Opinion: How Halo3 killed the Xbox 360

[Zeus]

A gaming website is putting forward the view that Halo 3 could be the tip of the ice berg for the XBox 360, leaving MS with no where to go.
MS have spent millions to develop & secure AAA titles and now their resources have reached their optimal potential and things can't get any better than they have in the last six months. Now as developers realize that the 360 has gone as far as possible they are more likely to focus primarily on the PS3 rather than porting games over from the Xbox 360. Its unclear where MS can go from here.

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Sony truly has taken a safe approach to gaming this time around. Every developer interview that has mentioned the PS3 at all has stated that they have come no where close to its full potential. It is harder to develop for as they have become adapted to the 360 as the base of their work, and port from there, but now, developers are beginning to look at the PS3 as their foreground, with the 360 as the port.

Bottom line, the 360 is not on its last leg, but it has matured in terms of gaming power and prowess. Let us all be thankful to the many marvels it has given us in the gaming world and hope that they can still make some awesome titles. Here’s to you Microsoft, may you figure out what the hell is going on before the gaming world does it for you.


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[alexandertyler]

This argument has been stated of most consoles at one point or another -- look at the PS2 now compared to 3 years ago, titles like GOWII smoke ANYTHING that came out then. No current PC game maker really utilizes dual core to its full potential so why would a 3 core CPU be maxed already. It makes me laugh for somebody to say that after almost two years the 360 has been "maxed out". We'll see. Besides, Xbox 360 is a 5 to 6 year console, like all others have been up to this point but the PS3 -- a 10 year console. We'll be seeing new MS hardware on store shelves by 2010 or 2011 at the latest. What is Sony going to do then? More importantly, what will the reporter who wrote this article be doing then?

LOL,

Alex

[miserabillis]

This argument has been stated of most consoles at one point or another. It makes me laugh that after almost two years the 360 has been maxed out. We'll see. Besides, Xbox 360 is a 5 to 6 year console, like all others have been up to this point but the PS3. We'll be seeing new MS hardware on store shelves by 2010 or 2011 at the latest. What is Sony going to do then?
indeed like xbox 1..and yeah sony lifetime sux only a measly and pitiful 10 years for each console bohoo xD not halo but i think mass effect is the limit of xbox .but ps3 they havent even devoloped games for ps3 only a couple and the rest was on 360 and ported so xbox has been RAPED while the ps3 has been scratched

[benny32]

Xbox 720 cant be that far off. Halo wars will serve as a buffer until MS is ready to drop the 720 on sonys head.

I remember clearly the ps2 having nothing for months on end, yet it still sold like hot cakes. The majority purchase items because it is cool.

[Tridek2]

I wonder how a high selling game can ruin a console :confused:

*reads first post again*

Still doesn't make much sense :o

[canadajames]

I'm a sony fanboy and this don't make sense if they put out another halo4 before 360 dies off then that'll just makes sales this great again the hardware sales are gonna slowdown but at this rate software seems to be making the money for 360.

[OmenLW]

how stupid....

all microsoft has to do is release Gears Of War 2

run with the Gears Of War series like they did with Halo and boom, you got another billion dollar series to prolong the consoles life. think about it

[xllzerollx]

I'm a sony fanboy and this don't make sense if they put out another halo4 before 360 dies off then that'll just makes sales this great again the hardware sales are gonna slowdown but at this rate software seems to be making the money for 360.

exactly, the same way sony gets a final fantasy game and everypone runds to get it, like happened with FF slim psp
just keep making halo 4 5 6 7 and they will keep selling

[satel]

yeb 360 reached its peak in terms of what it can offer for the years to come, its struggling already & wont be able to go any further than this & slowly devs will realise this & start putting their hard work on the more advanced & capeable ps3 console, there is no doubt the ps3 sooner or later will become their primary platform.

[JacKz5o]

Interesting.

[satel]

exactly, the same way sony gets a final fantasy game and everypone runds to get it, like happened with FF slim psp
just keep making halo 4 5 6 7 and they will keep selling



do you realise that making a game like halo3 takes 2-3 years & microsoft cant be dependant on 1 less than average fps game that hardly has anything new to offer the fps genre .on the other hand the future proof ps3 has dozens of killer apps that will sell the console & i'm sure the flow will continue for many years to come.as for you mentioning psp's crisis core you need to do some reading the psp slim sold 3 times more without this final fantasy crisis core you talking about.

[DaFireStarter]

The only thing that is limiting the 360 and the PS3 is the graphics and controllers wheres else the Wii *might* have unlimited possibilities if it really can do 1:1 motions. The PS3 graphics have all ready been maxed out! The PS3 is struggling to keep up with the 360. Don't believe me? Look at all multiplatform games. They all suck compared to the 360 version which usually has adleast a step up in AA. And graphic coding don't really need to be "learned* as OGL has been around forever while the 360 uses DirectX 10 with the exception of the geometry shader. Neither the 360 or PS3 CPU have been used up 100% and probably will never be used fully in any game. Halo 3 does not fully use the 360's potential fully like Gears and Bioshock has. Just wait for Fable 2, Too Human, and *Mass Effect* before say something stupid like this again!

The only thing limiting this gen is the graphics which 360 has a hand up in.

[miserabillis]

The only thing that is limiting the 360 and the PS3 is the graphics and controllers wheres else the Wii *might* have unlimited possibilities if it really can do 1:1 motions. The PS3 graphics have all ready been maxed out! The PS3 is struggling to keep up with the 360. Don't believe me? Look at all multiplatform games. They all suck compared to the 360 version which usually has adleast a step up in AA. And graphic coding don't really need to be "learned* as OGL has been around forever while the 360 uses DirectX 10 with the exception of the geometry shader. Neither the 360 or PS3 CPU have been used up 100% and probably will never be used fully in any game. Halo 3 does not fully use the 360's potential fully like Gears and Bioshock has. Just wait for Fable 2, Too Human, and *Mass Effect* before say something stupid like this again!

The only thing limiting this gen is the graphics which 360 has a hand up in.

pffpffpt..ehem"cough" as i said mass effect will be the limit of xbox and thats it and about ps3 graphics suck well here is the TRUE DARK SECRET..the devs say "well i want to make multiplatform game untill ps3 price cut so what should i do? i cant make it uber graphics for ps3 then xbox and pc cant run it so..hmmm...AHA ill just make the graphics xbox and pc level and also put them on ps3..im sorry but thats the truth

[maxRus]

yeb 360 reached its peak in terms of what it can offer for the years to come, its struggling already & wont be able to go any further than this & slowly devs will realise this & start putting their hard work on the more advanced & capeable ps3 console, there is no doubt the ps3 sooner or later will become their primary platform.

Thats Probably the Dumbest Thing I have ever heard. PUBLISHERS/DEVS are going to Make Whatever game On which ever System is going to Make them the MOST MONEY!!! Why do you think Konomi is having Doubts on keeping their Games Exclusive to SONY?? Because they have to turn a Profit. Its always about Money. You think any Company CAres about GAMERS? Its all about MONEY. Metal Gear On the Wii Would sell about 5-7 million copies Easy if they dropped it tomorrow! and they know it. Dont be supprised to see the new MG on the Wii. Why do you think he is going to be on Super smash Bros??? MONEY!!!!!!!

[Reset]

ppl amaze me sometimes. A high profile game is gonna kill it now huh? so, does that mean sony is purposley holding back great games so they don't destroy their system.

I still think Super Mario World was the greatest SNES game ever made, and it came with the console when I got it, yet somehow I was able to manage to enjoy the system for another 5-6 years.

If anything, this is the start. not the end.

[firaX]

OH please techinically Halo 3 SURELY isnt even close to the end of the xbox, and also gameplay wise it would be sad if halo 3 was all there could be, maybe hype wise yes, however the xbox360 still has enough potential for other great games.

[robo22]

The PS3 graphics have all ready been maxed out! The PS3 is struggling to keep up with the 360. Don't believe me? Look at all multiplatform games. They all suck compared to the 360 version which usually has adleast a step up in AA.

Actually, I think its been established that this is due to lazy developers like EA. The only real place the ps3 is struggling with is not having a network like xbox live and having all of their multiplatform games delayed.

[danight]

funny... people will say anything to get their name in the news.
Oh yeah the 360 is selling great, there is tons of great games released. hey there is awesome equals coming out. The 360 has the best game library out there. The xbox 360 is gonna do bundles.

man if this is bad things id hate to see what they say about the ps3. Highest price system, bad line up of games, constant delays and phil harrison. :D

[DaFireStarter]

Actually, I think its been established that this is due to lazy developers like EA. The only real place the ps3 is struggling with is not having a network like xbox live and having all of their multiplatform games delayed.
Look up rage on ign.com. look at the tech 5 demo. They said that the PS3 is harder to port because it only has 256 mb of GDDR 3 memory. They even go as far as to say that "the PS3 is the problem child". It takes several more months to get a PS3 as close as possible to the 360 version of the game and even then some games really suffer like FEAR and Splinter DA. Look it up and you'll see. AS for the 10 year life span. I think Sony is full of it as they all ways are.

[paddy29]

I love max console and I love my PSP. But the Sony hype machine here makes me sick to my f**king stomach. I hope you realise how many people get turned off when every time they click a link they get hit with the same idiots spouting the same biased ****. The japanese f***ing hate us they are almost racist in their refusal to deal with westerns. Lets owe them the favour back.

[sigma8]

how stupid....

all microsoft has to do is release Gears Of War 2

run with the Gears Of War series like they did with Halo and boom, you got another billion dollar series to prolong the consoles life. think about it
Not their decision to make. For all you know, that game may be a PS3 exclusive. Epic is not a MS-owned studio, and AFAIK they also do not own the rights to the "Gears of War" name.

[OmenLW]

Not their decision to make. For all you know, that game may be a PS3 exclusive. Epic is not a MS-owned studio, and AFAIK they also do not own the rights to the "Gears of War" name.


so are we thinking bungie is retiring? they have created such a huge fan base they just need to create another fps game and halo fanboys will eat it up. ms needs to pick em up again for exclusivity so it wouldnt matter if GOW goes multi platform.

im pretty sure MS knows what they are doing. there is no way they would peak their console this early in its life. they pay a lot of people 7 figures a year to keep that from happening lol

[msanchez]

Look up rage on ign.com. look at the tech 5 demo. They said that the PS3 is harder to port because it only has 256 mb of GDDR 3 memory. They even go as far as to say that "the PS3 is the problem child". It takes several more months to get a PS3 as close as possible to the 360 version of the game and even then some games really suffer like FEAR and Splinter DA. Look it up and you'll see. AS for the 10 year life span. I think Sony is full of it as they all ways are.

For the life of me I can't understand why of all things people doubt that the ps3 will still have games released 10 years down the road. It's perfectly possible that in another 7 - 8 years there will be already a ps4, but that doesn't mean that they will stop making games for the ps3, just like it happened with the ps1 and ps2, and now ps2 - ps3.

As far as the graphics argument, I won't venture to say which is more capable since I haven't really coded for any of them, but I'm pretty sure that the ps3 is nowhere near done growing. It's harder to code then the 360 right? so how in the Hell could they have learned to optimize code for it in a shorter time then the 360? and as other have said, do you expect game developers to make a game for the system with the 5 million user base and the ported over to the one with the 11 million user base? in other words graphics are quite probably optimized for the 360 and it's architecture, so when you try to port that to the ps3 you'll obviously have problems; same way you'll probably hit a few bumps trying to port from the ps3 to the 360.

And lastly about the topic, if ms wouldn't have discontinued the original xbox they might have been able to pull this game off (ok maybe not, but pretty close, look at ninja gaiden), so I HIGHLY doubt that this is it. Besides isn't everyone saying that this isn't the most purrteest looking game on the 360? so why are they using this as the pinnacle of 360 graphics?..... has the hype made them forget the 360 has other games?

[paddy29]

And there arrives an idiot sony fanboy just in time. Why do an exclusive for an inferior lesser selling cosole. Only idiot japanese would do tat and even then it aint certaint.

[paddy29]

PS3 and 360 dev kits have been around the same time. The PS3 got delayed because of blu-ray. The PS3 is a piece of **** compared to 360 in every single game. Sony has already lost. Time to face up to this fact.

[Reset]

Not their decision to make. For all you know, that game may be a PS3 exclusive. Epic is not a MS-owned studio, and AFAIK they also do not own the rights to the "Gears of War" name.
Actually they do own the Gears of War name, but thats all they own. Epic owns the characters, the world, and the story. So yes, Epic can make a multiplatform Gears of War as long as they named it something else.

[miserabillis]

PS3 and 360 dev kits have been around the same time. The PS3 got delayed because of blu-ray. The PS3 is a piece of **** compared to 360 in every single game. Sony has already lost. Time to face up to this fact.
every1 wait man nobody knows what will happen wait for some time and its too soon xbox and wii have sold 10 mill each ps1 and 2 sold 100+ million each and won the war so 10 mill is nothing to declare a win....so just play for now whoever wins zeus will post it so no worries

[AceMilo]

What an idiot and an idiodic article. There's no less than 6 games coming out in the next 6 months that I'm going to buy and probably another 6 I plan on renting. The 360 is far from dead, I'm sure there will be more games from bungie, I wouldn't mind seeing a new ip from them. I'm glad they ended halo, it could have gotten really old and drawn out and have 13+ sequels like some other franchies that should have died a long time ago. Gears of war 2 is inevitable, most likely next year since MS said they want a halo game and a gow game every other year. I hope they mean a bungie game and not a halo game because we'll end up seeing stupid games like ddr halo or halo hero just to drag out the series which is a bad thing.

[miserabillis]

What an idiot and an idiodic article. There's no less than 6 games coming out in the next 6 months that I'm going to buy and probably another 6 I plan on renting. The 360 is far from dead, I'm sure there will be more games from bungie, I wouldn't mind seeing a new ip from them. I'm glad they ended halo, it could have gotten really old and drawn out and have 13+ sequels like some other franchies that should have died a long time ago. Gears of war 2 is inevitable, most likely next year since MS said they want a halo game and a gow game every other year. I hope they mean a bungie game and not a halo game because we'll end up seeing stupid games like ddr halo or halo hero just to drag out the series which is a bad thing.
yeah future games are nice mass effect.too human and bungie are working with my fave peter jackson BUT please dont EVER again mock FF i'd like to see another person make a series like ff each time new story.new characters.new names..new cities..new envirements..new worlds..new battle system..new summons..new magic..new gameplay..new graphics..NEW everything and if you think ppl who buy it are stupid yeah maybe 80-100million ppl are stupid who have bought it

[saas474]

funny... people will say anything to get their name in the news.
Oh yeah the 360 is selling great, there is tons of great games released. hey there is awesome equals coming out. The 360 has the best game library out there. The xbox 360 is gonna do bundles.

man if this is bad things id hate to see what they say about the ps3. Highest price system, bad line up of games, constant delays and phil harrison. :D

danight i think u get the nail on the head
beside if things continue like that then PS3=Dream Cast or GameCube (At best)
also the 10 years plan is a joke .. 3-4 years from now we'll see the New Microsoft console that will make the PS3 look like NES , and maybe nintendo will take the same Road as microsoft.

[andreo]

I own the Wii, 360, and PS3. I've had a great time with all 3. So I don't really care about the 360's power being maxed out (not that I actually believe that has been). There has been some great games on the console, and there will be more great ones. Some will be exclusive, others will not.
The same will hold true for the PS3. I will continue to buy or rent the games that interest me and when the next wave of consoles come out I will most likely be putting in my pre-order for them also.

The hand wringing and proclamations that "my console can beat up your console" falls on deaf ears with me.

[thefunkhunter]

according to this article when the wii releases mario galaxy later this year apparently it will be all over for the wii as well, they can't go anywhere after they release their best game, right??? Oh and after ps3 releases metal gear solid early next year they will be finished as well, i guess next gen gaming only will last one year.

[msanchez]

yeah future games are nice mass effect.too human and bungie are working with my fave peter jackson BUT please dont EVER again mock FF i'd like to see another person make a series like ff each time new story.new characters.new names..new cities..new envirements..new worlds..new battle system..new summons..new magic..new gameplay..new graphics..NEW everything and if you think ppl who buy it are stupid yeah maybe 80-100million ppl are stupid who have bought it

Well I do agree that FF isn't anything to get mocked, if you don't appreciate the game then that's fine, but those of us that do like them don't want to see it finished. Besides FF has only done about 3 sequels for any particular story (X-X2, VII-Dirge, Tactics-XII-Revenant Wings). I don't get why people are so against sequels, if the game has a good story and gameplay then what's the big deal if some things are familiar? Anyways, FF does recycle some things like most Summon monsters, magic, techs, but the stories are another matter. Take XII for example, they set a new standard with all the political intrigue that was going on in that one, in VIII they went with a sci-fi soap opera theme, in VII they introduced us to the depressed emo punk of a main character, so all the stories change. In the end you always save the world, but from the time you start to when you finish there's always a lot of differences.

As long as things are interesting we won't get tired of any of their 8 thousand iterations. Look at the X-Men, how long have those comic books been around? and yet they make a game it sells well, they make a movie it makes does pretty decent at the box office, and the 30+ year comic books still sell. I believe in improving things, and that is what I think they've done with FF and I've played every FF game from the NES, SNES, PS1, PS2 so I think I have some sort of clue as to what I'm talking about.

[grapeape]

Well that was a couple minutes of my life i'll never get back. That has to be one of the most stupid articles I have ever read. Microsoft must have done something amazing as no console in history before it was ever maxed out in its first 2 years of release. Is that development platform that great? Ever since MS made the decision (a wise one IMHO) to focus on games that were actually in the near future rather than stuff that is years away people have acted like suddenly the game flow is just going to stop and no one is going to make decent games anymore. I guess in hindsight MS should have talked bout Theseis, Dead Island, The Secret World, Too Human, Postal 3, Sacred 2, Project Progressive, Marvel Universe Online, Halo Wars, Huxley, CryOn, etc rather than talking about the stuff that was actually coming out this year. :rolleyes:

[Hidari_Mak]

A gaming website is putting forward the view that Halo 3 could be the tip of the ice berg for the XBox 360, leaving MS with no where to go.
MS have spent millions to develop & secure AAA titles and now their resources have reached their optimal potential and things can't get any better than they have in the last six months. Now as developers realize that the 360 has gone as far as possible they are more likely to focus primarily on the PS3 rather than porting games over from the Xbox 360. Its unclear where MS can go from here.

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Sorry Zeus, but that article you referenced has to be one of the stupidest ones I've seen published in a while. What major console (as in over 10 million sold) had its most technically advanced game ever released within its first two years of release? Not the NES, not the Atari 2600, not the Gameboy, not the SMS... well, you get the idea.

Now if those single processor, no graphics chip consoles can redefine their limits every year or so, why should a triple core CPU with a revolutionary graphics chip be limited to two years?

The whole idea behind a first party creating a massively popular game is to promote the console itself. I don't recall Genesis third parties dropping support when Sonic was released. Oddly enough, I also can't recall the SNES going through that after Super Mario World, or PS1 support dropping off after (third party, but same point) Final Fantasy VII. All of those consoles had better looking games released in the years following, as well.

[pneumat]

I own the Wii, 360, and PS3. I've had a great time with all 3. So I don't really care about the 360's power being maxed out (not that I actually believe that has been). There has been some great games on the console, and there will be more great ones. Some will be exclusive, others will not.
The same will hold true for the PS3. I will continue to buy or rent the games that interest me and when the next wave of consoles come out I will most likely be putting in my pre-order for them also.

Me too.I also have all three consoles.But in my case i think its true that the power being maxed out.Sure there will be come games a littel bit better than Mass Effect but thats all.
If you read the technical details and ask a littel bit on the web you will recognize games like Mass Effect are the max power of 360.


danight i think u get the nail on the head
beside if things continue like that then PS3=Dream Cast or GameCube (At best)
also the 10 years plan is a joke .. 3-4 years from now we'll see the New Microsoft console that will make the PS3 look like NES , and maybe nintendo will take the same Road as microsoft.

Ok this "up to 10 year" think is defenitly a fake.But that M$ will start a counter console is a dream of you.
Do you know how many money M$ must spent for the 3RLOD design flow?
Mann a lot!They have other problems at this time.
A new Console of M$ is befor 2012 not possible.And if M$ and Nintendo decide to release a new console $ony will not be in the background and watch them.
The Cell CPU have enough power for a second generation.So $ony only have to change to bigger RAMs and use a new maybe 9000 GeForce like the RSX now and in time of 2 Years they have a new PS4

But im realy interested how M$ and BigN will fight against this.Im sure that BigN will release a FAT Next-Gen Console and M$ also have learned from the disaster of the 360.
So im pretty sure that the Next-Gen will be one of the biggest steps of the Console History.

ps. Remember: Epic says about his game Gears of War that it is almost to use the max power of the 360.

[sir crx]

Who writes this stuff?

What a joke...

[sigma8]

Besides, Xbox 360 is a 5 to 6 year console, like all others have been up to this point but the PS3 -- a 10 year console. We'll be seeing new MS hardware on store shelves by 2010 or 2011 at the latest. What is Sony going to do then?

A very good question. What do you think will be better? In 5 or 6 years, would you choose between a console with hundreds of amazing AAA games that run in HD? Or would you choose a brand new console with no games, also running in HD?

Sure, the games will probably have better graphics, but I think the big question-mark, is how much better will the next generation be, if it's released only 5-6 years after the previous generation. Remember that the PS2 is currently doing very well, and the PS2 isn't even high-def capable.

When we're at the next generation, and everything is a level playing field, in terms of high definition content... will it be worth it to buy a brand new $400 console over a $150 PS3? What are the games going to do, exactly? Will the jump be worth it?

I think within a couple years, we'll have console games on the PS3/360 looking as good as Crysis on the PC...running at 720p at least. Simply due to code optimizations and clever programming and design. What do you think will be next? Running everything at a solid 1080p versus 720p? I doubt that will be enough. What else? Higher resolution textures?

I'm sure there will definitely be incremental improvements, but I just have my doubts they will be compelling. Look at the Wii. It's proof that technical superiority is no longer an ace in the hole.

[sigma8]

so are we thinking bungie is retiring? they have created such a huge fan base they just need to create another fps game and halo fanboys will eat it up. ms needs to pick em up again for exclusivity so it wouldnt matter if GOW goes multi platform.

im pretty sure MS knows what they are doing. there is no way they would peak their console this early in its life. they pay a lot of people 7 figures a year to keep that from happening lol
I'm not saying Bungie is quitting, but I think it's pretty clear that Halo is first and foremost a Microsoft property, not a Bungie property. Bungie just happens to be the developer. Microsoft is very possessive over the brand name for Halo, and I feel they have emphasized the "Halo" name, instead of promoting Bungie's awesomeness. What I'm trying to get at, is I don't think a new IP that Bungie worked on would enjoy as much guaranteed success as another Halo game.

Plus, either way, it would seem that MS has all its eggs in one basket. They have a couple first party studios under their belt, but apart from Halo, who is releasing must-have games? Rare? I think their track record as a MS property has been somewhat disappointing...maybe someday Nintendo will regret selling their stake, but judging by how things have been going, it seems like more genius on Nintendo's part.

[sigma8]

Actually they do own the Gears of War name, but thats all they own. Epic owns the characters, the world, and the story. So yes, Epic can make a multiplatform Gears of War as long as they named it something else.
Funky! Thanks for that info. Very interesting. They could make Gears of Peace! Or Cogs of War!

[bobbyballard]

This is a fucking stupid article and a stupid fucking thread.

Thought you'd like to know.

[John Crichton]

omg, there will be much better games than this overhyped halo 3. Like Assassin's Creed and Mass Effect.

[o PUMPKINHEAD o]

I'm sure the opinion would have been the same if Halo 3 hadn't done well.

[Punyetta]

This is a fucking stupid article and a stupid fucking thread.

Thought you'd like to know.

My thoughts exactly.

@Sigma8 #38 post

When they produce next-gen consoles they always consider backwards compatibility.I don't think PS3 will be $150 by then unless Blu-ray drive prices go down lower than DVD drives.

[pangbulle]

LOL whoever came up with this idiotic speculation has clearly never heard of Guitar hero 3 or Rock Band.

[RZRX]

Peaked with Halo 3? :D

Now I like Halo but I reckon Bioshock, Mass Effect, GTA 4 and countless other upcoming titles, will be better.

[Xenogears V]

I had already told.

After Halo 3, there shall be no more

The only hope is to see Gear Of War 2, but the date is so distant that the people could forget the 360.

[Black RL]

BIOSHOCK
FORZA MOTORSPORT 2
PROJECT GOTHAM RACING 3
STRANGLEHOLD
HALO3
NHL 2008
NBA 2008
PES6
COMMAND AND CONQUER 3
OBLIVION
GEARS OF WAR
BLUE DRAGON

TO BE RELEASED:

FABLE 2
NINJA GAIDEN 2
VIRTUA FIGHTER 5 WITH ONLINE
UNREAL TOURNMENT 3
ASSASSINS CREED
SPLINTER CELL: CONVICTION
DEVIL MAY CRY 4
HAZE
LOST ODYSSEY
MASS EFFECT
TO HUMAN
GEARS OF WAR 2
GEARS OF WAR 3
PES2008
CALL OF DUTY 4
SILENT HILL 5
ALONE IN THE DARK 5
JERICHO
PROJECTO GOTHAM RACING 4
GTA4 WITH EXCLUSIVE CONTENT
HALO WARS
HAZE
RESIDENT EVIL 5
AND MANY MORE TO COME!

Just to talk in SOME AAA titles.

O NO! WHAT SHOULD MICROSOFT DO? :eek:

O NO! WHAT SHOULD DEVELOPERS DO? FORGET ABOUT 12.000.000 AND COUNTING CONSOLES SOLD? :eek:

Just play the games! Should it be on 360 or PS3! :D

[SoulThief]

BIOSHOCK
FORZA MOTORSPORT 2
PROJECT GOTHAM RACING 3
STRANGLEHOLD
HALO3
NHL 2008
NBA 2008
PES6
COMMAND AND CONQUER 3
OBLIVION
GEARS OF WAR
BLUE DRAGON

TO BE RELEASED:

FABLE 2
NINJA GAIDEN 2
VIRTUA FIGHTER 5 WITH ONLINE
UNREAL TOURNMENT 3
ASSASSINS CREED
SPLINTER CELL: CONVICTION
DEVIL MAY CRY 4
HAZE
LOST ODYSSEY
MASS EFFECT
TO HUMAN
GEARS OF WAR 2
GEARS OF WAR 3
PES2008
CALL OF DUTY 4
SILENT HILL 5
ALONE IN THE DARK 5
JERICHO
PROJECTO GOTHAM RACING 4
GTA4 WITH EXCLUSIVE CONTENT
HALO WARS
HAZE
RESIDENT EVIL 5
AND MANY MORE TO COME!

Just to talk in SOME AAA titles.

O NO! WHAT SHOULD MICROSOFT DO? :eek:

O NO! WHAT SHOULD DEVELOPERS DO? FORGET ABOUT 12.000.000 AND COUNTING CONSOLES SOLD? :eek:

Just play the games! Should it be on 360 or PS3! :D
Isn't Haze a PS3 exclusive?

[Black RL]

Timed exclusive.

[Dark_Vendetta]

Timed exclusive.

No I think it's a exclusive. But do you really want to play this game ? :D

[Trashcat]

No I think it's a exclusive. But do you really want to play this game ? :D
No-one mentioned Haze before but now as soon as it became its every sony fanboy's most wanted, still it will never be anything more than console rip-off of Crysis.

[Black RL]

It's a timed exclusive, I'm sorry if I disappoint some of you.

I don't really care about HAZE, I have HALO3 and I'm looking for COD4 and maybe JERICHO.....

Anyway, did you all see the new id engine for 360, PS3 and PC? Please check the links!

id - http://www.idsoftware.com/business/press/index.php?date=20070611000000
Video - http://www.gametrailers.com/player/20463.html
More videos - http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=4440

Things can only get better! :D

[Oner]

The PS3 graphics have all ready been maxed out! The PS3 is struggling to keep up with the 360. Don't believe me? Look at all multiplatform games. They all suck compared to the 360 version which usually has adleast a step up in AA. And graphic coding don't really need to be "learned* as OGL has been around forever while the 360 uses DirectX 10 with the exception of the geometry shader. Neither the 360 or PS3 CPU have been used up 100% and probably will never be used fully in any game. Halo 3 does not fully use the 360's potential fully like Gears and Bioshock has. Just wait for Fable 2, Too Human, and *Mass Effect* before say something stupid like this again!

The only thing limiting this gen is the graphics which 360 has a hand up in.

This without a doubt is the most blind, incoherent, unsubstantiated biased bs comment I have EVER read ANYWHERE on the net. I guess this comment by an actual Half Life Dev has no validity...:rolleyes:

The PlayStation 3 is a very powerful machine. Currently, the entire game (Half Life 2: episode 2 the orange box) itself is being run on solely the RSX and not even the SPU's! This is also given in light of the fact that the game is definitely intense in it's graphics, but also intense in its physics as well. Now imagine all that running solely on RSX, without the slightest NEED for the SPU's. A truly wondrous machine.

For the 360, we are already using close to 90-95% of its power capability, believe it or not. Crank up the physics on the 360, and all hell breaks loose. At the moment, we've reached 95% recognized power on the 360 and the PS3 is still a complete blank for us, considering only the RSX is being used for everything.

I guess an non coder, non industry, totally biased, mediocre forum poster knows more than people actually in the business of making games....who knew!? :rolleyes:

[msanchez]

BIOSHOCK
FORZA MOTORSPORT 2
PROJECT GOTHAM RACING 3
STRANGLEHOLD mutiplatform
HALO3
NHL 2008 multiplatform
NBA 2008 multiplaform
PES6 multiplatform
COMMAND AND CONQUER 3
OBLIVION multiplaform
GEARS OF WAR
BLUE DRAGON

TO BE RELEASED:

FABLE 2
NINJA GAIDEN 2 *I can only hope that this will be a timed exclusive
VIRTUA FIGHTER 5 WITH ONLINE *multiplatform
UNREAL TOURNMENT 3 *multiplatform
ASSASSINS CREED *multiplatform
SPLINTER CELL: CONVICTION
DEVIL MAY CRY 4 *multiplatform
HAZE *Dev says exclusive, you say multi, I'll give you the point anyways
LOST ODYSSEY *Another one I wouldn't mind playing
MASS EFFECT
TO HUMAN
GEARS OF WAR 2 *was this already announced?
GEARS OF WAR 3 *Part 3 when part 2 is still a few years away?
PES2008 *multiplatform
CALL OF DUTY 4 *multiplatform
SILENT HILL 5 *multiplatform
ALONE IN THE DARK 5 *multiplatform
JERICHO *multiplatform
PROJECTO GOTHAM RACING 4
GTA4 WITH EXCLUSIVE CONTENT *multiplatform, minus the exculsive content
HALO WARS
HAZE *Deja vu???????
RESIDENT EVIL 5 *multiplatform

So your list is very good, and it shows that both the ps3 and the 360 will be getting many great games.

[Black RL]

Believe it or not both consoles only have 512 megabytes of memory, and believe it or not both have identical graphic cards.

In terms os graphics there's nothing much different in both....

Why the hell you think KILLZONE2 and PROJECT GOTHAM RACING 4 are BOTH in 780p?

[Black RL]

So your list is very good, and it shows that both the ps3 and the 360 will be getting many great games.

You are correct Sir! :D

That's my point exactly! :D

Both are here to stay! :D

[Jinx13378]

GEARS OF WAR 2 *was this already announced?


Yes, recently.

Scheduled for 2008.

[aic007]

uhhhhh, yeah the tip of the iceberg. It's a good thing that the tip is only 1/10 of the mass of an iceberg. what an idiot.

[AlphaTrion]

This without a doubt is the most blind, incoherent, unsubstantiated biased bs comment I have EVER read ANYWHERE on the net. I guess this comment by an actual Half Life Dev has no validity...:rolleyes:



I guess an non coder, non industry, totally biased, mediocre forum poster knows more than people actually in the business of making games....who knew!? :rolleyes:


They are speaking for themselves on what THEY are doing with their software and effects they want to use!!! Just because they have some trouble doesn't mean another developer will. look at what different devs did with the UNREAL3 engine.

[n0rthstar]

Its far from the end for the 360, theres plenty of new stuff coming out.

The way i see it is games developers never release their best effort first time out, unless its a 1 trick pony. They have to leave things out so they can release sequels later on by adding new stuff and making the game better overall, look at games like PES or Tiger Woods, hell even Halo, they add stuff to it to make it better, Tiger is probably not a good example but theres a lot of games that are. Games developers arent stupid, they rarely give it you all on the first go when theres more money to be made on sequels... people still blindly buy Fifa Soccer with very little in the way of updates, but it has new things nevertheless.

The only consoles that were really pushed to their limits are pre PS2, because they were around for much longer so they worked out new ways to make things faster and better. Its probably going to be the same this time around as processing speed isnt doubling every 18 months anymore like it was predicted way back. So we are probably stuck with this generation of consoles for a while as theres nowhere to go other than gfx and memory updates.

I for one am happy what the 360 does already, its amazing how it looks on a widescreen LCD compared to my old xbox (and 360) through a standard TV... I believe theres a lot more to come, you'd have to be blind (or a PS3 fanboy) to not see that with the great game lineup for the future.

[ersatz]

So I can play games like Bioshock, halo 3 and soon Mass Effect and some other promising games on a maxed out 360 or I can sit in awe of the ps3s potential and play a mediocre game like Lair. Tough choice.

[alexandertyler]

Not their decision to make. For all you know, that game may be a PS3 exclusive. Epic is not a MS-owned studio, and AFAIK they also do not own the rights to the "Gears of War" name.

Gears of War was co-produced by MS, it will NEVER be on ANY other system unless MS gives it the OK.

Later,

Alex

[sigma8]

@Sigma8 #38 post

When they produce next-gen consoles they always consider backwards compatibility.I don't think PS3 will be $150 by then unless Blu-ray drive prices go down lower than DVD drives.

Assuming blu-ray continues to sell, I'm pretty confident the gap will be either small or meaningless. DVD players went from $500 to $50 in about 6 years, so I dont' see why the PS3 would cost more than $150...maybe $200, five years from now. Sony was putting a lot of bleeding edge components in there, components that cost a premium. Bleeding edge components are the same components whose prices drop the fastest.

It's a problem with production yields, not some intrinsic value. They're not building these things out of De Beers diamonds.

[sigma8]

So I can play games like Bioshock, halo 3 and soon Mass Effect and some other promising games on a maxed out 360 or I can sit in awe of the ps3s potential and play a mediocre game like Lair. Tough choice.

Seriously, you should play heavenly sword. Everyone I know who has played it is amazed. Naturally, if you go into it wanting it to suck, it will suck. I can play Halo3 looking only for flaws, and that's all I'll see. You have to approach a game just as a game. Not as an advocacy platform.

[AceMilo]

NINJA GAIDEN 2 *I can only hope that this will be a timed exclusive

Ninja giaden 2 is being published by tecmo and microsoft studios so you can 100% guarantee it won't ever be on ps3. It will have the microsoft game studios logo, so no ps3.

[iratasan]

why exactly is this killing the 360? it is just another shooter, somthing the 360 was good with from the beginning. shooter fans will buy the next one and the one after that and so on. even if i would like halo 3 it's not like would stop buying shooters because after halo 3 i would stop being interested into that genre because it would have been TOO awesome and i could not take it anymore. apart from that, this is (hopefully) not the 360s highpoint, because if it is then you will see mine on ebay soon, plus i like GOW and bioshock much much more.

[end3rbr0]

Ninja giaden 2 is being published by tecmo and microsoft studios so you can 100% guarantee it won't ever be on ps3. It will have the microsoft game studios logo, so no ps3.

where did you get that little tidbit of information?

[AceMilo]

where did you get that little tidbit of information?

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/686/686645.html

Right hand side, published by tecmo/Microsoft. It's also been stated by both microsoft and tecmo since they announced it at tgs.

[msanchez]

Ninja giaden 2 is being published by tecmo and microsoft studios so you can 100% guarantee it won't ever be on ps3. It will have the microsoft game studios logo, so no ps3.

Oh well C'est la vie, you can't win 'em all I guess.

[Alastair]

yeb 360 reached its peak in terms of what it can offer for the years to come, its struggling already & wont be able to go any further than this & slowly devs will realise this & start putting their hard work on the more advanced & capeable ps3 console, there is no doubt the ps3 sooner or later will become their primary platform.

Exactly! You're one smart guy. This phenomenal success for Microsoft will be their downfall. Multiple records for biggest entertainment launches EVER around the world = BAAAAD news for Microsoft.
The recent success of the 360 means that the PS3 will be winning anytime soon...right? Genius.

[hacktek]

So halo 3 is the best the 360 can do? Don't make me laugh...

[Hidari_Mak]

Believe it or not both consoles only have 512 megabytes of memory, and believe it or not both have identical graphic cards.

In terms os graphics there's nothing much different in both....

Not to pick nits, but that's not quite correct. The 360 has 512MB of memory that can be used, in its entirety, on an as-per-needed basis for both graphics and the processor. The PS3 has it split, with 256MB for each, and developers hoping to some day learn how to borrow from one for the other. The PS3 also doesn't have a separate 10MB cache on its GPU (meaning that anti-aliasing requires a processor hit), is lacking some shader effects, and has a larger amount of memory set aside for its dashboard.

Overall, the PS3 can make up for it with a processor that's designed for rapid physics calculations, so any game that has an abundance of that at a time (or any unusually large amounts of high level math) would effectively be easier to set up on the PS3. 360 programmers reportedly know of a few small ways of getting the GPU to assist with heavy calculations when needed, and several have expressed confidence on expanding on that possibility eventually.

Unfortunately, some people here believe that the 360 is easier to program for than the Sega Genesis or the Super Nintendo. :rolleyes:

[pneumat]

Originally Posted by Black RL
Believe it or not both consoles only have 512 megabytes of memory, and believe it or not both have identical graphic cards.

In terms os graphics there's nothing much different in both....

Are you drunk?Do you ever read the technical details from both Consoles/GPUs?

Show me one game on the 360 with such breadth of vision,realistic faces,lifelike emotions,photo realism backgrounds&Waterfalls and with 1000 up to 2000 in realtime rendering and processing enemis with no slow downs like Heavenly Sword on the PS3.
What,you cant found only one game?
So now say this bullshit again and you will be demasked as a 12y old boy who dont now that the whol arcitecture of a videoconsole will be make it to a good or a not so good console.


Originally Posted by Hidari_Mak
360 programmers reportedly know of a few small ways of getting the GPU to assist with heavy calculations when needed, and several have expressed confidence on expanding on that possibility eventually.

The Keyword are eventually!The PS3 can done this yet.And she only use 3 PUs and have other 5 PUs what can be used for GPU or CPU.
THE 360 NEVER BE CAN HAVE GAMES WITH SAME POWER LIKE ON THE PS3

[alexandertyler]

Time will tell. I'm just glad I own all 3.

Later,

Alex

[grapeape]

Are you drunk?Do you ever read the technical details from both Consoles/GPUs?

Show me one game on the 360 with such breadth of vision,realistic faces,lifelike emotions,photo realism backgrounds&Waterfalls and with 1000 up to 2000 in realtime rendering and processing enemis with no slow downs like Heavenly Sword on the PS3.
What,you cant found only one game?
So now say this bullshit again and you will be demasked as a 12y old boy who dont now that the whol arcitecture of a videoconsole will be make it to a good or a not so good console.


It aslo has the depth of an old 80's arcade beat em up. Ive only played it a couple of hours but as pretty as it may be, fans seem to avoid the problems with the title like waves of enemies that wait for you (on screen) to finish your current fight before approaching, puzzles and advancement consists of throwing hats at gongs and thats it. The combo system seems decent but its so repetative that I have no desire to go back and finish it. If they had spent half the time on the actual gameplay that they appear to have spent on the cinematics (which are fantastic btw) they would have had a classic instead of a pretty fighter that will be forgotten when better ones come out. Halo is not as photorealistic, no where as close to being as cinematic and is signifigantly weaker on the visuals compared to Heavenly Sword, however Halo3 has it beat in spades when it comes to fun, variety and replay value and without those IMHO $60 would be better spent of a couple of movies.


The Keyword are eventually!The PS3 can done this yet.And she only use 3 PUs and have other 5 PUs what can be used for GPU or CPU.
THE 360 NEVER BE CAN HAVE GAMES WITH SAME POWER LIKE ON THE PS3

Yet no developer seems to be able to use even 3 very effectively...maybe they will in the future, maybe it will never reach its potential.

[Hidari_Mak]

It aslo has the depth of an old 80's arcade beat em up. Ive only played it a couple of hours but as pretty as it may be, fans seem to avoid the problems with the title like waves of enemies that wait for you (on screen) to finish your current fight before approaching, puzzles and advancement consists of throwing hats at gongs and thats it. The combo system seems decent but its so repetative that I have no desire to go back and finish it. If they had spent half the time on the actual gameplay that they appear to have spent on the cinematics (which are fantastic btw) they would have had a classic instead of a pretty fighter that will be forgotten when better ones come out. Halo is not as photorealistic, no where as close to being as cinematic and is signifigantly weaker on the visuals compared to Heavenly Sword, however Halo3 has it beat in spades when it comes to fun, variety and replay value and without those IMHO $60 would be better spent of a couple of movies.

I'm guessing that you can answer this question more fairly then, based on your posting history. When the previous poster talks about "characters showing lifelike emotions", is this in the pre-rendered FMVs, or is it shown during gameplay? Do enemies physically wince in different ways when being clobbered, for example? Because if it's just in the pre-rendered footage, a PS1 could do just as well, just in a lower resolution.

Also, I'm not sure if it's fair to compare Heavenly Sword to Halo 3, since like you've said, the former plays more like an 80s arcade beat-em-up. There's a fair bit of physics calculations to consider for Halo 3, and the graphics have to be kept at a level where it can all keep up during online battles. A fairer comparison would've probably been Ninety-Nine Nights (practically a launch title) or Dead Rising. The gameplay seems pretty similar overall, and those games did feature up to 1,000 enemies on screen at some points.

On a different note, I love how people such as pneumat claim...

THE 360 NEVER BE CAN HAVE GAMES WITH SAME POWER LIKE ON THE PS3

From what I've seen of the PS3, it's able to do as good of a job as the 360 at similar titles, at best. Has there been a single PS3 game released so far which smokes all similar 360 games, for any genre? The PS3 fanboys act as if every PS3 game has, but I don't know of a single one which comes close.

[grapeape]

I'm guessing that you can answer this question more fairly then, based on your posting history. When the previous poster talks about "characters showing lifelike emotions", is this in the pre-rendered FMVs, or is it shown during gameplay? Do enemies physically wince in different ways when being clobbered, for example? Because if it's just in the pre-rendered footage, a PS1 could do just as well, just in a lower resolution.

Also, I'm not sure if it's fair to compare Heavenly Sword to Halo 3, since like you've said, the former plays more like an 80s arcade beat-em-up. There's a fair bit of physics calculations to consider for Halo 3, and the graphics have to be kept at a level where it can all keep up during online battles. A fairer comparison would've probably been Ninety-Nine Nights (practically a launch title) or Dead Rising. The gameplay seems pretty similar overall, and those games did feature up to 1,000 enemies on screen at some points.

On a different note, I love how people such as pneumat claim...



From what I've seen of the PS3, it's able to do as good of a job as the 360 at similar titles, at best. Has there been a single PS3 game released so far which smokes all similar 360 games, for any genre? The PS3 fanboys act as if every PS3 game has, but I don't know of a single one which comes close.

Its the cut scenes, they really did a great job of bridging the uncanny valley, the faces are very real looking. In game its still decent but you dont see facial expressions doing anything special most of the bad guys are wearing masks and bandana's anyway :)

Dont get me wrong its a decent game its just that once its over its over (well except for the "if we sell more we will make downloadable content" extortion on the part of the developer.

[pneumat]

Originally Posted by Hidari_Mak
The PS3 fanboys act as if every PS3 game has, but I don't know of a single one which comes close.
Please use your brain.If i where a PS Fanboy why i owen a 360?And why i play all good games on it?

And you never seen Mc.Dirt on PS3.It is a littel bit better than on the 360.With all the other games you will be correct.But that have nothing to do with the power of the PS3 this is only why programmers dono whant to do it better.For what?If we can make the same game on a PS3 for what we schould spent mor development/mor money?So they think.
But if you give a look for games on the PS3 they are PS3 exklusive like MotorStorm or HeavenlySword than you will be see games better than on the 360.

Originally Posted by grapeape
they would have had a classic instead of a pretty fighter that will be forgotten when better ones come out
Thats right.:(The combo system playes for my like a family idee.So that every one can play it Grandma,Father and the 12y old Littelsister:D
And its to short i actuelly dono know exectly but i think i finished it in 8h maybe a littel bit more.

Originally Posted by grapeape
....maybe it will never reach its potential.
Maybe they can boost up the RAM/GPU with this 5 Cores so rapidly that they can use 500MB of RAM for GPU.So that in fact they will have a new next-gen console with out the needing to develop it?Or maybe a meteor will come and finish the fight with the Taliban?
But i dont think so.Not yours!Not mine!;)

Originally Posted by Hidari_Mak
I'm guessing that you can answer this question more fairly then, based on your posting history. When the previous poster talks about "characters showing lifelike emotions", is this in the pre-rendered FMVs, or is it shown during gameplay? Do enemies physically wince in different ways when being clobbered, for example? Because if it's just in the pre-rendered footage, a PS1 could do just as well, just in a lower resolution.
Do you really want to comparse the PS3 to the PSX?If this is your true meening than youre demented.:)
Pre-rendered?They are all saved in game FMVs.For a few times there will be reall time in game FMVs and they 100% have the same look/gfx like the saved one.So no pre-rendered FMV.
But they look like pre-rendered FMVs!
How can i know this?A FMV can be overjumped with pushing the button.But reall time FMVs can only be to paused like the game self.
So we can see if it is a saved FMV or a reall time FMV.
AND MotionCapture will not be used for pre-rendered FMVs.MC are for the gameplay self.The "lifelike emotions" are MC.
At last you dono know what do you talking about.This 1000 up to 2000 enemies runs across a battelfield and you havae to shoot them with a big old canon.THEY ARE ALL REALL TIME IN GAME NOT IN A FOOTAGE!And they will be run for different ways.

Originally Posted by Hidari_Mak
Ninety-Nine Nights (practically a launch title) or Dead Rising....up to 1,000 enemies on screen at some points.

Wake up youre dreaming!:D

Originally Posted by grapeape
Dont get me wrong its a decent game its just that once its over its over (well except for the "if we sell more we will make downloadable content" extortion on the part of the developer.
Yop this i think too.Grrrr:mad:
I have to apologize my self @ grapeape.Becouse in a other Thread i so called him a 360 FanBoy but it seems im wrong.
@ this time i think he is the same Fanboy like me.We like all consolles with good games.But his tendency are to the 360 and mine to the PS3:)

Originally Posted by grapeape
but you dont see facial expressions doing anything special most of the bad guys are wearing masks and bandana's anyway:)

Correct.But i think this is becouse HS have a 4y development and the first 2y it was to developed for the XBOX1.;)
So in fact they only haved 2y for the PS3 version.And there for i think will all enemies be masked,No enough time:(

[Hidari_Mak]

But if you give a look for games on the PS3 they are PS3 exklusive like MotorStorm or HeavenlySword than you will be see games better than on the 360.

...which is exactly why I compared Resistance (a PS3 "exklusive") to Gears of War (a 360 "exklusive"). Do any non-360 FPSs show significantly more levels, better graphics, etc. on the PS3 than comparable 360 games? Any PS3 racers which put Forza 2 or PGR4 to shame? Any examples to back up your claim which you're stating as fact?

Motorstorm has less trackside detail (buildings, trees, general scenery, fewer people who react to the race, etc.) and fewer textures, so of course it can reserve a bit of power for slightly more car detail and flying dirt. Heavenly Sword had a larger budget (especially for the FMV), was a higher profile title, and IIRC was longer in development, for a slight graphics boost. And presuming that there really are 2,000 separate enemy characters on screen at any one time, it has little else to separate it from Ninety-Nine Nights on the 360.

Originally Posted by Hidari_Mak
I'm guessing that you can answer this question more fairly then, based on your posting history. When the previous poster talks about "characters showing lifelike emotions", is this in the pre-rendered FMVs, or is it shown during gameplay? Do enemies physically wince in different ways when being clobbered, for example? Because if it's just in the pre-rendered footage, a PS1 could do just as well, just in a lower resolution.

Do you really want to comparse the PS3 to the PSX?If this is your true meening than youre demented.:)

Pre-rendered?They are all saved in game FMVs.For a few times there will be reall time in game FMVs and they 100% have the same look/gfx like the saved one.So no pre-rendered FMV.
But they look like pre-rendered FMVs!
How can i know this?A FMV can be overjumped with pushing the button.But reall time FMVs can only be to paused like the game self.
So we can see if it is a saved FMV or a reall time FMV.

Grapeape tends to appear rational and reasonable in his posts, he'd already claimed that he had spent hours with Heavenly Sword, and that the only times he saw the realistic portrayal of emotions that you were talking about were in pre-rendered FMVs. The PS3 games I've personally seen were comparable (at best) to the better 360 titles, all major PS3 game reviews I've seen state a similar opinion, most of the personal reviews I've seen state as much, and you're the one who said "THE 360 NEVER BE CAN HAVE GAMES WITH SAME POWER LIKE ON THE PS3", so no offense if I don't buy your judgment.

Besides, who says that all game data has to be dumped from memory for a video clip to play? Only a small amount is needed for streaming the video, which could easily be in MPEG-2 format, requiring very little memory and resources to play. Several seconds to switch into and out of that is only a sign of poor programming.

AND MotionCapture will not be used for pre-rendered FMVs.MC are for the gameplay self.The "lifelike emotions" are MC.

There is no technical reason why motion capturing is not nor can not be done for pre-rendered footage. Computers and motion capturing are why rotoscoping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping) is no longer used by animators for that effect. And considering how unique that the human face can be, doing motion capture for individual facial expressions and not for the individual body movements doesn't make sense.

When the previous poster talks about "characters showing lifelike emotions", is this in the pre-rendered FMVs, or is it shown during gameplay?

At last you dono know what do you talking about.This 1000 up to 2000 enemies runs across a battelfield and you havae to shoot them with a big old canon.THEY ARE ALL REALL TIME IN GAME NOT IN A FOOTAGE!And they will be run for different ways.

I never stated that the number of enemies on screen was FMV. I asked if "characters showing lifelike emotion" was FMV.

Ninety-Nine Nights (practically a launch title) or Dead Rising....up to 1,000 enemies on screen at some points.

Wake up youre dreaming!:D

Please explain what part you can't figure out. Aside from the fact that I've played both games, they were heavily hyped as having that many enemies on screen at once at some points.

Please use your brain.If i where a PS Fanboy why i owen a 360?And why i play all good games on it?

Considering how you've claimed that the 360 has no hope of ever seeing more proficient coding techniques being developed, how the PS3 developers will find all sorts of amazing things to do to make PS3 games better on blind faith, your willingness to argue while showing a lack of understanding of the actual facts, your certainty that the PS3 will eventually become the #1 console despite all else, and your minority opinion that the average PS3 game looks considerably better than the average 360 game, how are you not a fanboy? And how does your claim of owning a 360 negate that?