Metal Gear Solid 4 On 360 [Archive]

blade47167

05-22-2007, 04:55 PM

he later took that statement back and said that the 360 could do everything the PS3 could for mgs4.

NO he did not. You clearly didn't listen to the podcast. It was someone else from the developing team and they didn't even say that much. They said that it is being developed on the PS3 and even if they were developing for the 360 it wouldn't affect the PS3 looking the best it could be. He never took it back get your facts straight.

And I'm glad MS puts money in your pockets to post this stupid sh*t on your site to help put fuel in the fire. F*ck maxconsole and its MS funded FUD. I'm out.

Innes

05-22-2007, 04:57 PM

this is worse news for ps3 owners than it is for xbox owners getting the banhammer loloL!

Galgor

05-22-2007, 04:57 PM

I'll await official confirmation thanks.

Jarua

05-22-2007, 04:57 PM

More non-news from Maxconsole. Try changing the title of the news post to "Game journalists speculate on future Konami game".

DevilShadow

05-22-2007, 04:58 PM

OH MY GOD!!!!

The guy is just guessing, he says"i think that... it can get out for 360, but the PS3 version will absolutely have a 1 year exclusive time",

This means "CONFIRMED FOR 360" ?!?!?!?

No !!

daps83777

05-22-2007, 04:58 PM

NO he did not. You clearly didn't listen to the podcast. It was someone else from the developing team and they didn't even say that much. They said that it is being developed on the PS3 and even if they were developing for the 360 it wouldn't affect the PS3 looking the best it could be. He never took it back get your facts straight.

And I'm glad MS puts money in your pockets to post this stupid sh*t on your site to help put fuel in the fire. F*ck maxconsole and its MS funded FUD. I'm out.

you need to look at what i quoted and what i wrote.

i was talking about Hideo Kojima saying it was possible.

In a recent Web interview with Hideo Kojima, the master of all things Metal Gear Solid explained that creating Metal Gear Solid 4 is technically possible on Xbox 360.

Kojima said with the exception of nuances or small details, the power of next generation hardware (and the PC) no longer provides the technical restrictions they did before. Kojima also explained in a sideways manner why the Xbox never saw a version of Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater. He explained that he has no grudge or dislike for the Xbox or Xbox 360, but last year he and his team had their hands full with MGS3. Other Konami teams, he said, were able to get their hands on the Xbox 360 tools before him. It's his philosophy that he wants to be first, not second on the early development for a system, which is why he chose PS3.

source: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/676/676685p1.html

KPunk

05-22-2007, 05:07 PM

awesome news, i cant wait to play it on my xbox 360, now i probably have no reason to buy an xbox 360.

DevilShadow

05-22-2007, 05:14 PM

awesome news, i cant wait to play it on my xbox 360, now i probably have no reason to buy an xbox 360.

This news is FAKE !!!

It's just a guy guessing !!!!

darkstar1234

05-22-2007, 05:16 PM

awesome news, i cant wait to play it on my xbox 360, now i probably have no reason to buy an xbox 360.

good job there :rolleyes:...

Rockman_Joey

05-22-2007, 05:20 PM

No wonder, its fucking 1UP, they're clearly fanboys

Shouldnt believe this bullcrap. Wait for official announcements lol that helps lol

Source: http://kotaku.com/gaming/exclusive/konami-denies-metal-gear-solid-4-on-360-222635.php

The internet has been abuzz with rumors that Kojima Productions will bring the PlayStation 3 showcase title Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots to the Xbox 360. Despite Microsoft's Japanese woes, Kojima has called the 360 "more down to earth" and likened the console to a "great dinner, great steak with their family, a little bit more casual during the weekends." Which, I guess, is a good thing. Maybe?

So, Konami, is there any basis to the rumor that the PS3 flagship title will jump to the 360? Not so, says a company spokesperson to CVG:
Konami has no plans to bring Metal Gear Solid 4 to the Xbox 360 at this time. [It's] exclusive to PlayStation 3.

Yeah, I don't believe it either. That get-out-of-exclusivity-"at this time"-statement should worry the PS3 faithful who'd probably appreciate a more definitive statement from Kojima himself. But when they do announce MGS4 for Xbox 360, don't take it personally, kids. It's just business. Michael McWhertor

And I saw this too.

Source: http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php

"The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well. The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations, while the Wii is almost like a TV channel, because every game you have it with your family".

Pity. So, Devil May Cry 4, going multiplatform. Thoughts? Comments? "I think it's up to each project, and the individual producer", he says. "If they want to take it multiplatform, they will". I'm going somewhere with this question, and he knows exactly where that is...

"But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day.

This is a stupid thread or news even

sabata dark

05-22-2007, 06:11 PM

its a inside joke...... They've been saying that since MGS4 was first annonced ._.

stop_loading

05-22-2007, 06:18 PM

graphically, xbox 360 can do everything ps3 can, but ps3 has the advantage of blu ray

so as long as they can compress the movie (if any, mgs1 psx has some movies), compress the sound, compress the texture, keep it under 15 gig and it's possible to do on x360

Colmino

05-22-2007, 06:30 PM

A game coming out on the 360 six to twelve (or even three) months after it's already been out, with essentially no improvements or enhancements, is not going to sell well. Not even if most 360 owners still haven't played it. There's a psychological reason. Games are just not as interesting when you don't know there's a million other people all playing it at the same time.

Perhaps a moot point, but there it is.

It actually isn't beyond the realm of possibility that MGS4 may be FMV-heavy. It's already going to be 24fps at best, and I've seen moments in the available footage when that dropped to 12. The devs may choose to sweeten the deal with some cheating.

DaFireStarter

05-22-2007, 06:55 PM

NO he did not. You clearly didn't listen to the podcast. It was someone else from the developing team and they didn't even say that much. They said that it is being developed on the PS3 and even if they were developing for the 360 it wouldn't affect the PS3 looking the best it could be. He never took it back get your facts straight.

And I'm glad MS puts money in your pockets to post this stupid sh*t on your site to help put fuel in the fire. F*ck maxconsole and its MS funded FUD. I'm out.
First off I would like to say that the last time I checked the PS3 sold around 2 million consoles(don't hold me to it) where else the Xbox 360 sold 10 million consoles. They need to sell metal gear on every platform the game can sell on because it cost alot of money to develop for. It is not probably a matter of "if" but "when" they release it for the 360. With PS3's numbers they have to have on the 360. I doubt with the manufacturing price of the PS3 and the high of retail price of it that it will get a price cut this yeor nor will it ever rise above the XBOX 360; especially with the momentum it already came with.

And let me write out an equation to simplify this:

Amount of console sold = Amount of games developed for the platform

On a side note: Don't **** on Maxconsole for PS3 bad news; it's not their fault that the PS3 is a piece of ****.

Trigger_happy00

05-22-2007, 07:37 PM

Shat --------500km/h------> Fan.

blade47167

05-22-2007, 07:45 PM

First off I would like to say that the last time I checked the PS3 sold around 2 million consoles(don't hold me to it) where else the Xbox 360 sold 10 million consoles. They need to sell metal gear on every platform the game can sell on because it cost alot of money to develop for. It is not probably a matter of "if" but "when" they release it for the 360. With PS3's numbers they have to have on the 360. I doubt with the manufacturing price of the PS3 and the high of retail price of it that it will get a price cut this yeor nor will it ever rise above the XBOX 360; especially with the momentum it already came with.

And let me write out an equation to simplify this:

Amount of console sold = Amount of games developed for the platform

On a side note: Don't **** on Maxconsole for PS3 bad news; it's not their fault that the PS3 is a piece of ****.

PS3 has sold 3mil+ 360 has sold around 9.5mil. And yes it is Maxconsole pasting their own opinion. Have you looked at the link have you listened to the pod cast? It says nothing about MGS is confirmed for 360. It says "It most likely will not come at the very most it will be over a year till it will come to 360". The OP's lame ass interpretation is ridicules and this thread title should be changed. F'in MS shills that work on this site are ignorant and start FUD whenever they can. Everytime one of these podcasts come out you people take the word of the poster for what was said in it. Yet you people never listen to the podcasts. Its pure fanboyism at its worst. And don't say ya I'm a Sony fanboy blah blah f'in blah. Ya so what I prefer it but you don't see me running around spreading lies about MS. This title and this guys comment based on this podcast are totally ignorant and construed from what was said in the podcast. Perhaps thats why no "real" news site has picked it up yet eh?

xrippa

05-22-2007, 08:14 PM

multiple discs is so last gen :rolleyes:

I dont see it happening.

calvin940

05-22-2007, 08:24 PM

Anymore make-believe like this and you'll be known as minconsole.

Cal

daps83777

05-22-2007, 08:25 PM

DrivingFast3r

05-22-2007, 08:27 PM

Didn't Konami state it was only developed for PS3?

Would ya stop with the anti-PS posts you stupid MicroSoft employee!!

We know MS is posting this crap.

WeSiDe

05-22-2007, 08:27 PM

NO he did not. You clearly didn't listen to the podcast. It was someone else from the developing team and they didn't even say that much. They said that it is being developed on the PS3 and even if they were developing for the 360 it wouldn't affect the PS3 looking the best it could be. He never took it back get your facts straight.

And I'm glad MS puts money in your pockets to post this stupid sh*t on your site to help put fuel in the fire. F*ck maxconsole and its MS funded FUD. I'm out.
you need to look at what i quoted and what i wrote.

i was talking about Hideo Kojima saying it was possible.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IGN
In a recent Web interview with Hideo Kojima, the master of all things Metal Gear Solid explained that creating Metal Gear Solid 4 is technically possible on Xbox 360.

Kojima said with the exception of nuances or small details, the power of next generation hardware (and the PC) no longer provides the technical restrictions they did before. Kojima also explained in a sideways manner why the Xbox never saw a version of Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater. He explained that he has no grudge or dislike for the Xbox or Xbox 360, but last year he and his team had their hands full with MGS3. Other Konami teams, he said, were able to get their hands on the Xbox 360 tools before him. It's his philosophy that he wants to be first, not second on the early development for a system, which is why he chose PS3.

PWND.......

noonionclub

05-22-2007, 08:27 PM

I don't mind bad news about the PS3 as long as it is the truth.

When someone goes around searching for news and then spins it into a PS3 hate topic, that is wrong and it is what Maxconsole has been doing for a while.

It's tiring hearing over and over again people defending Maxconsole and saying Maxconsole just reports the news and that the PS3 sucking is the blame for it. If that isn't console prejudice or aka "fanboyism", I don't know what is.

blade47167

05-22-2007, 09:42 PM

people also need to remember that games like assasin's creed where exclusive to the PS3 and the devs said they had no intention of making them on any other platform. then later they decided to go multiplatform contradicting what they said before. devs have done things like this for a long time so there is no reason to necessarily think that just because the devs say they have no plans at this time, does it mean it is actually true.

Again I'm not against it as a possibility but the title Maxconsole has conveniently came up with is "Metal Gear Solid 4 Confirmed 360". That doesn't sound like a possibility title to me. Not to mention if you actually listen to the podcast there is nothing said that even resembles a confirmation. If anything they state reasons that it will not and state at the most it might get released up to a year later. Yet for some reason MS fed MaxConsole took it upon themselves being the world renowned journalists they are and claimed it to be non other than a direct confirmation. I wouldn't have cared if the title had been EGM discuss possibility of MGS4 on 360. This is the kinda sh*t i've been talking about for so long. How this site goes above and beyond to bash the PS3 and create FUD about it. Its ridiculous and I don't understand how all of you can't seem to pick up on this.

Just noticed he edited the title of the original article to "Metal Gear Solid 4 On 360". Still...

tommasi

05-22-2007, 09:44 PM

i dont care as long as there is no 3 red lights on my ps3 :D thats all what i care about now

3rdamention

05-22-2007, 10:19 PM

gonepostl

05-22-2007, 10:48 PM

Jen's a total hottie/cutie.
And Shane is the sh1t. He's a genius

blade47167

05-22-2007, 11:29 PM

Ok, this is what 1up and EGM do. Some companies can report about the gaming business without showing favoritism towards a specific console. Very similar to some sportscasters who can report on sports without giving you any idea to whom they support.

EGM, and 1up especially, have basically said, "The 360 Rox, Sony totally sucks, and we don't care if you disagree."

They can say all they want, but you can hear it in the 1up shows, in the magazine, in their reviews, on and on and on.

If I was a total Xbot, I am sure I would eat up everything EGM and 1up.

But thats not what happened. Listen to the podcast. They state that it probably won't come to the 360 yet Maxconsole wrote MGS4 confirmed by EGM coming to 360. Yet thats not at all what was said.

beastt

05-22-2007, 11:36 PM

But thats not what happened. Listen to the podcast. They state that it probably won't come to the 360 yet Maxconsole wrote MGS4 confirmed by EGM coming to 360. Yet thats not at all what was said.
yea exactly lol

stop_loading

05-22-2007, 11:55 PM

blade47167

05-23-2007, 12:22 AM

assasin's creed is ubisoft's, every major franchise they own is multiplatform

this is konami, huge difference. You have better chance if mgs4 were made by capcom

I never even thought about that. Kojima is very picky about sticking to his word. He usually doesn't change his mind so easily.

daps83777

05-23-2007, 12:46 AM

assasin's creed is ubisoft's, every major franchise they own is multiplatform

this is konami, huge difference. You have better chance if mgs4 were made by capcom

well kojima changed his mind about the game being able to work on the 360. not only that he said the reason he chose to put it on the PS3 first was because sony got them a dev kit before microsoft did. makes you wonder what would have happened if ms would have beat sony with the dev kit.

ubisoft does do exclusives. i haven't seen red steel on any other consoles. they have done a fair share of console exclusives on multiplatforms, including pc i believe. though you did say major franchise, though can you count a new franchise as a major one?

also mgs series has gone multiplatform before with mgs2, available on both the PS2 and xbox. and the gamecube got a remake of the first mgs on psone. but that one doesn't really count.

with smaller installed bases it only makes business sense to go multiplatform if you want good sales. and based on what i have seen from videos and what not for mgs4 it looks like it was a fairly expensive endeavor. so i would expect the game to go multiplatform so they could sell more copies. maybe not at first as with mgs2, but a possible release later on the 360. maybe even a year or so after the PS3 release.

or perhaps the delay of mgs4 is due to them wanting to work on a 360 version. we can speculate all we want i guess, but with the smaller installed base at this time or even by march of next year it would still make more sense to go multiplatform. unless of course sony is offering a ton of money to keep the game exclusive.

snipersnake

05-23-2007, 12:59 AM

Ok, this is what 1up and EGM do. Some companies can report about the gaming business without showing favoritism towards a specific console. Very similar to some sportscasters who can report on sports without giving you any idea to whom they support.

EGM, and 1up especially, have basically said, "The 360 Rox, Sony totally sucks, and we don't care if you disagree."

They can say all they want, but you can hear it in the 1up shows, in the magazine, in their reviews, on and on and on.

If I was a total Xbot, I am sure I would eat up everything EGM and 1up.

EGM was okay until shoe become the Editor In chief. there were a fine mag then, unbiased and cool. after he became editor, he pushed everybody's throat that shooting aliens, over and over again ala star ship troopers was cool..and thus began, the neo egm..now i dont buy them anymore, i just DL them :P not worth my hard earned money. too many fanboys inside.:eek:

blade47167

05-23-2007, 01:30 AM

well kojima changed his mind about the game being able to work on the 360. not only that he said the reason he chose to put it on the PS3 first was because sony got them a dev kit before microsoft did. makes you wonder what would have happened if ms would have beat sony with the dev kit.

ubisoft does do exclusives. i haven't seen red steel on any other consoles. they have done a fair share of console exclusives on multiplatforms, including pc i believe. though you did say major franchise, though can you count a new franchise as a major one?

also mgs series has gone multiplatform before with mgs2, available on both the PS2 and xbox. and the gamecube got a remake of the first mgs on psone. but that one doesn't really count.

with smaller installed bases it only makes business sense to go multiplatform if you want good sales. and based on what i have seen from videos and what not for mgs4 it looks like it was a fairly expensive endeavor. so i would expect the game to go multiplatform so they could sell more copies. maybe not at first as with mgs2, but a possible release later on the 360. maybe even a year or so after the PS3 release.

or perhaps the delay of mgs4 is due to them wanting to work on a 360 version. we can speculate all we want i guess, but with the smaller installed base at this time or even by march of next year it would still make more sense to go multiplatform. unless of course sony is offering a ton of money to keep the game exclusive.

Wrong. MGS2 was not a multiconsole release. X-box received MGS2: Substance over a year after the original release because MS paid them a ton of money and it hardly sold. Get your facts straight. I'm pretty sure also I remember Kojima saying that the PS3 is like a theater experience and thats why he chose the PS3. I still have yet to see you provide a link to this dev kit thing you keep referring to.

Red Steel blew chunks of crap. Sorry I bought it when I got my Wii and the controls are horrible. And no duh it didn't see a multi platform release. What would be the point it revolved around the Wii controller. Not to mention the production probably cost them jack squat. It looks worse than a xbox game.

And once again I retiaterate that I never said a timed exclusive wasn't the case. I was pissed that maxconsole took it upon themselves to declare MGS4 "confirmed" coming to the 360. I'm sure somewhere along the lines probably with a substance release you may receive it. The install base really isn't that big of a deal tho. The MGS2: Substance sold next to nothing on the xbox when its install base was rather large. I mean Metal Gear Solid 2 has only sold around 6mil on the PS2 with its install base. So your 5~6mil install base lead doesn't really make that much of a difference. Most everyone on the PS3 will buy the game.

And again there was never a delay. They never set a release date to begin with. So how is it a delay?

And don't be suprised if by next March the install base is significantly bigger for the PS3. And by that time "if" they haven't started developing it for the 360 they most likely won't.

Calidrifter

05-23-2007, 01:45 AM

Look, Kojima see it like this... All 3 of the metal gear solid games were on the PS and PS2, and on both systems sold incredibly well. So, logically Kojima would have to assume all the people who owned a PSone and 2 would eventually have a ps3. Already have the install base... its a obviously going to sell. j/k I don't know what the man is thinking.
I know not every 360 owner is a Metal gear fan... I remember when the first Splinter Cell came out most were saying crap like "Yeah, Eat that Sony Whores!!! we have a game that kicks the **** out of your punny Metal Gear!!! SNAKE IS DEAD!!! LONG LIVE SAMMY!!!!" basically.

Scorpion3

05-23-2007, 02:36 AM

First of all, I'd like the say the PS3 has only sold around 2 Million consoles, in reality anyway. People who say "Sony counts consoles shipped" are idiots. They count consoles sold...to stores. Last time it was truly ranked Sony sold 5.5 million consoles to stores, but only 1.88 million of them had actually been sold out of the story.

Second, BR isn't needed for MGS4, and it could be on 2 or 3 DVD9s easily. I personally do see it coming but that leads to...

Third, I'm not sure how much people on the 360 want the game. I love the MG series, not so much the MGS series though, but I have bought all the games but 3. And with Splinter Cell 5 being 360 exclusive, and everyone knows that I love SC over MGS, I don't really care if it comes to the 360.

assasin's creed is ubisoft's, every major franchise they own is multiplatform

this is konami, huge difference. You have better chance if mgs4 were made by capcom

How do you figure? What about Metal Gear making it's debut on the NES? Or Twin Snakes on the GC, MGS on the GBC, MGS2 on the Xbox even if it was released later.

DEDDOA

05-23-2007, 02:42 AM

I don't know why all the PS devotees (i won't say fanboys as I know most just have an irrational hatred of MS, like my mates missus that hates MS for making the original xbox with a dayglo disc on the top, no other reason :) )get their panties in a twist over things like this. It is pretty much common sense that a big game like MGS4 will be released on the 360. The PS3 sales will be far far behind the 360 for quite some time if current salesa re anything to go by, so it would only be in Konami best intrest to make it for the 360. As has been mentioned before, it's not a sony exclusive franchise, never was, and if anything, making it for the 360 is just bringing it back to it's roots, as in it MG started life on MS based hardware, the MSX (which is more proof that Japan is not anti US for hardware as tyhe MSX did best in japan if I recall, they just don't like the games on the 360 at the mo)

Konami are a multiplatform company, maybe not as big as the likes of Capcom, so seemingly are unable to produce multiplatform games in tandem, but they are by no means 1 format only. Most of you who think certain games are going to be exclusive because they were on the PS2, need to take a step back and look at the actuall PS2 install base compared to the competition. Developers didn't need to spend the extra money making games multi platform in the last gen because the PS2 had practically 10x the install base of the competition (maybe a bit exagerated there :D ) so they could just make games for the PS2 and still make money in less time and with less work. Now however, the PS3 is nowhere near close to the competition at this present time, so any developers making PS3 only games will be doing so at a severe loss of profit. Games have to be multiformat, 360 only or heavily subsidised to be exclusive at the present time, and I personally don't think konami would be subsidised enough by Sony to cover what they could make multiplatform with MGS4, so at best it would only be a timed exclusivity. If they were to say MGS4 was exclusive to the 360 I would be suprised, but less so that being a PS3 exlusive, and this is not format favour on my part, it's simple economics.

blade47167

05-23-2007, 03:14 AM

i posted the link on the first page but here it is again: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/676/676685p1.html

Your link says nothing about getting the development kit first. It says "It's his philosophy that he wants to be first, not second on the early development for a system, which is why he chose PS3."

Which means he chose it because he wanted to be one of the first developers for the PS3. Nothing about getting a development kit early.

mgs2 sold 7 million on ps2 i believe, according to wikipedia anyways. the third mgs game mgs3 sold 3.7 i think. and the psp mgs games aren't even in the top 20 selling games for psp. it seems that mgs is getting less popular. not everyone with a PS3 will want the game. i mean there are people that bought PS3's for blu-ray and nothing else. also not every gamer is going to like the mgs franchise. if that was the case then the mgs series would have solid 100 million copies on the PS2. j/k. but not everyone likes that genre, just like not everyone likes sports games or rpg's. everyone has a preference, and i know alot of people that don't like mgs, its just not there thing.
Hmm I dunno according to VGCharts MGS2 sold 5.6mil on the PS2. Either way 7mil isn't that many more.

First of all, I'd like the say the PS3 has only sold around 2 Million consoles, in reality anyway. People who say "Sony counts consoles shipped" are idiots. They count consoles sold...to stores. Last time it was truly ranked Sony sold 5.5 million consoles to stores, but only 1.88 million of them had actually been sold out of the story.
Can you provide a link to your PS3 sales number? VG charts says 3.3mil and they are usually pretty reliable with in ~100k units since they are recalculated based on NPD & Japan Numbers released. I know only 5.5mil have been sent to stores. Sony said that themselves but I was looking more at the 3.3mil. I"m sure the PS3 has sold more than 2million consoles.

Second, BR isn't needed for MGS4, and it could be on 2 or 3 DVD9s easily. I personally do see it coming but that leads to...
That kinda defeats the purpose of next gen but ya.

daps83777

05-23-2007, 03:44 AM

He explained that he has no grudge or dislike for the Xbox or Xbox 360, but last year he and his team had their hands full with MGS3. Other Konami teams, he said, were able to get their hands on the Xbox 360 tools before him. It's his philosophy that he wants to be first, not second on the early development for a system, which is why he chose PS3.

well he said other teams had received 360 kits (or tools as it said) but his team didn't get them first. its not a great worded article but it sounds like his team inparticular, received a PS3 dev kit first and didn't get access to the 360 even though other teams from konami did.

That kinda defeats the purpose of next gen but ya.

next gen doesn't mean media format. it doesn't matter what format something is on to make it next gen or not. though the term next gen has been blown out of proportion. people are throwing it around like crazy. to be honest nothing is next gen right now because it is current gen while the other consoles are last gen. next gen would be whats coming next. if its out it isn't next gen, its current gen.

media format means nothing. and it kinda shows that you are buying into sony's propaganda machine.

snipersnake

05-23-2007, 03:53 AM

Kojima confirms it in the latest EGM.

http://i19.tinypic.com/4qd8kxx.jpg

This I believe. Anyways, I dont belive 360 owners want the crappy MGS game anyways.. :D

ku16610

05-23-2007, 04:38 AM

Yes there all too busy buying new xboxs , being banned off live or playing the 70 + FPS games they have. Ever thought it might be easier to get a pc to play them online games for the price of the game, rather than subscription models ( which ms has craved about implementing for years now )

Xenogears V

05-23-2007, 06:38 AM

Gigantic bullsh*t, serve 2 xbox360 to make to work this game!.:p

DEDDOA

05-23-2007, 07:13 AM

Kojima confirms it in the latest EGM.

http://i19.tinypic.com/4qd8kxx.jpg

This I believe. Anyways, I dont belive 360 owners want the crappy MGS game anyways.. :D

It sounds like they are using the same clunky animations they ahve used since MGS on the PS1. I would have hoped for better but expected nothing else. I know it doesn't effect the game, but if you put all that effort into the actuall models, then at least they can give the same care tot he animation. I just really hope they don't stil use the static turn on the spot, as in the model is not animated, it just rotates around it's middle.

DEDDOA

05-23-2007, 07:15 AM

Gigantic bullsh*t, serve 2 xbox360 to make to work this game!.:p
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :D :D :D

bondbillon

05-23-2007, 07:18 AM

The release date for the P$3 has changed because it will be released for P$3 and XBOX 360 at the same time...... hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe:D :D

bondbillon

05-23-2007, 07:22 AM

http://i19.tinypic.com/4qd8kxx.jpg

Soldier to Snake:

Please.... don't shoot my a$$. Kojima says it will not be released on the XBOX 360....Is not my fault is Konami says it will generate huge $$$ if they release it on the 360... So pleaseeeee don't shoot my a$$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!! :D :D
Snakeeeeeeeee !!!!!!

blade47167

05-23-2007, 08:55 AM

media format means nothing. and it kinda shows that you are buying into sony's propaganda machine.

Hmm and you believe the propaganda that DVD-9 will be enough to fit games in a few years when games grow over 77% in size over the xbox 1's life cycle? Ya I know multi-disc games are possible they did it on the PS1. I never cared much for it tho because the cases never really fit well in my cd holder that I had at the time lol. Had Final Fantasy's and Parasite Eve in my 2 disk slots on bottom. Either way I really do think that Blu-ray will be needed at at some point. DVD-9 has and will continue to show its age. Thats just the way it is. If your fine with a multi-disc release thats fine. I'm not, but thats just me. To each his own.

daps83777

05-23-2007, 11:36 AM

Hmm and you believe the propaganda that DVD-9 will be enough to fit games in a few years when games grow over 77% in size over the xbox 1's life cycle? Ya I know multi-disc games are possible they did it on the PS1. I never cared much for it tho because the cases never really fit well in my cd holder that I had at the time lol. Had Final Fantasy's and Parasite Eve in my 2 disk slots on bottom. Either way I really do think that Blu-ray will be needed at at some point. DVD-9 has and will continue to show its age. Thats just the way it is. If your fine with a multi-disc release thats fine. I'm not, but thats just me. To each his own.

multiple discs or media formats have always been like that. i remember floppy disc games that took 14 floppy's. there where multiple disc PS2 games like star ocean for instance. thing is sony isn't allowing compression so if they did compress it would be way smaller than what we are seeing. also you have to remember dummy data in games, and i am curious as to how much there are on some of these PS3 games. they use it for security reasons. also adding dummy data and having the games uncompressed helps piracy in sony's mind i am sure. though piracy is way overblown. there is even research to prove it. in fact piracy alot of times has people that wouldn't have bought a game buy it when they wouldn't have purchased it before. while someone that has no intention of buying a game they download would never have purchased it anyways.

i am not to lazy to get up and swap discs thats just me. if mgs comes on multiple discs i doubt it will be over 2. whats funny is people use this logic games like mgs4 but all these multiplatform games that need blu-ray magiclly fit on a single dvd-9 on the 360. hmm... how weird.

rezine39

05-23-2007, 02:14 PM

the more you compress, the more it suffers in quality. Get this through your thick skull daps.

daps83777

05-23-2007, 03:19 PM

the more you compress, the more it suffers in quality. Get this through your thick skull daps.

quality can be lost but there is also forms of lossless compression. also as others have said running uncompressed requires bandwidth and alot more system power. it is a huge con. oblivion creators have talked about it, though i guess they are liars right? thats why PS3 games are trying to use duplicate data to speed things up because the blu-ray drive from what people have said can't keep up with it so they repeat some of it to fix the bandwidth problem.

lossless stuff is great, but if you think the naked eye will tell the difference on an hdtv most of the time, especially one under 50 or 60 inches you are mistaken. and why is it most of the 360 multiplatform games look better than there PS3 counterpart? considering the compression used on 360 games the PS3 should blow away every 360 game thats multiplatform out of the water, based on compression alone. so whats going on with that?

blade47167

05-23-2007, 06:03 PM

multiple discs or media formats have always been like that. i remember floppy disc games that took 14 floppy's. there where multiple disc PS2 games like star ocean for instance. thing is sony isn't allowing compression so if they did compress it would be way smaller than what we are seeing. also you have to remember dummy data in games, and i am curious as to how much there are on some of these PS3 games. they use it for security reasons. also adding dummy data and having the games uncompressed helps piracy in sony's mind i am sure. though piracy is way overblown. there is even research to prove it. in fact piracy alot of times has people that wouldn't have bought a game buy it when they wouldn't have purchased it before. while someone that has no intention of buying a game they download would never have purchased it anyways.

i am not to lazy to get up and swap discs thats just me. if mgs comes on multiple discs i doubt it will be over 2. whats funny is people use this logic games like mgs4 but all these multiplatform games that need blu-ray magiclly fit on a single dvd-9 on the 360. hmm... how weird.

What do you mean games are uncompressed on BD lol? That would be the stupidest thing ever. They are still compressed, just not as much. Its faster to receive data compressed and then uncompress it then to send uncompressed data. It just means that it can be compressed in a way that doesn't compromise quality but allows for the fastest possible transfers still.

the more you compress, the more it suffers in quality. Get this through your thick skull daps.

Not true. Have you ever heard of flac? Its lossless yet you can reduce wav files by about 10%

Also Oblivion added duplicate data for essential files. I'm sure its mostly used with quick travel and such since it can't really calculate were you will travel to next.

Scorpion3

05-23-2007, 06:04 PM

Can you provide a link to your PS3 sales number? VG charts says 3.3mil and they are usually pretty reliable with in ~100k units since they are recalculated based on NPD & Japan Numbers released. I know only 5.5mil have been sent to stores. Sony said that themselves but I was looking more at the 3.3mil. I"m sure the PS3 has sold more than 2million consoles.

That kinda defeats the purpose of next gen but ya.

A. I've said for awhile that VGChartz isn't perfect. But, despite them posting this news, they still haven't updated their chart

http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=111
http://digg.com/gaming_news/PS3_4_million_units_shipped_but_only_1_88_million_ sold
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=61712&highlight=1.88+Million

But you're right, they have, just not to consumers, to the stores. I suppose that counts for something though? My guess is that's why you see stores like GAME make up total BS to sell the PS3, because they bought a lot and are taking a loss because of it.

As for the compression theory, look at Lost Planet and tell me that compression leads to lesser quality. I think it was said to be 20GBs of Data when Uncompressed. So 60GBs of Data at least for a game like Blue Dragon, so we're talking about it easily being able to fit on 2 DVD9s with compression methods. But anyway, the multiple discs doesn't defy next gen. lol. Remember, Sony also said that "Rumble is so last gen". Yet, they're buying it to put in their new controllers.

And Bladez, you're absolutely correct about both things. BD does have compresssed data, but like you said, it's just a fraction of what the 360 can do. I believe the reason for this is because the PS3 can't uncompress a lot of data without suffering from slow load times and frame rate issues. And since the 360's CPU is a better it can uncompress without suffering at all. I wonder if that's why Multiplatform PS3 games look so bad, because the devs develop the game with compression from the get go instead of compressing at the end and when it's ported for the PS3 it still has too much compression so it's hard to get the games to play without bad frame rates, etc.

blade47167

05-23-2007, 06:09 PM

A. I've said for awhile that VGChartz isn't perfect. But, despite them posting this news, they still haven't updated their chart

http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=111
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=61712&highlight=1.88+Million

But you're right, they have, just not to consumers, to the stores. I suppose that counts for something though? My guess is that's why you see stores like GAME make up total BS to sell the PS3, because they bought a lot and are taking a loss because of it.

As for the compression theory, look at Lost Planet and tell me that compression leads to lesser quality. I think it was said to be 20GBs of Data when Uncompressed. So 60GBs of Data at least for a game like Blue Dragon, so we're talking about it easily being able to fit on 2 DVD9s with compression methods. But anyway, the multiple discs doesn't defy next gen. lol. Remember, Sony also said that "Rumble is so last gen". Yet, they're buying it to put in their new controllers.

If you read the links you posted that thread is from February before European launch bud. The only reason the ticker for PS3 sales is updating is because he used the dynamic image link which updates as the site numbers update. Again 1.88mil before Euro Launch. And it was confirmed at least 800k in Euro right? 1.88mil + 800k = 2.68mil, not to mention whats sold in Japan & US since February. So the 3.32mil sold is probably very close to accurate. Sometimes numbers will be inflated for a week but when NPD releases figures they re-adjust the scale.

The 360 CPU is not better than the PS3 is not worse at uncompressing graphics. The problem with multi-platorm games is that the engine was designed to use the 360's GPU for all its graphics. The RSX is designed to work in conjunction with the cell. The cell is capable of handling alot of the graphics calculations and together they are able to stream data which in itself is amazing. Once developers get more familiar with the PS3 and the way its SPU's work it will be a non issue. Right now tho pretty much any port is going to suffer unless they take the time to properly do it. We must wait on first party games to really show whats possible.

Scorpion3

05-23-2007, 06:21 PM

If you read the links you posted that thread is from February before European launch bud. The only reason the ticker for PS3 sales is updating is because he used the dynamic image link which updates as the site numbers update. Again 1.88mil before Euro Launch. And it was confirmed at least 800k in Euro right? 1.88mil + 800k = 2.68mil, not to mention whats sold in Japan & US since February. So the 3.32mil sold is probably very close to accurate. Sometimes numbers will be inflated for a week but when NPD releases figures they re-adjust the scale.

The 360 CPU is not better than the PS3 is not worse at uncompressing graphics. The problem with multi-platorm games is that the engine was designed to use the 360's GPU for all its graphics. The RSX is designed to work in conjunction with the cell. The cell is capable of handling alot of the graphics calculations and together they are able to stream data which in itself is amazing. Once developers get more familiar with the PS3 and the way its SPU's work it will be a non issue. Right now tho pretty much any port is going to suffer unless they take the time to properly do it. We must wait on first party games to really show whats possible.

800 thousand sold to the stores, you jumped over the part where they only count consoles sold to the stores, not to the consumers. So let's round this, 1.88 Million sold before 800,000 Sold. Since 1.88 is about half we'll just estimate. So half of 800,000 (assuming it sold half of it's shipment) would only be 2.28 Million sold, so that's still rounded down to 2 Million, and pretty shy of 5.5 million.

Typo, I meant GPU, not CPU. Either way, it still stands that my post about uncompression is that the 360 can uncompress better than the PS3 so the idea of a game like MGS4 which was stated to at most barely fit on 1 BD Single Layer disc, compressed could fit on 2 DVD9s if not just one.

daps83777

05-23-2007, 06:38 PM

What do you mean games are uncompressed on BD lol? That would be the stupidest thing ever. They are still compressed, just not as much. Its faster to receive data compressed and then uncompress it then to send uncompressed data. It just means that it can be compressed in a way that doesn't compromise quality but allows for the fastest possible transfers still.

Not true. Have you ever heard of flac? Its lossless yet you can reduce wav files by about 10%

Also Oblivion added duplicate data for essential files. I'm sure its mostly used with quick travel and such since it can't really calculate were you will travel to next.

unless what the soon to be departed president of playstation said has changed then games on PS3 aren't to be compresses and it was known on forums fairly well as people that didn't like the PS3 used the statements as sony trying to convince everyone they needed blu-ray for the space it provided.

Tempos

05-23-2007, 07:07 PM

That kinda defeats the purpose of next gen but ya.

All next generation is the next upgrade of each manufacturers console. PC gamers have been playing in 1280x720 at reasonable framerates (~720p), 32 player online matches for almost decade. If the game would fit on 2 DVD9 then it doesn't defeat the purpose of "next gen". MMORPG's easily can fit onto a DVD9 and they are the biggest game worlds ever.

Surely audio and textures wouldn't exceed 7GB anyway. Don't give us crappy compressed MPEG4 sequences, give us real time scenes rendered by the game, e.g. Rainbow Six Vegas' helicoptor scenes look incredible. But this goes against every philosophy Sony developers have previously demonstrated..