Microsoft Screwing Loyal Gamers?

[Zeus]

According to this "loyal gamer", Microsoft is 'screwing' gamers every time they purchase conent from Xbox Live Marketplace and explains how he felt Microsoft mislead consumers with the "Data Migration Kit" during the Xbox 360 Elite launch. This lengthy blog entry walks us through the upgrading his Premium Xbox 360 to an Elite, the problems with Xbox Live Marketplace downloadable content DRM, the frustration of Xbox customer support, and offers Microsoft some possible solutions.

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"Just look at it this way... Let's say you went to the store and bought a movie. Now let's say you wanted to upgrade to a new 1080p upscaling DVD player with an HDMI output a few months later. What would you do if the DVD would only play the first chapter of the movie unless you were connected to the internet and were the only person watching it? You'd be a little upset to say the least. It's still a DVD player... It will play the movie; you just have to access the content in a slightly different way. Do you think you should have to provide the movie studio with a receipt saying you traded in your old DVD player, just to watch the movie you paid good momeny for? What if you wanted to watch that DVD in a different room, should you have to unhook the 1st DVD player and bring it into another room to watch it, or would it make more sense to just pop it into the other DVD player that's already set up in the other room? I know, it sounds rediculous, but that's EXACTLY what Microsoft doing with downloadable content from the Xbox Live Marketplace, and nobody seems to be addressing the issue."


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[amptor]

why not just refund the points to tub boy and have him re-buy the downloadable content. problem solved.

[Aythamie]

buy the Sony PS3

free online play and always the same system ( not like MS that brings a new system out every 3 months)

[notarf]

nice telly though

is that a knobb on the wall behind the telly

our one standing in front of it

[whackawookie]

if tub boy just went online with his gamertag he could actually redownload his purchases on his new console for free. I did with my games on my new system along with my already purchased guitar hero songs. The content should have a checkmark next to what you download, if you click on it you get asked if you would like to redownload then boom.

[whackawookie]

buy the Sony PS3

free online play and always the same system ( not like MS that brings a new system out every 3 months)

so.... kicking the ee to the curb discontinuing the 20gb model and 60gb model to make way for the 80gb model is better then giving you actual choices?

[akuma99]

Why is it that 90% of the photos I see of people that have the huge game collection are always overweight? Come on man get out and get a little exercise and playing that copy of guitar hero that you have there does not count. Heck I probably have just as many if not more games then him but I manage to get out and exercise a little so I don't turn into a tub o' lard.

Anyway like someone else said just go online with your gamertag and redownload the stuff you already bought it's not that hard. It took me like an hour to get all my stuff back to normal after a upgraded to an Elite360.

[FNG]

if tub boy just went online with his gamertag he could actually redownload his purchases on his new console for free. I did with my games on my new system along with my already purchased guitar hero songs. The content should have a checkmark next to what you download, if you click on it you get asked if you would like to redownload then boom.

Hey zoom-tard if you were capable of reading you'd realize that tub-boy (a.k.a. ME) already did that.... It doesn't fix the DRM problem if you have a NEW console.

To anyone who'd like to attack my weight, income, intelligence, etc. feel free... I don't see anyone else with the balls to put a REAL pic of themselves up. If anyone thinks that they'd like to come visit this fat ****, I live in Tampa Florida... We'll discuss an exercise program.

[Galgor]

Judging by the pic he has more money than sense.
Don't know why he's bothered to make this point :rolleyes:

[FNG]

Judging by the pic he has more money than sense.
Don't know why he's bothered to make this point :rolleyes:

I'm not rich... Circut City messed up their ad last week and I got all of those points for less than 1/2 of what they normally cost.

[jiminton]

I understand what FNG is saying. It is a pain in the ass to have to be connected to the internet to access your content. But I also understand that Microsoft does this to prevent piracy. If you could just copy **** from one HDD to another everyone would just post the games on the net and very few would purchase online content. The only way would be to take amptor's suggestion and refund the Microsoft points and let him re-download that same content. But what would make him download that same content? I know if I got all my points back I wouldn't purchase Shivering Isles again, I would try something new.

[bryan4203]

The fat fu@$ does have a point. If you get a new 360, the games and movies you bought on your old 360 will only work on your new 360 when you are connected to live. No live,no arcade games and movies you OWN. Thats crap!

[XxBigP123xX]

props for the setup:o

MS screwed their customers in november 2005 when they released their crappy hardware:rolleyes:

EDIT: including me

[Jinx13378]

Outdated counter-news kicks in, as usual with absolutely nothing relevant.

What is this whole rant about? Not being able to play rented/downloaded movies on different machine in different room?

[xllzerollx]

so.... kicking the ee to the curb discontinuing the 20gb model and 60gb model to make way for the 80gb model is better then giving you actual choices?

i guess your right,
why buy something whithout choice when you can buy a desechable 360,
couple months, it gets fucked, buy new one, really works great eh?

LOL!!

[rezine39]

He's a big guy, He is not huge by any means and why the hell are people attacking his weight, I wanna see you guys post a pic.

lol, Dumbass Wookie trying to be a sherlock

[grapeape]

i guess your right,
why buy something whithout choice when you can buy a desechable 360,
couple months, it gets fucked, buy new one, really works great eh?

LOL!!

Welcome to 3 months ago, its pretty common knowledge that unless you are fool enough to void your warranty if your "decechable 360" whatever the hell that is can be sent in and repaired for free for 3 years for its most common problem...for everything else you still get 1 year just like the ps3.

[cory149]

Uhmm, I don't have a 360, am somewhat amused by the trolls in the posts here (I mean get real, that guy is not fat (http://www.ridingsun.com/files/ridingsun-scooterGuy.JPG)) but explain to me why the reps suggestion would not work; aside from the fact it seems he doesn't have the "keep for warranty" proof of purchase receipt for a $600, home content insurable item, and the possibility some of the moved content might be over a year old?
they’d refund all of the points I used to purchase the Xbox Live Arcade titles and content so that I could create a second account and download all of the content to the Elite console and have it attached to the new console ID.
I mean, so what if you have a fourth gamer tag on there that no one will ever use aside from initially repurchasing the old box's content (mostly?) free of charge (does that content even get deleted off a console when you remove the gamertag?)... the content is effectively migrated after M$ style hassle for all the tags present to use, no?

I agree, it's a pain in the butt - but it's what you get for helping a company continue to thrive by paying them for virtual goods (and their policy comes as no big surprise to anyone who has experienced any of the initial DRM "growing pains") or even somewhat shoddy product policies.

As far as the TV goes, I’m allowed to spend the money I earn on whatever I want. When you start your career and/or move out of your parent’s house, you’ll be able to do the same someday.
ROFLMAO - too true. I wonder how many people who criticize your spending habits don't question what they do with their disposable income when it comes to something they enjoy (wannabe japanese type car tweaking, weekly pc upgraders, anyone with a serious collection of anything, etc)

[ammmmn]

the guy is skinny...

check this out:

http://www.septica.com/FatChick.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/61jip38.jpg

[psychospeedster]

so.... kicking the ee to the curb discontinuing the 20gb model and 60gb model to make way for the 80gb model is better then giving you actual choices?

the kicking of the EE was a planed thing from the beginning, anyone with foresight would realize this, it was there for the transition from hardware based bc to software bc, like they did with the ps2. Also besides the difference of trim and card reader between the 20 and 60 gb models, there is no difference between the models. They all have wifi, hdmi, easily expandable hdd's, rechargable controllers, and hd-movie enabled playback(bd)

Unlike the 360 there are a few differences between the models: wired/wireless controllers, no hdmi/hdmi (soon to be moot), hdd size, and cooling equip(also soon to be moot).

I don't see how you can say you have actual choices with the 360... you want wifi? thats a 100... rechargeable controllers - 40, bigger(or one for your core) hdd - 80-120 for a specialty hdd case and migration tools, not to mention if you want to jump on HD-DVD (not even sure how much that costs 150?). How much extra money are you willing to spend for features that should have been included in the first place? The only thing your not getting ripped off on are face plates, games, and extra controllers (im looking at you wii).

Its like going between sheets and Mcdonalds/Wendy's, Sheets gives you the basics and charges you for everything else including cheese while McDonalds/Wendy's gives you the works right off the bat and you can choose what you dont want. The same burger will cost you more at sheets for your blunt in your face choices, than McDonalds/Wendy's here well give you everything we need choose what you dont want choice.

IMO, I would rather buy a product with almost everything I need, even if it costs a little more, than pay more over time for options i could of had out of the box.

[jerzmob]

so.... kicking the ee to the curb discontinuing the 20gb model and 60gb model to make way for the 80gb model is better then giving you actual choices?

it's funny how you really don't have much of a choice with a 360 b/c with the recent news of the HDD requirement coming soon for 360 MMOs (and soon to be revealed on future titles:D), M$ are just getting the consumers confused with the Halo 3 hype along the way. Nice move by them but again i make my research and i don't take what i see on those Jump In 360 commercials for what it's granted. PS3 console is delivering more with those sd mini, cf and memory stick cards inputs, wifi, blu ray, first party exclusives while the 360 can ONLY deliver multi platform titles and pay for online service. hmm i guess in the end the ps3 owners win. M$ may have Mistwalker but even as of now, there's not much left for this console to stay alive. We'll just have to wait and see, i am dying to see those Halo 3 commercials.

[Scorpion3]

it's funny how you really don't have much of a choice with a 360 b/c with the recent news of the HDD requirement coming soon for 360 MMOs (and soon to be revealed on future titles:D), M$ are just getting the consumers confused with the Halo 3 hype along the way. Nice move by them but again i make my research and i don't take what i see on those Jump In 360 commercials for what it's granted. PS3 console is delivering more with those sd mini, cf and memory stick cards inputs, wifi, blu ray, first party exclusives while the 360 can ONLY deliver multi platform titles and pay for online service. hmm i guess in the end the ps3 owners win. M$ may have Mistwalker but even as of now, there's not much left for this console to stay alive. We'll just have to wait and see, i am dying to see those Halo 3 commercials.

An HDD Requirement on an MMO? Why would they need a HDD for a game that decompresses most of it's data onto a different storage device? :confused:

Seriously, what kind of mindjob do you have to be to not understand that MMOs are played from your HDD, and not the disc? Just look at WoW for God sakes, the DVD is basically used for verification purposes only. But of course the confirmation that HDMI would be standard with premiums soon doesn't spark any idea that Cores will be getting the 20GB HDD and the Premium the 120. That is of course, the Core doesn't get dropped completely now that the Elite's only selling point is being black and having the 120GB HDD. Saying that Microsoft is screwing it's users by making a HDD required for games is like saying Sony is screwing gamers by making their buyers pay 600 bucks in the future. Only difference is, The Premium is near the price of what the Core was and the PS3 will inevitably go back to that 600 Price Tag, killing the price drop idea that Sony kept going on about.

Not sure about you, but myself, along with everyone I know that has owned a Xbox and a 360, couldn't give a rats ass about Halo 3. Oh I'll buy it, but there are certainly more games that are selling the 360 than another Halo. The only people really buzzing over Halo 3 is the media, the ones who look at sales over content. Oh, and love the comparison of the PS3 getting more exclusives than the 360, that made me smile. :D

[indierocker]

Hey zoom-tard if you were capable of reading you'd realize that tub-boy (a.k.a. ME) already did that.... It doesn't fix the DRM problem if you have a NEW console.

To anyone who'd like to attack my weight, income, intelligence, etc. feel free... I don't see anyone else with the balls to put a REAL pic of themselves up. If anyone thinks that they'd like to come visit this fat ****, I live in Tampa Florida... We'll discuss an exercise program.


What are you talking about, I redownload DRM protected items on multiple consoles and use them online and offline all the time... new consoles, Premiums, Elites, old consoles, doesn't matter, I have all my movies, trailers, demos, arcade games downloaded to every single one of them. You just have to make sure you download and access them all under the same gamertag. Downloaded items aren't DRM protected to the console at all, but the gamertag.

[twoboys]

First of all, thanks for a very interesting blog FNG. This is the reason we have blogs and forums - to highlight information and inform others of problems or solutions. I myself own a ps3 (no I am not a fanboy!) so can't comment on your issue's. I would be very interested if anyone else had the same trouble though.

I have to say people, I thought this of all places was a grown ups only place. I can't believe this guy, who is supporting the community with his blog, is being flamed for his weight. Enough said! :mad:


Remember, there is no such thing as a stupid question.
If I am asking it, then others are thinking about asking it!

[DEDDOA]

Personally, I think on the next dash update they should add an account/console matching option. As in you select an account that you may have brought over from another console, log on to live and you get the option to make this console the default owner for this account and it's content. That would solve the whole, having to signed into live to use another consoles content. This is somthing that could have been an automatic funtion of the migration kit as well.

Personally though I think MS are starting to go too far with DRM, when game demo's and video demo's now have it (meaning I have to take my console to my friends house to show new stuff instead of just the HDD like I used to) then it's is getting pathetic. In my view MS's overly defensive stance on console security is getting to be a big negative to me. OTT DRM, MS only wireless controllers, MS only overly expensive wireless adapter (if one is built into the wii and the console only costs £180, how can MS justify £70 for on one it's own), MS only overpriced HDD, MS only overpriced web cam, MS only overpriced wirless headset and so on is getting to be a bit of a joke. Sony may be a joke as far as trying to push the PS3 so far, but in every other way they have a much smarter open approach.

[Fangrim]

Awww come on - leave whackawookie alone - he lives in his own little world where Microsoft doesn't **** their consumers up the ass on a regular basis (and somehow still manages to make them beg for more), while evil Sony does just that.

The removal of the EE was mentioned as a cost-reducing factor even before the PS3 was released, so your argument is void.

About the discontinued 20 and 60 GB models... There simply wasn't enough sales of the 20 GB model, and the 60 GB model is simply being phased out, so they can send out the 80 GB models with the same specs (and price) - only difference is an extra 20 GB to store data.

Microsoft's way of giving you a choice, ends up biting you in the ass, as you'll pay overprice for tech that should've been included in the first place.

No company has eaten more crow than Microsoft this generation. HDMI anyone? Faulty hardware anyone? HD-DVD games anyone (still a rumour, but it's coming...)

You stick to your 360 console whackawookie, while the rest of us enjoys a stable piece of hardware with all included.

Right now, I'd be saying a prayer every time I booted my 360. When Microsoft gets their **** together, I'll buy one for the exclusives.

[jiminton]

You stick to your 360 console whackawookie, while the rest of us enjoys a stable piece of hardware with all included.
To bad games is not something in the PS3's arsenal.

Right now, I'd be saying a prayer every time I booted my 360. When Microsoft gets their **** together, I'll buy one for the exclusives.
Exclusives? All the multiplatformers are better on the 360 as well. I use my ps3 for BD and exclusives everything else is on the 360. You evidently do not have a 360 and are a little upset that people with a 360 are playing good games. Eventually you may mow enough lawns to afford a 360. Then you won't have to pray for a 360.

[Fangrim]

To bad games is not something in the PS3's arsenal.

Exclusives? All the multiplatformers are better on the 360 as well. I use my ps3 for BD and exclusives everything else is on the 360. You evidently do not have a 360 and are a little upset that people with a 360 are playing good games. Eventually you may mow enough lawns to afford a 360. Then you won't have to pray for a 360.

There's plenty of good games on the PS3 to keep me occupied for now. Granted, there's a larger selection on the 360, but I have no problem waiting for the titles I love to play, of which a lot are exclusive to Sony. When it comes to games selection, the 360 simply doesn't appeal as much to me as the Playstation.

If you read my first post, you'll notice that I don't pray to have a 360. I could go buy one right now if I wanted (and I don't even have to go ask my mommy of neither money nor permission, nor do I have to mow any lawns, snotface). I wrote that if I HAD a 360, I'd pray every time I booted the thing, in fear of it dying on me.

Please learn to read before making stupid comments - you simply make yourself look like the fool that you try to make other look like. Idiot.

[jiminton]

I knew what you meant. I was being a smartass. And I know my PS3 will get more games but right now my 360 get about 70% of my game time with the Wii and PS3 getting 20% and 10% respectively.

[jerzmob]

quiet jimmy neutron and it's obvious you don't own a ps3 nor a wii

[Scorpion3]

quiet jimmy neutron and it's obvious you don't own a ps3 nor a wii

Why? Because if you own a PS3 or Wii you automatically become an uber fanboy like yourself? :confused: I suppose in order to pay 600 bucks for a next gen console, you'd need to be at least a normal fanboy to buy one anyway. Golly, I didn't know consoles came with bias requirements for their consumers.