and quoteable. This is just the same bullshit within the last couple threads....

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=701949#post701949
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=699182#post699182
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=699296#post699296
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=699914#post699914

No one cares...stop being a wanker and move on....

[foundmy]

before i get bashed again, please hear me out.

its not 80 pixels, its alot more. or maybe my math is out.

1152x640 pixels = 737280
1152x720 pixels = 829440

you are actually loosing 92160 pixels not 80 pixels. that is 11%.

now did this take away from you experience, nope, not for one second.

now we agree with that.

but i thought 720P was 1280x720 pixels. so...

1152x640 pixels = 737280 (Halo 3)
1152x720 pixels = 829440 (Halo 3 if at 720P)
1280x720 pixels = 921600 (Halo 3 running at spec 720P )

now technically speaking, the drop in spec is:184320 pixels and that is 20%.

now did that effect what you felt about playing halo3?
no, not for one second.

now the pain:
as i posted before about 1up.com podcast talking about degrading the experience on the xbox360 because they are using dvd9 media and not allowed to use any next-gen game HD media for games nor use the HDD
This could actually be the first of many things to come. before you jump all over me, remember it was 1up.com reporting what happened at the m$ x360 dev conference, telling devs to "degrade the experience" if they are running out of space.

By reducing the actual graphics look at how much space they saved 11%-20% (depending on which you want to use). this was a way for them to make the game fit on a dvd9 by "degrading the experience" (quote from microsoft for the term for saving dvd9 media space).

Now it didn't disappoint your game play, but do realize this can be the start of something, because of disc space limitations more games will be doing this.

so its not 80 pixels, its 11% to 20% degraded and then rely on the xbox360 upscaling.

And this is the perfect graphics game? its not bashing halo, the delivered it the best way possible, we just know other xbox360 games are graphically better and now we know why. and Review sites that give it 10/10 well, maybe we should take 11%-20% off their scores.

but seriously, i hope the 1up.com podcast report would of been false but this might become a trend. They could of released halo3 on two discs right. the last disc with the last two missions. or put some of the missions on the HDD, but again they are not allowed to use the HDD. I can understand there is only 12GB of space free for most users and core users would of been screwed again.

[shemmy]

all bungie had to say was that their top priority was halo3 running at a steady 60fps, which, by the lack of threads and complaints to the contrary, they seem to have achieved. it's a pity they decided to try and blind people with what is pretty much empty technobable.

sure, it would be great if every game ran at 1080p and 60fps, but that’s not going to happen with either the 360 or the ps3. both sony and ms made promises they had no hope of keeping. deal with it and move on.

Bottom line: it’s better to have an fps game playing at a steady 60fps than not.

[nuke868]

Im sure we could pull a million articles about things PS3 games and the system were supposed to do. Dual HDMI anyone? 1080p for every game? Rumble is last gen? Gaming in 4D?

I am waiting for the millions dumbfag.At least it had a single hdmi 1.3 and if I will fork out another 300€ for the Core hdmi it will also be hdmi 1.2 a bloody year after the ps3 have been released, and doesnt even supports new HD audio codecs for theirs 200€ hd-dvd addon !

+

We dont need an Hdmi on Xbox 360

We dont need 1080p

We can make a cable for hdmi compatibility

Failure rate is 3%

Theres no dvd scratchin issue on the x360

Halo 3 will run at 1080p/60fps

GTA will be a x360 exclusive Peter Moron tatoo anybody ?

Theres no issue of the spring update that bricks the console look on the ps3 they did already kinda 10 updates not a single issue and they added a whole more then a crap microsoft messenger without counting u can buy usb controllers adapters blutooth earpiece and they work instantly unlike microsoft; bugged earpiece,200€ + wifi wheel recall,and guitar hero controller recall...

We wont make an hdmi x360 ! Without an hardrive upgrade at 460€ which u will have to add 2 games a a pad and a wifi adapter and its higher priced then a ps3 without; hdmi 1.3,hd player,memory card reader,less powerfull(see your beloved halo 3 slowdowns a lot even on 640p as does Mcrae Dirt on x360 with blurr and slowdowns and on Ps3 doesnt,tell me a game that looks like half of motorstorm on a ps3,and read that fuckin fable what u cant afford... ! Finally u need to shell another 60 for live !

I am sure the others non crackheads like u in this forum can find a lot more for u to enjoy...

U CANT AFFORD TO BUY A PS3 AND U BASH IT U ARE PATHETIC I HAVE BOTH AND I DO JUDGE UNBIASED NOW GO SUCKIN YOUR RROD.

[aic007]

I am waiting for the millions dumbfag.At least it had a single hdmi 1.3 and if I will fork out another 300€ for the Core hdmi it will also be hdmi 1.2 a bloody year after the ps3 have been released, and doesnt even supports new HD audio codecs for theirs 200€ hd-dvd addon !

+

We dont need an Hdmi on Xbox 360

We dont need 1080p

We can make a cable for hdmi compatibility

Failure rate is 3%

Theres no dvd scratchin issue on the x360

Halo 3 will run at 1080p/60fps

GTA will be a x360 exclusive Peter Moron tatoo anybody ?

Theres no issue of the spring update that bricks the console look on the ps3 they did already kinda 10 updates not a single issue and they added a whole more then a crap microsoft messenger without countin u can buy usb controllers adapters blutooth earpiece and they work instantly unlike microsoft; bugged eirpiece recaller 200€ + wifi wheel and guitar hero controller...

We wont make an hdmi x360 ! Without an hardrive upgrade at 460€ which u will have to add 2 games a a pad and a wifi adapter and its higher priced then a ps3 without; hdmi 1.3,hd player,memory card reader,less powerfull(see your beloved halo 3 slowdowns a lot even on 640p as does Mcrae Dirt on x360 with blurr and slowsdown and on Ps3 dont,tell me a game that looks like hadl of motorstorm on a ps3 and read that fuckin fable ! Finally u need to shell another 60 for live !

I am sure the others non crackheads like u in this forum can find a lot more for u to enjoy...

U CANT AFFORD TO BUY A PS3 AND U BASH IT U ARE PATHETIC I HAVE BOTH AND I DO JUDGE UNBIASED NOW GO SUCKIN YOUR RROD.

Asshole, grow up.

If I wanted a PS3, I could have bought one a dozen times over, money is not a problem since I have spent over two grand on games alone for the 360.

Just look around the forums and anyone can point out all the glaring changes made to the PS3 from what was originally spec'd.

They never said GTA4 was exclusive, just exclusive content.

They didn't need 1080p, people wanted it and the just updated the firmware so that the scaler can output it. The system was capable from the start, they just said it wasn't necessary for games to be put out in that resolution.

Same goes for HDMI.

As for scratches and RROD, I never had a disc scratched, most people were moving the systems when they were on. The system should be kept horizontal since it will be more stable. RROD, only happened once to me and the system was replaced free of charge.

Never read that Halo was locked @ 1080p/60fps. Besides the fact that resolution means **** to me. As long as its a good game, I will play it. If it really mattered I wouldn't have bought a Wii, DS, or PSP.

Bluetooth is great for my phone, not my game systems. I have had issues with the Wii controller losing sync an I know people have posted that the PS3 controller has the same issue. The 360 never has a problem with controllers disconnecting from the system in the middle of a game.

Do I really need a memory card reader in my game system? I have one hooked up to my PC that I can easily plug into the USB on the 360, or I could just stream everything over my LAN.

As for Live, again I make good money its not an issue. Plus it's paid for itself with the enjoyment I have gotten out of it. I used to pay to play doom online almost 15 years ago, whats your point? If it is worth it I will pay for it, I'm not a cheap bastard begging for everything to be free.

As for updates, didn't the last one knock Warhawk out? Didn't it cause a game to be unplayable since it was online only? The updates are minor changes for the most part and most of the changes made, the 360 was already capable of, they are playing catch up.

You seem to be so angry, do you feel burned that you spent all that money on a PS3 and it sits collecting dust? Ohh wait your curing cancer with it. We can fold, WOW. Thats what I want out of my game console, to leave it running all day without playing a single game.

Motorstorm look like ****, get over it. Sega Rally looks better. The game is boring, has a couple of tracks and a small amount of vehicles to choose from. Most of the tracks look the same, it comes nowhere near what was shown when they first announced it. That is the Sony way, only show FMV in commercials so people can't see what the game actually looks like. Why not show gameplay of HS in commercials?

Then there are the claims of we have 25gb discs, yet we only got 5hrs of gameplay from it. Getting a little tired of Sony's proprietary formats since I can't use them in anything else. I got 4 mem sticks for my PSP that I can't use in anything else I own.

All every Sony fan keeps saying is wait till FF, MGS, and KZ2, have fun dusting your system while you wait, I keep enjoying the steady flow AAA titles being released.

[nuke868]

ok enuff u are a stupid idiot not wasting my time anymore u cant afford a **** simply coz if u could u already would have bought a ps3 as any console real gamer does usually, rest is a bunch of fags excuses, u are pathetic.And most of your answers are lies anybody can check that on the web and m not wastin my time anymore talkin with an xbot loser.

[satel]

Isn't Halo 3 suppose to play at 1080p? Just proves my point that the limiting factor for the PS3 and 360 is the graphics.

fukin xbot you have to bring the ps3 into it while its a 360 graphic capeability issue which is been discussed here !!!the only thing limiting the ps3 in terms of graphics is actually the xbox360 because devs are just porting what they develope on 360 to the ps3,when this changes & it will you gonna see ps3 graphics shine over the 360's graphics & leave it way behind.

[aic007]

ok enuff u are a stupid idiot not wasting my time anymore u cant afford a **** simply coz if u could u already would have bought a ps3 as any console real gamer does usually, rest is a bunch of fags excuses, u are pathetic.And most of your answers are lies anybody can check that on the web and m not wastin my time anymore talkin with an xbot loser.

Yup, I can't afford it cause your my accountant and you know these things.

No, real gamers play games, they don't just spend money on game systems to say they have them to give the credibility.

This post proves your a child. No adult would use the term "xbot", and they would actually spell YOU instead of using U.

So tell your mom to buy you some games so you have something to do with that overpriced doorstop.

[foundmy]

aic007: dude take it easy.

this thread is about how bungie had to degrade the experience for some reason.

they could of had two DVDs. one for single campaign, and the second for multiplayer campaign and didn't have to lose of the video resolution.
or had two disc some missions on one and some missions on the other. Lost odessey is multi disc and that is no biggie for xbox360 users to swap discs.

there are several things i don't think you realize about the ps3, but i am not going to post stuff in this thread about that. changes the thread.

but one thing you did mention (i believe it was you) that you do not need BD movies since you say upscaled regular dvd movies look as good. now duide, HD-dvd or Blu-ray media movies that are 720P and 1080P and they look a hell of alot better than upscaled dvd movies. now maybe your TV is too small, so yes i can understand that, but there is a big difference visually and the details in the picture.

[aic007]

aic007: dude take it easy.

this thread is about how bungie had to degrade the experience for some reason.

they could of had two DVDs. one for single campaign, and the second for multiplayer campaign and didn't have to lose of the video resolution.
or had two disc some missions on one and some missions on the other. Lost odessey is multi disc and that is no biggie for xbox360 users to swap discs.

there are several things i don't think you realize about the ps3, but i am not going to post stuff in this thread about that. changes the thread.

but one thing you did mention (i believe it was you) that you do not need BD movies since you say upscaled regular dvd movies look as good. now duide, HD-dvd or Blu-ray media movies that are 720P and 1080P and they look a hell of alot better than upscaled dvd movies. now maybe your TV is too small, so yes i can understand that, but there is a big difference visually and the details in the picture.

My tv is 50" 1080p Mitsu DLP. Anything new, looks excellent, maybe older movies may get some benefit but I dont see the 500-1000 dollar difference. A friend I work with just sold his PS3 since he felt the same way. He bought an upscaling player and said that the difference wasn't worth the extra $15 he was paying for BD movies.

This is my opinion, people may say it differently but I have yet to walk by a TV with BD or HD DVD and say WOW I have to have that.

[foundmy]

50 inch tv? and you can't tell the difference. ok.

i would suggest you get Talladega Nights BR and check it out. you see asphalt the shine on the car and the reflection from it and the leaves. but again, if you can't see the difference, then i guess its a null point.

also alot of TVs do upscaling, so really people can't see the difference unless they turn off upscaling to see the real video.
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but i guess also then seeing a 11% to 20% drop in res quality is hidden when the xbox360 upsales it to 720P and 1080P. now if it didn't upscale, then really is there any TRUE 1080P games that are NOT UPSCALED from a lower res xbox360 game?

[SSChevy2001]

foundmy -

1) I posted the pixel count and % first. I also did it for the splitscreen also. No need to repost what I already did.

2) Media has nothing to do with the resolution quality as all the cutscenes are in game which is what they all should be. Blu-ray would be a disadvantage as of the slower speeds it runs at.

I will agree there is a difference between HD movies though and upscaling, but I think it's to early to jump that route yet.

nuke868 -

1) All the problems 360 has means crap as it's worth it in the end. It's all about the games which PS3 lacks.

2) HDMI and 1080P mean **** All 360 support VGA which is just as good. Quality difference if any would depend on the hardware it's used on. 1080P is great if you can run that resolution, but it's not realistic for console gaming at this point in time. PS3 included.

[Attitude]

Just to remember some forum's member stupidity..... BUT ITS CLEARLY NOT ALONE

Ok So its the biggest game of 2007 BUT:

1) Exept Water and some HDR graphic its Halo 2 in HD.

2) Game last 4 hours max if u are blind and impaied,and u need to visit some levels up to 3 times like running in circle.

3) Spend 80€ on the Limited Edition and u get a nice set of scratched cup holders.

4) Pay 60 € to play the game online the only rumored good thing bout the title and Live crashes almost an entire day.

5) Save your game and u risk to start all it over again ?

6) Rely on reviews and u can see they received up to 800$ bribes for them, nobody of all the 10/10 online magazines rates even mentioned....

7) They advertise HD video content on the limited and legendary boxes 80/130€ and u ll find out its low res REMASTER HIGH QUALITY but always LOW RES .......

8) Advertised as 1080p even months before its launch and now we find out its 640p.

9) Halo 3: Finish the Fight, more like Finish the Console - mass Disc errors/RRoD reported.

I am havin fun with this,the hype lasted 2 days.We need just another mess or bug and we will do a Perfect 10 for REAL this time.

Definitely Best Game of 2007

OMG i got one wrong, well blow me and call me daisy, now compared to the rest of the bullshit you spouted i call that fucking good going. When you get one decent game for your fucked up ps3 console then please come back and talk again. Until then keep sucking your thumb dumb ****.

[sigma8]

My tv is 50" 1080p Mitsu DLP. Anything new, looks excellent, maybe older movies may get some benefit but I dont see the 500-1000 dollar difference. A friend I work with just sold his PS3 since he felt the same way. He bought an upscaling player and said that the difference wasn't worth the extra $15 he was paying for BD movies.

This is my opinion, people may say it differently but I have yet to walk by a TV with BD or HD DVD and say WOW I have to have that.
I have a DLP projector that's 720p (only 720p!) and the screen I'm projecting on is a bit over 100" 16"9 widescreen.. And I will say that blu-ray movies playing on the PS3 look a lot better than upscaled DVD's, whether those DVD's are playing on my PS3, or on my Mac mini that's also hooked up to the projector.

To check out how good the upscaled stuff looks, I put in Lord of the Rings: Return of the King. I will say that closeup shots of the actors faces (particularly Liv Tyler, who I think is actually jpeg in real life) looked really good, and comparable to some scenes that a blu-ray could put out. But once you had scenes with minute details--stuff other than gigantic noses and round eyes against smooth skin--you could see that things were unclear and heavily artifacted. Very noticeable on a 100" screen.

This does not happen on a blu-ray movie. I really wish I had a 1080p projector, but those were too pricey. The 720p one I have was well-reviewed and fairly inexpensive, so I don't regret the purchase..and even the 720p detail is so much more noticeable than standard def content.

There are some movies that just aren't that well-encoded. House of Flying Daggers, for instance. Looks great, but it's not so sharp. Details are almost as "lost" as on an upscaled DVD. However, while things may be a bit fuzzy, they are not artifacted or jpeggy/mpeggy looking...so at least it's clean.

Is this worth $1000? Well where is the money spent? The screen plus projector were probably around $1200.. But that's highly multipurpose..and of course even standard def content looks cool on a nice big screen. So I definitely am happy with the cost of going from 36" to 100".. No regrets.

The PS3 was $600 for me, but also included the console.. Using the Xbox360 as a pricing guide, I basically paid $400 for a souped up next-gen console, and then only $200 for the blu-ray abilities.

So is the difference of blu-ray versus DVD worth $200? Definitely yes. In fact, I'd say the difference is probably worth about $400. For example, if I had an Xbox360 instead of a PS3...and had all my other stuff (screen, projector, etc..) and I was able to do pretty much everything I can do now except play high-def movie discs.. I would be willing to pay up to $400 for the privilege, which would be in the form of either the HD-DVD addon if the interface was good, or a standalone player. Whichever seemed more worth it.

[shemmy]

1080P is great if you can run that resolution, but it's not realistic for console gaming at this point in time. PS3 included.

as much as MS and sony would have us believe otherwise, i'm not sure that either the 360 or ps3 will ever run the majority of their games at 1080p + 60fps.

[aic007]

50 inch tv? and you can't tell the difference. ok.

i would suggest you get Talladega Nights BR and check it out. you see asphalt the shine on the car and the reflection from it and the leaves. but again, if you can't see the difference, then i guess its a null point.

also alot of TVs do upscaling, so really people can't see the difference unless they turn off upscaling to see the real video.
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but i guess also then seeing a 11% to 20% drop in res quality is hidden when the xbox360 upsales it to 720P and 1080P. now if it didn't upscale, then really is there any TRUE 1080P games that are NOT UPSCALED from a lower res xbox360 game?

It was hard enough watching that movie on cable, please don't make me do it again in HD. Not really a big Ferral fan when he is the start, tends to over do it.

I have the Planet Earth set and I gotta say it looks incredible, most movies I have watched look great and if there is a small degredation it isn't something I am going to go nuts about. Watching Yankee games on the TV is like being in the stands, as are football games that are shot in HD. I have Fios and the HD box hooked up through HDMI.

The biggest problem is that most movies today, outside the summer blockbusters shoot in HD. Until this is more widely used and a clear winner is picked I am not going to bother getting involved in a format war.

[nuke868]

Yup, I can't afford it cause your my accountant and you know these things.

No, real gamers play games, they don't just spend money on game systems to say they have them to give the credibility.

This post proves your a child. No adult would use the term "xbot", and they would actually spell YOU instead of using U.

So tell your mom to buy you some games so you have something to do with that overpriced doorstop.

No I choose not to(answer),coz u are just a pathetic idiot that cant afford a ps3 and havin just a 360 as new gen console, it must be the best console in the world, your answers prove me u like adult hard gay ass action, coz no matter what, u will like just what u can afford, and u aint even worthed a decent tought answer, since u are a dumbfuck, infact u always reply with dumbshit, bypassing all the stuff its on the web, idiot,but remember u are not alone, so at least u should have some luck, finding homos like u that ll enjoy takin it up the ass, paying even 80€ for that.Somebody posted and URGHHHHHHH FILLED POST, guess i had to do that in the first place, coz it seems more smart, then trying to argue with a crackhead.

[gonepostl]

Bungie has confirmed that it indeed shortchanged Halo 3 gamers by 80 pixels as the game runs at 640p, however they say things are a bit more complicated than that. Technically seeing as Halo 3 uses two frame buffers which render at 1152x640 pixels, it could be accepted that Bungie are giving you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution.



News Source: <A href="http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12821" target="_blank">Bungie.net</a>

All I heard was blah blah blah I'm a dirty skank

[gangley]

My tv is 50" 1080p Mitsu DLP. Anything new, looks excellent, maybe older movies may get some benefit but I dont see the 500-1000 dollar difference. A friend I work with just sold his PS3 since he felt the same way. He bought an upscaling player and said that the difference wasn't worth the extra $15 he was paying for BD movies.

This is my opinion, people may say it differently but I have yet to walk by a TV with BD or HD DVD and say WOW I have to have that.

I agree with most of your comments except the BD movie comments, I watch all my BD on my Bravia X series and in 1080P the movies are AWESOME the DVD Upscaled movies look like **** compared to Blu-Ray, but I suppose if your not worried about the quality of the picture like your not then it wouldn't matter. As for the games I find myself only using my 360 as there is just **** on the PS3 as the moment, so bottom line is for movies the PS3 it AWESOME & for games it's the 360 & the Wii. & I know when Mass Effect comes out that will be the BEST game EVER :)

[Frak-Frakistan]

& I know when Mass Effect comes out that will be the BEST game EVER :)

ok, so wasn't halo 3 suppose to be the "best game ever"

xbots admit that halo 3 has not lived up to the hype and now your all like mass effect is gonna be the best game at 1080p and 60fps and then you realize that actually its 640.

and wtf is 640 couldn't even give the very basic 720P.

atleast the devs at killzone admit that the game will support 720p.they are not hyping the product by saying that the game will support 1080p or run at 60fps.

even though it might

[gangley]

ok, so wasn't halo 3 suppose to be the "best game ever"

xbots admit that halo 3 has not lived up to the hype and now your all like mass effect is gonna be the best game at 1080p and 60fps and then you realize that actually its 640.

and wtf is 640 couldn't even give the very basic 720P.

atleast the devs at killzone admit that the game will support 720p.they are not hyping the product by saying that the game will support 1080p or run at 60fps.

even though it might

I never thought Halo 3 would be the greatest game ever, that's why I don't have it yet otherwise I would have got it already, I am happy to still be playing Bioshock at the moment on my 360 & Metroid on my Wii until Mass Effect comes out. I would love to be also playing some stuff on my PS3 but all the latest stuff is utter **** at the moment on the PS3, I rented Warhark & I gotta say that game is fucked utter crap & lair I wouldn't even bother with, my PS3 is only used at the moment for watching BD, I just hope the PS3 get's some good games soon, I am not pinning my hopes on Killzone 2 though as it just looks like another boring FPS, that's why Mass Effect looks so awesome it offers so much more then crappy Halo 3 & Killzone 2.

[aic007]

No I choose not to(answer),coz u are just a pathetic idiot that cant afford a ps3 and havin just a 360 as new gen console, it must be the best console in the world, your answers prove me u like adult hard gay ass action, coz no matter what, u will like just what u can afford, and u aint even worthed a decent tought answer, since u are a dumbfuck, infact u always reply with dumbshit, bypassing all the stuff its on the web, idiot,but remember u are not alone, so at least u should have some luck, finding homos like u that ll enjoy takin it up the ass, paying even 80€ for that.Somebody posted and URGHHHHHHH FILLED POST, guess i had to do that in the first place, coz it seems more smart, then trying to argue with a crackhead.

Listen child, get a fucking life. Learn to spell you might need it one day to get out of that job at McDonalds. Your posts are full of ignorant, idiotic, childish remarks. So you get put in your place so now you have to resort to calling people gay? Shows how much of a 2yr old you are.

If your beloved PS3 is so great why dont you spend some time playing it and get the **** out of these forums? Maybe go out and get some fresh air. You are the type of person that gives PS3 fans a bad name. You look like a fool when post **** like the above, it only shows the true nature of your insecure little existance.

I am done with you, this is my last reply to your idiotic comments. have a field day cause you are no longer worth the time it take to type these posts.

[p$p b0y]

Listen child, get a fucking life. Learn to spell you might need it one day to get out of that job at McDonalds. Your posts are full of ignorant, idiotic, childish remarks. So you get put in your place so now you have to resort to calling people gay? Shows how much of a 2yr old you are.


oh my god, that was my thought exactly :eek:

DONT FORGET THE RED, UNDERLINED, CAPITALISED SENTENCE IN EVERY POST

[LeGioN1202]

You know what I find fucking hilarious right now?

When Killzone 2 was said to run at only 720p Xbox owners were so quick to jump in a talk so much ****, yet now they think it is fine that Halo 3 runs at 640p... although advertised as 1080p?

You can try and argue the lighting, blah blah, the AI, blah blah, etc...

Killzone 2 has a **** load of features too, and it is hard to imagine how bad Killzone 2's AI is gonna be, specially with MC posted those articles about Halo 3 having the "Best AI Ever".

Hypocrisy at it's best.

This game, this ridiculous advertising, the ridiculously undeserving 10 score... I don't see how it got rated so good unless they were paid off.

[aic007]

You know what I find fucking hilarious right now?

When Killzone 2 was said to run at only 720p Xbox owners were so quick to jump in a talk so much ****, yet now they think it is fine that Halo 3 runs at 640p... although advertised as 1080p?


If your talking about the back of the box, It states that due to the 360 being able to scale 1080p so if your TV is capable, you can display it scaled to that resolution.


You have a valid complaint there that people, myself included will make comments about games on what was originally spec'd. But in the grand scheme of things, is the change from 720p to 640p really impacting the game in such a serious way that it is unplayable? I personally don't think so. I don't see the tons of jaggies people claim the game has, the game looks excellent and is well paced always keeping you in action. If your a fan of the series you will probably like this one as well.

This whole issue has gotten so blown out of proportion. Now the PS3 fans are going to try and make it our more that it really is, and when the time comes for a PS3 game to fall into this predicament the Xbox fans will do the same, but all this really does is lead to ridiculous posts and arguments when people should just enjoy the friggin game.

Why is it all of the sudden that resolution is king? Does this mean you can put a game out at 1080p and have it run like ****, but you hit the 1080p res so its ok? Should we go back and check the resolutions of Zelda, Mario, Metroid, FFVII, MGS and every other game we loved just to see if it hit a magical number?

[Frak-Frakistan]

Why is it all of the sudden that resolution is king? Does this mean you can put a game out at 1080p and have it run like ****, but you hit the 1080p res so its ok? Should we go back and check the resolutions of Zelda, Mario, Metroid, FFVII, MGS and every other game we loved just to see if it hit a magical number?

Resolution was always a very serious issue you denying xbot, and are you really fuc*kin serious in comparing FFVII and MGS both on the PS1 to Halo 3?

But then again your probably right in comparing the 640 resolution to these games.

ok you win halo 3 has better resolution than ff7 and mgs 1!!!!!!

[aic007]

Resolution was always a very serious issue you denying xbot, and are you really fuc*kin serious in comparing FFVII and MGS both on the PS1 to Halo 3?

But then again your probably right in comparing the 640 resolution to these games.

ok you win halo 3 has better resolution than ff7 and mgs 1!!!!!!

Your an idiot. I wasn't compare Halo 3 to FFVII and MGS, I said that back then no one care what the resolution was, as long as the game was entertaining.

Try to get over yourself for a minute and re-read the friggin post, nowhere did I say compare H3 to MGS and FFVII. I said people are making a huge deal over resolution because you are being brainwashed into thinking that if a game isn't displayed in a certain res it's garbage. Ridge Racer was 1080p right? Does that make it a great game? Did people line up for days saying I have to have it because it is 1080p?

Work on your reading comprehension, it helps in life.