MS Needs To Act Now On Hardware Failures - Or Risk Losing Consumer Support.

[DC RID3R]

In a recent GamesIndustry.biz article, the newsletter states that Microsoft must address its hardware reliability and customer service steadfast or "risk handing the goodwill of the market back to its rivals."
This problem hasn't gone away; in fact, from a consumer point of view, Microsoft appears to have done precisely nothing to address it. While the attention of the media may have turned to scrutiny of Sony's failings, the vast numbers of Xbox 360 owners who have been let down first by Microsoft's shoddy manufacturing, and subsequently by the company's arrogant and unfair policies with regard to customer service, have increased. Their voices are contributing to a groundswell of unrest and negative buzz which will hurt Microsoft very badly indeed if it is not addressed."
What do you guys think?

News source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/newsletter.php?aid=25307

[khukon20]

i see red . haha :D

[Rockman_Joey]

My brother hates his 360.

Has every XBOX Live Arcade game available in the PAL Regions, has quite a few games but really hates the manufacturing of the 360.

Likes everything else, hates the consoles make, Noise of the DVD Drive etc.

When he phoned Customer Service, he was still pretty pissed off about the service he was given.

[The_Eggman_1972]

No **** they do they !! they needed to pull their fingers out a year back instead of denying they was a problem p.s i feel a long thread coming on.

[lee6370]

No **** they do they !! they needed to pull their fingers out a year back instead of denying they was a problem p.s i feel a long thread coming on.

Quite agree, the only thing that’s saved them from worse PR over this is the fact that Sony keep fucking up as well.

Their problem now is, even though I believe the failure rate is a lot, lot lower than it was or what people perceive it to be because they buried their heads in the sand for so long, it's going to be really hard to convince people that their machine isn't going to fall apart as soon as you switch it on.

[cloporte]

In a recent GamesIndustry.biz article, the newsletter states that Microsoft must address its hardware reliability and customer service steadfast or "risk handing the goodwill of the market back to its rivals."

What do you guys think?

News source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/newsletter.php?aid=25307


well,

here it's gonna be again like the other article , the one talking about

failure rate of the 360 , all the 360 fanboys will state again the problem

is not real , what a joke .


**** M$ it's really a shame to sell this kind of hardware (not talking about the

functionnal quality but the build quality )

just my two cents ...

[anemicfrog]

I'm working for a game shop,( not to mention it ... Microplay), and beleive me, lots of broken 360 have been return, when i say lots, it is amazing. The first XBOX with Tomson drives are more reliable than the 360.

[cloporte]

I'm working for a game shop,( not to mention it ... Microplay), and beleive me, lots of broken 360 have been return, when i say lots, it is amazing. The first XBOX with Tomson drives are more reliable than the 360.

I know my friend's got a consoles store and many 360 had to be sent back to M$

only stupid fanboys want to ignore that .

[Adopted]

I wish they wouldn't fail but its not an issue for me since I bought mine at Costco :D

Same as my last two console purchases.

[Frak-Frakistan]

thank GOD the ps3 doesn't fail/suck/gets banned like the xbot

[lee6370]

thank GOD the ps3 doesn't fail/suck/gets banned like the xbot

Well it needs to get some use first.

[kristijan08]

really want a 360 but the RLoD are scaring me away! can't believe the elite suffers from the same fault, way to go microsoft!

[Scorpion3]

thank GOD the ps3 doesn't fail/suck/gets banned like the xbot

Well it needs to get some use first.

First, get your words messed up there? lol.
Second, the PS3 HAS had failing consoles and Sony doesn't give free fixes despite having a warranty.
And Third, exactly. We're talking about 2 million consoles that have been bought, assuming that every console bought wasn't on eBay or some other site being sold, there hasn't been enough consoles to say that it has great manufacturing.

Obviously the 360 has horrible manufacturing, they do need to do something about it and they did get somewhat started on doing it with the Xbox 360 Elite but it looks like they just stopped after awhile. But of course this thread will get long because Sony fanboys will come in saying "The PS3 is awesome because it doesn't have failure at all" not to mention coming in and accusing others of being fanboys because they they say anything bad about the PS3.

[lee6370]

really want a 360 but the RLoD are scaring me away! can't believe the elite suffers from the same fault, way to go microsoft!

It scares me and i've got one, although i've never had a problem with it, and neither have any of my mates.

Not sure what the failure rate is but it's no where near what people make out.

[Scorpion3]

It scares me and i've got one, although i've never had a problem with it, and neither have any of my mates.

Not sure what the failure rate is but it's no where near what people make out.

Exactly, 61 percent was on here a couple days ago. I guess that means that everytime someone powers up their 360 they have a 60 percent chance of TROD? Doubt that.

really want a 360 but the RLoD are scaring me away! can't believe the elite suffers from the same fault, way to go microsoft!

I'm not sure the Elite does suffer from it, I have only seen one picture of TROD and like mentioned before, TROD doesn't mean hardware failure entirely. You do get it when the Power Cable isn't in the 360 all the way, you can get it when your HDD has corrupted files on it (Thankfully you can just delete them), and I believe you get it when the Video Cable isn't plugged into the 360. TROD is basicly just a simple error screen like TBSOD.

[stop_loading]

Exactly, 61 percent was on here a couple days ago. I guess that means that everytime someone powers up their 360 they have a 60 percent chance of TROD? Doubt that.

actually, i'm willing to bet that 50% of xbox360 won't see their 2nd birthday, wait and see on nov 2007

It scares me and i've got one, although i've never had a problem with it, and neither have any of my mates.

Not sure what the failure rate is but it's no where near what people make out.

how old is your x360? let's see if it'll make it to its 2nd birthday, and get an warranty, you'll need it


I'm not sure the Elite does suffer from it, I have only seen one picture of TROD and like mentioned before, TROD doesn't mean hardware failure entirely. You do get it when the Power Cable isn't in the 360 all the way, you can get it when your HDD has corrupted files on it (Thankfully you can just delete them), and I believe you get it when the Video Cable isn't plugged into the 360. TROD is basicly just a simple error screen like TBSOD.

x360 obivously has a design problem, the elite provide a quick fix with epoxy, but it's like band-aid for a broken leg, it's a quick cheap way that doesnt fix the main design problem, remember elite has just been released a month ago, this problem is like a 12 month self-destruct sequence, we'll have to wait and see

microsoft need to get their 65nm out as soon as possible, and please STOP sending refurb x360s, they break within a month!, I can't believe people are on their 4th or 5th console, I dont have a x360, but personally my threshold is 3, If my 3rd console are dead, then the games will be on ebay, and there'll be another console torture video up on youtube.

Since ps3 is just released, we can't say that ps3 is free from this overheating problem. Although the amount of complain has been minimum, we'll have to wait untill ps3's first birthday. I really doubt ps3 has this problem though, ps3 has HUGE heatsink and fan, considering the heat from this generation of console, that's the way it should be done, stupid microsoft.

[Raggamuffin]

I don't care what other people say about defective 360s. Mine works flawless, is quiet and has not crashed so far.
Besides why is it that people are always tellin gamers with working 360s "You're lucky"? You expect every 360 owner like me to write in forums how satisfied they are with theirs? Oh come on...

Edit: Mines 18 months old if ur curious

[DaFireStarter]

MIcrosoft better do smoething about this or they'll become the next Ford. Ford's car failure rate were alot higher than their Japnanese counterparts so they shipped the assembly lines over sees to make more money, and have longer lasting vehicles. That's why I am only buying from Chevy an indenpendent company. BTW Both of the XBOX 360 I bought one in March and the other one last summer still work. I guess it's the luck of the draw.

[lee6370]

actually, i'm willing to bet that 50% of xbox360 won't see their 2nd birthday, wait and see on nov 2007



how old is your x360? let's see if it'll make it to its 2nd birthday, and get an warranty, you'll need it



x360 obivously has a design problem, the elite provide a quick fix with epoxy, but it's like band-aid for a broken leg, it's a quick cheap way that doesnt fix the main design problem, remember elite has just been released a month ago, this problem is like a 12 month self-destruct sequence, we'll have to wait and see

microsoft need to get their 65nm out as soon as possible, and please STOP sending refurb x360s, they break within a month!, I can't believe people are on their 4th or 5th console, I dont have a x360, but personally my threshold is 3, If my 3rd console are dead, then the games will be on ebay, and there'll be another console torture video up on youtube.

Since ps3 is just released, we can't say that ps3 is free from this overheating problem. Although the amount of complain has been minimum, we'll have to wait untill ps3's first birthday. I really doubt ps3 has this problem though, ps3 has HUGE heatsink and fan, considering the heat from this generation of console, that's the way it should be done, stupid microsoft.

There's loads of BS about the PS3, do I believe it all? Of course not.
There's a load of BS about the 360, do you believe it all? Seems you do.

I can post that I have a 360 and know about 10 others people with one ranging from 18 months old to a couple of months old, and not one person has had a problem, then you'll get posts from people saying well I know 6 people and their 360 all failed.

Fact is I can only tell you my experience, and I know of 10 360's that have been and still are working fine.

Of course there are a lot of posts about the trod, and think about it, what else is there to complain about, it has lots of games, plenty of exclusives, and it’s cheap, etc, etc. so people jump on the one thing.

Now look at Sony, there is loads to complain about (not saying it's true) so we still get the same amount of people complaining but it's spread over lots of topics.

If I say my 360 has just failed, does that make it true? Of course not I can write what I want, take what you read with a pinch of salt, apply some common sense.

[segaman1977]

I do believe I mentioned something similar on a previous thread. I believe the ROD epidemic exists but is completely exagerated by competitive console supporters. Between eight of my friends, all of us owning 360s since or close to launch, non of us have ever had a hardware issue, except for Mike who had an error E68 which we found out to be a harddrive error. Oddly enough he unplugged it an reattached it an it seemed to correct itself. Five of us have PS3s, and Two of our PS3s are already having random lockup issues. It seems to always happen when playing Resistance. Nevertheless, we really like both our systems, and people really need to stop critisizing the 360. Especially PS3 fanboys and Modders. My system is modded, and if I get kicked off of Live (which will probably be soon ;) ), that's my own damn fault, not Microsofts. If you want to bend the rules deal with the consequences. Besides, I feel two years isn't quite enough time to work out flaws. Look at how many revisions of PS2 there were before they overcame the heating and the laser longevity issues. The PS2 was the only system to give me repeated issues, but I liked it, and eventually got one thats been good to me:the 50000 series which was 4th year, Let me say again "4th" year model. In conclusion, consoles will have issues, just stop whining and enjoy the games. The hardware issues will get resolved, and if you can't deal with flaws, just wait for the systems to be out a few years. You will get a better system and it will be cheaper. On a side note, we have a theory about the 360 issue. None of us use our systems vertically. We are guessing that the people that are having the ROD problem might be vertically standing their systems. We are guessing that the heat might be getting trapped under the harddrive bay accumalating directly over processor raising the surface temp, and tada, dead system. Like I said, just a theory.:cool:

[fragreaver]

I'm gonna sell my (broke) 360. While the XBox1 was rock solid; only a broken cable within around 4 years, the XBox360 is like "Yeah, it's ready, let's throw it on the market before sony and nintendo. Who needs testing anyway?"

Actually, my shelf won't see a 360 again until

# homebrew is possible
# the console is much more stable

And the really annoying fact is, that MS won't admit, that their hardware sucks.

"Yeah, only a few defectives here. We're still under the average 3-5% rate in consumer electronics!"

Dumbasses. Worst thing is, even the elite-version has rlod. Meaning, MS don't know what to do or whats the cause of the error.

Putting epoxy on something doesn't solve all problem, aye?

[Calidrifter]

well... you get what you pay for. 360 isn't bad as far as games go.. but the hardware...:eek: I remember a video was posted here at MC where 3 guys living in the same apt had their 360s crap out on them.

[KainXS]

I'm gonna sell my (broke) 360. While the XBox1 was rock solid; only a broken cable within around 4 years, the XBox360 is like "Yeah, it's ready, let's throw it on the market before sony and nintendo. Who needs testing anyway?"

Actually, my shelf won't see a 360 again until

# homebrew is possible
# the console is much more stable

And the really annoying fact is, that MS won't admit, that their hardware sucks.

"Yeah, only a few defectives here. We're still under the average 3-5% rate in consumer electronics!"

Dumbasses. Worst thing is, even the elite-version has rlod. Meaning, MS don't know what to do or whats the cause of the error.

Putting epoxy on something doesn't solve all problem, aye?

same for me xbmc all the way

[stop_loading]

There's loads of BS about the PS3, do I believe it all? Of course not.
There's a load of BS about the 360, do you believe it all? Seems you do.

I can post that I have a 360 and know about 10 others people with one ranging from 18 months old to a couple of months old, and not one person has had a problem, then you'll get posts from people saying well I know 6 people and their 360 all failed.

Fact is I can only tell you my experience, and I know of 10 360's that have been and still are working fine.

Of course there are a lot of posts about the trod, and think about it, what else is there to complain about, it has lots of games, plenty of exclusives, and it’s cheap, etc, etc. so people jump on the one thing.

Now look at Sony, there is loads to complain about (not saying it's true) so we still get the same amount of people complaining but it's spread over lots of topics.

If I say my 360 has just failed, does that make it true? Of course not I can write what I want, take what you read with a pinch of salt, apply some common sense.

check the official 360 forum, there are LOADS of people in frustration and on their 4th or 5th x360 right now, now these are people that LOVE their 360s, they have thousands gamer score and you can see their gametags and the games they played, and they said themselves they love their 360, and they have invested so much by buying the games and the accessories, why would they lie about it?, stop denying it, x360 has a severe design problem

hey don't take my word for it, go to the forum yourself, talk to the people there, and ask if they're BS-ing their stories, and unlike me, they have 360s
http://forums.xbox.com/281/ShowForum.aspx

and check gamespot's forum
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24948509&page=134

and check youtube, on bbc's watchdog and some people on their 3rd or 4th x360

and while I'm at it, look at matt's blog from IGN, he's an editor and VERY credible, and we all know he loves his 360, and he has all console

" My Fourth Xbox 360 Just Broke
When you pay $300 or $400 for a videogame system, you'd like to think that, at the very least, it will work. Apparently Microsoft, however, does not believe this is a necessity for its Xbox 360 console. It's both insane and, at this point, really goddamned ridiculous. I'm not exaggerating when I state that 90 percent of the people I know have returned at least one broken Xbox 360. Many of my co-workers and friends have returned them multiple times. "

http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2007/01/19/44024/

sorry to break it to you, but 360s are breaking down, I'm not saying ps3s are not, but we'll have to wait at least a year to see it (plus not many people have ps3). If someone has gone through 3-4 consoles within 2 years, then that console obviosly has a design probem

[phallius]

With the problems associated with the XBOX360 and the PS3, it's no wonder that a little piece of graphics crap like the Wii is kicking their ass. The wii has more games, an innovative controller and the promise of Nintendo support (which has never really failed except for the virtual game boy---owe my eyes!!!) My 360 overheats after about an hour and I sold my PS3 a month after launch- reason- no games.
Phallius

[automachete]

Matter of fact, I chuckled after reading this thread. My Xbox 360 shot craps last week, giving me the TROD. Phoned Xbox support and told them I'd gone through all the steps, yadayada, and they told me they'd send out a box. This was Sunday. It's now Friday, and I've yet to see my box. This is very poor service. The box was shipped UPS GROUND on Wednesday. GROUND! I have an Apple iBook (one of the late models) and had a few problems with it a couple of months after purchase. After a short, friendly phone call with AppleCare, my service return box was on my doorstep in two days.

It's taken MS three times as long to get that same amount of support to me. And who knows how long this repair will last.

[PSPWAD]

When he phoned Customer Service, he was still pretty pissed off about the service he was given.
I call bullshit, their CS is the best I've seen.

[RiPPn]

I call bullshit, their CS is the best I've seen.

I concur, their service is great, and the TROD shouldn't scare anyone away from purchasing a 360 as most every horror story has a happy ending. Microsoft has been swift and generous with this problem. My experience is I had a launch console, it experienced the TROD May of last year. At this time warranty was only 3 months, which was well past expiration. Anyway they still sent me a prepaid shipping box and a refurb within 5 days. Then because I now had a refurb my xbox live purchased content wasn't working, well Microsoft refunded me all my points so I could repurchase the content, plus gave me 100.00 extra in points. Needless to say their service has been top notch, and my refurb has been running flawless for over a year now.

[WickedSkin]

thank GOD the ps3 doesn't fail/suck/gets banned like the xbot
'

We don't know that yet kid.

[JHFerry]

Well last night, after a grueling bad day, I fired up my 360 only to see TROD. I called MS support and they are sending a box to pick it up. Pisses me off to see the Elite on the shelf while they just recycle refurbished 360's to customers. You dont get a new one back, they give you an old one that they fixed which still has the same problems and is doomed to fail again.

Thats the problem.

[RiPPn]

Well last night, after a grueling bad day, I fired up my 360 only to see TROD. I called MS support and they are sending a box to pick it up. Pisses me off to see the Elite on the shelf while they just recycle refurbished 360's to customers. You dont get a new one back, they give you an old one that they fixed which still has the same problems and is doomed to fail again.

Thats the problem.

This is no longer the case, no longer are they sending out refurbs, they are now fixing and returning your console back to you, I can't remember when Microsoft installed this policy, but it was at least 6 months ago.

[PSPWAD]

This is no longer the case, no longer are they sending out refurbs, they are now fixing and returning your console back to you, I can't remember when Microsoft installed this policy, but it was at least 6 months ago.
The policy has always been, if it's fixable they repair it, if not they send you a new/refurb.

[hacktek]

I love how at MC at least 5 "news" a day are simply for stating the obvious.

[PSPWAD]

I love how at MC at least 5 "news" a day are simply for stating the obvious.
Well, you know, we have to have the topics to keep the PS3 fanboys active in the 360 section talking about the 360 they don't own breaking 10 times, and then keeping the 360 fanboys active in the PS3 section talking about how much it sucks and how no one owns it and how the shelves in the stores are covered with so many PS3s that you could build a house with them...I mean, it wouldn't be a REAL forum without all this shittalking happening :rolleyes:

[foldor]

Well let me tell you all about the "wonderful" Xbox 360.

I had just recently purchased a new console about 2 months ago, and sure enough I got the 3 red lights. So of course I called up MS to get it repaired. I have called about 8 times, for various reasons, and every time they that they are currently experiencing a lot of call and have a longer then normal wait time. This is on 8 separate days over the course of a month. What is a "Normal wait time"?

Well they did agree to send me a prepaid shipping box to send my console back in, which comes from a city not to far from here. I was given the 3-5 business days to wait for the box and then after 7 days I call and wonder where the hell it is. I get a different rep and give my reference number and he says that they haven't even shipped it out yet! So he says he will get right on that and NOW I need to wait another 3-5 days for it. But of course this happened to be just as a long weekend was happening last weekend so I had to wait even longer. Sure enough after 5 business days, which was yesterday, I call again and they say that it is just about to go out TODAY! I have officially waited 16 days for the box to come before it showed up. 11 of which were business days. It took exactly 3 hours to reach my house when they decided to send it out so what the hell took them so long?

I finally got the box and sent it through the Purolator that they use down here for shipping, and while I was there the rep noticed she was just holding an empty box and she automatically knew I was sending out a 360. Great first sign huh? Well, I asked her how many they get in and she says about 2 per day! That is unbelievable. This is by no means a huge city with it's population just over 100k with 2 Purolator's for the 360 owners to use, and this one STILL gets 2 A DAY!

After I send it out to them which was just about an hour ago I asked her how long it usually takes for them to send it back and she told me about 7-10 business days. Which is ridiculous since it takes 3 hours to get there and 3 hours back, which means it takes about 6-9 days just to take the console out and then put a new one in. This must mean they get a large volume in on a regular basis.

THIS is why I believe the failure rate to be much higher than MS is letting on.

[Scorpion3]

actually, i'm willing to bet that 50% of xbox360 won't see their 2nd birthday, wait and see on nov 2007

Um...pure opinion anyone? Like I said, my 360 has only broke once, back in Novemeber 2005.

how old is your x360? let's see if it'll make it to its 2nd birthday, and get an warranty, you'll need it

Biased much? lol. Again pure opinion without evidence. I know a ton of people who have had their console since launch and is coming up on their "2nd birthday".


x360 obivously has a design problem, the elite provide a quick fix with epoxy, but it's like band-aid for a broken leg, it's a quick cheap way that doesnt fix the main design problem, remember elite has just been released a month ago, this problem is like a 12 month self-destruct sequence, we'll have to wait and see

According to all the news articles that you apparently believe in whole heartedly, the 360 breaks more than just 12 months after buying it. So to say it only provides a cheap fix isn't true seeing as how many Elites has been bought and only heard of 1 person ever having a problem with theirs.

microsoft need to get their 65nm out as soon as possible, and please STOP sending refurb x360s, they break within a month!, I can't believe people are on their 4th or 5th console, I dont have a x360, but personally my threshold is 3, If my 3rd console are dead, then the games will be on ebay, and there'll be another console torture video up on youtube.

Agreed, they do need to get them out. As for sending Refurbished 360's, that's complete Bullshit. They don't put Refurbished consoles on shelves, OR send people Refurbished consoles when sending theirs in for repair. If that was true, my console would have been dead by December, right?

Since ps3 is just released, we can't say that ps3 is free from this overheating problem. Although the amount of complain has been minimum, we'll have to wait untill ps3's first birthday. I really doubt ps3 has this problem though, ps3 has HUGE heatsink and fan, considering the heat from this generation of console, that's the way it should be done, stupid microsoft.

I'm sorry, just released? I thought it has been out for almost 8 months. And there has been problems with overheating, it's just not seen as much as a widespread case like the 360, probably because they're shy of 8 million consoles to compare.

I don't care what other people say about defective 360s. Mine works flawless, is quiet and has not crashed so far.
Besides why is it that people are always tellin gamers with working 360s "You're lucky"? You expect every 360 owner like me to write in forums how satisfied they are with theirs? Oh come on...

Edit: Mines 18 months old if ur curious

Exactly, they think since there are a lot of people who say "My 360 broke because of..." they jump to "OMG, look at all the people who have broken 360's, that has to be at least 5 Million!". Which is obviously just what they want to hear, if they want a true estimate, look on Xbox.com, they have over 7 Million users who own 360s and not many of them talk about their 360s breaking, because they haven't.

[rezine39]

Kill yourself fanboy^, along with PSPWAD. Very shitty forum

[Scorpion3]

Kill yourself fanboy^, along with PSPWAD. Very shitty forum

Thank you for your very unspammy, nonfanboy comments. :) Please come again.

[gonepostl]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8528/10926893155155gp3.jpg
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Scorpion3]

Well, you know, we have to have the topics to keep the PS3 fanboys active in the 360 section talking about the 360 they don't own breaking 10 times, and then keeping the 360 fanboys active in the PS3 section talking about how much it sucks and how no one owns it and how the shelves in the stores are covered with so many PS3s that you could build a house with them...I mean, it wouldn't be a REAL forum without all this shittalking happening :rolleyes:

I guess I never thought of it like that...:rolleyes:

[hacktek]

Well, you know, we have to have the topics to keep the PS3 fanboys active in the 360 section talking about the 360 they don't own breaking 10 times, and then keeping the 360 fanboys active in the PS3 section talking about how much it sucks and how no one owns it and how the shelves in the stores are covered with so many PS3s that you could build a house with them...I mean, it wouldn't be a REAL forum without all this shittalking happening :rolleyes:

Very true...

[stop_loading]

Um...pure opinion anyone? Like I said, my 360 has only broke once, back in Novemeber 2005.

Biased much? lol. Again pure opinion without evidence. I know a ton of people who have had their console since launch and is coming up on their "2nd birthday".


it's a bet, and you have nothing to disprove it, x360 is 5 months away from its 2nd birthday, and how's your xbox broke on november 2005? x360 was RELEASED in nov 2005,
tell me ANY OTHER CONSOLE that has a problem with THIS magnitude, that's right none, you'll just have to wait and see, they ARE breaking down, and ton of people on their 1st x360? do you think I take your word for it? from an xbox fanboy? I'll take matt's word any day, stop being a fanboy and maybe people will trust you


According to all the news articles that you apparently believe in whole heartedly, the 360 breaks more than just 12 months after buying it. So to say it only provides a cheap fix isn't true seeing as how many Elites has been bought and only heard of 1 person ever having a problem with theirs.

These stories are from LEGITIMATE source, matt from IGN, watchdog's BBC, and people on xbox forum with 10,000s gamerscore, and the time x360 breaks varies, some got less than a year, some have around 1 year, and some last 15 months, go to the official forum and talk to the people there and pretend x360 has no problem, you'll be flamed left and right, from your own kind

and Elite is just a CHEAP fix, this is not originally my word, people on official x360 forum are saying so, and it's proven by the comparison picture of elite motherboard and regular 360 motherboard, microsoft KNOW there's a design problem, that's why they put epoxy on THE exact problematic spot, but instead redesigning the whole thing, they apply "hardware patches" that won't fix the fundamental real problem,
and Elite has only been out for a month, wait a while, and you'll see they're breaking down



Agreed, they do need to get them out. As for sending Refurbished 360's, that's complete Bullshit. They don't put Refurbished consoles on shelves, OR send people Refurbished consoles when sending theirs in for repair. If that was true, my console would have been dead by December, right?

they are sending refurbished 360s, again ASK ppl in official xbox forum, WHY do you think people are on their 4th or 5th console? BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTIN REFURBISHED 360 THAT BREAK IN A MONTH, of course xbots like you are in denial everytime, again go to the forum, ask people who has their 6th or 7th x360


I'm sorry, just released? I thought it has been out for almost 8 months. And there has been problems with overheating, it's just not seen as much as a widespread case like the 360, probably because they're shy of 8 million consoles to compare.

if you want to said ps3 has been out a significant amount of time, then you lose, ps3's problems has been isolated, it's nowhere near this magnitude, if you go around ps3 forum, the hardware related problems are minimum compared to x360, now since I dont want to judge a console too early, I would wait for ps3's 1st birthday, let's see if ps3 has a 12 month self destruct program like the x360s, that's called being UNBIASED



Exactly, they think since there are a lot of people who say "My 360 broke because of..." they jump to "OMG, look at all the people who have broken 360's, that has to be at least 5 Million!". Which is obviously just what they want to hear, if they want a true estimate, look on Xbox.com, they have over 7 Million users who own 360s and not many of them talk about their 360s breaking, because they haven't.

if you still thinking x360 has no design problem, then you're in denial, period, again name any other console that ANYONE has to go through 5 within 2 YEARS of console lifetime,

and think about the other way around, how many people complain to the board when they have broken x360s? do you think average joe hang out in the forum? nope, there many broken 360s there that we didnt hear the story of

and while denying this problem, you just have to wait, chances are, your x360 WILL break within 2 years, unless you're lucky and your on the half that have a good batch, but then again, when do you think your x360 will last knowing it has a fundamental design problem? take my word for it, get a warranty, it's $20-30 for a year, no biggie

and check this site http://www.xbox360defective.com/index.php

[Scorpion3]

it's a bet, and you have nothing to disprove it, x360 is 5 months away from its 2nd birthday, and how's your xbox broke on november 2005? x360 was RELEASED in nov 2005,
tell me ANY OTHER CONSOLE that has a problem with THIS magnitude, that's right none, you'll just have to wait and see, they ARE breaking down, and ton of people on their 1st x360? do you think I take your word for it? from an xbox fanboy? I'll take matt's word any day, stop being a fanboy and maybe people will trust you

Yeah...it did, good that you know the release date? :confused: What does that have to do with it not being able to die in the first month? As for other consoles, what does "Problems of this magnitude" have to do with anything? You're forgetting that I said it had problems and they needed to do something about it and not write it off. :rolleyes: You don't have to take my word for it, but you're sure as hell take some no one from the internet's word for it, I call that hypocracy, but hey to each his own. Oh, but I forgot, I'm a fanboy. Yes...fanboys buy from every game company in the world...yes. Silly me. :D


These stories are from LEGITIMATE source, matt from IGN, watchdog's BBC, and people on xbox forum with 10,000s gamerscore, and the time x360 breaks varies, some got less than a year, some have around 1 year, and some last 15 months, go to the official forum and talk to the people there and pretend x360 has no problem, you'll be flamed left and right, from your own kind

Read above dumbass, I said the problems were real, but I guess that calling me a fanboy instead of actually trying to be literate is an easier approach.

and Elite is just a CHEAP fix, this is not originally my word, people on official x360 forum are saying so, and it's proven by the comparison picture of elite motherboard and regular 360 motherboard, microsoft KNOW there's a design problem, that's why they put epoxy on THE exact problematic spot, but instead redesigning the whole thing, they apply "hardware patches" that won't fix the fundamental real problem,
and Elite has only been out for a month, wait a while, and you'll see they're breaking down

Alright, I'm convinced, you can't read. Because of this, and you again sticking to "You're a fanboy, STFU!" and other idiotic comments instead of reading my posts in which you quoted...you get the rest of your post.


they are sending refurbished 360s, again ASK ppl in official xbox forum, WHY do you think people are on their 4th or 5th console? BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTIN REFURBISHED 360 THAT BREAK IN A MONTH, of course xbots like you are in denial everytime, again go to the forum, ask people who has their 6th or 7th x360

Do you not understand the simple, VERY simple idea that you only hear from the people who have problems? lmao. I joined MC because of my 360 failure to try and fix it, hence my Reg Date.

if you want to said ps3 has been out a significant amount of time, then you lose, ps3's problems has been isolated, it's nowhere near this magnitude, if you go around ps3 forum, the hardware related problems are minimum compared to x360, now since I dont want to judge a console too early, I would wait for ps3's 1st birthday, let's see if ps3 has a 12 month self destruct program like the x360s, that's called being UNBIASED

So...you saying that because the PS3's failures are isolated when there's no proof of that because of lack of PS3's being sold to people using them. Saying that you'll wait for the 1'st birthday will be unbiased is right, yet you turn around and contradict yourself above saying that all 360 will die before November 2007. That's unbiased? Uh.....huh.

if you still thinking x360 has no design problem, then you're in denial, period, again name any other console that ANYONE has to go through 5 within 2 YEARS of console lifetime,

and think about the other way around, how many people complain to the board when they have broken x360s? do you think average joe hang out in the forum? nope, there many broken 360s there that we didnt hear the story of

and while denying this problem, you just have to wait, chances are, your x360 WILL break within 2 years, unless you're lucky and your on the half that have a good batch, but then again, when do you think your x360 will last knowing it has a fundamental design problem? take my word for it, get a warranty, it's $20-30 for a year, no biggie

and check this site http://www.xbox360defective.com/index.php

A. Illiteracy again
B. Thick Skull again, which I explained above if you try and get some reading lessons you can read it.
C. lol. Ignorance?

Before I end this post, I'll show you where you fucked up. :) So you're not confused that is...

Obviously the 360 has horrible manufacturing, they do need to do something about it and they did get somewhat started on doing it with the Xbox 360 Elite but it looks like they just stopped after awhile.

[hacktek]

Love the quote battle. Keep it up :D