Multi Disc Support

[gargoyle67]

Hi,

With the new 1.1 bios i noticed that it has iso support, does this mean i can burn say 4 game iso's on one DvD disc and then play the games still in there iso format from the Disc ?.


Thanxs.

[Xboxmodder999]

I'm pretty sure thats not they mean. I should be installing a Qoob later today, and I have some multiboot disc's that I use with my Viper GC, I can try a couple of them and see if they play(I really don't think thats what they are talking about though).

[Arakon]

multidisk = multiple disks = games with more than 1 disc.

multigame disk = disk with multiple games.
the latter isn't supported YET, but will be eventually.

[Xboxmodder999]

I really don't think that the Qoob is ever going to support multgame discs, but I would like to be wrong, I don't think that I will be though.

[gargoyle67]

So what prog do you use to burn multi games on 1 dvd disc ?.

[Hajaz]

iF Arakon sais it will be implemented im sure it wil. he's beta testing for Qoob afaik

[Arakon]

I'm no beta tester, but I do know some people (i.e. at shops)

[katz]

so does the 1.1 Qoob BIOS support games like Resident Evil 4 ??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Xboxmodder999]

Originally posted by katz
so does the 1.1 Qoob BIOS support games like Resident Evil 4 ??? :confused: :confused: :confused: '

Yes, but Cobra also supports that game...

What Qoob supports is 2 disc games like mgs, and tails of symphonia, which do not save at the end of the first disc, and allow you to turn the gamecube off and start with the second disc.

[katz]

Originally posted by Xboxmodder999
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Yes, but Cobra also supports that game...

What Qoob supports is 2 disc games like mgs, and tails of symphonia, which do not save at the end of the first disc, and allow you to turn the gamecube off and start with the second disc.

So your saying RE4 asks you to save when you finish the first disc? Thus you can save the game, turn the system off, turn it back on with disc 2 in, and it will load your save game.

But games like mgs, and tails of symphonia DO NOT allow you to save before swapping the disc, but yet the qoob allows you to swap the disks and continue on playing? But the COBRA dosnt ?

Just need to verify, thanks xboxmodder999!:)

[Xboxmodder999]

Correct, but Cobra will also soon allow you to play to play the 2 disc games that don't save at the end of the disc(I'm betting in the next bios release, which could be in as little as a week or so).

[katz]

Cheers!

Im wanting to buy a chip, but dont no which one. What do you think xboxmodder? Qoob or VIPER ?

[Xboxmodder999]

I have both chips, and I can honestly say that unless you are going to really use the extra flash size of the Qoob(unlikely), to go with the Viper. It is $15 cheaper, has multigame disc support, and built-in cheat system(fun to mess around with). Of course it is up to you, though:)

[katz]

Thanks mate for your help :D

[gulliver]

@ katz - same here the extra features and cheaper price tag make the viper the better buy in my opinion.

[crocchio]

I HAVE 1 vIPER BUT I'LL BUY 1 QOOD....
BUY 1 QOOD I THINK IT IS BETTER!!!(FOR ME)

[catweazel]

Originally posted by crocchio
I HAVE 1 vIPER BUT I'LL BUY 1 QOOD....
BUY 1 QOOD I THINK IT IS BETTER!!!(FOR ME)





profound.




:)

[gulliver]

Originally posted by catweazel
profound.




:)

Lol - yeah, very inciteful :rolleyes:

@ Crocchio - is there any particular reason why you think it's better? Reasons are usually what help people decide.

[cubenoob]

Seems like the qoob has features that viper hasnt atm and vice versa. If you would like to play games that dont save at the end then its qoob, but its most likely that viper will have that in their next release. What I´m missing with qoob is that it dont have cheat system so you could play RE4 the second run faster. The 4MB ram size is interesting if the emulators get better so you can run an emu in form of a .dol file directly off the chip and load roms from dvd. But afaik this isnt supported by both chips yet. What is possible to load another bios like the gcos into it. (homebrew bioses rule) :D

[gulliver]

Originally posted by cubenoob
Seems like the qoob has features that viper hasnt atm and vice versa. If you would like to play games that dont save at the end then its qoob, but its most likely that viper will have that in their next release. What I´m missing with qoob is that it dont have cheat system so you could play RE4 the second run faster. The 4MB ram size is interesting if the emulators get better so you can run an emu in form of a .dol file directly off the chip and load roms from dvd. But afaik this isnt supported by both chips yet. What is possible to load another bios like the gcos into it. (homebrew bioses rule) :D

I wouldn't suggest people to buy a qoob if they wanna play the 2nd disc of games, because as you said yourself, viper will have this very soon as well. I'd also like to point out, right now, yes, qoob has more space and would be better for emus. But as you also said, neither chip has good emu support yet and for all we know, by the time it does (if ever) the viper might support memory card loading for all we know.

[Xboxmodder999]

@cubenoob

It is actually 2MB, not 4MB, as 8bits = 1 byte, so 8 million bits(8Mbit) = 1 million bytes(1MByte). And the Qoob has a 16Mbit/2MByte flash.

[cubenoob]

yeah it was a mistake I dont know where the 4 mb came from. It must be 2 mb due to the binary system.

Edit: Now I know I was in mind with some xbox chip that has 4mb. :p

[gargoyle67]

I read on maxconsole that the sx has more memory than the pro, but from what your saying it hasn't.

[gargoyle67]

sorry plz disregard it's the other way round, oops =/

[Hajaz]

one difference between Qoob and Viper is that Qoob is that Viper will never be able to do ftp flash for some reason. I forgot the technical details but it apperantly Qoob patches the original ipl correctly (like tmbinc's chip), while Viper overwrites it (if i remember corrctly).
this results in the bba still functioning as normal under Qoob.
this is why (from what ive been told) Viper cant do networkflash. It might also mean a built in ripper is impossible (not sure on that one)

[crocchio]

Hi ,sorry for bad english but i came from italy,i have mod my gamecube with Viper chip(70 euro) in december (27 december)one of the fist...;-)!!!
Why i think that is better?Only because have memory more large than Viper...only for this ,and have ,today ,1 bios better than Viper.Only for this
Bye and sorry for bad lenguage

[Xboxmodder999]

Originally posted by crocchio
Hi ,sorry for bad english but i came from italy,i have mod my gamecube with Viper chip(70 euro) in december (27 december)one of the fist...;-)!!!
Why i think that is better?Only because have memory more large than Viper...only for this ,and have ,today ,1 bios better than Viper.Only for this
Bye and sorry for bad lenguage

Good to know your oppinion :)

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Hajaz
one difference between Qoob and Viper is that Qoob is that Viper will never be able to do ftp flash for some reason. I forgot the technical details but it apperantly Qoob patches the original ipl correctly (like tmbinc's chip), while Viper overwrites it (if i remember corrctly).
this results in the bba still functioning as normal under Qoob.
this is why (from what ive been told) Viper cant do networkflash. It might also mean a built in ripper is impossible (not sure on that one)

Hmmm...but this doesn't make sense (the built-in ripper) because GCOS runs on Viper with a built-in ripper so there's no reason that cobra couldn't do it. At least I don't see why not.

[Hajaz]

like i said, im not sure about the ripper, but from the explanation i heard the qoob does handle things more elegantly, and allows the ba to function better. its not bios related, it has to do with the wires

i think its explained on dextrose.com's forums somewhere

[gulliver]

Hmmm...that's odd because I've never had a problem ripping a game with viper. Even games that had a lot of scratches made perfectly good images. Except for mario tennis that was scratched to hell, but that's a whole different issue altogether.

[Hajaz]

OK, ive gone and asked Arakon, who knows alot more about Qoob then me anyway:


<Arakon> cleaner patching of the original bios
(about Qoob)

<Arakon> viper occupies the bus, while viper bios runs, nothing can access BBA etc


not sure what the deal is with gcos off viper, i'll ask around

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Hajaz
OK, ive gone and asked Arakon, who knows alot more about Qoob then me anyway:


<Arakon> cleaner patching of the original bios
(about Qoob)

<Arakon> viper occupies the bus, while viper bios runs, nothing can access BBA etc


not sure what the deal is with gcos off viper, i'll ask around

Thanks for the info, but there's still something that's confusing. If nothing can access the BBA while the bios is running, then why can we rip images while the bios is running?

[Hajaz]

thats actually after the dol's been loaded. Viper disables itself as soon as its booted the dol/game iirc

[Xboxmodder999]

Originally posted by gulliver
Thanks for the info, but there's still something that's confusing. If nothing can access the BBA while the bios is running, then why can we rip images while the bios is running?

Yeah, when I had GCOS flashed to my Viper, I used the built-in ripper to backup over 20 games, so I don't see why a Cobra bios wouldn't be able to do it.

Oh and Hajaz, I am not questioning you personally, so don't be offended:)

[Hajaz]

i'm not, its just that ive heard this from quite a few people who know their stuff

[Xboxmodder999]

Maybe it won't work the way that the Cobra bios handles the patching, but it's deffinantly not because of the Viper. Because when you flash the Viper with GCOS.vgc, it loads it the same way as it does the Cobra bios.

[Hajaz]

we'll see if they manage to implement ftp flash.

if they do that ill be happy since id like to keep my case closed for a while now that ive got mini dvds working well

edit: heres tmbinc's take on it


<tmbinc> viper goes into "stealth" mode and can't be accessed anymore
<Hajaz> after its initially loaded the bios you mean?
<tmbinc> yes
<tmbinc> qoob has CS line connected, too
<tmbinc> so it's silent when the BBA/memcard is accessed (vs. bios)
<Hajaz> so, flashing over ftp wouldnt be possible right?
<tmbinc> viper doesn't know
<tmbinc> yes exactly
<Hajaz> right ok, cheers :)

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Hajaz
we'll see if they manage to implement ftp flash.

if they do that ill be happy since id like to keep my case closed for a while now that ive got mini dvds working well


Same here, I tried my first mini and it works great:) It has low errors as well. I plan to try burning some more later in the week. The only problem is that I want an indigo case to swap with my black one. Hopefully something will come up on ebay with a decent price.

Actually, if Cobra manages to implement mem card support, we won't even need a built-in ripper. Now that would rock:D