burn speeds for wii games

[pcguy]

I have noticed a rather interesting myth floating around the net in regards to wii images and burning. What I mean is the urban legend of burning wii games or any console games at low speeds on your computer dvd burner drive. This is fallacy and there is a reason why this makes no sense at all.

All drives and media have rated speeds they will perform at. When using a 16x disc in a 20x burner the media and drive are tuned and calibrated for burning at the recommended speed. In fact, burning at a lower rate actually INCREASES the error rate you will experience. Think I am kidding? Burn a game disc with your drive at 4x and then again at 16x on the same media rated for 16x. Now scan the 2 discs using a error scanning tool. Guess which disc will have a much higher error rate... Yep, the 4x disc will suck compared to the 16x disc.

Let's throw this rumor out the window now, and start burning discs to your hardware's real potential.

PS> NEVER use stick on disc labels for your dvd and cd projects, this alone throws off the disc balance and ruins the reflectivity rate of the read surface, and WILL introduce millions of new pi and po errors while reading your discs.

[Shin555]

Well what i go by is the DVDInfo Pro addon in IMGBurn.

Usually burning at 16x can get me some zig zags, but at 6x its a straight line, with a Sony DW-G120A and Verbatim DVD-R 16x media. But having said that i only burn at slow speeds for the Wii...everything else is at max and i get no errors that i know of, when using them in anything.

[rcjian]

As for me, i've been using Imgburn and always setting up the burning speed at auto (max). And its always successful!!!:).

I've been using Verbatim dvd-r with rated speed up to 16x.

[rnelson1415]

I've had mixed results with my media... Memorex and Fujifilm -R and +R always worked fine for me at any speed, be it 4x or 16x. My Verbatim +R has to be burned at 4x or it'll fail to read at all, but interestingly enough I've had less DREs (none) once these games run than any of my other brands.

[ar1stotle]

Well what i go by is the DVDInfo Pro addon in IMGBurn.

Usually burning at 16x can get me some zig zags, but at 6x its a straight line, with a Sony DW-G120A and Verbatim DVD-R 16x media. But having said that i only burn at slow speeds for the Wii...everything else is at max and i get no errors that i know of, when using them in anything.

What quality scores do you get when testing with dvdinfo? I just tested a game I burned at 4x against an original pressed copy of COD2. The original only got a 90% quality rating, while the 4x burn got a 95%. I haven't tried at the full 16x the discs are rated for, but 95% seems pretty good, huh?

[manias]

you can't generalize like this at all. Different brands of discs have different optimized speeds. If you go above the optimized speed or below it will be worse. Some 12x discs work best at 4x, others at 8x, etc. Don't just say it's a " myth " when sooooooo manyyyyyyy people have tried and proven this ages ago. Now with newer discs, the optimal speed has gone up as well so it isn't 2x anymore. But the max speed is not always the best.

[pcguy]

media has changed dramatically over the past couple of years. Especially the better, proven brands. Also drives themselves have changed. What was truth on a 4x drive released in say 2003 is far different from a 20x drive released in the past 2 years.

DVD burners are far more accurate and reliable. They have also dropped in price and become a commodity item. A $30 liteon drive can hang with the best of them in terms of speed and accuracy. Now it might be true that a bargain basement brand media such as princo burns like shite unless you crank it down to 2 or 4x speeds.

Personally, I am using HP lighscribe discs with great success. No problems at all and the wii seems to like them as well.

[Absorbent Llama]

I have noticed a rather interesting myth floating around the net in regards to wii images and burning. What I mean is the urban legend of burning wii games or any console games at low speeds on your computer dvd burner drive. This is fallacy and there is a reason why this makes no sense at all.

All drives and media have rated speeds they will perform at. When using a 16x disc in a 20x burner the media and drive are tuned and calibrated for burning at the recommended speed. In fact, burning at a lower rate actually INCREASES the error rate you will experience. Think I am kidding? Burn a game disc with your drive at 4x and then again at 16x on the same media rated for 16x. Now scan the 2 discs using a error scanning tool. Guess which disc will have a much higher error rate... Yep, the 4x disc will suck compared to the 16x disc.

Let's throw this rumor out the window now, and start burning discs to your hardware's real potential.

PS> NEVER use stick on disc labels for your dvd and cd projects, this alone throws off the disc balance and ruins the reflectivity rate of the read surface, and WILL introduce millions of new pi and po errors while reading your discs.



Im sorry ive allways found the burns to be better at lower speeds and ive burnt hundreds of games for Wii GC and 360 and ive allternated between all 6 computers in my house too sive ive tried 9 burners all up and they all produce better burns at 6 or 8 speed on any media be it verbatum or the shitty no name ones

[manias]

not everyone burns with a new burner so you can't just say that pcguy :P

[moneydog96]

I usually burn at 4x, but that's a good point. DVD burners have come a long way in terms of accuracy and we may no longer have to burn slower. There really isn't a way to test this in a timely matter, but I still have PS1 backups burnt at 4x on my old CD-R Writer that still work to this day. Where as the ones I burnt on max do not.

[Shin555]

What quality scores do you get when testing with dvdinfo? I just tested a game I burned at 4x against an original pressed copy of COD2. The original only got a 90% quality rating, while the 4x burn got a 95%. I haven't tried at the full 16x the discs are rated for, but 95% seems pretty good, huh?

Which test did you do? I did the CRC Test (not sure if thats what you did) and i got no errors on eiether of my 4x or 16x burns. All i know is from my experience, everything except the Wii can handle 16x burns, the wii for some reason is reliable with 4x.

[pcguy]

I wasn't speaking in terms of folks still using old school burners out there, or lousy media, A modern drive and modern quality media rated for 16x should work just fine in the wii. I have tested the media burned in my fairly recent $30 liteon burner and the error rate is higher when burning @ 4x vs 16x. This also held true on higher end drives from plextor and sony. I wouldn't have started the post without some background and testing. I took the burn slow advice to heart but tested the media @ different speeds out of curiosity.

The main point I was trying to make was don't take the slow burn as gospel, but check and see what really does work best in your situation. There is no reason to suffer long burn times when it is in fact doing you no good. For some folks it might, but on all the forums about burning copied console games it is taken as fact when it isn't at all. At least not anymore.

To really examine what is going on with your burns, I highly recommend a package called Kprobe2, available @ club.cdfreaks.com
That is also a wonderful site to learn more and become educated on the use of optical storage media. It will really open your eyes to getting the most out of cdr, dvdr and newer optical formats as they are introduced.

[ZXM]

I agree with the thread starter.

When I first tried a game, that I burned at 4x... nada. I went out and bought some Verbatim DVD-5s, thinking that it was just because the memorex were +. Still no go. Finally, I just took another Memorex + and burned it at 16x (the fasted speed I could go). Worked beautifully.

[pcguy]

every dvd burner has an internal table of calibration settings that come from the factory for specific brands and types of media. This table tells the drive what cailbration settings to use when burning specific types of media. This is done through the codes stored in every blank dvd there is. The manufacturer of the disc places their id and serial number etc.. onto the disc, and the drive reads this when you start a burn. These settings tell the drive how to handle the media.

All this relates to burn speed as well, since the media tells the drive what speed it's rated for. All this plays together, and testing your burns also plays a part. By testing I don't mean popping it in the wii and seeing if it works, I mean doing a real analysis of your burned discs. Without testing, and finding out for yourself with your drive, your media and conclusive testing your merely guessing, and that's not joke.