Rumor: MS mass deletes Xbox 360 crashing claims from Forza 2 forums

[Zeus]

Internet reports suggest that MS ordered the deletion of over 900 replies by gamers who claimed that Forza 2 was crashing their Xbox 360 machines. Despite many making new threads expressing their anger at the move, many have simply started up a new thread on the matter. MS, you can run but you can't hide...


In what appears to be an effort to conceal the over 900 replies gamers provided on the official Forzamotorsport.net forums about Forza Motorsport 2 crashing on the Xbox 360, Microsoft has deleted the long thread, now stating that it’s “exclusive content for registered forum users” only. However, the thread was removed entirely, even to registered members.
This comes after the thread was revealed and reported on yesterday, gaining plenty of attention. In the thread, hundreds of gamers posted their stories on what happened to the 360 when playing Forza 2, and expressed frustration, anger, and disappointment.

Gamers on the forum are not going down quietly. In another thread entitled “Was the massive thread about xbox freezing deleted?,” one user writes, “omg? You see, they don't *** care about us. All they want is money. I demand an explanation! What a bunch of pricks. Screw this, i'm phoning MS.”


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[bonsc]

Am starting to think fuk this and just getting a PS3 well in about a year that is:rolleyes:

[snipersnake]

i have friends that play FM2, but no probs like this...weird o_0

[Punyetta]

I smell BS.. I never had any problems with Forza2 or any other game.

[kcvfr400]

To me this is the sort of arrogant move that really makes me glad I don't actually buy 360 games to play on my 360 and have payed no money to microsoft except the 360 itself. Companies don't like bad press we all know, but to take the freedom of speech away when whats been discussed is not lies but actually peoples problems and worries is pathetic.

I bet they threatened some libel action and we all know the more money you have the less chance of losing.

[Oner]

Over 900 replies about a REAL problem plus other well documented issues and people STILL want to say it is "BS"... simply amazing.

[Punyetta]

Over 900 replies about a REAL problem plus other well documented issues and people STILL want to say it is "BS"... simply amazing.
I am not saying there is no problem at all, I've read through some of the posters and you can smell it; one was saying 4red lights came on - that's when video lead is not plugged in. Forums like these, anyone can post and without any proof, it is all gas.I don't like MS, Sony or Nintendo any more than you do, they are there to make money.

[arnold101]

incredible, m$ ricolous and lamer

[nuke868]

I am not saying there is no problem at all, I've read through some of the posters and you can smell it; one was saying 4red lights came on - that's when video lead is not plugged in. Forums like these, anyone can post and without any proof, it is all gas.I don't like MS, Sony or Nintendo any more than you do, they are there to make money.

You a re simply pathetic.

[iratasan]

I smell BS.. I never had any problems with Forza2 or any other game.

I am not saying there is no problem at all, I've read through some of the posters and you can smell it; one was saying 4red lights came on - that's when video lead is not plugged in. Forums like these, anyone can post and without any proof, it is all gas.I don't like MS, Sony or Nintendo any more than you do, they are there to make money.

welcome to denial.

my 360 is working fine AT THE MOMENT, but i guess i should gather some money together for a wii or ps3, just in case. ;)

[Atkins_1989]

So MS to do something like this, sweep the problem under the rug and hope no one will notice:rolleyes:

[SSChevy2001]

I smell BS.. I never had any problems with Forza2 or any other game.I love it another it never happen to me. BS post.

When will you people learn to SHUT UP!!!!!!. 900 again let me say it 900 replies and you call BS. What about the people who don't use the xbox.com? We haven't even counted them.

While I don't agree with MS actions. I do have to agree it's not a game problem. It goes back to x-clamp and heat issue.

Heat causing memory problems 2ROD
X-Clamp causing MB bend 3ROD

[KainXS]

this isn't a bs post

forza gave me a 371 and now i want my god damn money back or i want my system repaired and theres no way in hell im gonna pay for that

they deleted my post at their forums
and i keep posting it and it keeps getting deleted and i keep emailing them and i get no answer

im going to keep ding it until i get a reponse

[Razgrith]

Great. More corporate bullshit. Sony says homebrew is bad for the PSP. Microsoft says Forza 2 is not crashing 360s (and deletes over 900 replies from a forum to prove their point. What's next? Nintendo says Red Steel pwns Halo 3 anyday?

[n0rthstar]

I too have never had a problem with Forza2. I only play for a couple of hours each time the console is on and not everyday... put it this way, i havent charged the battery pack of the controler in ummmm 7-10 days and it still doesnt need recharging yet, so that tells you how often i play.

As for any problems i have had with my 360, they have come from Need For Speed Carbon (which randomly crashes wherever it wants), and FEAR (which locks up the 360 pretty much all the time in the same place where the girl is chasing you down a corridor of fire), havent tried it for quite a while now as i have the PC version.

Just taking those couple of problems into account im pretty sure the 360 does break/brick for a lot of gamers, maybe more hardcore gamers than i am that play on the console a lot more than i do.

I also think those threads probably contain a lot of Sony Fanboys, jumping on the bandwaggon making it seem even worse (if it can get any worse)... Just as Sony threads contain a lot of 360 Fanboys rubbishing that console... Of course if 25% of 900 people were Sony boys thats still a hell of a lot of people with problems.

[{{909}}]

there probably was alot of anti M$ idiots in that thread, but its very unlikey that such a thread started out of thin air, there IS a problem and its very bad for MS to remove people's complaints, regardless of how big a problem it is.

It seems that every release that pushes the 360 does the exact same thing aswell, i recall the same thing with GoW, Dead (console) rising, GRAW2 and a few others, the future seems bleak if every game that actually uses the hardware results in a 900 post complaints thread. Fear teh GTA4 ;)

[KainXS]

if you want proof, you can go to the forza forums and i guarentee you theat someone has posted it and if you go back tomorrow it will be deleted

they did it to me like 3 times already and i have posted it on complaints.com and will report it to the Better Business Bureau

[LeGioN1202]

So because 900 isn't enough for MS, they simply delete them and brush them off as if it means nothing.

Once again MS is trying to deny they fucked up. Once again putting blame on the consumers.

There goes my holiday sale. **** them and I hope their console goes to ****.

They have billions of dollars... now maybe they can try fixing the **** they fucked up.

Now they wonder why in the last 7+ months they barely sold over 1 million consoles.

Don't know how to take care of customers in the gaming department? Then fucking flop and die out already, unless they plan to lose another 4+ billion this year again.

Stupid fucks.

[Xenogears V]

A disaster after the other....:(

[iratasan]

I too have never had a problem with Forza2. I only play for a couple of hours each time the console is on and not everyday... put it this way, i havent charged the battery pack of the controler in ummmm 7-10 days and it still doesnt need recharging yet, so that tells you how often i play.

As for any problems i have had with my 360, they have come from Need For Speed Carbon (which randomly crashes wherever it wants), and FEAR (which locks up the 360 pretty much all the time in the same place where the girl is chasing you down a corridor of fire), havent tried it for quite a while now as i have the PC version.

Just taking those couple of problems into account im pretty sure the 360 does break/brick for a lot of gamers, maybe more hardcore gamers than i am that play on the console a lot more than i do.

I also think those threads probably contain a lot of Sony Fanboys, jumping on the bandwaggon making it seem even worse (if it can get any worse)... Just as Sony threads contain a lot of 360 Fanboys rubbishing that console... Of course if 25% of 900 people were Sony boys thats still a hell of a lot of people with problems.

funny thing about this is as soon as someone mentions ANY ms related problems some moron starts screaming "sony sony sony sony".

c'mon throw some apple fans and some nintendo fans and some linux fans in there and make yourself look like a complete idiot.

welcome to denial.

Great. More corporate bullshit. Sony says homebrew is bad for the PSP. Microsoft says Forza 2 is not crashing 360s (and deletes over 900 replies from a forum to prove their point. What's next? Nintendo says Red Steel pwns Halo 3 anyday?

ahum, yeah sure.
there might be a small difference between dissing homebrew and major hardware problems, don't you think?
apart from that games are a matter of different tastes. for me nearly ANY game pwns halo 3. for me even contra on the nes pwns halo 3. but that's just me. for keeping it into the ms exclusive area "dead rising" pwns halo 3 in any way. but that's just my taste.

So because 900 isn't enough for MS, they simply delete them and brush them off as if it means nothing.

Once again MS is trying to deny they fucked up. Once again putting blame on the consumers.

There goes my holiday sale. **** them and I hope their console goes to ****.

They have billions of dollars... now maybe they can try fixing the **** they fucked up.

Now they wonder why in the last 7+ months they barely sold over 1 million consoles.

Don't know how to take care of customers in the gaming department? Then fucking flop and die out already, unless they plan to lose another 4+ billion this year again.

Stupid fucks.

you are right. the sad thing is that as long as they get through with it they won't do anything. the wii runs in it's own league and the ps3 is no serious competitor at this moment. so unless the x360 sales have a serious break in, which i don't see happening in the near future, they will leave it like that, sayin "fook you, if you don't like it, don't buy it".

[alkaline]

since day one I read about crashing xboxes ... holy hell
It has now reached a level, where its takes some serious activities against the way m$ handles the 360 customers.


I remember PS2 had similar problems with RSOD (red screen of death - laser problems) but those got solved after some time and was replaced by ony without a problem and without denying the problem.

[XxBigP123xX]

lamo whats next? deleting posts about red rings??? lol

[JusR23]

That is really taking the piss M$ doing that what happened to customer feedback? Obiviously they don't give a flying f**k as long as they have you're cash. Yes i do have a 360 (my second one #1 had 3rlod) and i'm more than happy with it (if this one dies after the warranty i'm gonna x-clamp mod it). I have a feeling after reading that there are 2500 being sent back a day in the UK that most of these were probably on their way out and Forza 2 was just the unfortunate game that was in that finished it off (Tony Hawks Project 8 did mine in and yes i have forza look at me sig) so 900 worldwide would kinda work out yes its crap but what are we really gonna do???

[Aeond]

I've never had any problems with Forza 2 so far, but that could be due to the fact that I've actually played it only for about one hour :rolleyes:

[rccool111]

Over 900 replies about a REAL problem plus other well documented issues and people STILL want to say it is "BS"... simply amazing.
I understand what you're trying to say, but 900 ppl out of over 11 mill 360 owners is so very minute....
But the fact MS deleted the thread is BS. Fight the machine!

[iratasan]

I understand what you're trying to say, but 900 ppl out of over 11 mill 360 owners is so very minute....
But the fact MS deleted the thread is BS. Fight the machine!

just partly true. if everyone that owns a 360 would have been in that forum and would have been complaining in it that would be true, but that forum just represents a low percentage of 360 owners.

question to everybody that fully modded their 360 with cooler and everything: did your overheating problems disappear after using a 3rd party cooler and/or 3rd party case?

[dwrecording]

I did spring update then booted Forza2 demo, it froze in the start menu. rebooted 360 and 3 red lights. My system was 6 months old. So i posted 3x on xbox.**** that it happened and they all got deleted. Then it took 30 days to get my 360 back.:mad: :mad: :mad: and with the system they sent me i get clean disk and restart system about every 45min of play.

[AT6767]

What people need to start doing is leave paper trails. If an xbox is broken send it back if it breaks again file BBB complaint. You get another one you file a complaint with your state's attorney general. Finally you file a complaint with the federal attorney general's office. This paves a way for a class action lawsuit. (filing a complaint is free and just wastes time but paves the way for lawsuit) They already have several BBB complaints. Sony has already lost a class action lawsuit in the beginning of ps2 life.

[Sepioth]

Kinda glad I don't have a 360. My friend has one and he will not even try this game because of the reported problems.


There has to be some problem because people don't fill a thread to 900 replies for the fun of it.

Just remember though out of those 900+ replies not EVERY one is an actual person having this problem. How many people post thinks like "HAHA .. Mine works fine" ?? How many people reply back to those HAHA people ??? ot every post is a unique person.

But I do hope MS figures out something soon for all you 360 owners. Kinda sucks really and I too would be upset about this.

[*StoneCold*]

you are right. the sad thing is that as long as they get through with it they won't do anything. the wii runs in it's own league and the ps3 is no serious competitor at this moment. so unless the x360 sales have a serious break in, which i don't see happening in the near future, they will leave it like that, sayin "fook you, if you don't like it, don't buy it".

Now whos living in denial???

The wii runs in the same damn league as the rest, just because it aint as powerful doesent mean sh*t.

The PS1 and PS2 were the lowest powered of their time and were all snapped up by casual gamers and hardcore gamers alike and it wasnt said that they were not in the same league as their competition.

Face facts, Nintendo, Sony and MS are all in the same league and Nintendo is winning, tough thing to swallow for you probably but deal with it.

[stop_loading]

there probably was alot of anti M$ idiots

you're pathetic, anti m$ idiots in FORZA FORUM?? lol

even then, why they have to delete it? they should've just lock it

there are a lot of useful information in that thread, there's no excuse for deleting it

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/402647.aspx

[iratasan]

Now whos living in denial???

The wii runs in the same damn league as the rest, just because it aint as powerful doesent mean sh*t.

The PS1 and PS2 were the lowest powered of their time and were all snapped up by casual gamers and hardcore gamers alike and it wasnt said that they were not in the same league as their competition.

Face facts, Nintendo, Sony and MS are all in the same league and Nintendo is winning, tough thing to swallow for you probably but deal with it.

beep! wrong!

ms and sony are trying to aim at power hungry hd gfx fixated gamers, nintendo is aiming at people that favor innovation. that's why most people choose a 360/ps3 AND a wii. one of them will be me (Mi?) as soon as i got the money. swallow what? my wiimote? you are p*ssing at the wrong tree here dog. woff!

no fps fixated preteen will choose a wii over a 360/ps3. no DDR/ singstar fan will choose a 360/ps3 over a wii. if you want the full package you have to play double team.

[Covert Knight]

Alright I know this is my first post, but I have been viewing these forum topics from the headline news for quite some time. Now I consider myself quite reasonable so just try to hear me out fully.

While I cannot deny that there is a strong chance that Forza 2 did cause someone's xbox 360 to overstress and die, I do not think that every post in there was real either. The console wars have gotten so ridiculous that I wouldn't disbelieve the idea of "M$" haters would jump on the bandwagon and put a few posts in their themselves, which I think iratasan was trying to say. What likely happened was the admins of those forums decided to send the information to microsoft, tell the people to post their problems on the xbox forums, and delete the topic. It was most likely just a piss poor executive decision, thinking that "well nothing forza 2 developers can do to fix their systems but otherwise try to patch the game and hope it helps people in the future" therefore just deleting the topic not realizing it would cause their own negative PR.

As for the xbox 360 heating issue. I know someone is going to scream "DENIAL DENIAL" at me, but let me just say. I know several friends who own an xbox 360 and I own one myself (almost approaching a year), and none of us have had a problem that I am aware of. One of my friends had one since launch and only replaced it recently because he got an elite. He put his 360 through so much I don't know how any system of any kind could have handled it. He did the 7 day survivor achievement for Dead Rising, and got bored in the middle so he paused the game and left it on for a day. Nothing happened. I, myself have play my xbox 360 for a few hours a day with no heating issues as of yet. To give you an idea how much I play, I am only 40 points away from getting to 10,000 gamerscore points, and I play lots of games that require many hours to get this. (I have 940 points in Test Drive Unlimited, and Ive put in at least 95 hours into that one game) I know a lot poor people are just not at fault, and they've came across bad luck. I'm sure that more systems in the beginning had more heating issues than the newer ones. Now don't flame me for this but, you know its almost hard for me in my position to not think that this is like some giant conspiracy to stop me from playing my 360. :p I think the internet has made the problem seem worse than it is? Didn't Sony use the same argument about the PS3 hype being shot down because of the internet? I believe the internet is a powerful tool of communication of information but a potentially manipulating one. Wasn't the failure rate of 360's 4%? Now remember they have sold TEN MILLION, so that means we should have 400,000 people complaining on the internet. Granted those figures can be off given that some people got 2 consoles or some people do not have the internet, but I doubt that there are more than 20,000 people complaining and screaming on the internet about their problem (which is less than the given percent) and I doubt that "evil Bill Gates" is sitting behind a desk looking on his computer and deleting those topics while laughing at us. Remember corporations (including sony, microsoft, and nintendo) aren't trying to have an evil plot to screw over their customers, they want a good product, so that they have good PR, and so that people buy more of their product so that they make profit.

Last, while I was considering of getting Forza 2, the possibility of it over-stressing my xbox 360 has frightened me a bit, and I am also thinking about getting Overlord anyway so I gotta watch my money. But I'm going to wait for the official word on this game before I do anything about it. Jeesh that was enough for me to type, I'm out for now.

[hacktek]

I too have never had a problem with Forza2. I only play for a couple of hours each time the console is on and not everyday... put it this way, i havent charged the battery pack of the controler in ummmm 7-10 days and it still doesnt need recharging yet, so that tells you how often i play.

As for any problems i have had with my 360, they have come from Need For Speed Carbon (which randomly crashes wherever it wants), and FEAR (which locks up the 360 pretty much all the time in the same place where the girl is chasing you down a corridor of fire), havent tried it for quite a while now as i have the PC version.

Just taking those couple of problems into account im pretty sure the 360 does break/brick for a lot of gamers, maybe more hardcore gamers than i am that play on the console a lot more than i do.

I also think those threads probably contain a lot of Sony Fanboys, jumping on the bandwaggon making it seem even worse (if it can get any worse)... Just as Sony threads contain a lot of 360 Fanboys rubbishing that console... Of course if 25% of 900 people were Sony boys thats still a hell of a lot of people with problems.

I haven't charged my controller in more than a week and i play every day, mostly for 3-4 hours or even more.

The problems you described could just be a bad burn or a dirty/damaged disk if they are originals. Wouldn't know, u didn't specify. It could also be heat. I've had my 360 (2nd hand one) for over 2 months (have no idea how long the other guy had it for) and 0 problems. It only locked up once playing UNO and that was because i was downloading a bunch of sh1t and the connection dropped. I haven't played forza 2 though, just the demo for like 10 minutes.

[martin.ca]

So is Forza 2 really the problem? I've got the game but I'm afraid to try it now. :eek:

[Evil-Rebirth]

Well I surely won't be buying a 360 anytime soon. I recently recommended one to a friend over PS3 because of the difference in price and the quantity of games available.

His 1st system had the ROD straight out of the box.
After exchanging it, his second system didn't even power up the ring. Not red, not green, nothing. Only the cooling fan could be heard when the system was turned on. You can bet he got an extended warranty after that.

If MS intends to expand, they better figure out a solution to these problems, and fast. Word of mouth goes a long way, especially when you hear the same things over and over.

The only thing that I can think of is that MS doesn't want to issue a massive recall of the majority of their systems. A lot of people may think it's easy to open up their system and fix what MS wasn't able to manufacture correctly. Let's not forget what the 360 is - a videogame console. These things are built for people's entertainment. Insinuating that these problems occur in 'highly technical' devices is a lame excuse. If I'm going to spend $400 on something, it better damn well work with no serious issues.

[iratasan]

Alright I know this is my first post, but I have been viewing these forum topics from the headline news for quite some time. Now I consider myself quite reasonable so just try to hear me out fully.

While I cannot deny that there is a strong chance that Forza 2 did cause someone's xbox 360 to overstress and die, I do not think that every post in there was real either. The console wars have gotten so ridiculous that I wouldn't disbelieve the idea of "M$" haters would jump on the bandwagon and put a few posts in their themselves, which I think iratasan was trying to say. What likely happened was the admins of those forums decided to send the information to microsoft, tell the people to post their problems on the xbox forums, and delete the topic. It was most likely just a piss poor executive decision, thinking that "well nothing forza 2 developers can do to fix their systems but otherwise try to patch the game and hope it helps people in the future" therefore just deleting the topic not realizing it would cause their own negative PR.

As for the xbox 360 heating issue. I know someone is going to scream "DENIAL DENIAL" at me, but let me just say. I know several friends who own an xbox 360 and I own one myself (almost approaching a year), and none of us have had a problem that I am aware of. One of my friends had one since launch and only replaced it recently because he got an elite. He put his 360 through so much I don't know how any system of any kind could have handled it. He did the 7 day survivor achievement for Dead Rising, and got bored in the middle so he paused the game and left it on for a day. Nothing happened. I, myself have play my xbox 360 for a few hours a day with no heating issues as of yet. To give you an idea how much I play, I am only 40 points away from getting to 10,000 gamerscore points, and I play lots of games that require many hours to get this. (I have 940 points in Test Drive Unlimited, and Ive put in at least 95 hours into that one game) I know a lot poor people are just not at fault, and they've came across bad luck. I'm sure that more systems in the beginning had more heating issues than the newer ones. Now don't flame me for this but, you know its almost hard for me in my position to not think that this is like some giant conspiracy to stop me from playing my 360. :p I think the internet has made the problem seem worse than it is? Didn't Sony use the same argument about the PS3 hype being shot down because of the internet? I believe the internet is a powerful tool of communication of information but a potentially manipulating one. Wasn't the failure rate of 360's 4%? Now remember they have sold TEN MILLION, so that means we should have 400,000 people complaining on the internet. Granted those figures can be off given that some people got 2 consoles or some people do not have the internet, but I doubt that there are more than 20,000 people complaining and screaming on the internet about their problem (which is less than the given percent) and I doubt that "evil Bill Gates" is sitting behind a desk looking on his computer and deleting those topics while laughing at us. Remember corporations (including sony, microsoft, and nintendo) aren't trying to have an evil plot to screw over their customers, they want a good product, so that they have good PR, and so that people buy more of their product so that they make profit.

Last, while I was considering of getting Forza 2, the possibility of it over-stressing my xbox 360 has frightened me a bit, and I am also thinking about getting Overlord anyway so I gotta watch my money. But I'm going to wait for the official word on this game before I do anything about it. Jeesh that was enough for me to type, I'm out for now.

DENIAL! DENIAL!



:D



nah, just kiddin'.

you have put a lot of thought into this, but your point of view is just a bit too naive for my taste. let's face it, the hardware problems with the 360 is not something that some school kids spread around as a rumour to keep people from playin 360. it is a well known fact that there are a lot of cases of major defects, overheatings and a lot of disc scratching. it is also a fact that the ps3 has nearly no games at the moment and that it is unreasonable expensive. these are facts and nothing can change that at the moment.

you have to keep in mind that you are dealing with corporations here, not with individuals. if someone has broken your tv he might admit it and pay you for the damage. corporations don't do that. ms would have to reconcept the whole console and even worse, admit that they did something wrong. no corporation admits something like that until they get forced into it by a government institution. it is about preventing bad PR. as long as some magazins and websites write about things, microsoft can pretend that nothing is wrong. if a large percentage of customers write in the official forum that their console broke down that might do a large damage to their sales. as long as people buy the 360 they won't change a thing. corporations toss and turn and find even the smallest hole to wind through before admitting and/or changung anything.

apart from that a lot of people here wrote in this threat that they tried to get heard in other parts of the official forum and their posts were deleted as well. one guy wrote that his post was deleted 3 times in a row. do you still think this was by mistake?


flavor of the week: denial!
(i don't mean you, this is meant just in general)

[Covert Knight]

Point taken about corporations, not everything is so sunflower hippy shine happy, but I don't think they purposely intend for our systems to self destruct. Almost all Sony products I've owned just died on me, especially the CD players back in the day, now I don't go swearing to Sony "YOU SCREWED ME OVER!!" and curse them down to the depths of you know where, but you just simply vote with your dollar. Where one fails you pick up with someone else. But do you honestly think that there are more than 400,000 people who have had this problem? (which is there expected rate of 4% correct?) I don't think I've known that many people. And also it is the people who have bad things happen to their products that they buy who speak the loudest on the internet about it (as they should) Very few people think "oh well my console is working great, let me go on the internet on 5 different sites and post about how well its doing." I'm only here because I read these news articles, read the people's responses to them, and only see insanely different extremes. On one side, you got the close minded Sony Fanboys who claim that everything is a giant "M$" conspiracy out to get your money and screw you over (as if no other company including Sony hasn't) while you have the other extreme of people who defend MS so much that they should down any possibility of having a problem and therefore keep the problem going by keeping it in denial. Both sides are guilty of their problems and why oh why must we go laugh immaturely at the other side going "HA your company sucks thats why I'm with _______" like children, it's ridiculous. Just go with whoever you like and care about the side that you are with instead of your competition. I swear I bet Sony fans have heard more about negative Microsoft news as much as Microsoft fans have heard about negative Sony news.

I still find it funny how Nintendo cleverly stayed away from all this competition and is ultimately the real winner in this "console war." :D Gotta give them credit where credit is due though, Not a single one of my nintendo products has ever, EVER given me a problem. (Didn't some climbers bring Nintendo Ds's up to Mt. Everst and all of them survived while their laptops broke? lol, or what about that gameboy that survived an artillery shell attack?)

[SaiLoRCoTTo]

I made a post about this a week or so ago. It seems that anything too do with xbox360 crashing, dying or freezing info on xbox.forums is deleted by the mods as "spam".

[iratasan]

Point taken about corporations, not everything is so sunflower hippy shine happy, but I don't think they purposely intend for our systems to self destruct. Almost all Sony products I've owned just died on me, especially the CD players back in the day, now I don't go swearing to Sony "YOU SCREWED ME OVER!!" and curse them down to the depths of you know where, but you just simply vote with your dollar. Where one fails you pick up with someone else. But do you honestly think that there are more than 400,000 people who have had this problem? (which is there expected rate of 4% correct?) I don't think I've known that many people. And also it is the people who have bad things happen to their products that they buy who speak the loudest on the internet about it (as they should) Very few people think "oh well my console is working great, let me go on the internet on 5 different sites and post about how well its doing." I'm only here because I read these news articles, read the people's responses to them, and only see insanely different extremes. On one side, you got the close minded Sony Fanboys who claim that everything is a giant "M$" conspiracy out to get your money and screw you over (as if no other company including Sony hasn't) while you have the other extreme of people who defend MS so much that they should down any possibility of having a problem and therefore keep the problem going by keeping it in denial. Both sides are guilty of their problems and why oh why must we go laugh immaturely at the other side going "HA your company sucks thats why I'm with _______" like children, it's ridiculous. Just go with whoever you like and care about the side that you are with instead of your competition. I swear I bet Sony fans have heard more about negative Microsoft news as much as Microsoft fans have heard about negative Sony news.

I still find it funny how Nintendo cleverly stayed away from all this competition and is ultimately the real winner in this "console war." :D Gotta give them credit where credit is due though, Not a single one of my nintendo products has ever, EVER given me a problem. (Didn't some climbers bring Nintendo Ds's up to Mt. Everst and all of them survived while their laptops broke? lol, or what about that gameboy that survived an artillery shell attack?)

good point, but that is exactly the problem. if my tft from acer dies after one week then i will buy a samsung next time, but there is no alternative to the 360 and ms know that. i bought my 360 for dead rising, lost planet, rumble roses xx (yeah i know, i know ;) ) and i will buy me a wii for boogie, fishing games, DDR hottest party, EA playground and so on. so i would not call the wii an alternative as it has completely different audience. i am lucky enough that i will get a ps3 for an incredible price, but from a regular customers view it ain't an alternative either. something with double the price is not an alternative. so, as long as the sales won't break in ms is not forced to do anything. they could even stop producing games if they wanted to.

another thing is that you wrote that your cd player from "back in the days" broke down recently. those peoples 360s are not from back in the days, they were purchased recently. turn this scenario around. if ANYTHING i bought for over 200 bucks would play a terror card like this on me then i would be p*ssed at the manufacturer, no matter which corporation that is.

yes, i believe that 400,000 had that problem. if a car model gets pulled back because of manufacturing mistakes the number usually is even higher, i can not see something out of the ordinary in that numbers.

read my old posts. sony wants your money, ms wants your money and they both don't give a flying crapper about customers, their families, their feelings or anything else.

well, nintendo is not part of the "console war". they don't need to. they have created something unique that everybody wants. they don't have to beat anything. they are in a higher league and there they don't have ANY competitor. if you don't have any competition you won't have any PR work to do to discredit your oponent. that counts for the regular consoles as for mobile gaming.

[SwooshICE]

heh I work at bestbuy. and you won't believe how many 360s that gets returned because they are faulty. :cool:

[slow but deadly]

why don't we just go on strike and not buying ms crap it seems you guys like being burned by ms so much that you buy more from them do something and stop crying on the forms about ms burning your system out and buy a different console like a wii or ps3 that won't burn your house down my 360 got f××× so i bought a ps3:p

[soulbwoy]

just partly true. if everyone that owns a 360 would have been in that forum and would have been complaining in it that would be true, but that forum just represents a low percentage of 360 owners.

question to everybody that fully modded their 360 with cooler and everything: did your overheating problems disappear after using a 3rd party cooler and/or 3rd party case?
no, i have a xcm cooler and my xbox 360 died last week

[gonepostl]

Major Nelson probably hit the delete key

*Microsoft loves you!*

[n0rthstar]

funny thing about this is as soon as someone mentions ANY ms related problems some moron starts screaming "sony sony sony sony".

c'mon throw some apple fans and some nintendo fans and some linux fans in there and make yourself look like a complete idiot.

welcome to denial.



Where did i deny there was a problem. Instead of scanning what i said to quickly reply with a "you are an idiot" insult, try reading the whole thing.

Why i didnt throw in Wii fans is because that console is riding high on the crest of a wave with little doubt about its success. PS3 on the other hand... well i dont need to explain it, even to a 'moron' like you, do i?

The others you mentioned arent even applicable, for instance - Linux is an Operating System (you fool).

In fact i would go so far as to say 'You are the typical kind of Sony Fanboy im speaking about'.

[iratasan]

see lower post.

[ku16610]

I am not saying there is no problem at all, I've read through some of the posters and you can smell it; one was saying 4red lights came on - that's when video lead is not plugged in. Forums like these, anyone can post and without any proof, it is all gas.I don't like MS, Sony or Nintendo any more than you do, they are there to make money.

shock horror , make money why would a company try to do this ??

[iratasan]

no, i have a xcm cooler and my xbox 360 died last week

thanks for the info man.

damn, is there ANY way to ensure that my 360 doesn't die in the near future? did anybody try to put their 360 into a PC-case with better cooling?

so far i read about the 3 rings, the heat issues and the disc scratching. question to anybody with further technical knowledge of the 360s interior: are all those problems, apart from the disc scratching, heat related or do we have to expect other, maybe deeper conceptional mistakes in this console's layout?

Where did i deny there was a problem. Instead of scanning what i said to quickly reply with a "you are an idiot" insult, try reading the whole thing.

Why i didnt throw in Wii fans is because that console is riding high on the crest of a wave with little doubt about its success. PS3 on the other hand... well i dont need to explain it, even to a 'moron' like you, do i?

The others you mentioned arent even applicable, for instance - Linux is an Operating System (you fool).

In fact i would go so far as to say 'You are the typical kind of Sony Fanboy im speaking about'.

hahahaha. that's amusing. thank you.

so you did NOT scream "sony sony sony" into a threat about ms related problems?

welcome to BACK to denial.

oh yes, they are applicable. apple, linux, sony are in one way or the others competitors to ms. you don't think a lot about things before talking, don`t you? :D

yep, me and my 360 we are both the typical sony fanboys you are talking about. wait i think i ask my xbox 1 before saying that for sure...... yes, my xbox agrees, we 3 are. oh wait, i will ask my windows xp for further clearance. yep, my windows pc agrees, we 4 are. i would ask my zune, but that thang was too sh*tty to buy it. even for a moron like me.

hahahahahahahahahaha.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

oh and sadly i read the whole post. ;)

[ku16610]

good point, but that is exactly the problem. if my tft from acer dies after one week then i will buy a samsung next time, but there is no alternative to the 360 and ms know that. i bought my 360 for dead rising, lost planet, rumble roses xx (yeah i know, i know ;) ) and i will buy me a wii for boogie, fishing games, DDR hottest party, EA playground and so on. so i would not call the wii an alternative as it has completely different audience. i am lucky enough that i will get a ps3 for an incredible price, but from a regular customers view it ain't an alternative either. something with double the price is not an alternative. so, as long as the sales won't break in ms is not forced to do anything. they could even stop producing games if they wanted to.

another thing is that you wrote that your cd player from "back in the days" broke down recently. those peoples 360s are not from back in the days, they were purchased recently. turn this scenario around. if ANYTHING i bought for over 200 bucks would play a terror card like this on me then i would be p*ssed at the manufacturer, no matter which corporation that is.

yes, i believe that 400,000 had that problem. if a car model gets pulled back because of manufacturing mistakes the number usually is even higher, i can not see something out of the ordinary in that numbers.

read my old posts. sony wants your money, ms wants your money and they both don't give a flying crapper about customers, their families, their feelings or anything else.

well, nintendo is not part of the "console war". they don't need to. they have created something unique that everybody wants. they don't have to beat anything. they are in a higher league and there they don't have ANY competitor. if you don't have any competition you won't have any PR work to do to discredit your oponent. that counts for the regular consoles as for mobile gaming.

well said , Ms have monopolized the gaming industry now , just like they have the pc industry.
When my 360 dies i will be buying a super nintendo from ebay.

[n0rthstar]

hahahaha. that's amusing. thank you.

so you did NOT scream "sony sony sony" into a threat about ms related problems?

welcome to BACK to denial.

oh yes, they are applicable. apple, linux, sony are in one way or the others competitors to ms. you don't think a lot about things before talking, don`t you? :D

yep, me and my 360 we are both the typical sony fanboys you are talking about. wait i think i ask my xbox 1 before saying that for sure...... yes, my xbox agrees, we 3 are. oh wait, i will ask my windows xp for further clearance. yep, my windows pc agrees, we 4 are. i would ask my zune, but that thang was too sh*tty to buy it. even for a moron like me.

hahahahahahahahahaha.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

oh and sadly i read the whole post. ;)

Yeah right like YOU think before you start your little secretary fingers pounding your little keys.

It seems you are the one in denial thinking that the Sony thing doesnt happen in M$ related threads... you just have to look at the threads in this forum... think man, open your eyes, look around you and stop living in a little protective bubble. If it happens here why oh why wouldnt it happen there?

The rest of your rambling post about Linux etc still isnt applicable, no matter how many times you say it it wont make it fact. CONSOLES and OPERATING SYSTEMS are two totally different things and are NOT in direct competition with eachother... is your brain taking this in or are you still detatched from reality?

[iratasan]

Yeah right like YOU think before you start your little secretary fingers pounding your little keys.

It seems you are the one in denial thinking that the Sony thing doesnt happen in M$ related threads... you just have to look at the threads in this forum... think man, open your eyes, look around you and stop living in a little protective bubble. If it happens here why oh why wouldnt it happen there?

The rest of your rambling post about Linux etc still isnt applicable, no matter how many times you say it it wont make it fact. CONSOLES and OPERATING SYSTEMS are two totally different things and are NOT in direct competition with eachother... is your brain taking this in or are you still detatched from reality?

hahahahahaha. oooooooh, did i make the little kitty angry. ooooh i am sooory. me is such a bad bad bwoy and i need to be spanked. shouldn't you be in another threat kissing scorpion3's behind at this time of the day?

you want me out of the bubble, just call me at my office at 555-YOURMOTHER. please only on my lunch break, i don't want my boss to see me doing private calls while i have secretary work to do.

hahahahaha.
:D :D :D :D :D

PS my AKA is fist of the north star, but i guess i should change it to "p*ssed off the north star" ;)
have a nice day sir. don't forget your change.

[n0rthstar]

hahahahahaha. oooooooh, did i make the little kitty angry. ooooh i am sooory. me is such a bad bad bwoy and i need to be spanked. shouldn't you be in another threat kissing scorpion3's behind at this time of the day?

you want me out of the bubble, just call me at my office at 555-YOURMOTHER. please only on my lunch break, i don't want my boss to see me doing private calls while i have secretary work to do.

hahahahaha.
:D :D :D :D :D

PS my AKA is fist of the north star, but i guess i should change it to "p*ssed off the north star" ;)
have a nice day sir. don't forget your change.

LOL this is too immature for me im afraid, im not even going to continue this here. You'll find me in Yahoo Chat in The Fight Room:4 oh and come with a microphone ;) thats where i keep the immature stuff. Or if your afraid we will just have to agree to disagree as im not taking up this thred with petty arguments over something im clearly right about. :p

Ciao.

BTW - Who is scorpion3?

[Covert Knight]

another thing is that you wrote that your cd player from "back in the days" broke down recently. those peoples 360s are not from back in the days, they were purchased recently. turn this scenario around. if ANYTHING i bought for over 200 bucks would play a terror card like this on me then i would be p*ssed at the manufacturer, no matter which corporation that is.


Actually it broke literally 3 weeks after I got it. So I told them and they gave me a refirbished one (excuse my poor spelling) That one broke 5 weeks after I got it, then I got one more. So I went through 3 sony Cd Players. The Sony TV my family got broke after 2 months, and the Sony sound system I got broke as well but that was about a year. And my PSP broke as well, its weird its screen broke from the inside out. O_o I saw it crack while I was playing it, I have no possible explanation for that one. So no I never said it broke recently, I said cd players back in the days. And the TV was I think like 2 years ago so it wasn't exactly AGES ago. Hopefully (knock on wood) my Sony Camera will last its done well so far after a year. Anyway I dont say Sony is trying to screw me over but with my experience their stuff has broken on me and therefore I will do everything I can to avoid them and their products. Also let me say that their take down of Lik-Sang, and how Sony Online Entertainment continues to ruin what could have been great MMO games. (RIP SWG)

But back on topic, I'm sure some word about this will officially come out sometime relatively soon, it may not be what we want to hear but eventually I am sure they should say something, especially if people keep asking.

[iratasan]

LOL this is too immature for me im afraid, im not even going to continue this here. You'll find me in Yahoo Chat in The Fight Room:4 oh and come with a microphone ;) thats where i keep the immature stuff. Or if your afraid we will just have to agree to disagree as im not taking up this thred with petty arguments over something im clearly right about. :p

Ciao.

BTW - Who is scorpion3?

yahoo chat, eh? so this is what where the young chicks hang out nowadays. :D

you want it immature? ok i will lower myself to your level with the following offer. any parking space in the wider jersey area saturday night, you choose which one. just fists, no gloves. you can even bring a microphone if you want to. :D

yes, you are clearly right. ;)

welcome to denial.

PS: he's your father.

Actually it broke literally 3 weeks after I got it. So I told them and they gave me a refirbished one (excuse my poor spelling) That one broke 5 weeks after I got it, then I got one more. So I went through 3 sony Cd Players. The Sony TV my family got broke after 2 months, and the Sony sound system I got broke as well but that was about a year. And my PSP broke as well, its weird its screen broke from the inside out. O_o I saw it crack while I was playing it, I have no possible explanation for that one. So no I never said it broke recently, I said cd players back in the days. And the TV was I think like 2 years ago so it wasn't exactly AGES ago. Hopefully (knock on wood) my Sony Camera will last its done well so far after a year. Anyway I dont say Sony is trying to screw me over but with my experience their stuff has broken on me and therefore I will do everything I can to avoid them and their products. Also let me say that their take down of Lik-Sang, and how Sony Online Entertainment continues to ruin what could have been great MMO games. (RIP SWG)

But back on topic, I'm sure some word about this will officially come out sometime relatively soon, it may not be what we want to hear but eventually I am sure they should say something, especially if people keep asking.

wow, ok in your case i would be pretty p*ssed at sony. major difference is: did they deny that there was a problem?

i hope you have more luck with your camera.

yeah, that lik sang thing really got me p*ssed too. bastards!

i am not sure if we can expect an official statement apart from "there is no problem" anytime soo. maybe a "silent upgrade" on the 360 to stop the new consoles from crashing down, but they won't ever say that there is or was something wrong with the original 360.

don't worry, your spelling is fine.

[n0rthstar]

yahoo chat, eh? so this is what where the young chicks hang out nowadays. :D

you want it immature? ok i will lower myself to your level with the following offer. any parking space in the wider jersey area saturday night, you choose which one. just fists, no gloves. you can even bring a microphone if you want to. :D

yes, you are clearly right. ;)

welcome to denial.

PS: he's your father.

LOL good one, now that made me chuckle... So we agree to disagree then, seeing as im a brit and your a yank, plus the fact that im allergic to violence. :D

[iratasan]

LOL good one, now that made me chuckle... So we agree to disagree then, seeing as im a brit and your a yank, plus the fact that im allergic to violence. :D

fair deal mate. so i guess wider jersey area would be out of the question geographically anyways. :D

we agree to disagree.

but if you change your mind: violence is ALWAYS an option.
hahaha, just playin', we are cool now. :D

[gonepostl]

LOL this is too immature for me im afraid, im not even going to continue this here. You'll find me in Yahoo Chat in The Fight Room:4 oh and come with a microphone ;) thats where i keep the immature stuff. Or if your afraid we will just have to agree to disagree as im not taking up this thred with petty arguments over something im clearly right about. :p

Ciao.

BTW - Who is scorpion3?
^^^^
B1tch move


Anyway, I think if I buy a 360 I'll install in inside a pc case to avoid any overheating. Is this even naturally possible? Or does the layout of the board and the connections somehow not allow this to be possible without some hard work? Anybody know? If so I'll buy a 360 right now!

[snipersnake]

wow...the five paged thread was ..er..informative to me at least..


looking forward to 360's MGS4!

[martin.ca]

Does this mean I shouldn't play Forza 2 on my 360?

[snipersnake]

where can u play it then? your friend's 360?

[martin.ca]

where can u play it then? your friend's 360?
I can choose not to play it.

[Evil-Rebirth]

I agree with both Covert Knight and iratasan.

I can confess that I have many a Sony product mess up on me. A VCR, portable CD players, my first CD burner (which I sent back for repair and came back with the same problem), a receiver/amplifier, and a compact shelf system. So yes, Sony makes some very faulty devices, but to be perfectly honest, when they work they perform very well.

But getting back to this topic, iratasan is right. Sony makes many SKUs for many products (different models of similair products). So if I purchase a bad Sony CD player, I'm a bit more willing to accept that maybe that particular model was bad. But when my $400 cd burner failed and wasn't repaired properly, it left a sour taste in my mouth. I will NEVER purchase a CD/DVD burner from Sony again.

The problems with the 360 are different. There may be a 2 SKUs plus the new "Elite", but they all suffer from the same problems. As a consumer, you really don't have a choice when it comes to playing 360 exclusive titles. I have heard the saying "vote with your wallet" many times, and since I consider myself well informed on the topic, I will do just that. But the ill informed take a plunge without even knowing what they are getting into.

The other argument is that only those with faulty hardware post this stuff up. That's simply how we deal with these things. When we are upset at things such as this, we want the whole world to know. There may be a few lamers just adding fuel to the fire, but when I go to teamxbox's forums and read "I've had no problems with xxxx on my XBox" and their next post says "my XBox just died" - there's no denying that there are some very legit claims out there. And since I never read about PS3 or Wii hardware problems, it's safe to conclude that everybody must be happy with the performance of those systems. If not, we would be reading about it as well.

[soulbwoy]

^^^^
B1tch move
!



laugh out loud

[iratasan]

^^^^
B1tch move


Anyway, I think if I buy a 360 I'll install in inside a pc case to avoid any overheating. Is this even naturally possible? Or does the layout of the board and the connections somehow not allow this to be possible without some hard work? Anybody know? If so I'll buy a 360 right now!

i am not sure about the 360 as i did not open the case so far, but i know that it would be possible to put an xbox 1 into a pc case. there is even a converter so i can use a regular PC power supply. anway putting it all together into a pc case would be some a lot of work, but with the right tools it would be possible. it would be a cool thing to have a "silent" xbox in a HTPC/desktop case. i always planned on doing that, but i just did not have the money or the time. i already got it figured out how to do it from scratch to the final result.

i guess this also would work for the 360, but i can't say that for sure until i have took a closer look at the inside.

I agree with both Covert Knight and iratasan.

I can confess that I have many a Sony product mess up on me. A VCR, portable CD players, my first CD burner (which I sent back for repair and came back with the same problem), a receiver/amplifier, and a compact shelf system. So yes, Sony makes some very faulty devices, but to be perfectly honest, when they work they perform very well.

But getting back to this topic, iratasan is right. Sony makes many SKUs for many products (different models of similair products). So if I purchase a bad Sony CD player, I'm a bit more willing to accept that maybe that particular model was bad. But when my $400 cd burner failed and wasn't repaired properly, it left a sour taste in my mouth. I will NEVER purchase a CD/DVD burner from Sony again.

The problems with the 360 are different. There may be a 2 SKUs plus the new "Elite", but they all suffer from the same problems. As a consumer, you really don't have a choice when it comes to playing 360 exclusive titles. I have heard the saying "vote with your wallet" many times, and since I consider myself well informed on the topic, I will do just that. But the ill informed take a plunge without even knowing what they are getting into.

The other argument is that only those with faulty hardware post this stuff up. That's simply how we deal with these things. When we are upset at things such as this, we want the whole world to know. There may be a few lamers just adding fuel to the fire, but when I go to teamxbox's forums and read "I've had no problems with xxxx on my XBox" and their next post says "my XBox just died" - there's no denying that there are some very legit claims out there. And since I never read about PS3 or Wii hardware problems, it's safe to conclude that everybody must be happy with the performance of those systems. If not, we would be reading about it as well.

totally agreed, many people had the same experiences with sony's cd and dvd writers that you had. they totally suck at that. the cd/dvd reading times are a horror. sony divides everything they do in different company divisions, nearly like completely different companys. so while one product category might be fine some other could totally suck even if it is the same company.

i totally agree to all the other statements as well. thank you for your interesting post and your solid points.