Qoob 1.1 [Archive] - MaxConsole Forums

Hajaz

04-21-2005, 04:00 PM

- qoob BIOS v1.1 -
21th of april, 2005
This is the v1.1 final.
FEATURES:
- Direct boot of all media (including DVD+R),
without swapping!
- Fastboot of both original and backups
(this time with autodetection for original games)
- Disc swap support!
- Less DREs than older BIOS!
- Disc browser for ISO9660-DVDs, supporting
Joliet for running homebrew .ELF/.DOL files
- Disc check feature
- All the usual stuff
- Network support, look below!
We tried a small DRE work around, but this of course doesn't
fix your media. If you have DRE problems, please try checking
the disc with the integrated disc check (hold 'A'). If you
get errors here, you *have* a media problem. We try working
around this, but this won't fix the root of the problem.
--------------| A small statement to the Cobra-Team:
Fine, now we got to some point. You ripped our stuff (audio-
fix for certain), and we feel fine about that. Protections
are there to be broken, though we made it a bit easy this time.
Expect some improvements when we have new valueable stuff.
(We made the "read offset" compatible to cobra 1.0, in case
some software requires this.)
That said.
The new windows software has support for directly flashing ELF
and DOL files. The next paragraph shouldn't be required anymore,
but for the people interested:
--------------| Some small technical information:
All flashed "blocks" have a 0x100 bytes header which looks like:
00....03 ID (either "(C) " for a .GCB file or "ELF\0"
and ELF, more (like DOL and BIN) to come soon)
04....f7 description, will be shown in boot menu
f8....fb reserved
fc....ff size (in bytes), must be multiple of 64k
If you have flashed an elf file, it should appear in the boot menu,
so you can run it.
--------------| About the network support:
IP address is currently hardcoded to 192.168.1.32. This should fit
most people. (Hint: Even Windows supports more than one IP address
per network adapter. No need to break your network.)
We will make this configurable in the next version, don't worry.
Network support comes from tmbinc's fine IPL replacement (thanks,
man!). We removed GPL'd parts before (especially the gc-linux based
network driver) and replaced them with own. LWIP's license is
BSD-styled and tmbinc's stuff is public domain, as he stated. We
hope it's ok, but we would had done it in a very similiar way, so
we better used the time to improve it than to reinvent the wheel.
This only applies to the network stuff. Everything else was
completely recoded by our team.
Supported stuff is:
- DOLUP (upload dol/elf on port 4000 - no bin yet)
- HTTP ("/DVD" for ripping discs)
--------------| About the game disc swap support:
This support won't be 100%, but it should work for most of the
unplayable games.
The lid switch will be autodetected - if you leave the lid open
while booting, it's ok - you won't be able to swap discs then.
If you have the lid closed, you can open it while playing and swap
the disc.
When closing the lid again, it takes some seconds until the drive
continue reading again. It will take ~20 seconds or so. Don't worry.
We try to fix this for sure, but we think it's ok.
--------------| About the audio fix
this bios has - since ever - an integrated audio fix. Some people
have messed up their backups with "fixing" the data so it works
with older bios which don't fix the audio streaming. We feel a bit
sorry for these people, so in this release you can press 'START'
while booting to disable the builtin audiofix.
Please, people, don't mess with your GCMs! Most things will only
make things worse, not better.

Hajaz

04-21-2005, 04:17 PM

Ein GCOS-like Ripper ist ebenfalls vorhanden, Backups können also direkt mit dem Chip gemacht
werden.. B halten, dann per Webbrowser auf http://192.168.1.32/DVD gehen und speichern.
Geschwindigkeit wie gehabt, ca. 600-900 kb/s.

translation: theres an intgrated ripper too now

Xboxmodder999

04-21-2005, 04:27 PM

I can hardly wait till my Qoob gets here tomorrow, this new release has the main thing that was still missing(DOL/ELF flashing to the chip). The built in ripper is also cool, I really liked that with GCOS, and wish the Cobra had it.

Hajaz

04-21-2005, 04:29 PM

yep, lets hope cobra can implement it too... they should have enough space left for it. this new bios is only a few KB larger then Qoob 1.0 rc5

(edit: looks like flashing over network isnt possible on the viper... doh)

Xboxmodder999

04-21-2005, 04:31 PM

They can, it's just if they choose to, or do other features instead.

crumpster

04-21-2005, 04:47 PM

Wow, this made me feel better about blowing 65 on the chip. The qoob is the most expensive modchip i've ever bought and I was starting to think I wasted some $$$. Dunno when my chip will get here, it says it arrived in usa yesterday at 11am. Maybe today? I doubt it, knowing my luck.

Xboxmodder999

04-21-2005, 04:57 PM

Mine arrived in the USA, at 3AM this morning, I live in Utah, so it should get here tomorrow.

Oh, and do you honestly think that $65 for a modchip that allows you to play burned games could be a waste? Sure it's the most expensive modchip(for any console), but I have made"back-ups" 20+ games, just think about how much that would have been to get them at $30-$50 each. Just "back-up" 2-3 games and it is payed for.

gulliver

04-21-2005, 05:03 PM

Hajaz, just outta curiousity, where did you find this release? Cuz I didn't see it on the maxconsole homepage in the news. Has anyone tested it to see if it's real?

Btw...when was it proven for certain that cobra ripped their audiofix? I must've missed that if it was ever talked about before.

Hajaz

04-21-2005, 05:10 PM

i got it from gamefreax.de, an official qoob reseller, so i'm sure its legit.

theres not much proof of anyone stealing anything, but itll always look suspicious if you implement a feature a week after your competitor does i guess :D
Not that i care, aslong as i get the features i want

Xboxmodder999

04-21-2005, 05:13 PM

Who cares if they did use Qoobs method, as Qoob is fine with it if they did, and in the last bios release NFO, they actually gave them permission to do so.

gulliver

04-21-2005, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Hajaz
i got it from gamefreax.de, an official qoob reseller, so i'm sure its legit.

theres not much proof of anyone stealing anything, but itll always look suspicious if you implement a feature a week after your competitor does i guess :D
Not that i care, aslong as i get the features i want

I don't really care anymore either. Of course it looks suspicious. I just find it pretty bold to actually says "we KNOW you ripped the audiofix." Bah, anyway, whoever tests it out, post if the multi-disc swap actually works.

Hajaz

04-21-2005, 05:24 PM

Arakon tested it.

"Swappen mit MiniDVDs geht jetzt (getestet von mir in ToS, MGS), dauert etwas länger als mit
Originalen. Wenn der Deckel beim Einschalten auf ist, ist der Swap hack deaktiviert (geht nicht
anders).. wer also den Deckel ablässt, der muss nen Schalter am lidswitch einlöten:
"

translation:
swapping with minidvds works now (ive tested it with ToS and MGS). It takes a bit longer then with originals.
When the lid is open at bootup the swap hack wont work (no other way)
so if you have no top on your cube youll have to manipulate the lidswitch manually

basically, it looks like theyre triggering the chip to reperform the drivehack whenever the lid is opened and closed, allowing you to swap disks

AceMilo

04-21-2005, 05:28 PM

Well we know that anything that can be done on a qoob can be done with viper/cobra, so if they indeed released 2 disc support, than we should have a cobra release within days and I will be happy :).

Hajaz

04-21-2005, 05:31 PM

Mental Cube were working on it anyway, so it shouldnt be long.

hrtlnd

04-21-2005, 05:34 PM

This is legit.. Swapped disc perfectly, took about 30 seconds to read.. It also read originals without the need to switch to the original BIOS, on the old version I had to go to the original BIOS to boot.. An advantage is, now I can put my Action Replay DOL file on qoob, boot that, enable codes, start copied game.. (In theory.. Ill let you know).. And people moan about cobra being better because of Code support. If this boot method works for AR, Then It's equally as good.

pulz

04-21-2005, 06:13 PM

I must say, this looks promising :)

I just mentalcube can handle an multi disk support, or else i have to think about changing chip :)

hrtlnd

04-21-2005, 06:16 PM

Get qoob anyway in another cube, I have Viper and Qoob, but qoob is what I use most.. 1.1 works good, but its funny with some games still whereas qoob is fine. I had a bit of drama, because I brought a 2nd hand cube and the laser was weak, but Ive replaced it with my burnt out cubes laser.. Let that be a lesson, dont buy 2nd hand cubes..You never know how worn the laser is..

gulliver

04-21-2005, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by hrtlnd
Get qoob anyway in another cube, I have Viper and Qoob, but qoob is what I use most.. 1.1 works good, but its funny with some games still whereas qoob is fine. I had a bit of drama, because I brought a 2nd hand cube and the laser was weak, but Ive replaced it with my burnt out cubes laser.. Let that be a lesson, dont buy 2nd hand cubes..You never know how worn the laser is..

Not everyone has two cubes. What do you need two for anyone, just outta curiousity.

Xboxmodder999

04-21-2005, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by gulliver
Not everyone has two cubes. What do you need two for anyone, just outta curiousity.
I also have two gamecubes, the second one that I have is made up of two broken ones. A guy said that he had two broken gamecubes that he would sale to me for $20, and I knew that I could make one working one out of them, so I could resist :). I am glad I bought them now, as I have a Qoob soming in the mail, and I will install it in the second one. That way, I have the best of both chips.

import_tuner

04-21-2005, 06:38 PM

Sweet. So one of the main features for this is the multi disk swap? ie Tales of Symphonia and MGS Twin Snakes?

I have a quick question regarding the built in ripper. What does this allow one to do? Is this similar to the GCOS where you can stream and rip the games from the GCN to your PC?

Also do any of you think there's a chance of Qoob being able to play multi game discs like the Viper? Damn that would be sweet, one of the reasons (Well at the moment only reason) I'm considering a Viper, otherwise I'm pretty much for Qoob.

Also anyone know where I'd be able to get this chip modded? I don't really trust myself so much regarding soldering chips and such..... I've done soldering and such on car electronics, but this is a bit different I think...... and when are those Team Xecutor cases coming out!?!? :D

Oh and how would I be able to tell what version GCN I'd be picking up? I'm planning on picking up a used one and would like to know what version is good and how to ID it.......

Sorry for the questions, I'm still a relative noob in the whole GCN scene. ;) (I didn't want to start a whole new thread regarding questions....... that'd seem like a waste of space. Someone can PM me with info if possible. Thanks! :) ) PS: I've taken a look at the FAQ.... learned some good **** there. ;) Very Helpful.

Xboxmodder999

04-21-2005, 06:51 PM

@ Import_tuner

have a quick question regarding the built in ripper. What does this allow one to do? Is this similar to the GCOS where you can stream and rip the games from the GCN to your PC?

Yes, I think that it is pretty much the same thing.

Also do any of you think there's a chance of Qoob being able to play multi game discs like the Viper?

I don't think so, I think there are going to be features that they won't borrow/take from each other, and this is one of them.

Also anyone know where I'd be able to get this chip modded?

I mod both gamecubes, and xbox's, and will install the chip of your choice. I charge $25 for the install, and the price of shipping back to you(about $12). YOu can order the chip, and send it with the GC, or I can order it, and you include the money for the chip in the payment. If you are interested, let me know, and I will give you my feedback and refs.

Oh and how would I be able to tell what version GCN I'd be picking up? I'm planning on picking up a used one and would like to know what version is good and how to ID it.......

There are two versions, DOL -001(which as a digital out for componet cables), and DOL-101(which doesn't have the digital out), both are the same qaulity wise. YOu can see which one it is, by looking above the serial number through the gamecube box when purchasing. By the way, DOL-101's are the newest gamecubes.

import_tuner

04-21-2005, 06:55 PM

Thanks for the quick response! I'll get back to you in a bit for sure. :D

cubenoob

04-21-2005, 07:54 PM

Damn these guys were really quick. Cant wait to flash the new bios. I had a few problems with soldering *looks embarassed* but I think I´ll solve them in a few hours :D The solder points looked so big on the pics but when I opened my GC i was like wtf:p

Vollstrecker

04-22-2005, 01:34 AM

did the qoob 1.1 bios supports multidiscs?

hrtlnd

04-22-2005, 02:39 AM

What do you mean "Multi Disc" do you mean, Games with 2 discs which you have to swap between to continue Gameplay, or the Cobra 2 ISOs on one disc "Multi Disc"?

Vollstrecker

04-22-2005, 04:27 AM

no i mean more than 1 game on a dvd.

Vollstrecker

04-22-2005, 07:50 AM

is it now possible to use AR with gamecopys?

crocchio

04-22-2005, 08:23 AM

Hi i have 1 Viper on my gamecube but it don't support multidisc game(game that are 2 dvd)....i'd like know:This bios support this game ?can i palay RE0 and RE remake?
With Viper i cannot :-(.....i'd buy 1 qood if it support multidisc game !!!tank's

Hajaz

04-22-2005, 08:52 AM

yes with this bios you can (if you have a QOOB)

However, expect a new Cobra bios soon witch will do the same

edit: major typo

crocchio

04-22-2005, 11:43 AM

Can i use this bios v1.1 on Viper chip?

hrtlnd

04-22-2005, 11:46 AM

qoob bios is for qoob chips only.. cobra bios is for Viper chips only.. Volstreck, I have yet to check, I dont use AR codes with my games. But ill check anyway...

Hajaz

04-22-2005, 11:48 AM

um. no i meant Qoob, sorry

Xboxmodder999

04-22-2005, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by crocchio
Can i use this bios v1.1 on Viper chip?

No, it's encrypted for use only in the Qoob chip. Have you flashed Cobra 1.1 to your chip yet?

TheKing

04-22-2005, 12:40 PM

The Qoob chip just getting nicer & nicer. I just installed a Viper a few days ago and I think I'm beginning to regret my choice. I should have gone with the Qoob. When Qoob was first announced, people were saying they stole code from Cobra. Now, I don't believe Qoob stole anything from Viper/Cobra. The Qoob developers has proved themselves to be more talented. First, they came up with stream music fix which took the Cobra team a decade to figure out (or did Cobra stole it from Qoob?). Now, new Qoob bios 1.1 has multi-disc game support. Who knows when Cobra will add this support, maybe another decade? Qoob team is just keep surprising us with new goodies. Maybe I should sell my Viper modded GC and get a new GC with Qoob.

crocchio

04-22-2005, 12:41 PM

I have flash cobra 1.1...it is ok,but the problem is that i cannot play with multidisc game,i can play only firs disc :-(

Hajaz

04-22-2005, 12:46 PM

dont worry. it shouldnt take too long before cobra has multidisk support. if the last release is in anything to go by, it could be within the week

gulliver

04-22-2005, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by TheKing
The Qoob chip just getting nicer & nicer. I just installed a Viper a few days ago and I think I'm beginning to regret my choice. I should have gone with the Qoob. When Qoob was first announced, people were saying they stole code from Cobra. Now, I don't believe Qoob stole anything from Viper/Cobra. The Qoob developers has proved themselves to be more talented. First, they came up with stream music fix which took the Cobra team a decade to figure out (or did Cobra stole it from Qoob?). Now, new Qoob bios 1.1 has multi-disc game support. Who knows when Cobra will add this support, maybe another decade? Qoob team is just keep surprising us with new goodies. Maybe I should sell my Viper modded GC and get a new GC with Qoob.

It would be pretty lame and a waste of money to sell your modded cube, buy a new cube and buy a qoob chip. Once you do all that, multi-disc will already be supported for viper.

Why are you dissatisfied anyway? Both chips work great as long as you know what you're doing.

Xboxmodder999

04-22-2005, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Hajaz
dont worry. it shouldnt take too long before cobra has multidisk support. if the last release is in anything to go by, it could be within the week

Yeah, it won't be long before it's added. I personally would rather have multiboot(more then one game on a disc), then multidisc support. There are a lot more people that will take advantage of multiboot, then there will be that take advantage of multidisk game support. If I was one of the Cobra BIOS coders, I would of done the same thing, multiboot first, multidisc after. If they never implemented multidisc support, then I would be somewhat regret my purchase, but I know they will implement it, and probably in the next release.

gulliver

04-22-2005, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Xboxmodder999
Yeah, it won't be long before it's added. I personally would rather have multiboot(more then one game on a disc), then multidisc support. There are a lot more people that will take advantage of multiboot, then there will be that take advantage of multidisk game support. If I was one of the Cobra BIOS coders, I would of done the same thing, multiboot first, multidisc after. If they never implemented multidisc support, then I would be somewhat regret my purchase, but I know they will implement it, and probably in the next release.

I agree 100%. Multi-boot works great and saves a lot of dvd blanks. As far as multi-disc, yeah, I think it's a make or break thing with the viper. If not all games are playable, then the chip fails. With that said, I'm sure cobra team's working pretty hard to get this out. I'd give it one - two weeks:D

TheKing

04-22-2005, 02:00 PM

I haven't really decided to sell my Viper modded GC yet. I guess I'll wait a couple of weeks to see how everything goes. To me, multi-disc support is much more important than multi-iso. I'm using full size DVD+R discs for my cube and they're dirt cheap, costing 25 cents each. My Gamecube seems to like these discs and never give me any DREs. Currently, the multi-iso maker is very buggy and I don't want to use it until it can reliably create isos.

gulliver

04-22-2005, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by TheKing
I haven't really decided to sell my Viper modded GC yet. I guess I'll wait a couple of weeks to see how everything goes. To me, multi-disc support is much more important than multi-iso. I'm using full size DVD+R discs for my cube and they're dirt cheap, costing 25 cents each. My Gamecube seems to like these discs and never give me any DREs. Currently, the multi-iso maker is very buggy and I don't want to use it until it can reliably create isos.

Whichever you think is more important isn't really relevant because viper will have multi-disc support soon. I can garauntee that. And the multi-game support isn't buggy at all anymore. The bugs were fixed in cobra 1.1 and it works great now for pretty much everyone that's tried it.

TheKing

04-22-2005, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by gulliver
Whichever you think is more important isn't really relevant because viper will have multi-disc support soon. I can garauntee that. And the multi-game support isn't buggy at all anymore. The bugs were fixed in cobra 1.1 and it works great now for pretty much everyone that's tried it.

I tried to create my first multi-iso disc with 3 games on it tonite. One of the game didn't work. After trouble-shooting, I discovered that the multi-iso just randomly corrupt data with zeros when creating the target iso. This doesn't always happen, but you can never tell when it is gonna to do that. See my other post on the issue below.

http://forums.maxconsole.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5424

gulliver

04-22-2005, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by TheKing
I tried to create my first multi-iso disc with 3 games on it tonite. One of the game didn't work. After trouble-shooting, I discovered that the multi-iso just randomly corrupt data with zeros when creating the target iso. This doesn't always happen, but you can never tell when it is gonna to do that. See my other post on the issue below.

http://forums.maxconsole.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5424

I had one game mess up on my 5-game disc, but does it really matter? I have 4 games on one disc and I still saved 3 blank dvds. They may not be all that expensive anymore, but it's great to be able to save them for burning dvd movies and whatnot. Plus your collection of GC backups takes up considerily less space.

TheKing

04-22-2005, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by gulliver
I had one game mess up on my 5-game disc, but does it really matter? I have 4 games on one disc and I still saved 3 blank dvds. They may not be all that expensive anymore, but it's great to be able to save them for burning dvd movies and whatnot. Plus your collection of GC backups takes up considerily less space.

The point is not 1 broken game out of how many or how many disc you can save. The problem is the multi-iso tool can't do its job reliably. Simply testing the game for a few or 10 minutes may not reveal the broken game as only a small part of the game is corrupted, not the whole game. Some months later, when you're almost finish the game, you may end up hitting the corrupt data and you're stuck.

Xboxmodder999

04-22-2005, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by TheKing
The point is not 1 broken game out of how many or how many disc you can save. The problem is the multi-iso tool can't do its job reliably. Simply testing the game for a few or 10 minutes may not reveal the broken game as only a small part of the game is corrupted, not the whole game. Some months later, when you're almost finish the game, you may end up hitting the corrupt data and you're stuck.

Agreed, but that is not a problem with the Cobra bios, which is what we are really talking about. Cobra/Viper has nothing to do with the multigame iso maker, which is at fault, not the BIOS.

gulliver

04-22-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Xboxmodder999
Agreed, but that is not a problem with the Cobra bios, which is what we are really talking about. Cobra/Viper has nothing to do with the multigame iso maker, which is at fault, not the BIOS.

Good point, plus, other programs that do a better job will come out I'm sure.

hrtlnd

04-22-2005, 06:18 PM

Qoob admitted to using Anaconda, but I genuinely beleive the drive code has been their own all along.. Cobra just wanted a cry for not being the first no swap.. Knowing them, on Cobra 1.2 NFO they will say the multi disc swap was stolen by qoob from a "leak"

Xboxmodder999

04-22-2005, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by hrtlnd
Qoob admitted to using Anaconda, but I genuinely beleive the drive code has been their own all along.. Cobra just wanted a cry for not being the first no swap.. Knowing them, on Cobra 1.2 NFO they will say the multi disc swap was stolen by qoob from a "leak"

I highly doubt that they will say anything of the sort. Also Cobra was the first public no-swap, so I think that they are infact the first no swap chip.

tencheenian

04-22-2005, 09:34 PM

I just played naruto 3 which i could play it smoothly without any problem with bios 1.0 RC5. Unfortunately, this game wont work with qoob 1.1, i think i m going to flash it back to 1.0 RC5. Can anyone tell me how to use the ripper in qoob 1.1 to backup my original games?

is it due to the iso didn't process by FSTFIX?

but it worked fine on 1.0 RC5

LHospital

04-23-2005, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by tencheenian
I just played naruto 3 which i could play it smoothly without any problem with bios 1.0 RC5. Unfortunately, this game wont work with qoob 1.1, i think i m going to flash it back to 1.0 RC5. Can anyone tell me how to use the ripper in qoob 1.1 to backup my original games?

is it due to the iso didn't process by FSTFIX?

but it worked fine on 1.0 RC5

same thing here, mine was UBD release, fixed with FSTFIX. Crash when i boot with 1.1 but work fine with rc5.

Kola

04-23-2005, 02:20 AM

I've had a similar prob, dbz sagas crashes at any boss sequence with 1.1 but works fine with rc5. What I've done is flash rc5 onto some space on the qoob and kept 1.1 in the bios. Then if I wanna play dbz I just run the 1.0 bios from the chip and launch the game.

tencheenian

04-23-2005, 02:23 AM

so, you mean flashing 2 bios on the same chip and using the suitable bios for different games?
Sound good for me , i will give it a try then~!

tencheenian

04-23-2005, 02:28 AM

is it possible to transfer a GC save file from computer to GC by using this qoob 1.1 without the USB memory adapter?

hrtlnd

04-23-2005, 03:31 AM

qoob bios was released i think within the same week as cobra 1.1 either before or after... thats some pretty fucking fast coding if qoob stole it! and they made an improvement.. I genuinely think, qoob stole nothing, and cobra wanted to cry..and Yes, qoob is the first modchip to come with no swap on it.. with viper, you have to flash it, and the first bios for viper didnt have no swap.

gulliver

04-23-2005, 03:46 AM

I've never heard of people just bitching to themselves in these forums. Can't you just do that in your head - lol. Oh well, to each his own;)

Kola

04-23-2005, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by tencheenian
so, you mean flashing 2 bios on the same chip and using the suitable bios for different games?
Sound good for me , i will give it a try then~!

Yep, exactly.

glzip

04-23-2005, 10:59 AM

Well.... when do we get our AR support, doesn't look like Qoob BIOS ver 1.1 supports it yet, although 1.1 is some damm fine work.
Tried booting AR original & AR backup, no go.

I hope Qoob Team reads these boards, I think i'd rather have AR support first before the coming MP3 feature.

Cmon Qoob Team.... give us AR support like the Viper users have.

Xboxmodder999

04-23-2005, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by glzip
Well.... when do we get our AR support, doesn't look like Qoob BIOS ver 1.1 supports it yet, although 1.1 is some damm fine work.
Tried booting AR original & AR backup, no go.

I hope Qoob Team reads these boards, I think i'd rather have AR support first before the coming MP3 feature.

Cmon Qoob Team.... give us AR support like the Viper users have.

Just so you know, there are going to be some features that are chip exclusive. I believe that multigame discs, is going to be one of those, and most likely the built in cheat/AR codes is also going to be one of those.

Qoob might make their bios compatible with the AR disc(if thats even possible), but I doubt that they will have the built in cheat cheat system.

gulliver

04-23-2005, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Xboxmodder999
Just so you know, there are going to be some features that are chip exclusive. I believe that multigame discs, is going to be one of those, and most likely the built in cheat/AR codes is also going to be one of those.

If this is true then what could qoob implement that cobra isn't? I don't see them topping anything as good as built-in cheats or multi-game discs. They're two of my favorite features the Viper has.

Xboxmodder999

04-23-2005, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by gulliver
If this is true then what could qoob implement that cobra isn't? I don't see them topping anything as good as built-in cheats or multi-game discs. They're two of my favorite features the Viper has.

Those are also my favorite features, but like Qoob siad in the NFO for 1.1, they will be putting really good protection on their bios's in the future that have good feature's, so they must be thinking of something.

gulliver

04-23-2005, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Xboxmodder999
Those are also my favorite features, but like Qoob siad in the NFO for 1.1, they will be putting really good protection on their bios's in the future that have good feature's, so they must be thinking of something.

Yeah, but the thing is, I can't think of anything else that would matter. I don't care about media players or mp3 players; that's what my dvd player's for;)

Johnneke

04-23-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by gulliver
Yeah, but the thing is, I can't think of anything else that would matter. I don't care about media players or mp3 players; that's what my dvd player's for;)

the multi disc is a good example, yes probably viper will have this sometime soon, and well as for the qoob pro, I'm sure sooner or later there will be some kind of ar support, but imo what they have then with multi disc games is much more important then what viper has established with there multiboot and ar support, these are extras, multidisc games is something that is NEEDED for certain games. Btw I cant see how you come to say that multiboot is such a important feature for a chip like the viper since I havent saw something like that on a xbox/ps2 modchip, yes the possibility is there but its not modchip related on these consoles, its just a extra that most people wont be using, although it can be nice to run multiboot discs with emus but well qoob can do this to just in another way. Btw why is AR so important for so many people? Is it so important to cheat on a game, yeh I use a walkthrough or something once in a while but I wont need a AR for that :D

gulliver

04-23-2005, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Johnneke
the multi disc is a good example, yes probably viper will have this sometime soon, and well as for the qoob pro, I'm sure sooner or later there will be some kind of ar support, but imo what they have then with multi disc games is much more important then what viper has established with there multiboot and ar support, these are extras, multidisc games is something that is NEEDED for certain games. Btw I cant see how you come to say that multiboot is such a important feature for a chip like the viper since I havent saw something like that on a xbox/ps2 modchip, yes the possibility is there but its not modchip related on these consoles, its just a extra that most people wont be using, although it can be nice to run multiboot discs with emus but well qoob can do this to just in another way. Btw why is AR so important for so many people? Is it so important to cheat on a game, yeh I use a walkthrough or something once in a while but I wont need a AR for that :D

Actually, we're not even talking about features that are important. We're only talking about extras that are exclusive to Viper and if qoob will ever have any. Of course multi-disc support is important, but this is something the Viper will have which is why it doesn't count as a bonus feature.

Viper doesn't have what I would consider "ar support." To me that's just means that you can use the ar disc. Built-In ar is a whole different story, but that's just a technical issue.

Actually most people will and are using the multi-game disc feature. It saves a ton of blank dvds as well as space for your backup collection.

As far as cheats, this has been gone over so many times but I'll enlighten you anyway. Not everyone uses cheats so they can easily beat games. Most people use them for their replay value. They add a lot to multiplayer and when you wanna beat a game a second time for fun. Plus, if you have like 100 backup games, you'd have to be a complete loser to actually go through all of them and beat them all without cheats. With many games I have burned, I just play for fun so I'll cheats to beat it because I don't care. But the games I really like and play for a challenge (zelda, mario, RE, etc.) I would never use cheats my first time beating them.

Btw...I'm sensing a hint of jealousy from you;) You just seem upset that people would even want these features the viper has, when in reality they're great features. But then again, you didn't notice we were only talking about bonus features. Maybe that's why it seemed like that;)

glzip

04-23-2005, 03:58 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gulliver
[B]Actually, we're not even talking about features that are important. We're only talking about extras.

Viper doesn't have what I would consider "ar support." To me that's just means that you can use the ar disc. Built-In ar is a whole different story, but that's just a technical issue.

As far as cheats, this has been gone over so many times but I'll enlighten you anyway.

Very well put Gulliver!

Johnneke

04-23-2005, 08:45 PM

Well as you should know I have a viper and a qoob gamecube. and I just ordered 2 more ViperGC chips for using, not because it is the better modchip but because of the price difference. So well I wouldnt call it jealousy :D Your indeed talking about the extras but I wonder how you come to think of it that they will remain cobra or qoob exclusives. As you know qoob is planning a media player which isnt a exclusive neither since cobra is working on that to, and I'm just saying that I wouldnt count on it that those multi game discs and BUILT-in AR or whatever you would like to call it will come come to qoob, dont forget the qoob pro has lotsa blank space on the chip and actually I'm quite sure similar addons will follow in the future for the qoob chip. thats all I'm saying. Well and that those extras might be very interesting but really notthing to rate a modchip on

free

04-23-2005, 08:53 PM

@ Import_tuner...

Hey, If your the same Import_tuner from ps2 scene you might remember I sold you some ps2 goodies..Anyway If your still In Vic? I'll install your chip for $25CAN.

:)

Helltick.

This might jog your memory...

import_tuner

04-24-2005, 01:49 AM

OH damn! Helltick! Dude! It's been awhile. :D

Damn, I'm picking up a GCN this summer and I'm planning to mod it then. Hmm... maybe I'll send it over or something. I'm leaving Vic in a few days, going back home. I'm just waiting on the Team X cases... that is if they ever come out soon.. ;) Damn that's a pretty sweet installation price..... damnit damnit damnit, why is everything happening after classes end and I'm going home!? :mad:

As usual, that's one sexy piece of hardware there helltick... ;)

gulliver

04-24-2005, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Johnneke
Well as you should know I have a viper and a qoob gamecube. and I just ordered 2 more ViperGC chips for using, not because it is the better modchip but because of the price difference. So well I wouldnt call it jealousy :D Your indeed talking about the extras but I wonder how you come to think of it that they will remain cobra or qoob exclusives. As you know qoob is planning a media player which isnt a exclusive neither since cobra is working on that to, and I'm just saying that I wouldnt count on it that those multi game discs and BUILT-in AR or whatever you would like to call it will come come to qoob, dont forget the qoob pro has lotsa blank space on the chip and actually I'm quite sure similar addons will follow in the future for the qoob chip. thats all I'm saying. Well and that those extras might be very interesting but really notthing to rate a modchip on

It's cool bro. I don't see what they could do with all that extra space though. It seems kinda useless unless you need more than one bios.

One thing that confuses me about what you said is here you say, "I wonder how you come to think of it that they will remain cobra or qoob exclusives." And then you say, "I'm just saying that I wouldnt count on it that those multi game discs and BUILT-in AR or whatever you would like to call it will come come to qoob."

It seems like at first you're wondering why I would think those would be cobra exclusives and then you say yourself that they probably will be exclusive. It's just confusing is all. It's like you're saying "these features won't be exclusive." Then you say "these features probably will be exclusive." Could you just clarify exactly what it is you are saying?

My main question though is that if indeed these are going to be cobra exclusives, what exactly could qoob come up with for exclusives that would be something good that people would like a lot? Because I can't think of anything at all.

Edit: They may or may not be something to rate a modchip on, but they are definitely things that would swing people one way or another. If I'm being completely honest, if I just entered the scene and I saw one chip had built-in AR and multi-game disc support and the other didn't, I would definitely get the one with the extras because I think they're great features. And I think anyone who liked those features as well would also get it.

Johnneke

04-24-2005, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by gulliver
It's cool bro. I don't see what they could do with all that extra space though. It seems kinda useless unless you need more than one bios.

One thing that confuses me about what you said is here you say, "I wonder how you come to think of it that they will remain cobra or qoob exclusives." And then you say, "I'm just saying that I wouldnt count on it that those multi game discs and BUILT-in AR or whatever you would like to call it will come come to qoob."

It seems like at first you're wondering why I would think those would be cobra exclusives and then you say yourself that they probably will be exclusive. It's just confusing is all. It's like you're saying "these features won't be exclusive." Then you say "these features probably will be exclusive." Could you just clarify exactly what it is you are saying?

My main question though is that if indeed these are going to be cobra exclusives, what exactly could qoob come up with for exclusives that would be something good that people would like a lot? Because I can't think of anything at all.

Edit: They may or may not be something to rate a modchip on, but they are definitely things that would swing people one way or another. If I'm being completely honest, if I just entered the scene and I saw one chip had built-in AR and multi-game disc support and the other didn't, I would definitely get the one with the extras because I think they're great features. And I think anyone who liked those features as well would also get it.

What I think is that you first would go and look at what chip plays your games the best atm and when one chip plays all and the other some not you would choose that one normally above the other. Reading it again I noticed I put it wrong indeed, off course I wanted to say that those features WILL come to the qoob I think, but I said the opposite by accident :D

gulliver

04-24-2005, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Johnneke
What I think is that you first would go and look at what chip plays your games the best atm and when one chip plays all and the other some not you would choose that one normally above the other. Reading it again I noticed I put it wrong indeed, off course I wanted to say that those features WILL come to the qoob I think, but I said the opposite by accident :D

Hmmm...well I guess time will tell if those features come to qoob. Once again, I'm a little confused here - lol. What do you mean by see which chip plays your games the best? It sounds like you're saying "buy both chips, try all your games on both, and see which you like better." Now I know you can't be saying that because that would be insane - lol. But if you just mean which games are compatible with which chip, then it's equal between viper and qoob because viper will definitely support multi-disc games very shortly. And if they both play all the games then you gotta go by the features each has;)

Johnneke

04-24-2005, 05:57 PM

Yes true but for now the viper doesnt support it ;) I'm not going to look in the future, we cant be sure that the cobra bios will have it however they probably will, I think all vipergc users should be very happy that qoob came around, who knows when else we would have seen the audiofix and multidisc games :)

Hajaz

04-24-2005, 07:55 PM

i agree. competition is good for owners of both chips, and it pushes down prices too

Xboxmodder999

04-24-2005, 09:06 PM

I agree that compatition is good. I have both chips, and for the average person, the extra memory of the Qoob isn't going to be used, so the extra 15 dollars probably isn't worth it to them, as the Viper has more features that the average person will use(multigame disc's, cheat system), and there is no doubt that it will soon have multdisc games support (I'm gonna even place my bet that it will have it in the next release).

So while the Qoob has alot more memory, and some features that the Viper doesn't(built in game ripper, network flash?), most people will not use these, as they don't have BBA's, and so the extra $15 would be a waste for them.

The Qoob is great for those that have a BBA, and will utilize the bigger flash that it has, but for poeple that don't have those, and just want to play games, the Viper is a great, cheaper, alternative.

Johnneke

04-27-2005, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by gulliver
Hmmm...well I guess time will tell if those features come to qoob. Once again, I'm a little confused here - lol. What do you mean by see which chip plays your games the best? It sounds like you're saying "buy both chips, try all your games on both, and see which you like better." Now I know you can't be saying that because that would be insane - lol. But if you just mean which games are compatible with which chip, then it's equal between viper and qoob because viper will definitely support multi-disc games very shortly. And if they both play all the games then you gotta go by the features each has;)

Here we go, like I said multigame discs now also on the qoob, it was normal to see this coming, well if they would still impleted an ar engine for you cheat ppl viper would have left NOTHING better then the qoob :)