rumor about "Wii NTSC-J can't be modded"

[wolfkk]

原帖由 xanonwk 於 2007-5-24 20:00 發表
http://www.hacken.cc/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1668552&ptid=145405
Wii NTST-J cut pins, you can't MOD it any more

It is a latest news from a shop in 188. The latest lots of Wii NTSC-J can't be modded. Why? It's because 3-pins are physically cut from a surface-mounted IC. There are still some Wii NTSC-J unaffected in 188 and Golden, but price will go up soon once this news spreads out and everyone is struggling to be the last one to have it. So hurry if you have not gotten one yourself yet. Of course, if you only play legitimate games, then it doesn't bother you anyway.

Luckily, Wii NTSC-U is not affected yet.
can anyone confirm it ?



more information from three difference website & image

http://www.tvgame360.com.tw/viewthread.php?tid=20764&extra=page%3D1
http://www.atvgc.com/forum/attachments/month_0705/20070524_926c9124601b3f9662a25gKVGNHTbhoW.jpg

http://www.cngba.com/thread-16794260-1-1.html
http://www.atvgc.com/forum/attachments/month_0705/20070524_39d27f6e287032e9f7984qZrqfdWbDzY.jpg

http://www.hacken.cc/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=145658&extra=page%3D1
http://www.atvgc.com/forum/attachments/month_0705/20070524_dbdbd60aa7e81a9777c7nrK5tgn8SF3I.jpg



NTSC-USA Wii also
Originally Posted by wiimodmaster
New North America Wii's that are EXTREMLY Hard to mod.
http://psx-scene.com/forums/wii-modchips/57136-new-north-america-wiis-extremly-hard-mod.html

Well It's confirmed, they are cutting wires to the chip. I guess its time to get a profesional dremmel and grind the chip a bit.
Here is photos.

I took these photos myself, this is the second Wii I ran into with this, both were bought on or after May 24th. Anyone have ideas?

http://www.atvgc.com/forum/attachments/month_0705/20070526_489b290d1c1841098a93GZa33V8TRDN6.jpg
http://www.atvgc.com/forum/attachments/month_0705/20070526_3e51b8f942c1581ca28beXXpsiDO5sEy.jpg


Wheeeee



it can mod someone tried
http://www.atvgc.com/forum/attachments/month_0705/20070525_4f36634031fad02fd6d1bW0Qt0tsXiag.jpg

[{{909}}]

this sort of news is always found with the side note of where the currently modable machines are available and that they are vastly price hiked. I wouldnt treat it as fact without pictures.

[Tall King Crap]

Would of thought it would of been easier to remove all the 3 remaining tracks after they removed the wiikey track

Removal of the pins themselves seems more work to precision remove the legs as they are not at the ends of the chip but surrounded by other legs

track removal would of meant that it might still have been tricky but mod-able

remove the legs and it looks bollox'd for most of us except soldering guru's like cheeky monkey

I use a pic of his showing the tracks / pin out locations

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=487914#post487914

I hope more details emerge to confirm what they have done with pics and model batch numbers
(Bet Datel's drive doctor really seems like a waste of time now)

[{{909}}]

nintendo (if they have indeed removed those 3 pins) must know that modders are using both the pads and the pins so its hardly surprising they have took away both options.

I had a wii to fix a while ago and the pins were all mashed up with solder, when i removed it all i found that one of those pins out of the 4 cluster was broken off, it was lucky it wasnt one of the 3 that are used in the chip install, so by that knowledge, removing the pins may be an option, since the wii worked fine with that one missing.

World domination is guarenteed anyway, even without the help of piracy :) Im sure a work arround will be found aswell, eventually.

[Tall King Crap]

Without seeing pictures of the jap wii itself I am wondering - or hoping that this particular Wii might be a refurb by the retailer or Nintendo itself

Nintendo must be getting back a small number of screwed Wii's and Microsoft starting selling refurbed xbox's a while back when stocks started to run low worldwide

Nintendo would need to have these 3 or 5 legs removed
(if you count the 3 + 1 not used perhaps + wiikey legs)

ould of thought they would of tried first to remove the tracks on next batch of pcb's - just wipe them off would be an easy pcb revision or update before they alter the components or Panasonic chip in this case....
(Think it would be some poor sod's job to snap these off or ask Panasonic to remove them in the plant as the chips were made - hmmm sounds easier to remove tracks like I said)

All this of course is speculation atm but I am hoping that this is a refurb on a previously bolloxed Wii or Nintendo have started to remove tracks rather than legs - hope so

Hopefully over the nezt few days/weeks we shall see if this is shape of things to come or just a few isolated refurb's trying to be passed on by sellers or Nintendo
(Hope they ain't pushing out refurbed Wii's as New coz be a bit miffed buying what seems to be an early wii think a Wiikey can go on there and it is a reworked botched install like some have welded together on here and totally leg-less
(A leg-less wii, sounds like it was on a heavy drinking session)

[Zilluss]

You can still solder to the chip wich isn't as hard (had to do it myself after one pin got screwed :-/ )

[Kaphis]

um...the "pins" that you speak of are what you are soldering to on the chip ==" ....please read the article carefully...if they remote the pins of the physical chip, there is nothing to solder on..

[alkalinetrio]

only work around would be to completely remove the entire chipset and somehow get hold of a compatible one and resolder that which is basically impossible and just also... pointless. uh ooohh

[strells]

I'm not sure I understand how they can just remove the pins from a third-party IC, unless they've convinced Panasonic to make a special version just for them or they are cutting them off during board assembly.

Steve

[ghosthk]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/laputa077/IMG.jpg
Quoted from cngba.com
http://www.cngba.com/thread-16794260-1-1.html

[wiggim]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/laputa077/IMG.jpg
Quoted from cngba.com
http://www.cngba.com/thread-16794260-1-1.html

thats pretty hardcore way to prevent modding. Where can we get some replacement chips from now? lol

[Tarv]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/laputa077/IMG.jpg
Quoted from cngba.com
http://www.cngba.com/thread-16794260-1-1.html
i can still see a little bit of the pins still sticking out of the chip. i could solder to that.

[opnr2000]

I made the image lighter in photoshop, You can see the IC legs poking out of the chip!!



http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3245/49255635au0.jpg

[Xboxmodder999]

While there are many people who can still solder to those, for the most part, people can't. Currently many soldering "noobs" can solder chips into the wii, but if all wii's end up being that way, none of them would be able to do that.

[zevdogs]

well I'm sure you you could use a knife ore a file on the black part of the chip,(its just insulation) to get to the inside of the legs and solder to them

[gonepostl]

I guess I'm buying a wii now! before this becomes this comes to America!;)

[mwg]

yes, removing the isulation of the chip is easy, i repaired many ps2 with broken legs of chips. just 4 minutes more work.. :D

[Tall King Crap]

still don't quite get it ?

I mean that pic is an example as it is the wiikey layout and whats more has the wiikey track still there when I thought they were removing this wiikey track in Asia and Europe

the post or link refers to batch of Wii's, meaning more than one off refurb perhaps - so what is the first part of the serial so we may know what to look out for

and if the pic is an edited one can we see the real Wii board if possible

If this is the state of things to come then focus will shift from solder mods to either softmod hacks or reflash the Wii drive's firmware
(And then the ol cat n mouse game starts again)

[ninjya]

This is not true.
I have modded 4 japanese Wii's already with the wiikey. Works perfectly fine.

[{{909}}]

if they are just cutting the legs off like in that picture, leaving the stubs is great, means ill get more business over noob installers :)

I would expect this to me a quick fix by nintendo tho, a true revision of the hardware could remove all chances of getting tot he required pins.

[xoltri]

if they are just cutting the legs off like in that picture, leaving the stubs is great, means ill get more business over noob installers :)

Same here.

[duros]

This is not true.
I have modded 4 japanese Wii's already with the wiikey. Works perfectly fine.

This is true, the NEW model Japanese wii are affected. Not the OLD.

[gonepostl]

So Is It Real Or Not! We Got 50% Of People Who Think They Know Soldering Saying It Is Definetly A Hoax And We Got The Other 50% Shitting Themself. I'm Definetly Brown Bombin Right Now!

[Tall King Crap]

I'm thinking it is a refurb like I said earlier - well I hope so coz it is an older wiikey pcb and that it would be hassle to snap off 3 pins in the middle or ask pansonic to remove them

see here for more info:

http://psx-scene.com/forums/wii-modchips/57077-rumor-about-wii-ntsc-j-cant-modded.html

80% refurb chance me thinks and maybe 20% they may have done this for certain batches especially as mod/piracy is rife in Asia/Far East

[Dakoman]

if you look at the photo you can tell that /someone/ has been playing round with the PCB, the large pad looks lieke someone has tried to solder to it and there's flux residue all over the PCB in the bottom right.

[wolfkk]

information update ;)

[gonepostl]

I can't beleive I'm going to buy a wii NOT because they have good games but because it will soon not be moddable. There's 250 bux well spent:mad:

[Tall King Crap]

It is TRUE & they have landed in USA already....

http://psx-scene.com/forums/wii-modchips/57077-rumor-about-wii-ntsc-j-cant-modded.html

http://psx-scene.com/forums/wii-modchips/57136-new-north-america-wiis-extremly-hard-mod.html

but they are mod-able but perhaps beyond my skills
If & when I get one in UK I think Cheeky Monkey will be getting my business as I know my limits

it may be a temp stop gap until Nintendo changes the pcb but for any soldering guru's out there it was a waste of time it seems

cheers to the brave wiimodmaster - think the name says it all

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/queekus/DSC00144.jpg?t=1180391563

&

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/queekus/DSC00152.jpg?t=1180394848

[odinfire]

It is TRUE & they have landed in USA already....

http://psx-scene.com/forums/wii-modchips/57077-rumor-about-wii-ntsc-j-cant-modded.html

http://psx-scene.com/forums/wii-modchips/57136-new-north-america-wiis-extremly-hard-mod.html

but they are mod-able but perhaps beyond my skills
If & when I get one in UK I think Cheeky Monkey will be getting my business as I know my limits

it may be a temp stop gap until Nintendo changes the pcb but for any soldering guru's out there it was a waste of time it seems

cheers to the brave wiimodmaster - think the name says it all

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/queekus/DSC00144.jpg?t=1180391563

&

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/queekus/DSC00152.jpg?t=1180394848

I dont get it. How can you dig a chip up like that to get at the pins and still have it work? Does it not matter that the chip is half eaten away as long as the pins stay connected? I really would be interested in knowing just how far you can go with these chips. Its seems you can almost do whatever you want to the black chip part.

Anyone?

[numms]

I dont get it. How can you dig a chip up like that to get at the pins and still have it work? Does it not matter that the chip is half eaten away as long as the pins stay connected? I really would be interested in knowing just how far you can go with these chips. Its seems you can almost do whatever you want to the black chip part.

Anyone?
Based on what someone else here posted earlier in this thread, the black part is nothing more than insulation for what's underneath. I certainly won't be playing around with it as I know the limits of my skills.

[gonepostl]

Based on what someone else here posted earlier in this thread, the black part is nothing more than insulation for what's underneath. I certainly won't be playing around with it as I know the limits of my skills.

So we're fuked. That was our entryway into the wii's BACKUP unit and it's been shut down. I can't beleive this sh1t I really wanted a Wii

[watteva]

Look at this article:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39915

[jakefell]

Something that needs to be pointed out to noobs

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/jakefell/wiip.jpg

As you can see there is no join between A and B, if you follow the blue line to C which is a key point to the instalation of the chip, you will see that trace never reaches the the point from the chip. This means all data that would reach the chip nulling out codes or whatever allowing it to accept burnt media, as it doesnt reach it the wii it is currently un moddable. Unless you grind the plastic away to reveal enough metal to solder onto.