Peter Moore: "I Feel Good"

[DC RID3R]

Microsoft Executive, Peter Moore is to put it mildly, "feeling on top of the world" at the moment. After the reported losses Sony has taken during the last financial year, due to the PlayStation 3's production costs, Moore admits that he’s thoroughly enjoying himself, but is hiding his emotions well. He thinks that the PlayStation 3 is the Dreamcast re-incarnated.
We meet with Moore in a large hotel suite in San Francisco. I ask him about PlayStation 3’s troubles. It seems likely to be something he’ll enjoy talking about.

He shakes his head, almost mournfully. Obviously, he’s thoroughly enjoying himself, but he hides it well. “I’ve walked a mile in those shoes,” he says. “I’m digging up my tortured past here, but remember Dreamcast?” And there it is. PlayStation 3 is Dreamcast. How delicious is that?

“We thought we were doing right,” he recollects. “All of a sudden it didn’t pan out.” We all remember Dreamcast; a wonderful performer that the world cruelly ignored. Sega’s console launch, steered partly by Moore in the US, found favor with adherents, but found itself unable to compete with PS2. It was crushed by Sony, mercilessly.

The comparison between PS3 and Dreamcast is disingenuous for many reasons, but as far as Moore is concerned, both products are badly flawed.

Moore explains, “Howard Stringer said ‘it’s not what’s possible that’s important, it’s what’s relevant’. I think that’s probably indicative of the PS3. It was possible to build a box that had Blu-ray and Cell and HDMI and everything else, but what was relevant was maybe a $399 price point and great games. I think we can all agree, and even Sony would potentially agree, that they miscalculated the global consumer’s appetite for the experience the offered at the price point they offered it at.”

News source: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5599&Itemid=2

[{{909}}]

this man is a parasite on the gaming industry, i hate the moron.

[loliix]

I wouldn't compare PS3 to DreamCast for several reasons. To name a few, DreamCast was the first of it's generation, the cheapest of it's generation, and SEGA wasn't in the lead when DreamCast launched.

If anyone wants a SEGA reference, the most accurate comparison is with SEGA Saturn.

[lee6370]

this man is a parasite on the gaming industry, i hate the moron.

Maybe but you can't argue with what he say's, the PS3 has only sold 3 million and the 360 & Wii continue to outsell it month after month, so there seems no chance of it closing the gap.

[JimmyHACK_KH]

Maybe but you can't argue with what he say's, the PS3 has only sold 3 million and the 360 & Wii continue to outsell it month after month, so there seems no chance of it closing the gap.

actually 5.5 million... (yes console manufacturers go by shipped not sold, ALL do)

but ya this guy is just an ass though, He is the one thing i don't enjoy being related to my xbox360.... just another PR mouthpiece, and it is funny when they talk **** with personal opinions.

[whackawookie]

I wouldn't compare PS3 to DreamCast for several reasons. To name a few, DreamCast was the first of it's generation, the cheapest of it's generation, and SEGA wasn't in the lead when DreamCast launched.

If anyone wants a SEGA reference, the most accurate comparison is with SEGA Saturn.

dreamcast was its own generation in a sense it fell in between the psx and ps2 but in all respects calling a lead status holds no water because the ps2 was only sony's second system meaning they only had one system before that which lead for the first time. before that the games were ruled by nes and sega for many more years before

[shakoor_h]

this man is a parasite on the gaming industry, i hate the moron.
my thoughts exactly, i really hope PS3 beats 360, just to shut this guy up. There's no need for this crap

[weetz]

The Dreamcast was AWESOME...don't compare it to that betamax player please.

[So-Unreal]

actually 5.5 million... (yes console manufacturers go by shipped not sold, ALL do)

Nintendo never does that so it your facts right please.

[So-Unreal]

The Dreamcast was AWESOME...don't compare it to that betamax player please.I dont recall how many years the dreamcast lasted but it did really have lots of good games.

[loliix]

before that the games were ruled by nes and sega for many more years beforeThat is why I referred to SEGA Saturn as the nearest there is to PS3.

I agree it's arguable if PlayStation was or wasn't the new industry leader given the legacy of SEGA and Nintendo, but I think no one doubts it was on the verge and somewhat superior (in games library and sales) to the nearest rivals. I doubt anyone could say the same about GameCube or XBOX.

If anything, Peter Moore showed he learned from his mistakes in the creation of DreamCast and managed to break away from the early thoughts of XBOX360 being the next DreamCast.. and what a way to do that. ;)

[Retroboy]

this guy is a complete Jack Ass, we all know why Sega failed, one due to a chip being used aparently and they got sued for.

And also when the PS2 came out the DC could keep up, as the DC was getting lame games and ported PSX games.

If i was Moore, id start focusing on his own console before slating others, dont you think its more important to start making 360 consoles that dont die:p LOL even the new 360 is having the same problem.

He is just a T1T.

Sure the PS3 will be a long ride to become #1 due to its price, but the system isnt built for a console life, its built to go further, just like the PS2, MS have stopped making Xbox titles, Nintendo have stoped GC titles, and sony have still been making few games even tho the PS3 was Nigh, they didnt limit a title and port it to the PS3 like nintendo had.

[heman110]

According to nextgenwars(more or less accurate)
sold consoles

360 10,736,454
PS3 3,081,552
Wii 7,062,004

maybe someone knows a better source?

[heman110]

If i was Moore, id start focusing on his own console before slating others, dont you think its more important to start making 360 consoles that dont die:p LOL even the new 360 is having the same problem.

They took that from the PS2(wearing laser) and cut the lifespan in half. So they can sell more 360 in lesser time ;)

They should really look for it mine did not die yet but i guess its a matter to time

[arnold101]

don't touch SEGA :mad:

[whackawookie]

the dreamcast had the greatest library of games. hell it had house of the dead, crazy taxi, jet set radio, soul calibur, san francisco rush 2049, resident evil code name veronica, power stone, shenmue, and virtua tennis. lets face it regardless of how long it ran it had one of the best libraries

[JimmyHACK_KH]

According to nextgenwars(more or less accurate)
sold consoles

360 10,736,454
PS3 3,081,552
Wii 7,062,004

maybe someone knows a better source?

nextgenwars is based off of no reports, its just an automatic flash counter...

[antron]

Wait 5 years, when the PS3 has thousands of games, and you are thinking about shelling out for an Xbox 3 because the 360 doesn't have enough cores.

[blade47167]

According to nextgenwars(more or less accurate)
sold consoles

360 10,736,454
PS3 3,081,552
Wii 7,062,004

maybe someone knows a better source?

Ya those numbers are way off. Vgcharts.org is actually accurate. As far as I see it its selling just as well as the Wii. Its sold half the machine for double the price. Honestly I really wish people would wait till the end of the year to see whats going to happen.

[Mastershredder]

Prick or not, he's a damn good speaker. I was very impressed how he delivered during E3. While some PR people were pausing, saying "um" 50 times, and stuttering, he kept his **** together and seemed to know exactly what he wanted to say without a hitch.

[Xenontc]

Phil Harrison is much more of an arrogant prick than this guy is, and besides, Dreamcast owned.

[rbranma]

this man is a parasite on the gaming industry, i hate the moron.
HAHAHA! Oh man, I laughed nice. Yea, that doode is a retarded one.

[Sinar]

Dreamcast rocked it was the communications between sega of japan and other regions that was their downfall, They couldn't even agree a technology standard.
Dreamcast/Naomi was and is a much better platform for games than ps3 is at the current time so DON'T GO THERE PETE!!!

Sony management is nothing like sega. For a start sega got a respectable worldwide sales number and decent titles near launch.

Look at yourself ms, even your own users are ashamed of what you try and push. Paper thin fault ridden motherboards, bad clamps, 3 rings of death (never a higher console failure rate). Exploding power supplies and a lack of any originality that sega had. Lets not forget your last gen console only sold 10k units in japan and your still behind in that market. Your even charging £5 for mappacks that pc gamers could create or download for free and near £40 a year for multiplayer gaming.

Don't insult sega pete, your popularity and place on top is deeply threatened, your just lucky ps3 bombed itself without your help.

[Nemo29]

DREAMCAST FTW! anyway :D its a stupid comparison hes made, as they have very little in commen.

[*StoneCold*]

Maybe but you can't argue with what he say's, the PS3 has only sold 3 million and the 360 & Wii continue to outsell it month after month, so there seems no chance of it closing the gap.

Dont EVER put the 360 and wii sales together again as its an insult to Nintendo who is whooping the holy hell out of the 360 right now.

I dont think people relise this but the current worldwide sales of the 360 and PS3 are quite even and it now looks like the PS3 is pulling ahead as the 360's sales has DIED! They are going at a snails paces and the consoles are not selling ANYWHERE but America, well America is not going to keep the 360 alive! They need to get working in europe again which has basically stopped buying 360's.

Yes sony annouced that they have made losses but thats going to continue as they are losing money everytime they sell a console and everyone knows that. Hell the 360 is losing money too.

The fact remains that the PS3 and 360 are currently selling closly at the minute infact i believe the PS3 has been outselling the 360 the past 2 months as NO-ONE is buying the crap the MS is offering!

He says that the PS3 is the next dreamcast? well he needs to ask himself WHY no-one is buying the 360 anymore? It looks like the 360 is the next dreamcast lol, remember the dreamcast sold 13 million consoles, it looks like the 360 is gonna find it hard to reach that as they have sold 9.64 million so far! LMFAO! LOSERS!

[Xenogears V]

But what bullsh*t!. Different epoch, different games, "house" different. It is not comparable!.

[Inferno_20]

This guy needs to shut up already. PS3 is no where close to the legendary Dreamcast.

Dreamcast had the best games, was way ahead of its time and considered my many the best console to date.

Only failed because Sega was in financial probs and idiots bought into the PS2 hype.

[Red Striker]

PS3 = Dreamcast ?
Dream on baby , its disgracing the whole industry just saying that.

[unwanted]

most people I have spoken to are on their 3rd to 6th replacement 360 (are those included in sold or shipped figures?) - which in my opinion dosnt make a winning games console...

if Sony get some MORE games out, and get the console price closer to £300 GBP then it will start to sell...

[kcvfr400]

Peter Moore should really look at his own problems before going on about others as I feel by mainly going for the previously pc gamer types and teenage boys with the xbox and xbox 360 with all the fps's and general gta type games that the 360 has not got alot of growth left in console numbers unless more kids games and variety comes to the 360. Perhaps he needs to look what the competition is doing to bring in new gamers of all ages like sony did with eyetoy and buzz and singstar and nintendo are with the wii controls rather than bad mouthing the competition.

[KuCo87]

haha, look at the photo ^^

nothing more to add.

Xbox360 = N64

My opionion. Stupid statements ftw.

[KainXS]

i hope the 360 does fail and become another dreamcast because then microsoft will relenquish its rights from the console then its gonna be the perfect thing to mod and hack on
i mean right after dreamcast went down and sega did this, the mods just pored in

but i liked the dreamcast more than the 360, mainly because out of all the systems released so far it was really the only one with all these strange games, it was pretty innovative

[cliffyboro]

Does anyone think the 360 has sold so many because of the firmware hack? Quoting Wikipedia, when the boot disc was released to play backups, over 100,000 Dreamcasts were sold within a couple of months.

Also, you can't really compare the total amount of 360's sold to the amount of PS3's sold because of the time the 360 was available before the PS3 was released.

In the end, I think the PS3 will gain a lot of ground over the 360 and be the true next gen winner.

[csmon]

And also when the PS2 came out the DC could keep up, as the DC was getting lame games and ported PSX games.

.

Um.... this is what is happening to PS3 now

[lee6370]

Dont EVER put the 360 and wii sales together again as its an insult to Nintendo who is whooping the holy hell out of the 360 right now.

I dont think people relise this but the current worldwide sales of the 360 and PS3 are quite even and it now looks like the PS3 is pulling ahead as the 360's sales has DIED! They are going at a snails paces and the consoles are not selling ANYWHERE but America, well America is not going to keep the 360 alive! They need to get working in europe again which has basically stopped buying 360's.

Yes sony annouced that they have made losses but thats going to continue as they are losing money everytime they sell a console and everyone knows that. Hell the 360 is losing money too.

The fact remains that the PS3 and 360 are currently selling closly at the minute infact i believe the PS3 has been outselling the 360 the past 2 months as NO-ONE is buying the crap the MS is offering!

He says that the PS3 is the next dreamcast? well he needs to ask himself WHY no-one is buying the 360 anymore? It looks like the 360 is the next dreamcast lol, remember the dreamcast sold 13 million consoles, it looks like the 360 is gonna find it hard to reach that as they have sold 9.64 million so far! LMFAO! LOSERS!

If you want to provide a link to back up your 'facts' i'll be the first to say i'm wrong

[Wakutan]

PS3 =/= Dreamcast moron.

Something tells me he's the reincarnation of a serial killer.

Look at his pokerface..the smile..brrrr.

[picopir8]

If I were Sega, I would pull all games for the 360 for such comments!

As for the previous guy who was asking for some proof about what the guy said about stagnating 360 sales. The title of this article says it all "Week recap: PS3 No. 5; Wii No. 1; Xbox 360 neutral".
http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=4177

Wii's are still hard to find and they continue to dominate amazon and ebay sales. While the 360 is not in bad shape at all, it not doing anywhere near as well as the Wii.

[taiki]

Anyone want to remind peter moore that his own division within Microsoft is BLEEDING MONEY?!

It's not like they have any vision. I mean, when you're more short sighted than Seamus Blackley...

[Mastershredder]

Dont EVER put the 360 and wii sales together again as its an insult to Nintendo who is whooping the holy hell out of the 360 right now.

I dont think people relise this but the current worldwide sales of the 360 and PS3 are quite even and it now looks like the PS3 is pulling ahead as the 360's sales has DIED! They are going at a snails paces and the consoles are not selling ANYWHERE but America, well America is not going to keep the 360 alive! They need to get working in europe again which has basically stopped buying 360's.

Yes sony annouced that they have made losses but thats going to continue as they are losing money everytime they sell a console and everyone knows that. Hell the 360 is losing money too.

The fact remains that the PS3 and 360 are currently selling closly at the minute infact i believe the PS3 has been outselling the 360 the past 2 months as NO-ONE is buying the crap the MS is offering!

He says that the PS3 is the next dreamcast? well he needs to ask himself WHY no-one is buying the 360 anymore? It looks like the 360 is the next dreamcast lol, remember the dreamcast sold 13 million consoles, it looks like the 360 is gonna find it hard to reach that as they have sold 9.64 million so far! LMFAO! LOSERS!

Is this happening in bizarro world? Cause pretty much everything you just said is BS. Supply and demand are driving wii sales right now. When the wii is in stock everywhere, the sales will calm down.. just like EVERY other console. When people can't get something, they want it even more.

[hacktek]

Is this happening in bizarro world? Cause pretty much everything you just said is BS. Supply and demand are driving wii sales right now. When the wii is in stock everywhere, the sales will calm down.. just like EVERY other console. When people can't get something, they want it even more.


Basic economics

[whackawookie]

Is this happening in bizarro world? Cause pretty much everything you just said is BS. Supply and demand are driving wii sales right now. When the wii is in stock everywhere, the sales will calm down.. just like EVERY other console. When people can't get something, they want it even more.

complete bs about the sales so dont worry about it. the only market the ps3 beat the 360 in was japan and thats not even a landslide. all the other countries the 360 is winning meaning based on that alone theres no possible way the sales are remotely near close between the ps3 and 360 hell the 360 is still in the lead over the wii (which is no surprise that the wii will soon surpass)
http://vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=305

[KainXS]

a really fucked up thing is that the cell server platform(not ps3) has a base of 4mb l2 cache, which really shows you how much sony was aimed at well

money

complete bs about the sales so dont worry about it. the only market the ps3 beat the 360 in was japan and thats not even a landslide. all the other countries the 360 is winning meaning based on that alone theres no possible way the sales are remotely near close between the ps3 and 360 hell the 360 is still in the lead over the wii (which is no surprise that the wii will soon surpass)
http://vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=305


actually the ps3 is doing pretty good as far as sales go, the 360 has a major lead still but was released a year+ earlier so you can't really look at it in that fashion without taking both of their active lifespans into context and doing a little math, thats why all the analysts say the ps3 is gonna win this console war

the wii is in a whole different league though, i can buy 2 wii's instead of a 360 and 3 wii's instead of a ps3
i have a wii and its sitting in my cabinet

by the way, does it even matter who wins

no

[kneehighspy]

well just got to say that i still have my dreamcast, bought it on launch day and i loved it. and when the boot disc came out, i loved it more, and when the self booting games hit, it was awesome. i still have over 300 games for my dreamcast.

i'm not knocking the ps3 since i do have one, i'm not stating my 360 is better than my ps3 or wii, but the one with the most play is of course the 360, only due to their actually being games out for it.

i've pondered selling my ps3 since i don't use it for anything other than a dvd player and i'm not updating the firmware (i'm still at 1.54) just for a poor online experience. i'm gonna hang onto my ps3 cause i'm hoping some great games will come out for it that aren't available for the 360 (or a hack, whatever comes first). i know the ps3 has potential, so i'm gonna wait it out, and if all else fails, there is still plenty of room left in my 'closet of classic and deceased gaming consoles' for it. it'll join the other 25 or more consoles i have in there.

[*StoneCold*]

complete bs about the sales so dont worry about it. the only market the ps3 beat the 360 in was japan and thats not even a landslide. all the other countries the 360 is winning meaning based on that alone theres no possible way the sales are remotely near close between the ps3 and 360 hell the 360 is still in the lead over the wii (which is no surprise that the wii will soon surpass)
http://vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=305

Was waiting for someone like you to jump in dude, the 360 is NOT doing better than the PS3 in europe, hate to bust your bubble on that one.

Yes the 360 is whooping the hell out of the PS3 in America, but in europe and asia the PS3 is kicking the 360's teeth in.

What i want you to do right now buddy is admit that the 360s sales have slowed to a snails pace!! It is a fact and even MS has stated that they have dropped alot so do the right thing now and admit it.

[amptor]

I wouldn't compare PS3 to DreamCast for several reasons. To name a few, DreamCast was the first of it's generation, the cheapest of it's generation, and SEGA wasn't in the lead when DreamCast launched.

If anyone wants a SEGA reference, the most accurate comparison is with SEGA Saturn.


I'd agree. It's also Sega's fault because they stopped supporting the console early and let that be known, so all developers backed out and there was basically nothing left to publish. Had sega kept manufacturing and just stuck to their guns, more good games would've come about. I don't entirely believe that piracy killed this system, I was just thinking the other day about how sure there is piracy out there, but most people want to buy games legit and not everyone is tech savvy and can find the stuff very easily. What killed the dreamcast was Sega.

Also how can one compare a PS3 to the Dreamcast, this is a whole different ball game. The dreamcast was $50 when it died, the PS3 is like $599. Isn't that a big difference in price? I like how Sony sticks to their guns and tells their customers that they won't lower the price and upsets people and they just go out and buy underpowered wii systems. Smooth move Sony, you know how to win lol.

[ku16610]

Lmao , yeah ms know all about loosing money on consoles

[*StoneCold*]

Is this happening in bizarro world? Cause pretty much everything you just said is BS. Supply and demand are driving wii sales right now. When the wii is in stock everywhere, the sales will calm down.. just like EVERY other console. When people can't get something, they want it even more.

OK, so lets recap, you said basically everything i said was BS?? The wii is beating the holy f*cking hell completely out of the 360 right now, and pissing on top of it, so thats bs is it? Look at the charts that get released simple!

As for the PS3 and 360 sales, well they ARE infact neck and neck!

In America the 360 is winning big time against the PS3 but in europe and asia etc the PS3 is beating the 360, so the sales each month for these 2 consoles are close but if you check out vgcharts every week/month you will see that the PS3 is pulling closer but at a very slow rate against the 360.

The 360 has 6 million more consoles out there than the PS3 so it would take forever for the PS3 to catch the 360 at this rate, as for the wii it will probably take them 2 months LMAO!

The 360 has been out over a year longer than the wii and the wii is 2.5 million consoles behind them, talking about kicking someones teeth in!!!

They are all true and if anyone will look at weekly/monthly charts will see that its true.

The 360 maybe kicking the PS3's ass in America but the wii is kicking the 360's ass in America lol

[*StoneCold*]

Just thought i would put the charts for America and japan here just to get a rough idea of things.

America:

February 2007
DS = 485,000
Wii = 335,000
PS2 = 295,000
360 = 228,000
PSP = 176,000
GBA = 136,000
PS3 = 127,000
GCN = 24,000

The 360 outsells the PS3 by 101,000, not bad ;)

Japan:

February 2007
NDS - 586,000
Wii - 279,000
PSP - 233,000
PS3 - 107,000
PS2 - 63,000
360 - 18,000
GBA - 7,300
GCN - 1,400

The PS3 is out selling the 360 by 89,000 also not to bad so that put ths 360 ahead by a small 12,000 in feb.

America:

March 2007
DS = 508,000
PS2 = 280,000
Wii = 259,000
360 = 199,000
PSP = 180,000
GBA = 148,000
PS3 = 130,000
GCN = 22,000

The 360 outsells the PS3 by 69,000, once again pretty ok.

Japan:

March 2007
NDS - 552,000
Wii - 291,000
PSP - 212,000
PS3 - 106,000
PS2 - 77,000
360 - 17,000
GBA - 6,800
GCN - 1,300

Once again the PS3 outsells the 360 by 89,000 consoles, pretty ok again.

Overall in them 2 months alone the 360 sold - 462,000 consoles in them 2 territorys.

Overall in them 2 months alone the PS3 sold - 470,000 consoles in them 2 territorys.

In europe the PS3 is outselling the 360, it has always outsold the 360 there.

So there you have it, the PS3 is SLIGHTLY outselling the 360, but is still outselling it non the less, incase anyone here want to know...

Overall in the 2 months alone the wii sold - 1,164,000, over 1 million and lets not forget that the wii is also outselling these 2 in europe.

[Mastershredder]

Just thought i would put the charts for America and japan here just to get a rough idea of things.

America:

February 2007
DS = 485,000
Wii = 335,000
PS2 = 295,000
360 = 228,000
PSP = 176,000
GBA = 136,000
PS3 = 127,000
GCN = 24,000

The 360 outsells the PS3 by 101,000, not bad ;)

Japan:

February 2007
NDS - 586,000
Wii - 279,000
PSP - 233,000
PS3 - 107,000
PS2 - 63,000
360 - 18,000
GBA - 7,300
GCN - 1,400

The PS3 is out selling the 360 by 89,000 also not to bad so that put ths 360 ahead by a small 12,000 in feb.

America:

March 2007
DS = 508,000
PS2 = 280,000
Wii = 259,000
360 = 199,000
PSP = 180,000
GBA = 148,000
PS3 = 130,000
GCN = 22,000

The 360 outsells the PS3 by 69,000, once again pretty ok.

Japan:

March 2007
NDS - 552,000
Wii - 291,000
PSP - 212,000
PS3 - 106,000
PS2 - 77,000
360 - 17,000
GBA - 6,800
GCN - 1,300

Once again the PS3 outsells the 360 by 89,000 consoles, pretty ok again.

Overall in them 2 months alone the 360 sold - 462,000 consoles in them 2 territorys.

Overall in them 2 months alone the PS3 sold - 470,000 consoles in them 2 territorys.

In europe the PS3 is outselling the 360, it has always outsold the 360 there.

So there you have it, the PS3 is SLIGHTLY outselling the 360, but is still outselling it non the less, incase anyone here want to know...

Overall in the 2 months alone the wii sold - 1,164,000, over 1 million and lets not forget that the wii is also outselling these 2 in europe.

You still need to keep in mind how new the PS3 is to Europe. The 360 launched in the US, Japan, and Europe very close together. The PS3 came out in March; 2 months ago. Of course it's going to sell more than the 360!

BTW, i'm not biased on any of the consoles; I just don't agree with all these comments on how the 360 is doing shitty and isn't selling anything. Nintendo wii is doing great, but it's going to slow down when demand is met. I really hope they have some great games lined up soon because i'm getting kinda bored with my wii now :(.

[elko]

Its just a Question of Games and Price, just wait Xmas and sales 2008. I belive it will not be "XBOX360"-time. :p

[Adopted]

I thought you needed Good games to be like the Dreamcast...

I find this comparsion very insulting.

[picopir8]

One thing worth mentioning is that BOTH the xbox 360 and PS3 are now available in India and Nintendo has yet to launch the Wii there. India is a huge market and once Nintendo launches there, its game over for M$ and Sony. Right now the 360 and PS3 are the only options for people in that country (unless someone is lucky enough to score one one the gray market). So M$ and Sony are seeing better numbers there which are helping their worldwide sales numbers. Once the Wii launches there, many of those sales will dry up and Wii sales will go up even further.

Personally I have no clue why Nintendo is holding off the launch, perhaps its because they just dont have enough units to ship there and still meet the demand in other areas of the world.

[Nemo29]

while you guys blab on about ps3 and 360 sales, just thought id say both are in a games slump at moment so its not exactly a surprise, starting summer is when big 360 games are going to start coming out and i mean there are quite alot coming out summer on to christmas. ps3 i would suspect will be the same maybe less so but its not been out so long. neither are that attractice in uk at the moment, 360 is waiting on games boost (small price drop would help make wii look less cheap, thought they would of done this at wii launch tbh) and ps3 is desperate for price drop and i cant understand why its still not come as all the time its this price they are dropping behind in marketshare, the average gamer plain cant afford that much, so its not going to miracuously change. wii well all the casual gamers cant get enough of wii tennis, the hype machine rolls on.

[whackawookie]

anybody else catch stonecold saying in his numbers the ps3 outsells the 360 like it always has yet there are no numbers just him saying so nevermind the fact its only been out in the uk for what 3 months :/

[Raist3d]

Was waiting for someone like you to jump in dude, the 360 is NOT doing better than the PS3 in europe, hate to bust your bubble on that one.

Yes the 360 is whooping the hell out of the PS3 in America, but in europe and asia the PS3 is kicking the 360's teeth in.


The PS3 is outselling 360 in Europe *and* Japan. Only in US the 360 is outselling the PS3 (though I am not sure in Latin America, I think the 360 is also outselling the PS3 there tooo).


What i want you to do right now buddy is admit that the 360s sales have slowed to a snails pace!! It is a fact and even MS has stated that they have dropped alot so do the right thing now and admit it.

Yes, the 360 sales have been stalling lately, and Microsoft has admitted as such. I think they are going to pick up again when Mass Effect, Bio Shock, etc. come out... perhaps.

- Raist

[cory149]

anybody else catch stonecold saying in his numbers the ps3 outsells the 360 like it always has yet there are no numbers just him saying so nevermind the fact its only been out in the uk for what 3 months :/
Ayup... I say give it a couple years, once the market is saturated then go back and look for excuses to pick a "winner". One could easily time-slice sales to day-to-day and pick a "winner" in sales every day... but what really matters in the end is which one is still on shelves (and in homes) years down the road, and which one is still producing decent titles for retail sales (last I heard it is the software attachment rate which actually generates revenues for these companies).

Currently it looks like 360 will be, as people who invest in a 360 game library will still need replacements when theirs goes nuclear :rolleyes: dirty way of generating sales if you ask me (a cheap shot in return for the cheap shot on dreamcast).

[Robotron]

This coming from the man who made the Dreamcast look stupid.
I loved my Dreamcast, but I hated Moore. Always saying stupid things and making lame promises when he was with Sega.
Go away Peter you irritate me.

[lee6370]

Just thought i would put the charts for America and japan here just to get a rough idea of things.

America:

February 2007
DS = 485,000
Wii = 335,000
PS2 = 295,000
360 = 228,000
PSP = 176,000
GBA = 136,000
PS3 = 127,000
GCN = 24,000

The 360 outsells the PS3 by 101,000, not bad ;)

Japan:

February 2007
NDS - 586,000
Wii - 279,000
PSP - 233,000
PS3 - 107,000
PS2 - 63,000
360 - 18,000
GBA - 7,300
GCN - 1,400

The PS3 is out selling the 360 by 89,000 also not to bad so that put ths 360 ahead by a small 12,000 in feb.

America:

March 2007
DS = 508,000
PS2 = 280,000
Wii = 259,000
360 = 199,000
PSP = 180,000
GBA = 148,000
PS3 = 130,000
GCN = 22,000

The 360 outsells the PS3 by 69,000, once again pretty ok.

Japan:

March 2007
NDS - 552,000
Wii - 291,000
PSP - 212,000
PS3 - 106,000
PS2 - 77,000
360 - 17,000
GBA - 6,800
GCN - 1,300

Once again the PS3 outsells the 360 by 89,000 consoles, pretty ok again.

Overall in them 2 months alone the 360 sold - 462,000 consoles in them 2 territorys.

Overall in them 2 months alone the PS3 sold - 470,000 consoles in them 2 territorys.

In europe the PS3 is outselling the 360, it has always outsold the 360 there.

So there you have it, the PS3 is SLIGHTLY outselling the 360, but is still outselling it non the less, incase anyone here want to know...

Overall in the 2 months alone the wii sold - 1,164,000, over 1 million and lets not forget that the wii is also outselling these 2 in europe.

If i was MS i'd be very happy with these figures, what they say are a year old console is competing with a brand new console.

To be honest i would have expected to see very high PS3 sales, compared to the 360, the PS3 sales are only going to level out, and possible dip.

If your figures are correct (and i have no reason to doubt them) then it means at current rates the PS3 will overtake the 360 in total units sold some time in 2014, excellent job.

[daps83777]

wasn't this the guy that was in charge of most of the dreamcast stuff back then? i guess he would know, he went through this kind of thing with sega lol.

[SteveNZ]

The fact remains that the PS3 and 360 are currently selling closly at the minute infact i believe the PS3 has been outselling the 360 the past 2 months as NO-ONE is buying the crap the MS is offering!

What's your source? Or are you just guessing?

[whackawookie]

What's your source? Or are you just guessing?

guessing. the ps3 had a groundbreaking uk launch theres no disputing that but then theres no disputing the fact that sales dropped 80% a week later and have had no reports of it ever rising again.

[sjkhounk]

Everone that's praising the dreamcast forgets that Peter Moore headed that system. That's why he made that statement. He's familiar with it.

[xrippa]

If anything the 360 is more like the Dreamcast... lol


http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154

old article, but still a good read.

[grd94533]

To all the PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii owners out there. Can we all just get along? I thinks all three consoles are great and each have there own ups and downs. Let's stop arguing about which is better and which is selling the most and just enjoy them!

[NSTar]

Qestions.


What will happen to all the PS3's sitting in retail? Who will reimburse them if it's not sold? Imagine if PS3 stops selling...why they have to dump it in the landfill?

I suggest sony donate it to science. Tax write off.

[loliix]

What's your source? Or are you just guessing?The sky should be falling if a brand new console that just arrived to the territory didn't outsell a console that was on the shelfs for over one year..

There isn't any real data available ATM regarding sales, but bear in mind the PS3 is only selling in Europe from the last days of March. If it didn't outsell XBOX360 during those days up until April Sony could just pack their bags and put their feet on the way..

Though I may had PS3 didn't sell anything near "well" or "acceptable" in my country.. You can frequently see 5+ PS3 gathering dust in smaller store floors, and 10+ PS3 on "MegaStores". In fact MegaStores no longer use the empty cardboxes Sony provides them for advertising, they have so much stock they use the real deal [you can see by the seals in the box and weight] and put nearby a sign saying "Only one unit per costumer".. The small dust over those boxes tell a different success story..

Yet I would be lying if I said XBOX360 is moving like hotcakes now.. It isn't. After a surprisingly well holiday season, the few units available on the topper shells are usually covered in a dark coating of dust on the top of the box.. Most stores choose not to pile them on the store floor now.

Nintendo Wii is also easy to find, though I can see the stock is moving better than XBOX360 and PS3. But it's not the madness for Wii like in other countries.

Portugal awaits a price drop for PS3. The media here is highly biased towards Sony, PS3 and BluRay, so the consumers look forward to PS3.. but €599 is way to expensive for the average portuguese.

[harryisme]

Well that's a complete moronic comparison, if anything the PS3 is more like the Sega Saturn, too expensive, hard to program for, too bulky etc.

I've heard more people compare the 360 to the DC than anything, and it was one of the reasons why I brought the 360 in the first place. Lets see both have risc processors inside, PC Graphiics chip inside that would not be available for the PC market for another year or so (Both Graphic Chips manufacturers strugling to compete with the big Dog). Both made use of Current Generation Drives (DVD was at time of launch very much next gen and expensive) Similar looking controls for both. Both using Internet Gaming as a major selling point...Both consoles launched a year before the competition, Both launched at a reasonable price for what you were getting, (£150 for DC was a bargain)and both the same colour.

You know it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the 360 is exactly what SEGA's next console would be like if the DC was the success it deserved to be. Some of the best games I ever played were on the Dreamcast.

[jerzmob]

Peter Moore IS the reason why Dreamcast flopped

we Sega nerds/fans know about this already...which is why DC RID3R's comment to this situation is very obvious that he does not also agree with this man.

Microsoft Executive, Peter Moore is to put it mildly, "feeling on top of the world" at the moment. After the reported losses Sony has taken during the last financial year, due to the PlayStation 3's production costs, Moore admits that he’s thoroughly enjoying himself, but is hiding his emotions well. He thinks that the PlayStation 3 is the Dreamcast re-incarnated.


News source: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5599&Itemid=2

[KingPepper]

They must Feel Threatened to be releasing a New Version of XBOX360, Don't you Think :D
You don't see sony Releasing a new ELITE Version of PS3, Because its Powerful & Good Enough to Take on Microsoft Anyday, thats Why!!!! :p
In a Years Time when there are alot more Games Out for PS3, & the Price Comes Down which it Will, there will be a HUGE increase in Sales as has Happened with the PSP In England, they cut the Price By £20 & Sales have Shot up by 50%, that will also Happen to the PS3,Imagine Cut it by £100, People are waiting for a Price Cut on it, You wait & See, & Remember Sony make alot More Money for Each PS3 Sold £424 at the Moment to £279 of the 360, Sony may not sell as Many Consoles, But they will Make more Money in the End, Think About it........:eek:

And Yes i Do Own a XBOX360 Myself, so are NOT a Fanboy :p

[lee6370]

Remember Sony make alot More Money for Each PS3 Sold £424 at the Moment to £279 of the 360, Sony may not sell as Many Consoles, But they will Make more Money in the End, Think About it........:eek:

Sony don't make more money because they charge more, they charge more because the console costs more to make, why do you think there gaming divisions profits took such a hit.

[LeGioN1202]

Funny how PS3 is the new DreamCast, meanwhile PS3 sold 1/3 the amount of 360's in about 1/3 of the time.... wouldn't this technically make the 360 another Dreamcast as well? If he would also open his god damn eyes, he would realize that outside America his console is outsold by the PS3 1:3 and outsold by the Wii about 6:1, yet he had the nerve to bash both... so what does this say about the 360?

This guy clearly talks out of his ass.

guessing. the ps3 had a groundbreaking uk launch theres no disputing that but then theres no disputing the fact that sales dropped 80% a week later and have had no reports of it ever rising again.

In the same sense, 360 had a good start, but since the introduction of the PS3 and Wii, it's sales have had a massive overall sales drop. The 80% drop was also justified... tell me how the hell you sell 165,000 consoles again in week 2 when you only had 55,000 available for that 2nd week... it is a GUARANTEED sales drop...

Please people, use some common sense before posting trash.


Global sales (meaning sales to the enduser, not sales to stores... which MS LOVES to use)

XBox360 - 6,552,840
Wii - 5,302,932
PS3 - 2,351,229

Changes alot now doesn't it???

[OblivionX]

i find it funny though that it costs more to make because there idiots and not because the parts are any better. You pay extra for blu ray and cell. Blu ray aint bad now some better codecs are coming out for it, although some old blu ray units aint liking it. The ps3 however cant output a good blu ray signal if it tried, so bloody washed out. Also its costing them way to much and holding back game development and also is a pain in the arse. Installing games on a console? have they gone mad?

Cell is a overhyped glorified video decoding/encoding processor. It was designed all along for decoding and encoding HD video and audio streams. It wasnt designed for games. And it shows, games on the ps3 lag at 30fps with the same games on 360 cruising at 60.

This isnt helped either by the rsx problems with AA and AF giving big hits to framerates at 1080p. Again 360 cruising along with its edram taking off the AA hit. Not to mention the sheer amount of extra things the 360 gpu can do. People go oh the ps3 has cell and once the potential is relized it will be amazing....crap.

The 360 has way more to give with its gpu. Let me ask you this has any game to date used these features.

16 Vertex Vetch Units with "programmable tessellation"
Geomtry Shaders

Answer....no.

Both are masssive you wouldnt believe what you can do with those things. The first one was designed for the xbox 360 and ati now use it in thier new range of cards. To give you an idea of just what this means.

"From the Xbox 360 GPU, a programmable tessellation unit makes its way to the HD 2900 XT which allows for geometry data compression that is a lot faster than CPU-based or geometry shader-based tessellation. Basically, this technology applies a sub-division rule to a polygon mesh amplifying animation data/morph targets/deformation models. This allows developers to provide data to GPU at a coarser resolution. Using a Terrain Rendering demo, AMD showed us how 840 triangles were tessellated to 1 million triangles utilizing just 93k memory on the VGA card. If such a terrain was constructed in high resolution using 1.2m triangles, the total buffer size would amount to 55MB!"

Ps3 cannot boast any such feature. In fact its cell is a standard number cruncher and its rsx is a boring dx9 card with nothing special at all.

The 360 cpu is a boring 3 core cpu, but the development kits and the gpu make the 360 by far the most powerful. You really shouldnt listen to sonys cell hype its all nonsense.

Also vgchartz is wrong and so is nextgenwars. Both are making them up. If you want to know the real figures check the NPD data urself. Wii is shifting the most by far, ps3 is shifting around 100,000 units and is dropping monthly and 360 around 150,000 going up and down depending on launched games. These are monthly US figures.

[LeGioN1202]

i find it funny though that it costs more to make because there idiots and not because the parts are any better. You pay extra for blu ray and cell. Blu ray aint bad now some better codecs are coming out for it, although some old blu ray units aint liking it. The ps3 however cant output a good blu ray signal if it tried, so bloody washed out. Also its costing them way to much and holding back game development and also is a pain in the arse. Installing games on a console? have they gone mad?

Cell is a overhyped glorified video decoding/encoding processor. It was designed all along for decoding and encoding HD video and audio streams. It wasnt designed for games. And it shows, games on the ps3 lag at 30fps with the same games on 360 cruising at 60.

This isnt helped either by the rsx problems with AA and AF giving big hits to framerates at 1080p. Again 360 cruising along with its edram taking off the AA hit. Not to mention the sheer amount of extra things the 360 gpu can do. People go oh the ps3 has cell and once the potential is relized it will be amazing....crap.

The 360 has way more to give with its gpu. Let me ask you this has any game to date used these features.

16 Vertex Vetch Units with "programmable tessellation"
Geomtry Shaders

Answer....no.

Both are masssive you wouldnt believe what you can do with those things. The first one was designed for the xbox 360 and ati now use it in thier new range of cards. To give you an idea of just what this means.

"From the Xbox 360 GPU, a programmable tessellation unit makes its way to the HD 2900 XT which allows for geometry data compression that is a lot faster than CPU-based or geometry shader-based tessellation. Basically, this technology applies a sub-division rule to a polygon mesh amplifying animation data/morph targets/deformation models. This allows developers to provide data to GPU at a coarser resolution. Using a Terrain Rendering demo, AMD showed us how 840 triangles were tessellated to 1 million triangles utilizing just 93k memory on the VGA card. If such a terrain was constructed in high resolution using 1.2m triangles, the total buffer size would amount to 55MB!"

Ps3 cannot boast any such feature. In fact its cell is a standard number cruncher and its rsx is a boring dx9 card with nothing special at all.

The 360 cpu is a boring 3 core cpu, but the development kits and the gpu make the 360 by far the most powerful. You really shouldnt listen to sonys cell hype its all nonsense.

Also vgchartz is wrong and so is nextgenwars. Both are making them up. If you want to know the real figures check the NPD data urself. Wii is shifting the most by far, ps3 is shifting around 100,000 units and is dropping monthly and 360 around 150,000 going up and down depending on launched games. These are monthly US figures.


When is the last time you really used the PS3 BD player? Last I checked it was actually one of the better models on the market right now. Learn to make a proper connection... or better yet, enjoy your HD-DVD in 1080i for the same $600 combined retail price, $800+ if you want 1080p.

As for total sales... this is by far my favorite MS quote at the moment. Clearly showing they overstock retailers with 360's.

The company now expects to ship a total of 12 million units by the end of June 2007, down from the original estimate of between 13 and 15 million.

"We are just being cautious about the second half," commented Microsoft CFO Chris Liddell to news agency Reuters. "There's a reasonable amount of inventory in the channel."

Hmm... just how many of those 10 million "Sold" 360's are still hanging in the channel exactly?? Try around 4 million.

[*StoneCold*]

guessing. the ps3 had a groundbreaking uk launch theres no disputing that but then theres no disputing the fact that sales dropped 80% a week later and have had no reports of it ever rising again.

Going by the fact that sony have ALWAYS outsold MS in europe then yes it is a good guess.

The fact still remains that the 360s 9.64 million consoles sold are not raising too quickly and when it does raise then it seems that its americas added on tbh.

The fact of the matter is that the 360's sales have slowed wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down, no-one eccept America seems to be buying it, you know that and i know that.

You can keep trying to defend it but the 360 is neck and neck in monthly sales with the PS3 and getting its ass handed to it by the wii.

But i will admit that the 360 looks like its going to pull ahead again of the PS3 and it seems in Japan that the PS3's numbers are starting to REALLY slip!!!

Now back to the people who said that the wii is only popular basically because theres a shortage etc well that seems to be coming from the exact same jackasses who where shouting the same crap about the NintendoDS, a machine that is currently doing ALOT better than what the PS2 did in the same amount of time!!!

Nuff said.

[OblivionX]

When is the last time you really used the PS3 BD player? Last I checked it was actually one of the better models on the market right now. Learn to make a proper connection... or better yet, enjoy your HD-DVD in 1080i for the same $600 combined retail price, $800+ if you want 1080p.

As for total sales... this is by far my favorite MS quote at the moment. Clearly showing they overstock retailers with 360's.



Hmm... just how many of those 10 million "Sold" 360's are still hanging in the channel exactly?? Try around 4 million.

well actually I dont have one, but one of my friends does. And 360 does 1080p over vga I think you will find. But ive only ever used it at 720p. Basically im basing ps3 blu ray quality on how it fairs to my 360s hd-dvd. And it loses and it looks washed out. From what ive read some blu ray players actually produce great quality images with good black levels. But the ps3 didnt when plugged in through hdmi on a 720p tv and my 360 did through vga at 720p. Even my friend who loves his ps3 despite me telling him what a waste it was, agreed that the picture was better.

Neway my point was generally that blu ray doesnt help the console it just raises the price. Id rather buy it and optionally buy the player addon. I did that with my 360, i dont feel ripped off even though the price is comparable. But its not holding back my 360s performance load times are great and i dont have to install my games. And I bought it for 280 when I had enough, i bought the addon with extra money when I could afford it. Payin £425 out right is insane. Especially when you need to install your games, i really cant get over that.

[Scorpion3]

this man is a parasite on the gaming industry, i hate the moron.

Exactly. That is such a **** thing to say, of course he doesn't mention that the Wii is catching up with the 360 sales. True they really don't care about the Wii's sales, but they also don't mention the fact that the 360's sales are also down, compared to holiday sales anyway.

[OblivionX]

Exactly. That is such a **** thing to say, of course he doesn't mention that the Wii is catching up with the 360 sales. True they really don't care about the Wii's sales, but they also don't mention the fact that the 360's sales are also down, compared to holiday sales anyway.

there is a reason for sales coming down though. Mainly the elite. People are waitin for it to become readily available, buying the premium would now seem like a waste. Also no games have came out for a while, once forza hits and shadowrun and bioshock etc sales will spike and then when halo 3 launches....well it will defo spike.

[*StoneCold*]

there is a reason for sales coming down though. Mainly the elite. People are waitin for it to become readily available, buying the premium would now seem like a waste. Also no games have came out for a while, once forza hits and shadowrun and bioshock etc sales will spike and then when halo 3 launches....well it will defo spike.

I thought the elite was out and available or is my eyes going mad?

[OblivionX]

its available in the US but hard to get hold of and its not available in europe yet. Basically its sold out in america and not launched in europe. So people are holding out to get one.

[gonepostl]

It's like they switched spots or something. Peter more is the new Phil Harison.

SHUT THE FUK UP!!!

[whackawookie]

I thought the elite was out and available or is my eyes going mad?

elite is sold out everywhere, atleast the stores i went into it isn't found. and your logic about the past second console put out by sony doing better in the uk over the past one console put out by microsoft doesn't really help your arguement for current status. if you cant get numbers to prove your point then i will apologize and admit being wrong but right now every report i see only state the launch numbers and thats pretty much it

[msanchez]

If you ask me when you feel so giddy about other's shortcomings then it means your not doing so hot yourself. For now everything we say are "what ifs" and on that note I could see the ps3 catching up to the 360 if/when the ps3 gets some good games. I mean if the ps3 as a movie player (it's current status in my opinion) is putting up these #, imagine the kind of # it will put up if/when it gets some games. I mean as much as I look at it, most people that don't have a 360 yet aren't waiting for any particular game to launch to buy one. All in all most of the must play 360 titles are shooters of some kind and the 360 already has a few of those and a, depending on your tastes, pretty decent library, so new games will not have as big of an impact as a good game will have on the ps3. Most people are waiting for MGS or FF, both titles will be unlike anything available on the ps3 (not counting ps2, ps1 games), so if you think about it the ps3 is basically going to re-launch when these titles get released.

As I said most big title 360 games appear to be some type of FPS or 3rdPS, some with RPG elements, other not. Exceptions would be Blue Dragon, and I'm not sure if Mass Effect has any shooter elements. I could be totally wrong on the 360 though, but everytime I look at a 360 screenshot I see an ammo counter and the first person view of a gun, so that's my impression.

To all the PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii owners out there. Can we all just get along? I thinks all three consoles are great and each have there own ups and downs. Let's stop arguing about which is better and which is selling the most and just enjoy them!

What are you talking about? why do you think we buy consoles for? So you want me to stop trying to find flaws in video games and actually enjoy playing them? Enjoy video games...... what an idiot, video games are to be argued about, and reviewed like you were getting paid to do it, and let's not forget that you also need to study market tendencies, and market share, and economics so you can make a proper investment. This way in 8 years when the company stops making games for your console you won't feel bad about buying it. Video games are not fun ok! if you want to be a simple idiot and enjoy games then go ahead, but let us over analyze everything and spend our time complaining about CEO's, stocks, technological specs, etc, etc...... I hope you realized I was being sarcastic by the way :p

[gonepostl]

If anything the 360 is more like the Dreamcast... lol


http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154

old article, but still a good read.
Correction!
Everything from 1up is a good read. Wow they really went hardcore to find resemblences! Crazy rich bald guy, Tetsuya Mizuguchi, Plans to eventually offer larger storage capacity with new Hard Drives and more.

Whats even more interesting is that this was done like 2 years ago! Good stuff good stuff!

[Scorpion3]

Correction!
Everything from 1up is a good read. Wow they really went hardcore to find resemblences! Crazy rich bald guy, Tetsuya Mizuguchi, Plans to eventually offer larger storage capacity with new Hard Drives and more.

Whats even more interesting is that this was done like 2 years ago! Good stuff good stuff!

lol. Funny you'd support an Anti-360 article that actually means nothing. Who woulda thunkit? That story was even before the 360 launched (EDIT, I was thinking of the wrong article, read below) and was just talking about the similarities, which you could find in a numerous amount of things.

Number 1 could be compared to the Playstation 2 with it being a year before GC and Xbox

Number 2 could also be compared to PS2 by them boasting it using a new media format that will revolutionize gaming, same could be said about PS3.

Number 3 could be compared to PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii since they all come in White and Black.

Number 4 could be compared to iPod's second generation Nano which made it's debut on MTV as well.

Number 5 could be compared to the PC? Seriously, that's just a stupid reason. lol. The PS3 uses the same as PSP and that's derived from Windows Mobile OS' for Pocket PCs

Number 6 could be compared to "Play Beyond" or any crappy console slogan.

Number 7. Ironicly, the console's greatest selling point, same with the DC, was it's great online service. So...that's bad how? It could be lacking in features like the PSN, correct?

Number 8. Also goes hand in hand with the PSN

Number 9. Yeah....rofl

Number 10 is flawed because the 360 can play Next gen movie format.

Number 11 describes the PS3 more then the 360, with it being "4D and the only true HD gaming you'll ever get."

Number 12 could be said about Home when it comes out, that's completely directed at "Customize your home".

Number 13...well number 13 is a coincidence. He also "Spearheaded" the Xbox but that obviously didn't turn into a DC2 like all the PS2 fanboys said it would.

Number 14 is not only a bad comparison because the PSX emulates as well as the PS2, but just about every console that has been hacked as played emulators.

Number 15 is stupid, he's made games for the PS2 as well. :rolleyes:

Number 16, Pepsi also did a huge bit of marketing the Playstation 1.

Number 17...Uh huh.

Number 18 doesn't make sense, the PS2 had a microphone, does that make it a selling point?

Number 19. PS3 has been criticized for having waisted space by some devs.

Number 20. I'm lazy so everything that's so outdated it's been proven wrong, I'm just going to say "old". Ok?

Number 21. lol Nice comparison indeed.

Number 22. "Old"

Number 23. Funny, if that's not a fanboy remark I don't know what is. And since it is, I figure this whole list was made by some Sony fanboy and as stated by Sony fans on MC, when someone makes something that's in the industry and is biased (This was declared about anti-PS3 news) it is not legit but only fanboy comments made by someone in the industry.

In the end, the second list makes more sense then the comparison.
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3145154

elite is sold out everywhere, atleast the stores i went into it isn't found. and your logic about the past second console put out by sony doing better in the uk over the past one console put out by microsoft doesn't really help your arguement for current status. if you cant get numbers to prove your point then i will apologize and admit being wrong but right now every report i see only state the launch numbers and thats pretty much it

Same here, I have yet to actually find an Elite on shelves, despite people saying "The Elite is a POS", they're still selling pretty regularly if it's constantly sold out.

[DrivingFast3r]

SHUT THE F-UP. THIS GUY IS MAKING A MOCKERY OF THE GAMING INDUSTRY AND HE LOOKS LIKE A FOOL. EVERY GAME SYSTEM IS GREAT FOR ITS OWN REASON.

Why doesn't he talk about the PS3 outselling the Sh$tBox360 during the same time frame of 6 months after launch

[Scorpion3]

SHUT THE F-UP. THIS GUY IS MAKING A MOCKERY OF THE GAMING INDUSTRY AND HE LOOKS LIKE A FOOL. EVERY GAME SYSTEM IS GREAT FOR ITS OWN REASON.

Why doesn't he talk about the PS3 outselling the Sh$tBox360 during the same time frame of 6 months after launch

Are you serious? lol. You say all game consoles are great for it's own reason...which is singular for some reason. I wonder what the reason could be, Hmmm..:rolleyes: But anyway, you say that and then you bash on the 360. Brilliant way to get your point acrossed and to not sound like a...well we'll just use the word "Nimbus" to refer to a blubbering idiot fanboy.

[loliix]

I thought the elite was out and available or is my eyes going mad?Definitely going mad.. Since you're a Irish lad you certainly won't find Elite in your regular local store.
Then there are several reports from the states (the only territory it is selling) the console is sold out. This may be because the Elite is only available in limited quantities right now and not a true success story, yet the point is, you will have a hard time finding one.. unless you are plain lucky and find a store that received new stock.

Nevertheless PS3 is just a few more bucks compared to Elite, and is now readily available in every single store you may visit.. Why aren't Elite sales slowing down and PS3 sales picking up the pace with the Elite shortage?

(1) Either there isn't that much demand for Elite, only low availability
(2) People actually dismissed PS3 for now and want the XBOX360

[Cyclone57]

The PS3 is the DreamCast all over again? That is freaking harsh!

The DreamCast is way better than PS3 :D

[snipersnake]

hahaha

After working for Patrick USA, the U.S. subsidiary of the popular French company, and then Reebok, Peter Moore rose to prominence at Sega, being a big figure in the company's North American operations during the Dreamcast era. Moore played a pivotal acting role in the company’s decision to change its business strategy to become a platform-agnostic software publisher. At the time of leaving Moore was president and COO of SEGA of America.



hahaha!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Moore_%28Microsoft%29

so funny!!