Halo 2 vs. Halo 3 Comparison

[DC RID3R]

GamePlanets have posted a video by MarioLinkSamus comparing the visual aesthetics between Halo 2 and the upcoming Halo 3.

Hit jump to find what all the fuss is about.

News source: <a href="http://gameplanets.blogspot.com/2007/04/halo-2-vs-halo-3-comparison.html" target="_blank">GamePlanets</a>

[Xanadu83]

Doesn't look hugely different!

[AshsToAshs]

I literally thought i was watching footage of Halo 2 the whole time.

I really dont understand why Halo is so popular.
The gameplay is mediocre at best.
The graphics are crap.
And there is no real story.

yet, for some reason unknown to me, it sells like mad!

-Ash-

EDIT: and people can keep using the 'oh its just beta, graphics will get better' excuse all they want. Other games manage to get games lookin good in beta, why is this one so different!

[Ubertraka]

Doesn't look hugely different!

Same franchise, so the gameplay isn't going to be all that different.

I'm surprised they made a graphical comparison between a Halo2 Final product and an Alpha version of Halo3 (from 2005).... The graphical enhancements of Halo3 over Halo2 will be most apparent in the beta in May.

[Ubertraka]

-Ash-

EDIT: and people can keep using the 'oh its just beta, graphics will get better' excuse all they want. Other games manage to get games lookin good in beta, why is this one so different!

Sorry to double post, but it isn't even a beta. It's amusing how everyone is saying it is, when the poster of this video at bungie.net makes it very explicitly clear that it is an alpha.

Dumbasses.

[SegaCD]

I agree to not knowing fully why this game sells so much, though I am told it does have a good story but I dont know. From the gameplay experience I have had playing it, it was just ok, nothing more but another shooter, but I think its more of a fps for people who dont have a pc or something. However when I compare this game with gears of war gameplay wise, I way perfer gow any day. Even though this new update released sucks ass..

[11111]

I agree to not knowing fully why this game sells so much, though I am told it does have a good story but I dont know. From the gameplay experience I have had playing it, it was just ok, nothing more but another shooter, but I think its more of a fps for people who dont have a pc or something. However when I compare this game with gears of war gameplay wise, I way perfer gow any day. Even though this new update released sucks ass..

microsoft did very well pushing the series. what's keeping it alive is there are constant tournaments for money(or prizes but mostly money) so there is a hardcore scene. if money is to be had, people will play.

[mrdj]

Cant understand why even compare an Alpha stated game with a full game :confused: Pointless...even if it was last generation, halo 2 suported 720p and does look realy good out when playing it on the 360 even today. Im not supriced if bugie makes halo 3 suport 1080p, anyway..im sure bungie wont let us down graphicly way when the finish game will be out :D

[DEDDOA]

It sells well for the same reason the likes of counterstrike or Unreal tornament sells well on the PC or goldeneye or perfect dark did on the N64. A lot of people like multiplayer team based or free for all FPS, and for consoles, frankly it is the best on offer (doesn't say much for console FPS but there you go). As for no story, I thought the second one especially had a rather good one, the first maybe not with just the obligitory "we are fighting aliens who don't like us" line. The second one fleshed that out a fair bit even if it did have the annoying "to be continued..." ending. I expect this time arround with more accurate PC conversions (even if that do sadly use a pad) it will have more competition (I'd pay good money if we could get a decent version of CS, and have mouse support, 5 button with wheel preferably). I'll also say that the near lack of any decent multiplayer support on the PS2 helped a lot, the PS2 had nothing that came close, except maybe that tank game that came with the network adapter, but that was about it.

Anyway, if I recall, the early version of Halo 3 used the Halo 2 gfx a lot so as to test out the actuall game it's self or somthing along those lines, so I guess that could explain the similarities. I myself will with hold judgement until my beta get activated in crackdown.

[pCeSlAyEr]

as DEDDOA had stated the Alpha has placeholder models from Halo 2 all over the place. the Beta is going to be the first actual look at the real models for Halo 3.

Also Halo 2 was one of the best looking games last generation so I dont know why people think the 360 wont push better visuals.

My question is... is it lack of faith in bungie or just hating on the console in general?

the halo series might not have the best story, but its a blast to play with your friends and doesnt cost an arm and a leg to get running.

[joe90]

no difference really there in that lo-res stream vid.

but to be honest.. im not that impressed with what i have seen so far.. 2 was crap.

[mystic54]

I literally thought i was watching footage of Halo 2 the whole time.

I really dont understand why Halo is so popular.
The gameplay is mediocre at best.
The graphics are crap.
And there is no real story.

yet, for some reason unknown to me, it sells like mad!

-Ash-

EDIT: and people can keep using the 'oh its just beta, graphics will get better' excuse all they want. Other games manage to get games lookin good in beta, why is this one so different!
I always hate when people do that. They say the same with halo. I don't know if it is just people trying to be different (never gets old), or what but give credit where credit is due. You don't have to like it, but both deserve credit in different areas.

[n0rthstar]

"I really dont understand why Halo is so popular.
The gameplay is mediocre at best.
The graphics are crap."

I pretty much agree with those 3 things. I enjoyed the first one (PC port) and completed the one player game. I found the second more of a chore than a joy to play and still havent finished it to this day. The gfx are deffinately nothing to scream about, very blocky, blurry, blotchy, w/e. Its only saving grace is the multiplayer aspect for most people i imagine (you just have to look on Kai and XBC to see that), although it never did anything for me, tried it once or twice got bored pretty quickly.

Its deffinately a mystery. I think it lives on the hype that surrounds it.

[panyan1991]

I always hate when people do that. They say the same with halo. I don't know if it is just people trying to be different (never gets old), or what but give credit where credit is due. You don't have to like it, but both deserve credit in different areas.

i agree - dont just slag off games just to be different - be honest about your opinion

[evlspcmk]

ive said this before and ill probably say it again but here we go

the reason Halo is so popular is because people saw the graphics on this game and game play and shat them selves, these people were probably kids about the 8-16 mark that got an Xbox for whatever reason (birthday, christmas, quanza ,etc) these are the people that didnt have a gaming PC prior to getting an Xbox. However me i found halo to be very overrated with shitty graphics and game play because ive been playing PC games that were on a par and much better than halo for years prior to its release, so i thought of halo as a medioka sorta game with nothing special at all. However the masses found it appealing so lets just let the Xbox fans have their prize pig and every one shut up about weather it sucks or whatever, i give microsoft credit for it but myself i didnt think it was anything special at all

[KainXS]

i've been trying to say this for a long time, halo sucks in nearly every way halo 2 more than halo 1
i played it last time like last year and there was nothing but little kids playing the the swearing ahhhhhhhhhhhh

if you want a god shooter play farcry

or on private servers for halo with mods

[Mannyman]

I agree that people should withhold judgement until the game is released, if not the beta release next month.

I also believe that the gameplay videos shown thus far are from an alpha build probably reusing some older textures, and with these builds they're probably testing out new features and gameplay mechanics more than the graphics engine. Bungie has kept a tight lid on Halo 3 details, including screenshots among other things. I wouldn't be surprised if testers from the public weren't exceptioned from these "secrets". Video featuring gameplay using these test groups (as mentioned in the latest bungie video) obviously isn't going to show off the new engine if they're not seeing it either.

Do not forget the original Halo 3 trailer revealed back at E3 last year. In fact, I think the comparison should have included bits from the trailer. I was personally blown away when I saw it in 1080i. Developers said those graphics were not prerendered, in fact being produced in real time by the new engine. These gameplay videos look nothing like that demo so I think Bungie is holding something back on us for now to keep the element of surprise.

I think we will be impressed with the graphics when the final game is released, but hopefully they'll give us a taste in May when the beta is out.

[sigma8]

no difference really there in that lo-res stream vid.
Agreed. This video is like two postage stamps by two postage stamps big. It's not a good way to examine the video.

Stylistically, I'd expect them to be very similar. They are both Halo's.. It's not like they are making HaloRoco..

I don't think it will be all that. I think Epic may soon find itself owned by MS.

[DEDDOA]

Agreed. This video is like two postage stamps by two postage stamps big. It's not a good way to examine the video.

Stylistically, I'd expect them to be very similar. They are both Halo's.. It's not like they are making HaloRoco..

I don't think it will be all that. I think Epic may soon find itself owned by MS.

I hope not, you could guarantee the majority of talent would jump ship and form another game studio, as is usually the case. Now keeping them fed financially by MS with a guaranteed degree of exclusivity both in titles like GoW, and the time before releasing on the PS3 (the PC which would be my chosen format doesn't even seem like competition in th eyes of console makers) and that sounds a lot better, if they were to do that. I hate it when console makers buy out developers, they seem to loose what made them good and they just become part of the corporate machine. Tho that said it does seem to be less of a case on the MS front as the companes keep their names and so retain a certain image. Sony on the other hand make the original company disappear, I still can't forgive them for turning psygnosis into a pale shadow of their former glory, I miss that owl logo :(

Thats it, I'm firing up my amiga emulator and playing agony or killing game show :D

[gonepostl]

GO BUNGIE! 3 YEARS WELL SPENT! That sh1t's laughable. Haha

[SSChevy2001]

It's just ALPHA video relax everyone.

May 16 will end this debate.

[AshsToAshs]

I always hate when people do that. They say the same with halo. I don't know if it is just people trying to be different (never gets old), or what but give credit where credit is due. You don't have to like it, but both deserve credit in different areas.

Im not doing it to be different, as you can see there are alot of people in this thread who agree with me. Im saying the Halo franchise sucks because i genuinely believe it.

And if you honestly believe the game is going to look hugely better after alpha, then your living in a dream world.

From what ive seen it wont even look hugely different from Halo 2. Itll just have higher res and slightly better lighting. Hell Halo 3 is still using the old engine.

-Ash-

[Scorpion3]

as DEDDOA had stated the Alpha has placeholder models from Halo 2 all over the place. the Beta is going to be the first actual look at the real models for Halo 3.

Also Halo 2 was one of the best looking games last generation so I dont know why people think the 360 wont push better visuals.

My question is... is it lack of faith in bungie or just hating on the console in general?

the halo series might not have the best story, but its a blast to play with your friends and doesnt cost an arm and a leg to get running.

Yeah, how stupid are people that compare the graphics from an Alpha to an "Omega"? That's like comparing Killzone 2's trailer to the still pictures which don't look anything like the video. Bottom line, anyone in this thread who has said that there doesn't seem to be a difference, should think before posting. A. It's a game not even close to being into the Beta by this video and comparing it to a finished game is moronic. If they look the same, Halo 3 at Alpha looking as good as a finished product like Halo 2 should really tell you something. B. The gameplay is a lot different if you watch the gameplay footage. The AI is a lot smarter, there are more weapons and the gameplay tends to be a lot faster and more smooth then Halo 2 was, more like Halo played. And really, I don't care what people say about the Halo Franchise, is it good? Has to be to sell over 3 million copies. If you think it sucks, that's fine, I don't even really like it as many people do, but it IS a good game series and DOES sell consoles.

[Reset]

Im not doing it to be different, as you can see there are alot of people in this thread who agree with me. Im saying the Halo franchise sucks because i genuinely believe it.

And if you honestly believe the game is going to look hugely better after alpha, then your living in a dream world.

From what ive seen it wont even look hugely different from Halo 2. Itll just have higher res and slightly better lighting. Hell Halo 3 is still using the old engine.

-Ash-
I actually think its fine you dont like halo, i personally think its the most overrated game out there. its a damn good game, but no where near the hype is all. and playing online is usually ruined by immature teens and glitching bastards. I personally like games like rainbow 6 (my favorite fps) but others im sure would disagree.

as far as your your graphics comment, the reason is because with this game, just like forza 2, they are focusing on gameplay first. and will overhaul graphics as much as possible once gameplay is as good as they feel they can make it. if you think it will look like the alpha (which is actually just halo 2 with game play tweaks in high rez) then ur crazy. Im not saying its going to be the best looking 360 game (I actually hate the look of all halo games, but there usually technically impressive), but to think it wont look better than what it is, I can tell you right now, ur completely wrong.

[sigma8]

I hope not, you could guarantee the majority of talent would jump ship and form another game studio, as is usually the case. Now keeping them fed financially by MS with a guaranteed degree of exclusivity both in titles like GoW, and the time before releasing on the PS3 (the PC which would be my chosen format doesn't even seem like competition in th eyes of console makers) and that sounds a lot better, if they were to do that. I hate it when console makers buy out developers, they seem to loose what made them good and they just become part of the corporate machine. Tho that said it does seem to be less of a case on the MS front as the companes keep their names and so retain a certain image. Sony on the other hand make the original company disappear, I still can't forgive them for turning psygnosis into a pale shadow of their former glory, I miss that owl logo :(

Thats it, I'm firing up my amiga emulator and playing agony or killing game show :D

Well, Insomniax is apparently owned by Sony.. They seem "separate". Verant seems "separate". 989 studios seemed separate back in the day. I don't think Sony is all that much different than MS in this regard. You say Bungie seems separate...I say barely. How they would be any different than a separate team of devs working on a separate MS-owned franchise but without their own little "studio name" is beyond me.

The fact that the only game they've been allowed to work on in the past 6 years has been Halo says a lot to me. They do not have a lot of freedom. They used to change franchises every couple years.. Marathon, to Myth..then they made Oni.. And then were working on Halo, for mac and pc.. when they were bought...and now that's the only thing they've done.

As for Epic being "well fed".. I suppose MS can just keep bribing them, but that will get more and more expensive for MS. Imagine what the effect would be if Sony fed them "better".. That might not be a reality MS would like to consider. Like you said, it may induce turnover within Epic. Who knows. Risks!

[Reset]

Well, Insomniax is apparently owned by Sony.. They seem "separate". Verant seems "separate". 989 studios seemed separate back in the day. I don't think Sony is all that much different than MS in this regard. You say Bungie seems separate...I say barely. How they would be any different than a separate team of devs working on a separate MS-owned franchise but without their own little "studio name" is beyond me.

The fact that the only game they've been allowed to work on in the past 6 years has been Halo says a lot to me. They do not have a lot of freedom. They used to change franchises every couple years.. Marathon, to Myth..then they made Oni.. And then were working on Halo, for mac and pc.. when they were bought...and now that's the only thing they've done.

As for Epic being "well fed".. I suppose MS can just keep bribing them, but that will get more and more expensive for MS. Imagine what the effect would be if Sony fed them "better".. That might not be a reality MS would like to consider. Like you said, it may induce turnover within Epic. Who knows. Risks!
I agree with most of that, bungie might as well be MS studios, I think he was saying he just likes that there still called bungie.

you make good points about epic, but I just see it like this. Epic knows how to use the huge corporations in the same way the huge corporations know how to use customers. Epic will do what they want mostley as they take a lot of pride in what they do and the quality they do. the fact that epic supports linux (not to mention mac) says it all to me. If ms or sony were able to somehow ruin epic, I would be madder at epic then ms or sony.

epic also has the uniuqe position of creating game engines like the unreal engine and dont have to soley rely on software sells to make money. if they were to be bought out, there buisness model wouldnt work the same since they make money supporting 3rd party devs.

[Scorpion3]

I agree with most of that, bungie might as well be MS studios, I think he was saying he just likes that there still called bungie.

you make good points about epic, but I just see it like this. Epic knows how to use the huge corporations in the same way the huge corporations know how to use customers. Epic will do what they want mostley as they take a lot of pride in what they do and the quality they do. the fact that epic supports linux (not to mention mac) says it all to me. If ms or sony were able to somehow ruin epic, I would be madder at epic then ms or sony.

I don't agree really, Bungie is to Microsoft and Square-Enix is to Sony, that doesn't mean they're owned by the company, it just means they generally favor the system or the companies pay money to keep them making games for just their systems.

On another note, have you seen the Public Service Announcement with Simmons' VA talking about playing games on a Mac? It's great.

[Reset]

I don't agree really, Bungie is to Microsoft and Square-Enix is to Sony, that doesn't mean they're owned by the company, it just means they generally favor the system or the companies pay money to keep them making games for just their systems.
well the last game bungie made for ps2 was oni (what a crap game) right. Id love to be wrong about bungie not being part of MS, but do they release games for any platform not somehow affiliated with MS anymore. Im gonna go do some googleing now :) my argument for epic still stands though.

edit.........after reading the history of bungie at its official site. heres a couple quotes

"Meanwhile, the Take 2 partnership was to be short-lived. In 2000, Microsoft, recognizing the brilliance of the Halo project, decided to acquire the game, the company and the employees."

"Take 2 kept the rights to Oni (releasing it successfully in January of 2001) and Myth, and Bungie made its most dramatic move yet. Almost every staff member chose to move with the company they'd grown to love, and finally left the windy crime of Chicago for the predictable drizzle of Redmond, Washington."

seems like bungie is part of MS to me. Im not saying im glad though

[beastt]

sigh..... halo is so overrated. Let me type out a list of fps's that are better then the halo series but are on the PC:
Half Life 1 &2
Opposing Force
Day of Defeat
Team Fortress Classic
Counter Strike
Counter Strike Source
Battlefield 1942
Battlefield 2
Battlefield 2142
Soldier of Fortune 1&2
Far Cry
Unreal Tournament 2004
Unreal
Unreal Tournament
Return To Castle Wolfenstein (Wolfenstein 3D to :D)
Quake 2, 3 & 4
Rainbow Six (original one)
Rogue Spear
Rainbow Six Raven Shield
Ghost Recon (original one)
Tribes 1&2
Alien vs. Predator 2 (omfg multiplayer is fun on this)
No one lives forever 1 & 2
Medal of Honor
DOOM 1, 2 & 3
S.T.A.L.K.E.R

All the games I listed I believe are better then Halo. Maybe for some not graphics wise but gameplay they win. Also the only games who's graphics don't reach Halo's had been out a couple years earlier. But god all these games have amazing multiplayer or amazing singleplayer story. Probably my favorite of them all is Opposing Force which is an add-on for HL1. If you haven't played Opposing force before you should buy it on steam and play it the multiplayer was literally amazing for the game. Also can't wait till TFC2 comes out :D
Ohhh also my theory on why so many people like it is because they never played a pc shooter

[sigma8]

I agree with most of that, bungie might as well be MS studios, I think he was saying he just likes that there still called bungie.

you make good points about epic, but I just see it like this. Epic knows how to use the huge corporations in the same way the huge corporations know how to use customers. Epic will do what they want mostley as they take a lot of pride in what they do and the quality they do. the fact that epic supports linux (not to mention mac) says it all to me. If ms or sony were able to somehow ruin epic, I would be madder at epic then ms or sony.

epic also has the uniuqe position of creating game engines like the unreal engine and dont have to soley rely on software sells to make money. if they were to be bought out, there buisness model wouldnt work the same since they make money supporting 3rd party devs.
Well, remember too that Bungie was primarily a Macintosh-based developer. The Marathon games were mac-only, and Myth started life on the mac, before being ported to PC (and I think Linux?). Halo was to be released first on mac, too, I believe. They were very community oriented, and had a large fan-base, similar to Id's fan-base, in terms of the how they were attracted to the "indie" nature of the developer.

I don't think Epic is immune to huge sums of what would amount to bribery. Then again, maybe they are. I can't presume to know their morals on the matter, but generally, every company has a price. But it's interesting, because Epic's character is not too unlike Bungie's right before they were bought.

[sigma8]

I don't agree really, Bungie is to Microsoft and Square-Enix is to Sony, that doesn't mean they're owned by the company, it just means they generally favor the system or the companies pay money to keep them making games for just their systems.
Except that Microsoft completely and wholly purchased Bungie a few years ago? It was huge news. I'm afraid actual events are in complete contradiction with you.

[Reset]

All the games I listed I believe are better then Halo. Maybe for some not graphics wise but gameplay they win. Also the only games who's graphics don't reach Halo's had been out a couple years earlier. But god all these games have amazing multiplayer or amazing singleplayer story. Probably my favorite of them all is Opposing Force which is an add-on for HL1. If you haven't played Opposing force before you should buy it on steam and play it the multiplayer was literally amazing for the game. Also can't wait till TFC2 comes out :D
Ohhh also my theory on why so many people like it is because they never played a pc shooter

the pc has better fps's than halo, no way, ur joking right. this is obvious by how little a response it got on the pc. while I completley agree with ur statment in general, I just dont see how comparing console fps's to the pc is relevant. I do think ur right and most ppl that love halo have never played a good fps for more than 10 min on there pc.

on steam things, I use to be an avid supporter of steam, as some really old posts have me putting it on a pedistal. but I reccomend eveyone here stay away from steam till they lose there in game adverts attitude. I was gonna buy TF 2 and wish i could, as I was so excited for that game. but I wont support valve again till they remember who they are. sadley I know this means ill miss out on some good fps shooters . I still havent played cs-source since the day they added ads to the 1.6 version. I used to play it nearly every night. im tying to hold strong even though I know it means nothing to valve.

[sigma8]

sigh..... halo is so overrated. Let me type out a list of fps's that are better then the halo series but are on the PC:
**Half Life 1 &2
Opposing Force
Team Fortress Classic
Counter Strike
**Battlefield 1942
Soldier of Fortune 1&2
**Far Cry
**Unreal Tournament 2004
Unreal
**Unreal Tournament
Return To Castle Wolfenstein (Wolfenstein 3D to :D)
**Quake 2
Quake 3
Quake 4
**Tribes 1&2
*Alien vs. Predator 2 (omfg multiplayer is fun on this)
**No one lives forever 1 & 2
**Medal of Honor
**DOOM 1
Doom 2
Doom 3


I've taken off the ones from your list that I haven't played, and double-starred the ones I agree with. I used 1 star if I was a bit on the edge about the game. Halo is by no means bad. It just doesn't match the hype. I can't believe you place those unstarred games above it. Doom 3 was ... nowhere near as fun, IMO.

[Reset]

I don't think Epic is immune to huge sums of what would amount to bribery. Then again, maybe they are. I can't presume to know their morals on the matter, but generally, every company has a price. But it's interesting, because Epic's character is not too unlike Bungie's right before they were bought.
damnit sigma, I had practically a whole editorial written up on the main differences between bungie and epic, then my explorer crashed. oh well.
I can say trust me there way different but I know you wont beleive me:rolleyes:

anyway, my main points were.... a major part of epics buisness is making engines to liscense to other developers. there games are partley to showcase there engines. It also gives them much more leverage than other developers. epic fans are usually technology fans just the same as epic, so they know that limiting there platforms would kill half there fan base alone (not that they cant be given a new fanbase, but they still like there fans it seems). and lastley there ceo's are still young and full of that spirit crap;) that sony and MS seem to hate. I guess nothing is impossible and I wont say never. but I really dont think its the same, bungie has never been in the position that epic is, and epic only seems to be getting stronger. bungie was not doing so so great before MS bought them. they were trying to reinvent themselves for the 5th time.

edit...srry I added this after u already posted sigma. my mistake.

this is all speculation, but I think MS would have bought epic if they could have, Im guessing epic only sold them a game, and it cost MS 10 million and no special deals on royalties. they paid 10 million just to have epic release it exclusive.

[sigma8]

No, I woudn't have discounted it. Your summary has some good points. I was never a bungie fan, since I wasn't using Macs way back when... I only checked them out when a friend wouldn't shut up about Myth, and personally, I didn't get much into Myth. So I'm not totally up on Bungie knowledge.

That's a very good point about Epic's engine business. But "young and full-of-youth" could also mean "sell, get rich, start another company". Given their engine business, MS might profit from a purchase even if everyone quit. Even if MS didn't resell it to everyone, they could keep it away from Sony. That's kind of a stretch, though.

But you are right, they are different. I think, tho, that until rumors of actual buyout talks were circulating, nobody ever dreamt Bungie would be bought out by MS.

edit: oh your explorer crashed! erm..MS sucks!!! beebeepbeep.. it ate your post? it was a really good post? then you had to type it again and it wasn't as good? lol

[Reset]

: oh your explorer crashed! erm..MS sucks!!! beebeepbeep.. it ate your post? it was a really good post? then you had to type it again and it wasn't as good? lol
yeah well to be truthful I just accidently hit some wierd combination of keys that made (I think ctrl e) my page dissapeard and I couldnt go back or foward to it. but explorer does suck ass, and its probly better for everyone as my first one was practically a page and a half and didnt belong in a forum. it was just a longer version of what I ended up wrighting, it even adressed ur stretch of still selling the engine to other devs even if bought out.

[sigma8]

Sounds pretty "epic".. ohwells. Brevity ftw!

[Scorpion3]

Except that Microsoft completely and wholly purchased Bungie a few years ago? It was huge news. I'm afraid actual events are in complete contradiction with you.

How do you go from logical poster to jackass/fanboy so quickly? I just couldn't pull that off. And in case you didn't know, MS owns the company but the games can still go multiplatform if they pay the right amount of money to Microsoft.

[Rubric]

I honestly think they are keeping the visuals under wraps. Kind of keeping the suspense factor until the final release. It would make sense to hold off until the right moment and show what they've done with it. Assuming I'm right and they have done something impressive w/the graphics.

[DEDDOA]

sigh..... halo is so overrated. Let me type out a list of fps's that are better then the halo series but are on the PC:
Half Life 1 &2
Opposing Force
Day of Defeat
Team Fortress Classic
Counter Strike
Counter Strike Source
Battlefield 1942
Battlefield 2
Battlefield 2142
Soldier of Fortune 1&2
Far Cry
Unreal Tournament 2004
Unreal
Unreal Tournament
Return To Castle Wolfenstein (Wolfenstein 3D to :D)
Quake 2, 3 & 4
Rainbow Six (original one)
Rogue Spear
Rainbow Six Raven Shield
Ghost Recon (original one)
Tribes 1&2
Alien vs. Predator 2 (omfg multiplayer is fun on this)
No one lives forever 1 & 2
Medal of Honor
DOOM 1, 2 & 3
S.T.A.L.K.E.R

All the games I listed I believe are better then Halo. Maybe for some not graphics wise but gameplay they win. Also the only games who's graphics don't reach Halo's had been out a couple years earlier. But god all these games have amazing multiplayer or amazing singleplayer story. Probably my favorite of them all is Opposing Force which is an add-on for HL1. If you haven't played Opposing force before you should buy it on steam and play it the multiplayer was literally amazing for the game. Also can't wait till TFC2 comes out :D
Ohhh also my theory on why so many people like it is because they never played a pc shooter


I couldn't agree more but then the PC always has better FPS than consoles (mainly due to controlls). I remember thinking what the hell the big fuss was with golden eye and how crappy it was when it was released. This tho was becasue I was playing half life or unreal at the time which were much better both single and multi player, golden eye was just doom with slightly better gfx to me. The point is tho it was the best console owners could get, and the same goes for Halo. There is little if anything that matches it on the console front, so it doesn't matter how good PC FPS are, if they are not on console or as good as Halo on the consoles, then they are pointless comparissons to console owners. Forget the PC comparisson, think about what is on offer for console and then you will see Halo has been one of the few shining lights on the multiplayer FPS scene for the pas few years.

[Scorpion3]

I honestly think they are keeping the visuals under wraps. Kind of keeping the suspense factor until the final release. It would make sense to hold off until the right moment and show what they've done with it. Assuming I'm right and they have done something impressive w/the graphics.

Same here, all we've seen from them are Alpha pictures and videos from 2005, May 19'th will be a huge eye opener for people who say Halo 3 looks like Halo 2 with slightly upgraded graphics. On a side note, I have no idea how they can say that, looking at the gameplay, it plays a lot faster the Halo 2.

[Xenogears V]

When went out Halo, all we have remained to mouth open for the graphics, when went out Halo 2, has disappointed all, because the graphics was slightly alone improved.

For everybody is waited that Halo 3 are the good Halo ever seen. From the video it doesn't seem me nula of exceptional, but aspect to see played it.

[WickedSkin]

Not to be an ass-hole but halo 2 single player sucked... really hard.

[SSChevy2001]

Not to be an ass-hole but halo 2 single player sucked... really hard.LOL. Single player wasn't hard enough. Even on Legendary mode it wasn't that bad, you just need to know what combination of weapons work best.

[WickedSkin]

LOL. Single player wasn't hard enough. Even on Legendary mode it wasn't that bad, you just need to know what combination of weapons work best.

I didn't mean it was hard, Halo 2 was easy. But the design was bad. Everything looked the same pretty much all the time. And there was nothing that hadn't been done before. And you ended up doing the same thing over and over.
It was just not the game I wanted it to be.

*EDIT* By sucking hard I meant it could suck the crome off of a truck.