Back-up media?

[TheLaw]

I searched for this and found alot of threads, but none with an answer. I modded my wii yesterday(cyclowiz v2,dms,pal) , went perfect(including update).
I had several wii games(ssx, far cry, exite truck) backed up already on verbatim dvd-r. They all worked fine. Then I go and burn MOH on the same verbatim media and low and behold, freezes on nunchuk screen. Now, when I searched for similiar online, I found an answer, that it was the type of media I was using or the speed I burnt it.

Is the wii that touchy about what media you use for each back-up?

Does burn speed really matter for one back-up, if all the other back-ups are fine?

Do we have an online database to share (a) what media will work with each back-up and (b) at what speed is optimal for burning or is every wii different and a back-up that wont work on my wii, works on someone elses'?

Any input would be great.

[soulfoot]

i use a wiikey and only got mine installed last night but i would submit that you try a few other things, the gentleman that installed mine for me, showed me and has posted in these forums that in order to get rapella fishing going, he must first insert the game and then reset the system with the game inside

that being said i would probably never burn higher than 2x just to be on the safe side

also if the game is loading and then freezing after it starts, it may be something as simple as a bad dump

[Topher84]

I installed my wiikey the other day and I use memorex dvd-r discs. I burn @
6X because anything lower will cause a "clicking" noise to go off when the disc spins... unless you have a really crappy burner 6x will burn just fine and I assume max speed will burn just fine if you use good media. I don't understand why people mod their system and use cheap ass media when good media isn't even expensive! Cheap media is VERY hard on your laser and will eventually burn it out so in my experience spend the money(like $2? wow) to buy good stuff!

[ASSPOP]

verbatims are good media, one of the best, but i have a wiikey, i played MOH for wii on a maxell disc. i burned at 8x.

[Topher84]

I wasn't knocking verbatim... in my opinion

Quality Order
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1. Memorex
2. Maxell
3. Verbatim
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use the -R discs as well not the +R :cool:

[odinfire]

I use Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD-R Printable Media, specifically TYG02. Never had a problem. We buy them in bulk. About $80 for 200. Cant figure you would use that many so soon. Burn at 6X.

Link to a reputable seller below:

http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/product.asp?p=1697&c=1389&name=TaiyoYuden(8x)InkjetWhiteDVD-RSpindle

[ASSPOP]

actually memorex is not so good. It is 1. Taiyo Yuden, 2. Verbatim, Maxell 3. Memorex.

[Topher84]

Just in my experience that has been the case.. I'd never buy verbatim b/c the dye is so cheap on them. I'd put maxell/memorex on the same level and i've never even heard of the first type you mentioned heh

[ASSPOP]

here you go :D

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

and i just checked a memorex disc that i have, and behold it has

RITEKD01 dye on it, which means it's 3rd class media.

i just checked a dvd-r of a memorex and behold it has

CMC MAG. AE1 dye on it

which means its 4th class media.

4th class media is "Pathetic garbage media, landfill material, about 0-50% success rate."


edit: i just checked my verbatim dual layer, it has MKM001 dye on it, which means first class media.

1st class media
Almost flawless burns with 95-100% reliable results.

so just a heads up, memorex is not so good, i banned it from my xbox360, i only use verbatim and 2nd class media which is ritek on it.

if you have a dvd-r of verbatim download dvd info pro and check the dye on it, i dont have a dvd-r so i can't test it out.

i can't believe memorex dvd-r is worse than princo hahaah wow..

[soulfoot]

here you go :D

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm




very interesting and educational, unless i hear otherwise i'll assume the link and the program know what they are talking about. I generally use whatever is on sale because my wife comes home on black friday (aka day after thanksgiving american capitalist crazy women in lines day) with armfulls of the stuff, as i said i am currently using maxell and notice somtimes there are not quite circular swirls after a burn it is hard to explain and i doubt i could get the lighting right to take a picture of the media, but since this has turned into a media thread i thought i would mention it. It does not seem to affect playing of backed up movies, havent backed up enough Wii games to have it happen for one of them yet.

interesting the program i dentifies as : RITEKG05

now that is funny, so i guess maxell sold its "brand" to RiTek and allows them to put Maxell on their disks, its 2nd rate so for some - buyer beware :)

now i wonder how often that happens, thanks for the interesting program

<--- stumbles off to find better dvd's for his wii

upon further investigation of the site, at the bottom it has a branding guide which confirms that my maxells were made by ritek

[Gazza123]

I use a Wiinja deluxe.


Media is either RiDisc or Verbatim burned at 16x, never had a problem with anything.

[t0lerence]

using TDK and is working like a charm!

[numms]

I searched for this and found alot of threads, but none with an answer. I modded my wii yesterday(cyclowiz v2,dms,pal) , went perfect(including update).
I had several wii games(ssx, far cry, exite truck) backed up already on verbatim dvd-r. They all worked fine. Then I go and burn MOH on the same verbatim media and low and behold, freezes on nunchuk screen. Now, when I searched for similiar online, I found an answer, that it was the type of media I was using or the speed I burnt it.

Is the wii that touchy about what media you use for each back-up?

Does burn speed really matter for one back-up, if all the other back-ups are fine?

Do we have an online database to share (a) what media will work with each back-up and (b) at what speed is optimal for burning or is every wii different and a back-up that wont work on my wii, works on someone elses'?

Any input would be great.

I've got the cyclowiz and have used the cheapest DVDs money can buy. I burn them all at 8x and haven't had a problem with one yet at that speed. There were two games that didn't work, but reburning them at the exact same speed with the same cheap-ass dvds worked. I honestly don't really think the media and burn speed really much matter. Again, this is my experience, some people will tell you differently. My suggestion would be to try reburning the disk a second time, if that doesn't work, try a slower burn speed. I have no reason to believe that the brand of dvds you're using matters.

[TheLaw]

I did re-burn at 8x and it worked fine. My wife picked me up some memorex at work and just for pig iron I tried that too at 8x and it worked. It may have just been a bad burn but it's 8x all the way from now on. I have burned 5 different games at 8x since MOH on different media and they all worked.

Thanks for all the insight into dvd media etc

[numms]

I did re-burn at 8x and it worked fine. My wife picked me up some memorex at work and just for pig iron I tried that too at 8x and it worked. It may have just been a bad burn but it's 8x all the way from now on. I have burned 5 different games at 8x since MOH on different media and they all worked.

Thanks for all the insight into dvd media etc

Glad to hear it, happy gaming.

[ASSPOP]

very interesting and educational, unless i hear otherwise i'll assume the link and the program know what they are talking about. I generally use whatever is on sale because my wife comes home on black friday (aka day after thanksgiving american capitalist crazy women in lines day) with armfulls of the stuff, as i said i am currently using maxell and notice somtimes there are not quite circular swirls after a burn it is hard to explain and i doubt i could get the lighting right to take a picture of the media, but since this has turned into a media thread i thought i would mention it. It does not seem to affect playing of backed up movies, havent backed up enough Wii games to have it happen for one of them yet.

interesting the program i dentifies as : RITEKG05

now that is funny, so i guess maxell sold its "brand" to RiTek and allows them to put Maxell on their disks, its 2nd rate so for some - buyer beware :)

now i wonder how often that happens, thanks for the interesting program

<--- stumbles off to find better dvd's for his wii

upon further investigation of the site, at the bottom it has a branding guide which confirms that my maxells were made by ritek


Ritek's are very good media, they are class 2 dye, but class 2 & 1 are the best media you can get. Maxell's are great also, some have prodisc dye and some have ritek dye, both are very good.

I used to use riteks with my ps2, they worked every time.

don't worry thats the way its supposed to look, even on verbatim's which have 1st class dye, you can see circles on the bottom of the disc, i usually see them on movies that i burn.

[Topher84]

Oddly enough, you DO get bad burns sometimes regardless of whether or not it says success. In my experience any burn speed works as long as you use decent media but I have had to re-burn a few just b/c it turned out bad.. Maybe my burner is going ? hehe Just make sure you test the iso before you delete the file :)

[borbeatss]

OK except Asspop, all of you sound like nub cakes. Why do you think anyone ever recommended burning at slow speeds?. Because DVD's do have a success rate, sometimes they just don't work. Burning at slow speeds gives you a better quality burn and ups your percentages and thats it. Don't burn a disc faster than 4x. There's no better way to put it.

[Robotron]

Nice link there ASSPOP.
I was wondering why my TDKs from Costco only worked half the time.....now I know. They're 4th class garbage media. So glad I bought 200 of them.....damn.

My Verbatims are 1st class so I am going to buy some non-dual layer versions today and test them out (from the same source).


I checked about half of the media I have bought and I was amazed to find out that 99% of it is garbage media. Brand names don't mean sh1t.

Thanks again ASSPOP....good link.

[numms]

OK except Asspop, all of you sound like nub cakes. Why do you think anyone ever recommended burning at slow speeds?. Because DVD's do have a success rate, sometimes they just don't work. Burning at slow speeds gives you a better quality burn and ups your percentages and thats it. Don't burn a disc faster than 4x. There's no better way to put it.

Ok, say what you want, but I'm 27/30 with using cheap media at 8x. Kinda hard to argue with that kind of success rate imo. I've said in every post I've made that people here will disagree, but that's been my experience.

[brywalker]

I burn everything at like 16x - 18x.

100% success rate.

I am using Sony media right now, I used Memorex too with no problems.

I used a NEC 3540a, 3550a, 7173s.

I have no idea what everyone's problem is.

[Robotron]

I burn everything at like 16x - 18x.

100% success rate.

I am using Sony media right now, I used Memorex too with no problems.

I used a NEC 3540a, 3550a, 7173s.

I have no idea what everyone's problem is.

I have the same NEC as you and it does a great job, but there really is a lot of crap media out there. My TDKs were garbage (since they were TDK in name only).
I picked up some Verbatim DVD-Rs today and checked them out. 1st class media and everything I burn works great now. My other games worked, but some wouldn't show any problems until I was part way into the game.