First CycloWiz Upgrade Almost Ready, Impressive Functionality Promised!

[Zeus]

Team Cyclops has posted that their first ever CycloWiz upgrade will be released later this week and will bring some great improvements to their product. Direct booting of imports WITHOUT patching shall be offered, no slow downs and perfect compatibility are all promised! You can buy the CycloWiz now from <A href="http://www.divineo.cn/php/affstart.php?affcode=66623&prod=wii-cwz" target="_blank">Divineo.cn</a> / <A href="http://www.divineo.com/php/affstart.php?affcode=66623&prod=dd-wi-cycwiz2" target="_blank">North America</a> / <A href="http://www.divineo.de/php/affstart.php?affcode=66623&prod=wii-cyclowizz" target="_blank">Germany</a> / <A href="http://www.divineo.es/php/affstart.php?affcode=66623&prod=wii-cwiz" target="_blank">Spain</a> or <a href="http://www.divineo.it/php/affstart.php?affcode=66623&prod=wii-cyclowiz" target="_blank">Italy</a>.


The first CycloWiz upgrade is almost ready! It will be released later this week together with instructions on how to upgrade your chip via DVD. Here are the new features:

- Direct boot of NTSC Wii imports on NTSC consoles (no patch needed)
- Direct boot of PAL Wii imports on NTSC consoles (no patch needed, partial compatibility)
- Direct boot of NTSC Wii imports on PAL consoles (no patch needed, partial compatibility)
- Runs imported GC games (partially without swap)
- Perfect compatibility (100% of games are working)
- Improved read (no more slowdowns)
- Compatible with DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RW and DVD+RW (no bitsetting required)
- Fully upgradable via DVD
- Direct boot of Wii backups
- Direct boot of GC backups
- Direct boot of homebrew in GC mode
- Build-in audio fix (no patch required)
- Compatible with Multi-Disc games
- Stealth mode
- Multi-purpose LED
- Chips supplied in professional ESD packing
- Very easy to install
- It's the real thing, the chip is already shipping!

As you can see, thanks to the upgrade feature of CycloWiz, we'll make sure our customers always have the best chip in terms of features and compatibility.

The installation manual has been translated in seven different languages, check the download section!


Official Website: <A href="http://www.teamcyclops.com" target="_blank">TeamCyclops.com</a>

[AceMilo]

Great news! Can't wait!

[fr3sh]

That means I'll have to solder in the two switch wires for programming functionality. :p

[Happsai]

This sounds great. I love how PAL can play on NTSC now.

I'm still hesitant from doing this upgrade for a couple reasons:

1) I don't want to mutilate my wii (for a switch) or have to open it up for a soldering job everytime there's an upgrade. The screws are already stripped too much for my comfort.

2) I don't think there's any recovery from a bad flash on my chip. If TeamCyclops makes a mistake, there might be mass brickage going on.

Honestly, I might still be having a bit of buyer's remorse since wiikey overcomes these two fears. Don't get me wrong; Cyclowiz is awesome and I'm generally happy, but wiikey has a couple of extra comforts (when upgrading) that really make me wish I waited a week.

[hydr0san]

sounds great,

now if only my cyclowiz came in, divineo sent me a "has been shipped" email 2 weeks ago, and my chip hasnt showed up yet (shipped via regular mail)...i ordered a M3 simply from them 4 days after cyclowiz and that showed up on saturday...ugh!) damn divineo :(

[11111]

^every single person gets their crap late from divineo. when i order i make sure the place is in the US or you get screwed. i can barely stand getting my developmental tools 2 days after i purchase it. 2 weeks i'd stab someone.

sounds good. if cyclowiz keeps updating regularly then they can have a strangle hold for the wii scene.

[carloshgdv]

This is awesome, cant wait. Hopefully all goes well with the update. The inclusion of RW support and partial NTSC support for PAL is awesome. The only thing left is mult-image games.

Im scared of bricking the chip though, so I'll wait a bit to see what ppl say.

What I would really like though is a compatibility list from them

[adzix]

ahhh , i cant wait.
glad i already installed a switch in my wii. without mutilating it at all by the way... it's using one of the holes on the bottom from the air vent.
if anyone wants, i'd take a pic, too.

[foobar2k]

1) I don't want to mutilate my wii (for a switch) or have to open it up for a soldering job everytime there's an upgrade. The screws are already stripped too much for my comfort.

I have my micro slide switch stealthily mounted in the fan base, barely visible. I hardly call it mutilating the wii. Get creative, find a way to do it nicely. Hardly an excuse.

How on earth did you strip your screws? Buy a decent driver set.

2) I don't think there's any recovery from a bad flash on my chip. If TeamCyclops makes a mistake, there might be mass brickage going on.
Mass brickage?? I doubt it, the upgrade is only flashed to the cyclowiz not the dvd drive. If it breaks, remove the chip!

[magind]

I too have gotten 2 packages 3 weeks late from Divineo. But that's another thread.

The improvements are actually really a disappointment. Half of those should have been there on launch and the other are eh...

On a side note, can anyone confirm %-wise, how the PAL imports are doing on NTSC machines, and can NTSC machines now play most PAL domestics, too?

Cant wait for my 'key!

[Happsai]

I have my micro slide switch stealthily mounted in the fan base, barely visible. I hardly call it mutilating the wii. Get creative, find a way to do it nicely. Hardly an excuse.
I'm not much of a modder and my creativity experiments usually end badly, but I'll think about the air vent idea.

How on earth did you strip your screws?
It was the triwing I got from ebay. I paid $13.50 for shipping and it took over 2 weeks (for a friggin' envelope). And the damn thing got DULL after its first couple of screws. If it was allowed here, I'd be bashing a certain ebay seller right now.

Mass brickage?? I doubt it, the upgrade is only flashed to the cyclowiz not the dvd drive. If it breaks, remove the chip!
True. The worst that SHOULD happen is that the chip becomes a dud (note the word 'should'), but the way I see it, TeamCyclops has only one shot with their users here. If their upgrade has a bug and I have to remove the chip.... ...hello wiikey. Other Cyclowiz users would probably do the same just for the safer route.

[apexi350z]

All these "promises" sounds great, hope they can come through...

[SideFFect]

It was the triwing I got from ebay. I paid $13.50 for shipping and it took over 2 weeks (for a friggin' envelope). And the damn thing got DULL after its first couple of screws. If it was allowed here, I'd be bashing a certain ebay seller right now.

You, my friend got fcuked by paying 13.50 for a screwdriver in an envelope...

Never rush and order stuff off of ebay w/out checking/reading all the little print!


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[magind]

You, my friend got fcuked by paying 13.50 for a screwdriver in an envelope...

Never rush and order stuff off of ebay w/out checking/reading all the little print!


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Thats hilarious, can those triwing things be purchased locally at a home depot or lowes or something, too?

[ModderFokker]

you dont need a switch just connect both wires together when you want to upgrade the chip.

Mine are taped on the bottom of the wii. ;)

[Happsai]

Thats hilarious, can those triwing things be purchased locally at a home depot or lowes or something, too?
Nope. I would have done that if I could've. The screwdriver sold for one cent, and the rest was shipping. As hard as it is to believe, this was the best deal I could find at the time, and except for the price, it all seemed good. I just didn't think the guy would wait a whole week before actually shipping it via USPS. I only chose this guy because he promised superfast shipping--had the cyclowiz LONG before my triwing as a result.

Guess I got ripped off twice over...

//would not buy from seller again F---------
///Sorry, I know this kind of converstaion doesn't belong in this thread.

[LenLen]

A big THANK YOU to team cyclops, and a Mountainous SCREW YOU to all those bastards that seemed to *know* that it wasn't upgradeable.

I've been sitting on installing my chip for a week for fear it wasn't upgradeable.

The anonymity of the internet may hide you, but not your stupidity and arrogance.

[pl3x007]

lol wiinja beat ya to it cycloteam also wiinja has recovery mode

sucks to be u dont it?

[magind]

lol wiinja beat ya to it cycloteam also wiinja has recovery mode

sucks to be u dont it?

lol, owned. What does recovery mode do?

[Avenger]

A big THANK YOU to team cyclops, and a Mountainous SCREW YOU to all those bastards that seemed to *know* that it wasn't upgradeable.

I've been sitting on installing my chip for a week for fear it wasn't upgradeable.

The anonymity of the internet may hide you, but not your stupidity and arrogance.
Before talking trash you might want to wait for the update to actually come, and for confirmation it actually works without damaging anything.

[whackawookie]

lol wiinja beat ya to it cycloteam also wiinja has recovery mode

sucks to be u dont it?

how did wiininja beat them to it? the first cyclowiz since shipment has been upgradeable it took wiininja 3 versions to finally add that

[PSPWAD]

lol wiinja beat ya to it cycloteam also wiinja has recovery mode

sucks to be u dont it?
Yay for having to buy a new Wiinja chip to get those features :p!

Edit: 99% of consumers are fucking morons....

[foobar2k]

lol wiinja beat ya to it cycloteam also wiinja has recovery mode

sucks to be u dont it?

Erm how on earth can it have a recovery mode if it is just a PIC like before!?

Surely it will have as much chance of recovery as cyclowiz does.

The only one that looks like it might have a safe upgrade mode is wiikey.

[noikz]

A big THANK YOU to team cyclops, and a Mountainous SCREW YOU to all those bastards that seemed to *know* that it wasn't upgradeable.

I've been sitting on installing my chip for a week for fear it wasn't upgradeable.

The anonymity of the internet may hide you, but not your stupidity and arrogance.

Yeah a big screw you to all those doubters. Time to download the update.. oh wait a second, where is it? I'm sure they said "a few days" ... about 3 weeks ago?

[modojojo]

A big THANK YOU to team cyclops, and a Mountainous SCREW YOU to all those bastards that seemed to *know* that it wasn't upgradeable.

I've been sitting on installing my chip for a week for fear it wasn't upgradeable.

The anonymity of the internet may hide you, but not your stupidity and arrogance.
I've been sitting on my cyclowiz also. I preordered a WiiKey from foundmy, but I doubt the WiiKey will make It to consumers by the end of the week. If this update comes out, It looks like I'll be installing the cyclowiz.

[AceMilo]

Yeah a big screw you to all those doubters. Time to download the update.. oh wait a second, where is it? I'm sure they said "a few days" ... about 3 weeks ago?

No, they said they would show a video or some other proof if necessary, they never said the update would be out "in a few days". Now they have said it will be out by the end of the week, so as of now, they never lied.

[lenselijer]

I still dont see the update file where the wiinja chip already has the update file released :D

[darkmc667]

I still dont see the update file where the wiinja chip already has the update file released :D

How many people have the Wiinja Deluxe and have tested this update file?

People are arguing over which chip's upgrade system is better without even having tested any of them. Correct me if someone has tested both of them.

[whackawookie]

How many people have the Wiinja Deluxe and have tested this update file?

People are arguing over which chip's upgrade system is better without even having tested any of them. Correct me if someone has tested both of them.

pretty sure the wiininja delux hasn't even shipped yet let alone arrived at anyones house

[magind]

How many people have the Wiinja Deluxe and have tested this update file?

People are arguing over which chip's upgrade system is better without even having tested any of them. Correct me if someone has tested both of them.

Atleast it's posted and public. I duoubt they would release BS this time...:D

[noikz]

No, they said they would show a video or some other proof if necessary, they never said the update would be out "in a few days". Now they have said it will be out by the end of the week, so as of now, they never lied.

Have you got a link for the video?

[AceMilo]

Have you got a link for the video?

They only said if necessary, it wasn't necessary, so they didn't bother. I'd rather them spend the time on the update myself, but thats just me. The proof is in the pudding and after the update is released, we're good to go.

[chinook]

Can anyone tell me what they mean by "partial compatibility" on booting imports?

[sl4y3r]

IMO they were just waiting to see how long before there was other public code released, because they knew it will be ripped out of their update very quickly.

At this point the code is pretty much worthless, so we get our update yay:D

[magind]

They only said if necessary, it wasn't necessary, so they didn't bother. I'd rather them spend the time on the update myself, but thats just me. The proof is in the pudding and after the update is released, we're good to go.

And who and how was it deemed unecessary? Another line of BS from these guys... I mean, why OFFER a proof video, then turn around and deem it unnecessary and just ask everyone to wait anyway...

*cough*more mc/cyclo gayfest*cough*

[AceMilo]

And who and how was it deemed unecessary? Another line of BS from these guys... I mean, why OFFER a proof video, then turn around and deem it unnecessary and just ask everyone to wait anyway...

*cough*more mc/cyclo gayfest*cough*

Um, I dunno, maybe because an actual update is better proof than a video?

[Q*bert]

And who and how was it deemed unecessary? Another line of BS from these guys... I mean, why OFFER a proof video, then turn around and deem it unnecessary and just ask everyone to wait anyway...

*cough*more mc/cyclo gayfest*cough*

Jeez... Get a life.:rolleyes:

[whackawookie]

And who and how was it deemed unecessary? Another line of BS from these guys... I mean, why OFFER a proof video, then turn around and deem it unnecessary and just ask everyone to wait anyway...

*cough*more mc/cyclo gayfest*cough*

wow your a winner. You should put your hand down now because being special doesn't mean you have to show the world

[LilaQ]

You can not blame people for bitching against TCs methods and promises. In fact, it's the third time I see this "in the next days" from them. Last week I (personally!) received an email from them, the update would be available by the end of the week. The week is over, and all I / we got is another homepage update with another promise. Don't get me wrong, I'm really waiting for this update to fix my semi-working drivechip, but TeamCyclops is sorta playing with their customers.

Greetz,

LilaQ

[LenLen]

Um, I dunno, maybe because an actual update is better proof than a video?

Agreed, though it would be great if a video was posted showing the update feature in action simultaneously with the release of the update.

Their site says that instructions would be posted on how to do it; I'd rather watch it done and copy than try to understand 2d instructions.

[coadyj]

A big THANK YOU to team cyclops, and a Mountainous SCREW YOU to all those bastards that seemed to *know* that it wasn't upgradeable.

I've been sitting on installing my chip for a week for fear it wasn't upgradeable.

The anonymity of the internet may hide you, but not your stupidity and arrogance.

hey lets not jump the gun, the have been promicing this for about 3 weeks now.

I havent had one single problem with wiinja, oohh i have to run a 2.5 sec patch to achieve same results as cyclowiz, I..

1) dont have a horrible switch on my wii.
2) have been playing all the games since they were released.
3) dont have to worrie about fucking up a upgrade.
4) didnt have to pay €40 for the chip

the whole pay for a mod chip is bs and when chiips turns out to be the best one you can all eat you're shoe.

[grabb]

Their site says that instructions would be posted on how to do it; I'd rather watch it done and copy than try to understand 2d instructions.

So you're saying not only do you require a video to instruct you, you need it to be in 3D?! This crowd has gotten pretty demanding as of late:D

[norry]

Can't see the big improvement myself, but that's just me personally. The region free thing is trivial and the image can be patched offline pre-burning (only done once, takes seconds). No idea why anyone would want to use any media other than the cheapest that works (DVD-R, a few pence each, and if those don't work, in the long run you should consider buying a new burner). The GC region-free direct booting (on some titles) I imagine is done in the same way, and so could be pre-patched, but you can always use GCOS anyway, so no biggie.

Not seeing a lot else, and I don't see a lot more coming in the future from any of these firmware patchers (-insert long list of virtually identical patchers currently on sale-).

Let's hope we get a real mod-chip sooner rather than later, and not be in the position of the x-box 360 where tiny bits of functionality are added over months but ultimately offers no great advance over v1.0.

The guys who truly manage to crack the Wii will have the Wii scene sewn up, these firmware patches will wither on the vine if a real mod-chip is developed - and it may be Team Cyclone who develop it :) I just hope someone does!

[LenLen]

hey lets not jump the gun, the have been promicing this for about 3 weeks now.

I havent had one single problem with wiinja, oohh i have to run a 2.5 sec patch to achieve same results as cyclowiz, I..

1) dont have a horrible switch on my wii.
2) have been playing all the games since they were released.
3) dont have to worrie about fucking up a upgrade.
4) didnt have to pay €40 for the chip

the whole pay for a mod chip is bs and when chiips turns out to be the best one you can all eat you're shoe.

sigh. this thread and my comment weren't about wiinja at all. If you're trying to sell wiinja to someone, post is somewhere else.
I want an upgradeable chip. That is why I got Cyclowiz.
Gratz on enjoying your games atm. Even more if Nintendo don't block the chip somehow. Still, a useless post.

[Ev06]

After seeing the news on the cyclops website yesterday, I went out and bought a new soldering iron, some flux and a switch.

So I decided to strip my wii again tonight.

Got it all apart, added the switch (haven't mounted it to the wii, just have it connected to wires and hanging out the back) and then thought ah well in for a penny in for a pound, so fitted the disable wire as well.

Couldn't believe it when I tested it and everything still worked.

Just hope they come through with the update now :D

[GTluver]

It was the triwing I got from ebay. I paid $13.50 for shipping and it took over 2 weeks (for a friggin' envelope). And the damn thing got DULL after its first couple of screws. If it was allowed here, I'd be bashing a certain ebay seller right now.



would u pm me what seller u got it from? As I am shopping for a decent wii driver set on ebay and dont wanna stumble upon the same seller as u did. TIA.

[patelnet]

Foundmy.com has the best Triwing screwdriver out there...its a bit pricey with shipping but TOTALLY worth it as its long, and has a nice grip on the screw, along with a twirly top to help it rotate quickly

for anyone wishing to know, the model on the handle says: SMTE-838 (3.0x4.0)

(BTW I am not affiliated with Terry, I just really like his choices in suppliers)

Cheers!

[GTluver]

thanks for the fast reply. How is their shipping times? quick? decent? so-so? Im in the midwest(usa)

[patelnet]

pretty decent...he is based in Alberta, but from what I know, he also has a shipper from the US, so you will not incur any duties, etc. Should be less than a few days...i got my cyclowiz stuff in 2 days and I live in Toronto. He uses Fedex as well for everything.

Cheers,

[corsasri]

well it looks like friday is nearly heare. and will we see this update tomorrow ?

[Avenger]

well it looks like friday is nearly heare. and will we see this update tomorrow ?
Don't hold your breath, it keeps getting delayed. It was supposed to be the end of February, now the end of the week. Don't count on it.

[whackawookie]

Don't hold your breath, it keeps getting delayed. It was supposed to be the end of February, now the end of the week. Don't count on it.

and when it comes out are you going to hold your breath or think of some other reason to comment

[Avenger]

and when it comes out are you going to hold your breath or think of some other reason to comment
Read his post. He asked if it is likely to come tomorrow. Given their history and track record, I would say no is a safe answer. If and when it comes out I will believe it then. I am not getting my hopes up right now.

[funny_718]

hey guys i know that teamcyclops have been sayin that there are gonna to put out an update for 3 weeks now but the only thing i can think of is that they are tryin to make it as save as possible so just be patient no other chip really has an update as far as i know so i really dont see the problem.

[coadyj]

hey guys i know that teamcyclops have been sayin that there are gonna to put out an update for 3 weeks now but the only thing i can think of is that they are tryin to make it as save as possible so just be patient no other chip really has an update as far as i know so i really dont see the problem.

No other chip has needed one.

[foobar2k]

Stop second guessing each other and moaning about who's chip is the best. You are all just looking for a way to justify your purchases.

If cyclowiz update they will update (I dont see any reason why they wouldn't), delays are inevitable just have some patience.

And those saying "cyclowiz wont provide an update" how the dickens do you know this for a fact, you don't, so be quiet.

Delays and incompatibilities are the price early adopters must pay, but early adopters also seem to be the most impatient. Sit back, have a beer and wait.

Or maybe go and play some wii... :)

[LilaQ]

Well then they shouldn't give a time when they "will" release it for 3 fucking times and then just don't fulfill this promises.

[Jetleg]

Hey m8s.

Should i buy the wiikey (Sounds greatest at the moment), or should i buy a cyclowiz? Are they really promising 100% working backups here?.

[foobar2k]

Well then they shouldn't give a time when they "will" release it for 3 fucking times and then just don't fulfill this promises.

Don't get your panties in a bunch.

[xllzerollx]

if anyone needs any screw driver, i ordered acces pro tool kit from mod-chip.com, it haves screw drivers for every console, when i ordered it was already out of stock,(so it was a preorder then) and received an email saying they will be ready for the end of next week, because they made a v2 of the kit, to include the wii tools
and it was only 18$ i think, i know it was less that 20, and shiping is like 5$ for priority mail, is way better than buy srewdriver from ebay for 15$ + s/h
Hey m8s.

Should i buy the wiikey (Sounds greatest at the moment), or should i buy a cyclowiz? Are they really promising 100% working backups here?.

well, if we go for support, wiikey team released the setup disk even before ppl got the chip, cyclowiiz have been promising an update(wich wiikey already haves) for some time now, and they just keep changing dates

[Jetleg]

Yeah, i think i'll go for the Wiikey. Thanks for the advice.

[whackawookie]

if they release an update that doesnt add good enough features people complain, if they release an update that isnt perfected and causes dead chips people will complain. instead they are making sure everything is ready for a good release. wouldnt you rather have an update worthy of being an update not getting an update just to get an update

[xllzerollx]

it would be better if they say, "we are working on an update"
not "there will be an update tomorow"
then "not ready yet, next week"
then, "woops, not yet, waite a little longer"

but whatever you like better
just my opinion, not saying it is crap or anything, the team just did wrong on it, i know its better to get a quality update, but like i sayd, is better not to give dates until is done

[corsasri]

well like we all thought no............ update end of the week :(

[SpanKie]

well like we all thought no............ update end of the week :(


On my calendar, Friday is not the end of the week. Which calendar do you use?

[rvvisse]

lol... they've been about 2-3 days late on about everything they've promised... but they have always pulled though. I've got the faith.

Side note: I don't really care because I'm getting my chip this coming week and it's already got the new flash on it. ;)

[noikz]

$1000 says it's not here by Sunday. ;)

[patelnet]

$1000 says it's not here by Sunday. ;)

i accept paypal.

though I don't see how your going to pay everyone on this forum

cheers

(please haters, leave your hate at the door)

[noikz]

i accept paypal.

though I don't see how your going to pay everyone on this forum

cheers

(please haters, leave your hate at the door)

Tick tock tick tock, I should be in for a nice bonus soon.

On my calendar, Friday is not the end of the week. Which calendar do you use?

Most reputable companies regard Friday as the end of the "working week".

[Kian82]

$1000 says it's not here by Sunday. ;)
i raise by another 1000 and bet that there wont be any update and teamcyclops enjoys the honolulu beach

[Basta]

can wii call this a fake announcment?

[setch]

HI

To be fair end of the week is either today or tomorrow depends on what they class as end of the week so anohter 36 Hours and the deadline is over.

I have a version 1 cyclowiz and am loving it so far apart from the 2x read speed problems, so this update is fairly important to me, and should be fairly important to them as well.

after all the previous flaws and failed promises i think they need to get this update out as i think for alot of people including me this will be the last straw, and i will rip out my cyclowiz and get another chip.

I feel people have been patient and given them a fair amount of time to get it out, but another broken promise is not going to do anything for their name in the scene.

Anyway im sitting here waiting for the update in hopes that it will come.

Good luck teamcyclo its only your rep on the line, dont fail us again !!!

Just my 2p's worth :p

Setch

[brywalker]

I wonder how much money they made.

Enought to cut and run? Just curious.

I really hope this update comes out. I don't want to spend money on another mod and just throw this one in the trash.

[foobar2k]

I wonder how much money they made.

Enought to cut and run? Just curious.

I really hope this update comes out. I don't want to spend money on another mod and just throw this one in the trash.

There is no reason for them not to bring out an update. If they bring out an update, which is technically possible as demonstrated by wiinja (which is basically identical), then they will get MORE sales by not only having a market-leading feature set, but also showing willingness to support current users.

The key issue is that Team Cyclops are not being very clear/honest about how long it really takes to make an update. Why would they lie? Just to get a few more sales? I doubt it, they will be looking at the big picture.

[noikz]

It's past midnight in the far east. Looks as though they've failed again. ;)

[EpochCT]

There is no reason for them not to bring out an update. If they bring out an update, which is technically possible as demonstrated by wiinja (which is basically identical), then they will get MORE sales by not only having a market-leading feature set, but also showing willingness to support current users.

The key issue is that Team Cyclops are not being very clear/honest about how long it really takes to make an update. Why would they lie? Just to get a few more sales? I doubt it, they will be looking at the big picture.

What market-leading feature set? If anything it's too late seeing as how the WiiKey has already been released and features an equal if not better feature set than the one provided by the yet to be seen CycloWiz update. The WiiKey has also been demonstrated as upgradeable and customizeable already by the use of their setup disk, which also happens to show their increased user support. I see absolutely no reason for someone without a modchip already to buy the CycloWiz over the WiiKey, all the CycloWiz team is doing is playing catchup and they're not doing it very well.

[foobar2k]

What market-leading feature set? If anything it's too late seeing as how the WiiKey has already been released and features an equal if not better feature set than the one provided by the yet to be seen CycloWiz update. The WiiKey has also been demonstrated as upgradeable and customizeable already by the use of their setup disk, which also happens to show their increased user support. I see absolutely no reason for someone without a modchip already to buy the CycloWiz over the WiiKey, all the CycloWiz team is doing is playing catchup and they're not doing it very well.

I agree, personally I would buy a wiikey if i was purchasing now, but if/when the cyclowiz gets upgraded then the featureset will be identical to the wiikey, ie market leading.

[PSPWAD]

I agree, personally I would buy a wiikey if i was purchasing now, but if/when the cyclowiz gets upgraded then the featureset will be identical to the wiikey, ie market leading.
The fact that Wiikey had an update before the chips shipped out, shows they are up on their updates as well...

[Perkele]

It's past midnight in the far east. Looks as though they've failed again. ;)
This doesn't surprise me, they announced proof and an update several times and never came through. Their CycloDS never had an update.

[darkmc667]

Oh well, due to complications my cyclowiz was delayed from the beginning of Feb to next week so I'm getting a chip already flashed with all those updates. But I really would prefer a wiikey but its too late now. I really don't like TeamCyclops but I doubt they would just leave everybody hanging like that.

[Slowking]

Where did you read that the new chyclos are allready flashed with this features? It isn't on their website or anywhere else.

[darkmc667]

Where did you read that the new chyclos are allready flashed with this features? It isn't on their website or anywhere else.

The place I bought it from. (www.cyclowiz.com)

TeamCyclops contacted them on Monday saying they shipped the new chips. But everyone originally ordered this at the beginning of February, due to some problems with paypal, everyone's orders were delayed.

[rvvisse]

Ya I've also gotten my chip from cyclowiz.com and the owner's confirmed that this new batch of chips contains the update that should be released sometime soon... We'll be sure to post the results when we get our chips (should be Friday the 9th of March)

[Tjoho]

Time will tell whats going to happen, either its bullshit talk to sell more chips, or its real. "soon" we know...

[Perkele]

i wonder what excuse they'll come up with for the delay this time.
I'll get a Wiikey this monday and got it cheaper than the Cyclowitz. I'll solder it in with wires so i can sell it when the free modchip code get all features i want.

[Avenger]

i accept paypal.

though I don't see how your going to pay everyone on this forum

cheers

(please haters, leave your hate at the door)
You don't have the cash for that - you are just bitter people are reluctant to pay your $80 install fee :p I am not sure why you are sticking up for them, especially since they have not kept their word or timelines numerous times.

[LenLen]

Sucks to be you guys if you're being paid to advertise the Cyclowiz, since you're all taking the crap from their poor deadline judgement...
If they've shipped a new chip with the added functionality already, then the new code is finished already... so the delay is from... ?
Problems with upgrading the chip?
I hope not... they advertised it was upgradeable, which was the only reason I got it... so I hope they accept replacements if they falsely advertised the feature...
I'm still crossing my fingers that they are just really bad at making timing estimates... like me.
Please, Team Cyclops, issue a new statement tomorrow morning, since your deadline just passed, with an update on the update.

(... I would have been happy with two seperate, close together updates, one with the 6x speed fix, then the next with the features, but that may just be me...)

[splattered]

Its only saturday dude... and even if they released it on monday i wouldnt care. End of the week means "shortly" if you ask me. Im not wiggin out over it... :)

[Pacotera]

Lol

Garyopa already posted long ago that to upgrade the cyclo without briking it would be really hard... so thats why the delay... they are trying to figure out how to make the update safer....

Oh how funny would it be to see a thread "Post here if you briked your cyclowiz" here if they **** up the release lol

But i think it the update is ever released it would be ok...

[dohclude]

well, I hope teamcyclops really comes through for us. I ordered a Cyclowiz from divineo like 3 weeks ago, it took 2 weeks before I got it, and then I realized it was a V1 and I had a D2B chipset :( So after not getting a response from divineo about replacing it with a V2, I got ahold of TeamCyclops and showed them my receipt. They said they had shipped me out a new V2 no questions asked, without me even sending back the V1... only problem is that was about a week ago, and I still haven't received my replacement. Hopefully they will come through for me though, they seemed very nice and helpfull when I contacted them and they were very prompt with replies. I will let you guys know what happens with all this... if anything ever does.:cool:

[maxcxa]

no update...

[noikz]

no update...

no surprise ;)

[foobar2k]

Lol

Garyopa already posted long ago that to upgrade the cyclo without briking it would be really hard... so thats why the delay... they are trying to figure out how to make the update safer....


Actually it would be equivalent to upgrading the wiinja.

[coolcepi]

I just want my Cyclowiz to let mi Wii read at 6x. That is the only extra functionality I want. I don´t need anything more.

By the way, in my opinion, that feature should have been there since day 1.

Shame on you, Team Cyclops

[brywalker]

I just want my Cyclowiz to let mi Wii read at 6x. That is the only extra functionality I want. I don´t need anything more.

By the way, in my opinion, that feature should have been there since day 1.

Shame on you, Team Cyclops

I concur.

It is not a working modchip if it can't play backups like retail. Period.

We were sold shite.

[funny_718]

i think i am losing my faith in team cyclops so like someone said in wiinewz forum "im about to update my cyclowiz!!!! and the update is called wiikey":D

[Basta]

maby with Cyclo v3 you will get the promised update future.

[PSPWAD]

i think i am losing my faith in team cyclops so like someone said in wiinewz forum "im about to update my cyclowiz!!!! and the update is called wiikey":D
LMFAO......

[Puppet]

Their inability to meet a self imposed deadline is very disconcerting.

[PSPWAD]

Their inability to meet a self imposed deadline is very disconcerting.
Personally, I support the Wiikey now. CycloWiz had "potential" but not meeting their deadline is not forgivable IMO. Deliver to your customers what you promise!

[infinity2005]

if garyopa says there wont be an update, i would definitely side with him over this complete joke of a team

[Ev06]

Personally, I support the Wiikey now. CycloWiz had "potential" but not meeting their deadline is not forgivable IMO. Deliver to your customers what you promise!

Agreed, the worse bit is that it is there own deadline that they can't meet.

I wouldn't mind so much, but the other night I went and spent £25 on a new soldering iron, some flux, some decent wire and then spent an hour taking my wii apart again, to fit a switch and the chip disable wire, ready to do this promised update.

Now normally that wouldn't be so bad, but i'm not the best with a soldering iron normally, so this was a big step to take (doing the quick solder is easy, but actually attempting to solder to the reset switch and 1 of the points on the board next to that big main chip is a big risk).

Then it seems that all of it was for nothing.

My chip is a v1, so if nothing else imo cyclops should be looking after the earlier customers more than the later ones, purely because if it wasn't for us, then they wouldn't have lasted this long.

Still I think now they have shot themselves in the foot, and just lost out on what could have been a very good portion of the market.

Hell even the wiifree or wiiskas is a better option now, even if you had to pay for the damn thing, atleast you can reprog them for updates that seem to get released very quickly and they don't seem to suffer with the 2x disc speed problems.

[coolcepi]

Can Anyone confirm that the Cyclowiz V2 comes already with this update?

I mean, can anyone confirm the V2 reads at 6x?

(as I said before, I don´t need any other *extra* feature)

[Slowking]

Why take the risk? wiikey is cheaper and has all the functions you want...

[noikz]

i accept paypal.

though I don't see how your going to pay everyone on this forum

cheers

(please haters, leave your hate at the door)

You were saying?

The mods seem pretty quiet lately too.

[Pacotera]

Totally PWNED lol!!

[EpochCT]

http://patelnet.justgotowned.com/

[setch]

HI

Emailed them this morning to try and get a response, same **** different day.
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Dear Customer,

We working hard at work to provide an upgrade very soon.

Please be patient, you wont be desapointed.

Please visit our web page for more information soon at (( http://www.teamcyclops.com ))

Best Regards
Team Cyclops - Tech Support
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just looks like a standard reply to me, so i replyed with this

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Its not a case of being patient anymore, this is the second or third
Deadline that you have failed to meet. If you are a serious wii modding group then I think you need to get an update on your webpage A.S.A.P
If you plan on ever selling any other products again, don’t be surprised if your sales are poor after all these problems.

Waiting patiently.
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Setch

[Avenger]

http://patelnet.justgotowned.com/
Yeah :p Shouldn't be pushing a chip just because you bought lots of it.

[corsasri]

Yes I Got The Same Reply

[Kian82]

hi guys,
i am member of a german wii board (wii-toolz), and one of our members received a more informative email from teamcyclops.

here is the quote:

Dear ....

We know that many users are waiting for the upgrade and we're doing our
best to release it as soon as possible. We are a few days late on the
deadline, due to last minutes changed to the code that is still needed to
be tested. I can't give you an exacte date, but it will be coming this
week for sure... Our website will be updated.

so another week ;)

p.s.: of course i cannot verify whether this email is indeed from team cyclops but still..

[SpanKie]

an update or not, I'm happy with the chip. With the exception of a little slow down in the games Elebits, everything else has been working great.

[Pacotera]

Now is this week haUAHUA BIG LOL!

[setch]

HI

I can confirm the email that kian82 posted is from teamcyclops as i just got the same one back. SOOOOOO another week we wait, good job im from the UK, we good at waiting in queues etc.

Setch
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Dear Customer,

We know that many users are waiting for the upgrade and we're doing our best to release it as soon as possible. We are a few days late on the deadline, due to last minutes changed to the code that is still needed to be tested. I can't give you an exacte date, but it will be coming this week for sure... Our website will be updated.

We hope this answers your question and that you understand, if you have any more question don't hesitate to contact us again

Best Regards,
Team Cyclops - Tech Support
__________________________________________________ _______________

[PSPWAD]

I bet Duke Nukem Forever comes out first :D!

[foobar2k]

I bet Duke Nukem Forever comes out first :D!
HAHAHA!!!!

[nnndoh]

i can wait, there are not to much games out , and those i like are pal games.
i can wait another week.

[ModderFokker]

I bet Duke Nukem Forever comes out first :D!


ROFL :D :D :D :D

[LenLen]

While that's all well and good, I (like many others) think they should release the 6x read-speed update separate right now.

This is becoming one of those novels a writer never finishes because they can't stop trying to improve it.

Note to TeamCyclops:

Thanks for the product. Next time, make it work correctly with a 1.0 update.
THEN, start adding features a couple at a time (whatever makes logical sense to include in a package, i.e. if you improve compatibility with +r discs, and working on +RW and -RW, go ahead and bundle them together).
But if you start working on a action replay type update, *you don't need to include every code known to man before it's released*.

Please guys, for your own sake, make a separate, complete build of code for each updated feature (also helps in testing) and combine later, if you wish.

You've made a good, albeit flawed product, and while the world is doubting a most basic feature of the chip (the dvd update), putting product sales in jeopardy, meet your clients' BASIC NEEDS before providing luxury. -basic rule of survival.

[splattered]

Their spelling errors scare me a little... ha

[LenLen]

Their spelling errors scare me a little... ha

LOL, yeah. Me too. They need an editor.

Dear Customer,

We know that many users are waiting for the upgrade and we're doing our best to release it as soon as possible. We are a few days late on the deadline, due to last minutes changed to the code that is still needed to be tested. I can't give you an exacte date, but it will be coming this week for sure... Our website will be updated.

We hope this answers your question and that you understand, if you have any more question don't hesitate to contact us again.


Change it to this guys:

Dear Customers,

We know that many users are waiting for the Cyclowiz update and we're doing our very best to release it.

We are a few days late on our deadline, due to last minute changes to the code that still needed testing.

We're sorry that we can't provide an exact date, but it will be released this week, barring unforseen circumstances. A separate team is compiling a separate code for the DRE issues if the outlook for a full release this week becomes (again) impossible.

Our website will be updated regularly with constant updates on the progress of our work.

Thank you for your patience, and for your business.

[EpochCT]

Nah, they should just come out and say it like this:

Dear Customers,

LOL.

Thanks for your misguided trust and money, bye!

[Basta]

just only some words to sell some more chycloshits and after that the release cyclo v3 with new ic and then they can update by dvd.

[LenLen]

God help the poor Mods here... I bet they know what the Sony PR crew feels like now!

[brywalker]

God help the poor Mods here... I bet they know what the Sony PR crew feels like now!

HAHHAHA!

I'm ordering a Wiikey.

[apexi350z]

as much as I want the update, I am thinking it can't be done. I doubt they are working to finishing up the codes, but they are having trouble updating each chip, with just the extra voltage from our Wii console. Please Team Cyclowiz, prove us wrong!

As a backup, I am getting a Wiikey to replace my v1 cyclowiz chip...

[wadsy]

think i might go ahead and cancel my order for the cyclowiz it doesn't look like its coming just like the update for the cyclowiz.

[PSPWAD]

God help the poor Mods here... I bet they know what the Sony PR crew feels like now!
yup.......

[mizunoX]

What's the big deal with this update anyways?

I've got 7 backups working well on questionable media...

My gamecube's Viper chip cost more than twice as much and never worked with anything but the best media, and even then would give DREs from time to time...

At $40 this thing was a good price and has worked 100% for me so far..

[EpochCT]

First Step = Denial.

"Who needs the update anyway? The chip is perfect. Updates suck, they are so overrated."

[PSPWAD]

First Step = Denial.

"Who needs the update anyway? The chip is perfect. Updates suck, they are so overrated."
These kinds of posts are unnecessary as it is JUST flame bait. I know there is a lot of disappointment with this chip, but taunting others is NOT acceptable. THIS IS A WARNING!

[apexi350z]

What's the big deal with this update anyways?

I've got 7 backups working well on questionable media...

My gamecube's Viper chip cost more than twice as much and never worked with anything but the best media, and even then would give DREs from time to time...

At $40 this thing was a good price and has worked 100% for me so far..

Please read more here: http://www.teamcyclops.com/news.html

- Direct boot of NTSC Wii imports on NTSC consoles (no patch needed)
- Direct boot of PAL Wii imports on NTSC consoles (no patch needed, partial compatibility)
- Direct boot of NTSC Wii imports on PAL consoles (no patch needed, partial compatibility)
- Runs imported GC games (partially without swap)
- Perfect compatibility (100% of games are working)
- Improved read (no more slowdowns)
- Compatible with DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RW and DVD+RW (no bitsetting required)

================
So far I am having problem with Excite Truck, and Rayman Raving Rabbids. I believe this upgrade "should" fix these two games.

[SideFFect]

Doesn't anyone remember the discussion about how it's impossible that you could update the chip w/ a dvd?

I think Cyclowiz is just stretching this out in hopes of getting more buyers...


- SideFFect -

[AceMilo]

Doesn't anyone remember the discussion about how it's impossible that you could update the chip w/ a dvd?

I think Cyclowiz is just stretching this out in hopes of getting more buyers...


- SideFFect -

It's not impossible, its never been proven impossible and many ppl have proven it could be done just fine.

[coolcepi]

Hi guys. I know there was people wondering if this Cyclowiz V2 already includes the update being developed. The answer is NO

I wrote this to support@teamcyclops :

Hi guys, I´ll be brief:

Do the Cyclowiz V2 include the update you are preparing? because
I bought 10 of them and I was wondering if I was going to have to
update them before selling them.

Keep up the good work


Here is what I got in response:

Dear Koho

You will probably have to UPGRADE...

Best Regards,
Team Cyclops - Tech Support

So V2 does not come with that upgrade fellas. It is confirmed :mad:

Damn! I just wanted it to be able to read at 6x. Is that a lot to ask? :confused:

By the way, I got today in the mail 10 Cyclowiz V2 and 3 triwing screwdrivers.... hope they come wit that upgrade soon (and crossing my fingers for it to work)

Cheers!

[Bizquick]

has anyone at maxconsole personaly seen this update and work? You guys did review the product so I assumened you also installed it as well.

[mehoo]

It's not impossible, its never been proven impossible and many ppl have proven it could be done just fine.

Having plopped down the cash for a cyclowiz with hopes of the update, care to link me to where people prove it CAN be done?

all i hear is the opposite and i have yet to SEE anything.. except moer and more delays...

[coadyj]

These kinds of posts are unnecessary as it is JUST flame bait. I know there is a lot of disappointment with this chip, but taunting others is NOT acceptable. THIS IS A WARNING!

Well maybe if max console did promote the chip so much, there wouldnt be any disapointment.

"A couple of day" thats what team cycolps should put on their gravestones.

How come wiinja V2, has no problems at all, god even v1 only had a few dre's cyclowiz should be layed down to rest already.

I hear wiikey is pretty good.

[Pacotera]

It's not impossible, its never been proven impossible and many ppl have proven it could be done just fine.

LOL

Name 3 persons that proved that it could be done just fine huahAUhaUAH

I can name GaryOPA , a veru well respected coder that proved that if possible, very difficult and dangerous to brick the flash :)

[whackawookie]

LOL

Name 3 persons that proved that it could be done just fine huahAUhaUAH

I can name GaryOPA , a veru well respected coder that proved that if possible, very difficult and dangerous to brick the flash :)

you ask him to name 3 yet you name one. If you would look you would even see wiikey developers say that its possible but they put it down because theres no restore function to recover from a bad flash. Don't put down the cyclowiz just because you think you know things. Everybody put down the viper when it was announced then in due time people realised who was actually behind the chip. TeamCyclops might just be a respected team who knows exactly what there doing

[coolcepi]

Update on time or not, I satill think the V2 should have the upgrade included...

[mehoo]

you ask him to name 3 yet you name one. If you would look you would even see wiikey developers say that its possible but they put it down because theres no restore function to recover from a bad flash. Don't put down the cyclowiz just because you think you know things. Everybody put down the viper when it was announced then in due time people realised who was actually behind the chip. TeamCyclops might just be a respected team who knows exactly what there doing


Sorry man but you guys still havent SHOWN me this and thats what im asking for nicely.

if it CAN be done i would like to see someone say that with proof. if it is more dangerous than the wiikey, etc, why?

why does everyone here talk crap and never back it up? its simple... ususally if what you say is true there is proof easily accesible on the web, i just wanna see it to ease my mind.

GaryOPA if im not mistaken is the guy who figured out the hitachi 360 drives.. he flashes firmware.. is that like flashing these mod chips?

i been trollin here for a while and up until recently saw no reason to register but all i ever see is people regurgitating what they read somewhere and it magically never ends up with proof.

[Pacotera]

you ask him to name 3 yet you name one. If you would look you would even see wiikey developers say that its possible but they put it down because theres no restore function to recover from a bad flash. Don't put down the cyclowiz just because you think you know things. Everybody put down the viper when it was announced then in due time people realised who was actually behind the chip. TeamCyclops might just be a respected team who knows exactly what there doing

I can put down anything i want when those thing have no such evidence or anything similar...thats how things work on a logical world... if you can prove, then its a fact, if you cannot, then people will most likely doubt you...

I named ONE but this ONE is just the freaking coder responsable for the HITACHI Garyopa HAck.... the FIRST hack of the HITACHI-LG X360 drive :) I think he know what he is talking about....

And whatever... people spended money on chips that why they get mad...and you will all probably be getting madder and madder until the upgradable funcionality is proven...

It will be REEEEALLY funny if the CHIIP/WIISKAS/WIIFREE gets all the funcionality of wiikey first then the cyclo upgrade... lol

[LenLen]

Mehoo,
You're going to have to search by google or something, like "is cyclowiz upgradeable?".

read through about an hour of forum posts on what you find.

After just doing so, I'm really disheartened by what I read. I doubt there was any malicious intent from team cyclops, but it doesn't seem to be safely upgradeable. Great respect for making the chip, I couldn't do it, but bummed.

And you guys who are badmouthing MaxConsole for the endorsement, give them a break. That's the way business works, and I think they're handling things as best as I could expect them to, given the circumstances. They're in limbo too, likely, waiting on proof, and their rep hangs in the balance a bit from them.

If things are bad, I think they're doing admirably well.

[Basta]

just wait a some weeks i think they release it on 1. april


"You are an Idiot Hahahahah...."

[whackawookie]

I named ONE but this ONE is just the freaking coder responsable for the HITACHI Garyopa HAck.... the FIRST hack of the HITACHI-LG X360 drive :) I think he know what he is talking about....


you do realise the first hitachi lg hack was c4eva right. garyopa has nothing but respect from me but he wasn't the one who did the first hack.

[jaxxster]

I think this update wont come. Im looking forward to pay day so i can myself a wiikey and get rid of the cyclowiz

[norry]

you do realise the first hitachi lg hack was c4eva right. garyopa has nothing but respect from me but he wasn't the one who did the first hack.

Don't want to argue over insignificant trifles, but I though c4e only ever worked on TS? Although I did hear a rumour somewhere I can't remember that he might be developing Hitachi firmware.

If you look at the two firmware mods also, they're completely different. With c4e xtreme TS firmware, you're replacing virtually the whole firmware whereas with GaryOPA Hitachi firmware he only "patches" a small part of it?

Anyway, all the arguing on this thread, is it possible, is it not, will be resolved in a week or so. Sit on your hands or watch some porn if you can't manage that until then ;)

[whackawookie]

Don't want to argue over insignificant trifles, but I though c4e only ever worked on TS? Although I did hear a rumour somewhere I can't remember that he might be developing Hitachi firmware.

If you look at the two firmware mods also, they're completely different. With c4e xtreme TS firmware, you're replacing virtually the whole firmware whereas with GaryOPA Hitachi firmware he only "patches" a small part of it?

Anyway, all the arguing on this thread, is it possible, is it not, will be resolved in a week or so. Sit on your hands or watch some porn if you can't manage that until then ;)

in all actualities the specialist did the first hitachi hack but it wasn't public. After c4eva did the toshiba hack he wasn't working on the hitachi until he got the rom. Once he got it he posted this update
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=7415
A little while after he posted this
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=7859
Garyopa is responsibe for great achievements and he has nothing but respect from me so i don't want him to think i'm coming down on him, just making the poster realise that he didn't release the first hack

[dssking]

I think this thread has been beaten to death, but here's my two cents :

First, members of this forum should not blame Maxconsole for promoting the Cyclowiz. They simply present the product, and the members and customers make an decision as to whether or not they'd like to purchase it. No one forced you to purchase this particular chip. I happened to be the only one readily available for shipment. The Wiinja and Wiikey had not yet been released.

I was one of those people who purchased a Cyclowiz V1 and installed it. Works fine, except for COD3. Keep in mind it's a first generation chip and there will be flaws. Everything that teamcyclops.com promissed, they delivered on. It plays backups. Plain and simple. Granted, we've yet to see an update, if infact there will be one, but at the end of the day, it plays backups.

I'll probably end up changing to the Wiikey if it can boot Pal discs on an Ntsc machine. But again, it works..........so far.

[jaxxster]

I think its time teamcyclops actually updated thier website with an offical annoucment on the state of the upgrade, Zeus or any one else if you read this can you please contact teamcyclops as u have good contact with them and please get them to set the record straight as they have announced an update more than once and we still havent seen a thing.

[brpn]

i agree when they missed the date an update should have went out on the site. If we dont see somthing this week I dont think we will see anything at all :(

[pangy]

They have had there chance with me, i will never buy another product from team cyclops AGAIN!!!!,

Also, i posted a topic asking if anyone knew any suppliers in the UK with wiikeys in stock because i was sick of waiting for a upgrade for the cyclowiz and it looks like its been removed??? did i offend a mod or brake a rule in posting that or ???????

[LenLen]

I think its time teamcyclops actually updated thier website with an offical annoucment on the state of the upgrade, Zeus or any one else if you read this can you please contact teamcyclops as u have good contact with them and please get them to set the record straight as they have announced an update more than once and we still havent seen a thing.

I think so too, but I'm in the camp of thinking about a new chip to install now. They posted the message "Regarding CycloWiz upgrade feature, we'll say it once again, CycloWiz is fully upgradable via DVD. While an official upgrade is not ready yet, we'll demonstrate the feature in the next few days, as it seems there is a demand for it." on February 11. That is one of many missed deadlines and promised feature promises.

So to anyone who hasn't bought their chip yet, who may be reading this to decide on a chip, Cyclowiz shouldn't be on the top of your list. So many people are frustrated and concerned about their chip support, and aren't seeing any results to fix a basic feature... just promises that come and actions that don't. So what will happen when Nintendo starts a new method of backup prevention? Such as making a 6x read speed mandatory on all games? We'll be waiting just like we are now.

Sorry, Team cyclops, for the anti-endorsement, but you got my pre-order sale which sits on my shelf, and in your bank accounts. If you had to wait almost a month for a check to clear, your be resistant to deal with that person again too.

[Avenger]

It is at the point now where if you are not an owner of the cyclo-wiz, there is no reason to ever be an owner. There are now cheaper and proven alternatives out there. Good luck to them on recovering.

[mehoo]

Sorry, Team cyclops, for the anti-endorsement, but you got my pre-order sale which sits on my shelf, and in your bank accounts. If you had to wait almost a month for a check to clear, your be resistant to deal with that person again too.


interresting point of view. i agree. this canbe said for customer service in general. if the tables were turned they would feel the pain they cause.

[norry]

in all actualities the specialist did the first hitachi hack but it wasn't public. After c4eva did the toshiba hack he wasn't working on the hitachi until he got the rom. Once he got it he posted this update
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=7415
A little while after he posted this
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=7859
Garyopa is responsibe for great achievements and he has nothing but respect from me so i don't want him to think i'm coming down on him, just making the poster realise that he didn't release the first hack


Thanks for the info and links, I always like to learn, hehe :) I never got a 360 til late in the day, so wasn't sure who developed what first.

Let's hope that CycloWiz gets the update out soon too, I'm sure everyone wants everyone who bought a Wii mod of whatever flavour to have a fully working system as they deserve :)

[noikz]

Technically they're breaking the law, "fully upgradable via DVD". Um, is it? I'm sure if I bought a rechargable battery that didn't recharge... I'd be a little miffed. False advertising is go.

[ammmmn]

its a modchip which enables the user to play illegally copied games...... who's breaking the law again

illegal in your country, but here you can make backups.

[Tjoho]

Latest Rumour :

http://piratezine.com/?p=18

[apexi350z]

Latest Rumour :

http://piratezine.com/?p=18
I'm very sadden by this rumor, hope it's just a rumor and not true!


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Got a mail from a person that is supposed to know inside information about cyclowiz. He wrote that the reason why cyclowiz update is delayed is because it doesent work properly on Cyclowiz V1. Its like lotto, sometimes it works to update and sometimes not. The problem is that if it doesent work it bad flashes and the chip will never work again.

Team cyclops are afraid to release a such an unstable release. Cause there will have alot of returned chips to the dealers. That is why they where “fast” on coming out with Cyclowiz V2. According to my source this is why the release of the update has been pushed back, and it wont be released this week and probably not in the next few weeks either.

There is a chance they will never release it to the public. Cause if they release the update, it is a big risk they have to take. They are concerned about money and with the update they can loose alot. They rushed out the Cyclowiz V1 to the dealers cause they did not think someone else would release a chip to the mass market before them. But wiinja beated them and if they did not come out with a chip fast enough and later on said it was upgradable they would lose $$$.

Well i can say i wasent happy when i got this mail, since i got Cyclowiz V1. So it kinda blows big time… But i dont wanna draw any conclusion. I see this as big rumour, not confirmed at all.

Maybe it puts some pieces in place. But if the damn update wont come this week, i am going on manhunt. Someone wanna team up ?

//Captain Bootleg

[brywalker]

Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[dextermorg]

I still believe they will release an update for all versions of the modchip. You may ask why ? Because a few weeks ago when I was waiting for my Cyclowiz v1 to arrive, I googled the chip ref number and came by a very well documented PDF on that Ubicom SX28AC chip that team Cyclops are using on Cyclowiz.

See for yourself here : http://www.ubicom.com/pdfs/products/sx/SX-DDS-SX2028AC.pdf

From memory, it says somewhere in this document that the chips is reprogrammable. I'm not a tech, but I can't see why v2 have more chances of success than v1... unless the v2 is using another chip ?

Regards.

[grabb]

From memory, it says somewhere in this document that the chips is reprogrammable. I'm not a tech, but I can't see why v2 have more chances of success than v1... unless the v2 is using another chip ?

The v1 and v2 Cyclowiz use the same chip, that's not the issue. It's also not a matter of the chip they used being reprogrammable - obviously it is. As an embedded software developer, my educated guess is that they just didn't design upgradeability into the system. One easy way to do that (and I'm guessing this is not far from the truth in this case) is to not use a bootloader. This means that the upgrade process consists of:
1. loading a small reprogramming algorithm into the RAM of the chip from the DVD drive, and executing it.
2. The reprogramming code erases the flash completely, then starts receiving new data from the DVD and writing it into the flash.

The problem with this design is that if something goes wrong anytime during the erase or flashing operations, then your chip is unrecoverable. There is nothing left in the flash, and you have a dead board. Using a bootloader will avoid this issue, since the bootloader area of the flash will never be erased at any point in time. So even if the flashing operation fails, your chip is still capable of running the bootloader to try again.
It is my guess that the v1 and v2 cyclowiz differ only in software, and that the changes include adding a bootloader to the v2 code. Of course I have nothing to back this up, it's just speculation - but I have been designing systems like this for the last 8 years so I would not be surprised if I'm close to the mark.
Regardless, your comment about having found the datasheet for the chip and it has the word "upgradeable" in it does not mean in any way that you couldn't design a board with "unsafe upgradeability" using that chip.

[nowaymon]

If the above is true, we are dealing with two problem . The first is a company (TeamCyclops) that is not being forthright with their customers (false statements about upgradability [nothing is considered upgradable if you take a random chance of bricking your card for no reason], promises made and broken multiple times, false advertising). Secondly, as customers we don't have any direct recourse against the Company since they already have our money and we only have an e-mail address.

Since we do have a product that is clearly not working to everyone's satisfaction, what are your thoughts on recourse with the resellers? If they receive a flood of requests for refunds / store credits, the resellers will put a LOT of pressure on TeamCyclops to provide us all with new chips that work properly (or release an upgrade...sure sure).

As an absolute last resort we can dispute the charge on the credit card since we all received a product that was not working and will most likely never work as promised. I think this is the big fear that the resellers / TeamCyclops are trying to avoid by promising an upgrade and continually delaying it (there is only a certain window in which you can dispute a credit card charge, typically 90 days maximum). This is not the route that will bring us the results we are looking for (a properly working Cyclowiz chip) but considering most of these mod chip stores are still heavily pushing the Cyclowiz, even with the known issues, my sympathies are currently not with them.

At the end of the day someone has to put pressure on TeamCyclops to do something and the resellers are in the best position to do just that.

Thoughts?

[EpochCT]

you ask him to name 3 yet you name one. If you would look you would even see wiikey developers say that its possible but they put it down because theres no restore function to recover from a bad flash. Don't put down the cyclowiz just because you think you know things. Everybody put down the viper when it was announced then in due time people realised who was actually behind the chip. TeamCyclops might just be a respected team who knows exactly what there doing

"Might" doesn't cut it when there's money involved.

And you guys who are badmouthing MaxConsole for the endorsement, give them a break. That's the way business works, and I think they're handling things as best as I could expect them to, given the circumstances. They're in limbo too, likely, waiting on proof, and their rep hangs in the balance a bit from them.

If things are bad, I think they're doing admirably well.

In business before you endorse a product you make sure of its quality and that it delivers what is advertises as well as satisfying the consumer and of course do proper due diligence, else you risk losing face (or money even). Endorsing something is putting their name and trust behind it. Had it been unbiased reviews then it'd be fine, but they were actively promoting. I can assure you that more than one Cyclowiz was sold thanks to that, even during the V1 & D2B fiasco, so what are they going to say to disappointed owners now?

"I'm sorry you got burned by a product we endorsed but we were too busy being swayed by money to do proper reviews and testing or even ask for proof of the claimed features, so we just took it as face value. We never warned or made notice of the several missed self-imposed deadlines from the manufacturers, the comments of known experts of the impossibility of a safe and reliable update, and made sure to undermine the competition and delete all bashing posts on the modchip. Hell, all that crap should have raised anyone's eyebrow, but we were still very optimi$tic about the chip so we saw no need to warn everyone just in case, like a good unbiased reviewer or journalist would've done. But you know, we were not involved at all, so you're cool with us, right?"

[jaxxster]

I think us stupid cyclowiz owners have to accept the facts, we rushed into buying a 1st gen drive chip and we brought a crap chip that doesnt do what it promised to do. We need to just handle the fact that thier wont be an update and that we have to get our money back and buy a wiikey. Shame on maxconsole for promoting a chip that lies.

[corsasri]

quote:

"I'm sorry you got burned by a product we endorsed but we were too busy being swayed by money to do proper reviews and testing or even ask for proof of the claimed features, so we just took it as face value. We never warned or made notice of the several missed self-imposed deadlines from the manufacturers, the comments of known experts of the impossibility of a safe and reliable update, and made sure to undermine the competition and delete all bashing posts on the modchip. Hell, all that crap should have raised anyone's eyebrow, but we were still very optimi$tic about the chip so we saw no need to warn everyone just in case, like a good unbiased reviewer or journalist would've done. But you know, we were not involved at all, so you're cool with us, right?"


have i got this right maxconsole have confirmed that we will never update our chip using a dvd ?
im a bit confused.......................................... ..............

[EpochCT]

Nope, nothing's been confirmed, that's just me being a sardonic bastard about MaxConsole's role in this whole charade. I wouldn't expect such confirmation from MaxConsole itself seeing as how they have nothing to gain from it, but then again I wouldn't trust their word concerning Wii modchips anyway, too many interests behind it.

[jaxxster]

i think team cyclops have confirmed its not upgradable themselves by not releasing an update, they have constantly put of putting out an update because there isnt one, i really cant wait to get paid to buy a wiikey

[numms]

I have to say, I've bought the cyclowiz and have been anxiously awaiting the arrival of my tri wing screwdriver (finally came in today). After seeing the constant delays in the update, I'm starting to have my doubts about the product I purchased. I guess something like this should have been expected when talking about a first gen chip, but I'm still disappointed in the level of support Team Cyclops has for their product. The wiikey is looking better and better every day. I'm not ready to scrap the cyclowiz yet, but will be installing it using german-guy's dongle method. I'm also going to be running the wires for every other mod chip that's on the market just so I can quickly and easily swap them out. I guess I'll just have access to the games that work for the time being.

Shame too. Well, they got me for $40.

[EpochCT]

The problem is that there's a difference between the limited feature set, reliability and compatibility of a first gen chip, which is understandable, and outright lying and false advertisement. Since it's still a rumor and not confirmed yet, I don't know, but if it's true, shouldn't they have tested the chips ability to update BEFORE advertising it as upgradeable?

[PSPWAD]

The problem is that there's a difference between the limited feature set, reliability and compatibility of a first gen chip, which is understandable, and outright lying and false advertisement. Since it's still a rumor and not confirmed yet, I don't know, but if it's true, shouldn't they have tested the chips ability to update BEFORE advertising it as upgradeable?
Thank you for your ALL KNOWING WISDOM of DESIGNING chips. We all know you can have the talent to design a chip but NOT know if it's read only or writable...THANK YOU...jackass...:rolleyes:

[coolcepi]

My, my... a mod flaming. That´d be my first :)

[PSPWAD]

My, my... a mod flaming. That´d be my first :)
That's why I'm a beta :D!

[numms]

... I don't know, but if it's true, shouldn't they have tested the chips ability to update BEFORE advertising it as upgradeable?

If I'm not mistaken, there is a difference between upgrade functionality and actually having a working upgrade. I'm only pointing this out as just about any business will throw technicalities like that out to try and push their product. The chip itself may well be upgradable. The functionality of upgrading that chip may simply not be working yet. The advertising of the ability upgrade the chip is a selling point, but the promise to have an upgrade by "the end of the week" is poor customer support. I think what bothers me most is not that they missed their date, but the fact that they've refused to update the release date, or even bother apologizing or explaining. VERY poor customer service/support.

[xllzerollx]

where is it?:confused:

[nick3young]

OK, I've been following this thread for a while now and the answer I want still hasn't appeared so I've had to register!

What's the big deal with this update? People were saying 'it's not coming' like an hour into the day it was supposed to be released. How many days late is it now? - not many, I know that as much. Lots of people seem to be jumping to rash conclusions over, so far, a small delay.

OK, true, they maybe should have put an update on their website by now saying that there is a delay, but for such a mass of people to jump to the conclusion that, because it's 5 days late (or whatever), it isn't coming out is unbelievable!

Think of it this way, if they just wanted more sales by putting features for an update on their website (which they knew were going to be difficult to implement) they could quite easily have said - 'coming in a month's time'. The fact that they've put 'a week' shows that they're being realistic about releasing it (and pretty soon) and that it's not simply a stunt go get maximum sales before they go under.

Is this the 1st delay you lot have experienced or am I just missing something?

[AceMilo]

OK, I've been following this thread for a while now and the answer I want still hasn't appeared so I've had to register!

What's the big deal with this update? People were saying 'it's not coming' like an hour into the day it was supposed to be released. How many days late is it now? - not many, I know that as much. Lots of people seem to be jumping to rash conclusions over, so far, a small delay.

OK, true, they maybe should have put an update on their website by now saying that there is a delay, but for such a mass of people to jump to the conclusion that, because it's 5 days late (or whatever), it isn't coming out is unbelievable!

Think of it this way, if they just wanted more sales by putting features for an update on their website (which they knew were going to be difficult to implement) they could quite easily have said - 'coming in a month's time'. The fact that they've put 'a week' shows that they're being realistic about releasing it (and pretty soon) and that it's not simply a stunt go get maximum sales before they go under.

Is this the 1st delay you lot have experienced or am I just missing something?

People just like to complain about stuff, and the only reason they are complaining this much is becaue mc is promoting the cyclowiz since divineo does as well. They seem to forget that the chip does work just fine and just has some minor issues that will be fixed in the update as well as import support, etc.

[sensesfail958]

OK, I've been following this thread for a while now and the answer I want still hasn't appeared so I've had to register!

What's the big deal with this update? People were saying 'it's not coming' like an hour into the day it was supposed to be released. How many days late is it now? - not many, I know that as much. Lots of people seem to be jumping to rash conclusions over, so far, a small delay.

OK, true, they maybe should have put an update on their website by now saying that there is a delay, but for such a mass of people to jump to the conclusion that, because it's 5 days late (or whatever), it isn't coming out is unbelievable!

Think of it this way, if they just wanted more sales by putting features for an update on their website (which they knew were going to be difficult to implement) they could quite easily have said - 'coming in a month's time'. The fact that they've put 'a week' shows that they're being realistic about releasing it (and pretty soon) and that it's not simply a stunt go get maximum sales before they go under.

Is this the 1st delay you lot have experienced or am I just missing something?

well according to wiinewz
"Team Cyclops have, in what is becoming a weekly ritual, promised to release a firmware update for the CycloWiz this week. For further discussion, be sure to check out the thread from last week's announcement. Or THIS thread from their announcement the week before that. Or the thread HERE from their initial promise of an upgrade in a week... three weeks ago."

Which would make this the 3rd delay. Of course people would complain when they're promised something and they don't get it. People are complaining because there "are" issues with it and there is another product out there without those issues. Who wouldn't be mad?

[ModderFokker]

What effort does it take to upload a simple video to YouTube displaying the upgrade feature ?????????????????

My guess it would take about 5 minutes..........and would result in higher sales (and a lot less bitching about the chip).

What company/person wouldnt post such a video ??

(....maybe its not upgradable) ;)

[noikz]

People just like to complain about stuff, and the only reason they are complaining this much is becaue mc is promoting the cyclowiz since divineo does as well. They seem to forget that the chip does work just fine and just has some minor issues that will be fixed in the update as well as import support, etc.

I think people would LIKE the products they bought to do what they say more than they "like" to ***** about them not.

[jaxxster]

Nevermind silly silly me.

[EpochCT]

Thank you for your ALL KNOWING WISDOM of DESIGNING chips. We all know you can have the talent to design a chip but NOT know if it's read only or writable...THANK YOU...jackass...:rolleyes:

There's a big difference between a chip being writeable and it being safely (reliably and low chance of bricks) upgradeable by DVD, the latter being what the Cyclowiz claimed to be and what according to the rumors (and comments from knowledgeable people) it isn't. So my question is, before you claim something is possible, especially if are using it as advertisement for a product you are selling, shouldn't you at least make sure it's really possible first? Would it have hurt to try updating a number chips successfully (with whatever useless update just to test) before touting it as a feature? This isn't rocket/chip designing science here, it's just common sense. I bet people wouldn't be as pissed, maybe even only suffering from mild discomfort, if the chip's 'upgradeability' hadn't been announced until properly tested and confirmed. But meh, I hope those rumors aren't true and there's another reason why the update has been delayed so much, for the sake of everyone who bought a Cyclowiz.

[nowaymon]

I e-mailed the vendor I purchased the chip from, no response (as I expected). TeamCyclops gave me the same canned response everyone else got (will be done this week.....). For me they have until Sunday evening to release it. For the individual who said "what is the rush," the problems have been known for close to a month by them, plus they said they would demonstrate the upgrade ability the beginning of February which they have failed to do.

Once Sunday rolls around and the update is not issued I'm going to dispute the charge on my credit card, offer to return it to the reseller (although why would they want it back) and order the WiiKey. When the resellers see the negatives from the credit card companies start to come through they will either a) get TeamCyclops to give us all good chips that work and/or b) stop selling something that doesn't work. The resellers have no incentive to do anything until it affects their pocketbook unfortunately.

If this were any other type of electronic product that we would buy at the store we would have all returned it already and bought something else. Just because we are ordering online does not make us hostage to paying for a poor product because we can't walk up to someone to yell/argue/reason with. The complete lack of support from TeamCyclops leaves no other option.

I'll say a small prayer for them to get a clue and let us know in exacting detail what is going on before Sunday but I have this funny feeling that my prayer will not be answered. It's about that time for all of us to get our money back and move on.

[dohclude]

well, I hope teamcyclops really comes through for us. I ordered a Cyclowiz from divineo like 3 weeks ago, it took 2 weeks before I got it, and then I realized it was a V1 and I had a D2B chipset :( So after not getting a response from divineo about replacing it with a V2, I got ahold of TeamCyclops and showed them my receipt. They said they had shipped me out a new V2 no questions asked, without me even sending back the V1... only problem is that was about a week ago, and I still haven't received my replacement. Hopefully they will come through for me though, they seemed very nice and helpfull when I contacted them and they were very prompt with replies. I will let you guys know what happens with all this... if anything ever does.:cool:


Well, TeamCyclops never sent me the V2 replacement chip as promised. Waited two weeks for it and never recieved a thing. They also stopped returning my emails. I don't even care if they ever release an update, I just wanted a damn chip that would work on my D2B system. Guess I'll have to fork over another $40 for a different chip now. :(

[idunder]

I e-mailed the vendor I purchased the chip from, no response (as I expected). TeamCyclops gave me the same canned response everyone else got (will be done this week.....). For me they have until Sunday evening to release it. For the individual who said "what is the rush," the problems have been known for close to a month by them, plus they said they would demonstrate the upgrade ability the beginning of February which they have failed to do.

Once Sunday rolls around and the update is not issued I'm going to dispute the charge on my credit card, offer to return it to the reseller (although why would they want it back) and order the WiiKey. When the resellers see the negatives from the credit card companies start to come through they will either a) get TeamCyclops to give us all good chips that work and/or b) stop selling something that doesn't work. The resellers have no incentive to do anything until it affects their pocketbook unfortunately.

If this were any other type of electronic product that we would buy at the store we would have all returned it already and bought something else. Just because we are ordering online does not make us hostage to paying for a poor product because we can't walk up to someone to yell/argue/reason with. The complete lack of support from TeamCyclops leaves no other option.

I'll say a small prayer for them to get a clue and let us know in exacting detail what is going on before Sunday but I have this funny feeling that my prayer will not be answered. It's about that time for all of us to get our money back and move on.

While I can understand frustration that Teamcyclops has not issued an update, filing a dispute with your CC company when you already have your product is totally sketchy. You are worse then Team Cyclops.

The vendor that sold you the chip followed through on their obligations.

Why should you stick it to them?

The only reason you are in your current situation is your OWN responsibility, not Team Cyclops, and not the vendor. I have no idea how you can justify your thought process as being OK. Because Team Cyclops said they will issue an update and it does not fall within your limits of what is acceptable?

Team Cyclops still claims there will be an update, maybe it's just taking longer due to testing. Until an actual statement is made, anything you think is just YOUR guess.

I myself bought a wiikey, only because I got screwed out of getting a Cyclops 2 times and then found a place with Wiikey in stock. The board quality looks better on the Cyclowiz, it is also thinner (for MUCH cleaner quick solder installs) and when the update comes out, makes it no different from the others.

[sensesfail958]

While I can understand frustration that Teamcyclops has not issued an update, filing a dispute with your CC company when you already have your product is totally sketchy. You are worse then Team Cyclops.

The vendor that sold you the chip followed through on their obligations.

Why should you stick it to them?

The only reason you are in your current situation is your OWN responsibility, not Team Cyclops, and not the vendor. I have no idea how you can justify your thought process as being OK. Because Team Cyclops said they will issue an update and it does not fall within your limits of what is acceptable?

Team Cyclops still claims there will be an update, maybe it's just taking longer due to testing. Until an actual statement is made, anything you think is just YOUR guess.

I myself bought a wiikey, only because I got screwed out of getting a Cyclops 2 times and then found a place with Wiikey in stock. The board quality looks better on the Cyclowiz, it is also thinner (for MUCH cleaner quick solder installs) and when the update comes out, makes it no different from the others.

So he should put up with it and shut up? **** no. The only way he can affect team cyclops is through the vendors, if the vendors get pissed and don't order more then he got his point across to cyclops someway. People do it everyday with other items they buy in stores and dispute, why should this be any different? If I bought a fucking tv from a store that was buggy and the vendor wouldn't honor a return cause it was fucked up, is it my responsibility?
I would dispute that ****. Also, a bunch of people said upgrading this SX28 chip was risky for various reasons, it's not his GUESS, other people commented on it.

[nowaymon]

Some responses to your points:


1) I agree the reseller followed through on their obligations. However, a vendor is obligated to sell you a functioning product, regardless of who manufactured it. Look up implied warranties on Wikipedia.

2) Yes, I do have the product in hand but I would be VERY happy if the reseller took the product back and provided me a credit to purchase a properly functioning product. Unforutnately the reseller refuses to respond to requests about returning the product.

3) Forget about the upgrade for a moment. I purchased an item that does not work as advertised. If TeamCyclops stated up front: "we have issues with DVD read times" then they did their job of making clear what I was buying. They did not do that. I should not have to rely on an upgrade to bring the product up to the specifications that were originally promised out of the box.

4) Regarding the upgrade, TeamCyclops has issued multiple statements regarding the release of an upgrade dating back to the beginning of February and yet no upgrade has been released. I am not going to sacrifice the one and only route of financial recourse I do have (disputing the charge) and simply wait for an upgrade that a) the general user community has serious doubts about and b) the manufacturer has delayed numerous times. Neither the manufacturer or the reseller has provided anyone with a satisfactory reason for the delay or provided a FIRM release date.

5) From a technical standpoint, there are enough working products / source codes out there for TeamCyclops to understand and correct the dvd speed issues. The problem (based on all of the information on the net to date) seems to be that the chip itself cannot be upgraded without some risk of bricking the chip. A reputable company would simply state "either try the upgrade and we will replace your chip if you brick it or simply return the chip to us and we will upgrade it for you for free." I cannot assume I am dealing with a reputable company at this point due to multiple promises broken on their end.

I agree that this situation is lousy for the resellers. It's not as if they are massive corporations that can push back against TeamCyclops. I put a proposal in a different post for the resellers to simply offer us a Wiinja or Wiikey at cost plus a very modest markup. In that scenario the only real loser is the consumer who would have to spend additional money to get a functioning chip.

[mehoo]

I should not have to rely on an upgrade to bring the product up to the specifications that were originally promised out of the box.

damn that comment brought back a whole slew of bad memories. I am not sure how many of you are also PC gamers, but if you are and you ever played the battlefield series you can totally relate to this situation. EA has never, to my knowledge, released a functional product without patches to make it work for some. Its downright wrong. For so many years now we have been enslaved into thinking that its ok for companies to release inferior products, and then update them to the functionality they promised on THEIR time table. Its just ridiculous. Then they get seen as a great company because they released patches so quickly! no. they arent a great company. The fact that they required a patch in the first place means they are crap.

Im tired of this **** happening to be honest. If car manufacturers released a new model car and all advertising showed it full and complete, but when it was delivered to you it had no doors on it, and they promised within the next month to have them delivered to your dealership for install, and then kept delaying.. do you honestly think people should just be ok with this and shut up? **** that. And then if the dealership refused to cancel your order and insisted that you pay for a vehicle that you cant even drive.. hopefully this puts the point into perspective. amount of money here is irrelevant, we're dealing with principals.

I don't think the chip is bad.. it runs the games i've thrown at it, but when warioware lags like mad during the movies and practically the whole game is movies it gets annoying. And i think back to when i bought the chip and it didnt say anything at all about dvd read speeds not being correct.

Like i said you people are so enslaved to just forget it and let it go that it makes me sick. You are the reason this stuff happens and continues to happen. You allow it. I will not be refusing the charges on my card, and i am sure mod-chip.com would let me return this if i asked, but i am not going to. i will write him an email letting him know my frustrations, and express that if an update is not released as promised i will be forced to echange this for a wiikey.

I don't think the customer should absorb the screw ups monetarily but i also do not think its fair to hit the resellers with mass returns and credit refusals. The simple fact is that team cyclops is screwing them over just as much as us. If the reseller ignores you though, refuse it. what company did you use?

[thelairster]

Watching this hold saga unfold is really something. Team cyclops should come clean and be open about the issues and offer to replace the first gen chips if they cant release this update.If this were the case, I doubt they would have to replace more than 20 percent of the chips they sold, as some will be comfortable with reduced functionality, and others cant be bothered to fill out the forms, but the people who are seeking recourse on their purchases should be able to receive it without taking drastic actions like getting their credit card companies involved.

Team cyclops clearly has fallen victim in the rush to be first on the market. I'm positive they never intended to screw anyone at the start. In my opinion their current "effective silence" on the matter is a show of embarrassment concerning their current predicament. For their sake and the consumers I do hope they release a safe working update for the chips. I assume they are working day and night. I hope they are working day and night.

[idunder]

Some responses to your points:


1) I agree the reseller followed through on their obligations. However, a vendor is obligated to sell you a functioning product, regardless of who manufactured it. Look up implied warranties on Wikipedia.

2) Yes, I do have the product in hand but I would be VERY happy if the reseller took the product back and provided me a credit to purchase a properly functioning product. Unforutnately the reseller refuses to respond to requests about returning the product.

3) Forget about the upgrade for a moment. I purchased an item that does not work as advertised. If TeamCyclops stated up front: "we have issues with DVD read times" then they did their job of making clear what I was buying. They did not do that. I should not have to rely on an upgrade to bring the product up to the specifications that were originally promised out of the box.

4) Regarding the upgrade, TeamCyclops has issued multiple statements regarding the release of an upgrade dating back to the beginning of February and yet no upgrade has been released. I am not going to sacrifice the one and only route of financial recourse I do have (disputing the charge) and simply wait for an upgrade that a) the general user community has serious doubts about and b) the manufacturer has delayed numerous times. Neither the manufacturer or the reseller has provided anyone with a satisfactory reason for the delay or provided a FIRM release date.

5) From a technical standpoint, there are enough working products / source codes out there for TeamCyclops to understand and correct the dvd speed issues. The problem (based on all of the information on the net to date) seems to be that the chip itself cannot be upgraded without some risk of bricking the chip. A reputable company would simply state "either try the upgrade and we will replace your chip if you brick it or simply return the chip to us and we will upgrade it for you for free." I cannot assume I am dealing with a reputable company at this point due to multiple promises broken on their end.

I agree that this situation is lousy for the resellers. It's not as if they are massive corporations that can push back against TeamCyclops. I put a proposal in a different post for the resellers to simply offer us a Wiinja or Wiikey at cost plus a very modest markup. In that scenario the only real loser is the consumer who would have to spend additional money to get a functioning chip.

See the major flaw with your argument is that Team Cyclops is still in business, and they still promise to bring forth the updates to fix their "bugs"

So for you to proceed with a charge back to your card in the midst of the issues being resolved in just plain wrong.

I think it's funny that you site an "implied warranty". First the chip does work as advertised. It has a few bugs, but it DOES function and work AS stated on the team cyclops features section on their website. -- What bugs it does have the company that made the product has publicly stated they will fix these bugs. I understand your frustration in their time-frame, but they did say they will address this with an upgrade. Your patience level and rumor/guessing does not change the facts here.

I think you need to relax, your not their only customer that is waiting for an update to fix these bugs. And an implied warranty in the USA would hold NO WATER for a device that circumvents copy protection - Get real.

If you were to do a charge back, you should send the chip back to the vendor first at the very least.

[Avenger]

The one thing that really bugs me is the ignorant people threatening to get their credit card companies involved. You are buying it from a reseller, not from Cyclo-Wiz. Why punish them? How is it your fault? You chose to buy it, and they have no say over updates.

Would you do a chargeback to Walmart or another retailer if you bought a product there, and the manufacturer lied about some specs? I doubt it.

[idunder]

Im tired of this **** happening to be honest. If car manufacturers released a new model car and all advertising showed it full and complete, but when it was delivered to you it had no doors on it, and they promised within the next month to have them delivered to your dealership for install, and then kept delaying.. do you honestly think people should just be ok with this and shut up? **** that. And then if the dealership refused to cancel your order and insisted that you pay for a vehicle that you cant even drive.. hopefully this puts the point into perspective. amount of money here is irrelevant, we're dealing with principals.


Actually it would be the equivelent that some component in your "car" had a bug. Having NO doors would make it so that your car was UNDRIVABLE. You are not allowed to drive a car with no doors (at least in the USA).

So your comparison is really not acurate or proper. The cyclowiz does work, it plays at least 85% titles without issue from what I understand, that is hardly like a car with NO doors.

This is a 1st gen chip to circumvent copy protection. Maybe next time some of you will LEARN something from this. Don't buy 1st gen stuff if you can't handle issues, they always occur.

Just don't by another product from TeamCyclops if you don't like their timeline, I hardly think they have defrauded anyone YET.

[Pacotera]

The one thing that really bugs me is the ignorant people threatening to get their credit card companies involved. You are buying it from a reseller, not from Cyclo-Wiz. Why punish them? How is it your fault? You chose to buy it, and they have no say over updates.

Would you do a chargeback to Walmart or another retailer if you bought a product there, and the manufacturer lied about some specs? I doubt it.

Are you slow?

If i buy ANYTHING from wal mart and when i get home that product has some divergence from the specs i will just bring it back to walmart and get my money back

I did this at least 2 times at walmart here in Brazil...

So can anyone send the cyclowiz back and get their money back? No... so think a LOT more before posting...

What you posted is like me opening a store like walmart and selling some crappy tvs from a chinese factory saying that they were 1080p! But when the customer turn it on at home they discover that the tv is only 480p....

People would care less for the brand of the tv, they would for sure return the tv and demand their money back...

seriously...


EDITED:

Oh i see... you have a webstore (saw on your sig just now) so THAT WHY you are crying about people wanting refunds ... LOL!

[jaxxster]

Guys chill out, an update will come out. What would you guys rather, An update thats rushed because we're all being kids and moaning and then when we attempt to upgrade our chips end up with a bricked cyclowiz?? Or would you rather wait a few weeks max and let the team work out to make it safe as possible for the customer so the upgrade was fully working. We can all kick up a fuss and moan but it isnt going to get us anywhere, If they havent got a safe update yet then they're not releasing it simple, we all know what we were getting into by buying a 1st gen drive chip.

Just play all the Wii games/GC games compatable with the cyclowiz and wait for the update, There isnt a real rush for the update anyways, 3 games dont work but thats a minor. I bet you cant complete every GC/Wii game before the update comes out, we all got our moneys worth, £30 for a chip which has paid for itselfs over 30times.

[idunder]

Are you slow?

If i buy ANYTHING from wal mart and when i get home that product has some divergence from the specs i will just bring it back to walmart and get my money back

I did this at least 2 times at walmart here in Brazil...

So can anyone send the cyclowiz back and get their money back?

This is a device to circumvent copy protection!

This type of thing would never be sold at Walmart. How can you even compare that to Walmart.

Would you do a charge back on your credit card because a prostitute you rented was not what you expected after your "transaction" already occured?

[ckw0n]

This reminds me of the q00b team.....


That said, this thread is getting way out of hand.

[mehoo]

Actually it would be the equivelent that some component in your "car" had a bug. Having NO doors would make it so that your car was UNDRIVABLE. You are not allowed to drive a car with no doors (at least in the USA).

So your comparison is really not acurate or proper. The cyclowiz does work, it plays at least 85% titles without issue from what I understand, that is hardly like a car with NO doors.

This is a 1st gen chip to circumvent copy protection. Maybe next time some of you will LEARN something from this. Don't buy 1st gen stuff if you can't handle issues, they always occur.

Just don't by another product from TeamCyclops if you don't like their timeline, I hardly think they have defrauded anyone YET.

See you just proved my point entirely. My analogy may not be perfectly accurate but it still displays the point that we are all trying to get through your thick head... companies can not promise and not deliver. plain and simple. People like you make them think its ok.

You say that i need to learn not to buy first gen because it has problems, well i say back to you, quit accepting bullshit hardware and the companies will stop shoving it down our throats and do a better job. You are bending over, and well, thats not my style.

I dont agree with hurting the resellers except in the instance of poor customer service as was mentioned. BUT.. if the reseller is selling a product knowing that it has problems and doesnt explain these problems IN DETAIL on their product page, they are most likely purposely not doing so to ramp up sales. This is the same reason team cyclops hasnt said they are having problems yet. they show signs of problems and their sales drop to nill, but if they just keep it as a "delay" then people still hold on to hope that it will work as intended and may still buy. if you cant see that this is what they are doign then you have more problems understanding business management than i originally thought.

And to fix my analogy so you can quit bitching...
car manufacturer makes a vehicle that stalls every time you turn right. you can still drive it, and its legal to do so, but you know every time you turn right that your car will stall. kinda like how the cyclowiz works.. but everytime you play warioware its gonna stall on you and lag.

better? you sound like a poster boy for cyclops. im far from a fanboy of any chip or system but i know a shotty deal when i see one and at least i can say something about it instead of taking the passive approach and just bending over for the man.

[whackawookie]

this bs with a credit card refund crap needs to stop. If your that worried about reporting stuff like this to your credit card company then don't buy chips or anyother modification device. I have a gut feeling that there will be some news coming in the next day or two about the update so everybody sit tight

[mehoo]

This is a device to circumvent copy protection!

This type of thing would never be sold at Walmart. How can you even compare that to Walmart.

Would you do a charge back on your credit card because a prostitute you rented was not what you expected after your "transaction" already occured?

i like how you completely ignore the point in everything everyone says and go after the analogy in literal terms as a way to divert attention from the true meaning. nice.

[PSPWAD]

There's a big difference between a chip being writeable and it being safely (reliably and low chance of bricks) upgradeable by DVD, the latter being what the Cyclowiz claimed to be and what according to the rumors (and comments from knowledgeable people) it isn't.
1.) If the chip is writable, even if it's NOT reliable, it is STILL technically upgradable...some PSPs were bricked by OFFICIAL UPDATES, so NOTHING is perfect...
2.) List your "sources"...

[mehoo]

Oh i have a question for the technically savvy people in here.

The problem isnt possibility of an update its possibility of error and brick during updating. is this due to it being done via the dvd or some poor planning on designing the chip?

Just curious if its a problem with the chip and how it erases the data, stores it in memory, then flashes, etc... then how is any ammount of software [ie. them still working on it means they are trying] going to help? i can understand possibly recoding the software to allow future flashes to be safer after this one but how can they possibly make this flash safer now?

[apexi350z]

Oh i have a question for the technically savvy people in here.

The problem isnt possibility of an update its possibility of error and brick during updating. is this due to it being done via the dvd or some poor planning on designing the chip?

Just curious if its a problem with the chip and how it erases the data, stores it in memory, then flashes, etc... then how is any ammount of software [ie. them still working on it means they are trying] going to help? i can understand possibly recoding the software to allow future flashes to be safer after this one but how can they possibly make this flash safer now?

from what I've read, the 1st generation did not have "bootloader" in the firmware, so when you try to update the firmware, it is possible to erase everything and can't get back into the chip. But on 2nd generation, it supposely has the bootloader on it.

This is not confirmed, just from reading bits and pieces everywhere.. so don't quote me on that. ;)

[idunder]

i like how you completely ignore the point in everything everyone says and go after the analogy in literal terms as a way to divert attention from the true meaning. nice.

Can't handle the truth?

I like how everyone compares this to regular consumer goods.

This is a chip to circument copy protection!! This is not a TV, a car, etc..

The FACT is that the company has stated they will release an update.

They are still in business, they are shipping product to MANY distributors so odds are it will happen.

[idunder]

See you just proved my point entirely. My analogy may not be perfectly accurate but it still displays the point that we are all trying to get through your thick head... companies can not promise and not deliver. plain and simple. People like you make them think its ok.

You say that i need to learn not to buy first gen because it has problems, well i say back to you, quit accepting bullshit hardware and the companies will stop shoving it down our throats and do a better job. You are bending over, and well, thats not my style.

I dont agree with hurting the resellers except in the instance of poor customer service as was mentioned. BUT.. if the reseller is selling a product knowing that it has problems and doesnt explain these problems IN DETAIL on their product page, they are most likely purposely not doing so to ramp up sales. This is the same reason team cyclops hasnt said they are having problems yet. they show signs of problems and their sales drop to nill, but if they just keep it as a "delay" then people still hold on to hope that it will work as intended and may still buy. if you cant see that this is what they are doign then you have more problems understanding business management than i originally thought.

And to fix my analogy so you can quit bitching...
car manufacturer makes a vehicle that stalls every time you turn right. you can still drive it, and its legal to do so, but you know every time you turn right that your car will stall. kinda like how the cyclowiz works.. but everytime you play warioware its gonna stall on you and lag.

better? you sound like a poster boy for cyclops. im far from a fanboy of any chip or system but i know a shotty deal when i see one and at least i can say something about it instead of taking the passive approach and just bending over for the man.

Hope you learned something from your experience N00b

Don't buy a 1st gen modchip if you are not willing to deal with some "growing pains"

ALL 1st gen chips have some issues.

Wiinja had them - Their issue was NO upgradability so they HAD TO take returns, Cyclowiz had them but the chip is upgradable. Wiikey waited till the dust settled then released theirs.

The chip works, it has issues with a few games. For 45.00 to be able to play the MAJORITY of Wii titles fine (and all GC from what I understand) does not mean it's not working as marketed.

Your analogy with the Car is STILL wrong. Having you car stall every time you turn right is not even close to a proper comparison. The cyclowiz does not crap out everytime you hit a certain button or take a certain action, it just has a couple issues with a FEW games. It plays the MAJORITY of games fine. A BETTER comparison would be that the radio in your car does not work on every station, an inconvience, but hardly not working as advertised.

And I bought a wiikey, I tried to get the Cyclowiz but had issues with 2 different vendors.

The wiikey is also has it's own issues, they claim Quick Solder capability, the board is almost 3 times thicker then the Cyclowiz, the traces are only on top of the PCB for 4 of the connections. If you wanted to quick solder it, you have to bridge solder over a large portion of the board which is almost impossible with novice soldering skills.

ALL chips have there own positives and negatives. When the Cyclowiz has their update it really will be the best bang for the buck for all around (NOVICE to EXPERT). It's actually fully quick solderable with a very thin PCB. After the update I believe all of these first gen chips are the same as far as what they can do goes.

[Pacotera]

This is a device to circumvent copy protection!

This type of thing would never be sold at Walmart. How can you even compare that to Walmart.

Would you do a charge back on your credit card because a prostitute you rented was not what you expected after your "transaction" already occured?

I live in brazil, here a modchip is 100% LEGAL... no Shitty DMCA here

and READ the posts , i was not the one who initially mentioned walmart..

[mehoo]

haha.. oh no here comes the "n00b" comments

so pushing a button causing a problem is different than playing a game causing a problem.. oh.. ok.. yeah i can totally see the difference there.

wiinja took returns... wiikey just did it right.. two companies that seem to have handled things alot better..

problems will always happen, but its how a company deals with them that determines how i personally view their business practices. by ignoring people and lying on 3 different occasions for release dates and NOT giving an official reason.. well that seems real shady to me. Shows how much they appreciate all of their business by leaving people in the dark so much.

blah blah.. anyways you bore me. enjoy your complacency.

[Exley]

This is a device to circumvent copy protection!

This type of thing would never be sold at Walmart. How can you even compare that to Walmart.

Would you do a charge back on your credit card because a prostitute you rented was not what you expected after your "transaction" already occured?

It can quite easily be compared to wal-mart.

The previous analogy stands, if I purchase somthing at Wal-Mart that does not work as advertised, they let me return for a full refund to get my hard earned money back.

This device CAN be used to circumvent copy protection. If you buy at gun at Wal-Mart (which they sell) you can use it to hunt, or you could walk out, load it, walk back in and rob the place. Many people use it to play their own personal backups especially backups of imports because they are so dang expensive. Do many poeple use these chips to steal, yes they do. However this doesn't change any of the good business practices that come with running a business. I'm not buying this from Mick on a street corner in a bad part of town. If I purchase a product from a retailer with my credit card and it doesn't work as advertised I get to return it, if they won't let me then its time to dispute.

[EpochCT]

1.) If the chip is writable, even if it's NOT reliable, it is STILL technically upgradable...some PSPs were bricked by OFFICIAL UPDATES, so NOTHING is perfect...
2.) List your "sources"...

1) PSP were bricked by user error, not by randomly bricking updates "This Official Firmware Update has a random chance of rendering your PSP unusable. Press X to continue." Yeah right. And last time I checked PSP updates have been released long since and are available, unlike this update.

2) http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=407166&postcount=5
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=407372&postcount=14
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=408318&postcount=21

I don't understand, is proper testing of a feature advertised really that much to ask?

[idunder]

haha.. oh no here comes the "n00b" comments

so pushing a button causing a problem is different than playing a game causing a problem.. oh.. ok.. yeah i can totally see the difference there.

wiinja took returns... wiikey just did it right.. two companies that seem to have handled things alot better..

problems will always happen, but its how a company deals with them that determines how i personally view their business practices. by ignoring people and lying on 3 different occasions for release dates and NOT giving an official reason.. well that seems real shady to me. Shows how much they appreciate all of their business by leaving people in the dark so much.

blah blah.. anyways you bore me. enjoy your complacency.

Great argurments you make, it's obvious you have not modded much in the past.

I'm not being complacent, just realistic and have been around long enough to know 1st gen stuff has problems.

Just one SMALL example is PSX1 - It took a few different revisions of the PIC microcontroller code to get things right - Over several months. There was NO upgradable chips, it was what it was. People did not ***** and mode and threaten to charge back their credit cards because the 1st gen had issues. They got it, it was a work in progress. That is par for the course in most cutting edge mod hacks. There are always issues with things like this, and it's to be expected expecially with 1st gen.

The problem here is you kiddies are too impatient, the company has stated there will be an updated. You whine cry and moan.

It's not broke, it plays the majority of Wii titles. And most if not all GC titles. So tell me how is this chip NOT as advertised.

[Exley]

See the major flaw with your argument is that Team Cyclops is still in business, and they still promise to bring forth the updates to fix their "bugs"

Then my question to you is.

How long do we have to wait before we can return our currently flawed product in good conscience. One month? 2 months? 6?

Because as long as were not returning them, and thusly retailers continue to sell them, they will remain “in business” and still promise updates.

[Pacotera]

BY GARYOPA

#6: If they ever did make a upgrade disc, it would open the floodgates
of cheap china-make clones as there is noway to protect the data
flow of the new SX28 binary going into your own blank clone chip.

I think thats pertty much it...

oh and thsi is excelent too :)

It can quite easily be compared to wal-mart.

The previous analogy stands, if I purchase somthing at Wal-Mart that does not work as advertised, they let me return for a full refund to get my hard earned money back.

This device CAN be used to circumvent copy protection. If you buy at gun at Wal-Mart (which they sell) you can use it to hunt, or you could walk out, load it, walk back in and rob the place. Many people use it to play their own personal backups especially backups of imports because they are so dang expensive. Do many poeple use these chips to steal, yes they do. However this doesn't change any of the good business practices that come with running a business. I'm not buying this from Mick on a street corner in a bad part of town. If I purchase a product from a retailer with my credit card and it doesn't work as advertised I get to return it, if they won't let me then its time to dispute.

[LenLen]

Ignorant people keep coming here and posting without researching things.

1) The Cyclowiz is not eeprom, therefore not writable in the traditional sense.

2) Team Cyclops advertised it was updatable by dvd. The hardware has voltage issues when writing due to untested upgradeability feature. (from what I read from chip programmers with 20+ years of exp.

3) They falsely advertised it worked.

4) You're saying that we should know 1st gen chips have problems. These are not the problems acceptable from 1st grade chips. (lack of reading discs at the correct speed) Acceptable problems are the inability of playing a game due to later Nintendo implementation that the chip can't do because of lack of new hardware needed. NOT that I can't play Wario Ware properly, and oh well, deal with it.

5) You're saying Oh, well. Deal with it. Why are you complaining when you can play most of the games out right now.
That isn't the issue. We were advertised a list of features that aren't there. If we waited to pre-order the cyclowiz, it was after not getting the wiinja (because it wasn't upgradeable). I would have got the Wiinja if I didn't want that feature. And the Wiinja plays at the proper speed.
About the game compatibility, partial compatibility with inevitable no compatiblility isn't acceptable.
You're saying to stop complaining because for the cost of the chip you can play more than the chip's worth. Idiot. Why not advertise that YOU are getting pirated games? I have bought 8 games so far. I have 3 kids under the age of 8. They destroy discs within a minute of grabbing it. I need the backup to protect having spent $400 in games so far.

So yes. If you play pirated games, you can't complain for a legitimate reason (other than the flagrant false advertising). Everyone else has a legitimate complaint. And the complaint hasn't been fixed (because the feature is most likely false) and we're being strung along.

It's been about a month now, with constant promises not delivered upon. From a video showing the feature, to the update coming out "in the next few days" repeatedly. And people are angry that they're not being dealt with honestly.

If you were around before this, I was defending them earlier too, while others were complaining. You'll be here eventually too, because there is a risk of burning out a resistor(?) close to a solder point by putting one in. Even greater for removing it, replacing it.

[idunder]

It can quite easily be compared to wal-mart.

The previous analogy stands, if I purchase somthing at Wal-Mart that does not work as advertised, they let me return for a full refund to get my hard earned money back.

This device CAN be used to circumvent copy protection. If you buy at gun at Wal-Mart (which they sell) you can use it to hunt, or you could walk out, load it, walk back in and rob the place. Many people use it to play their own personal backups especially backups of imports because they are so dang expensive. Do many poeple use these chips to steal, yes they do. However this doesn't change any of the good business practices that come with running a business. I'm not buying this from Mick on a street corner in a bad part of town. If I purchase a product from a retailer with my credit card and it doesn't work as advertised I get to return it, if they won't let me then its time to dispute.

The comparison with Walmart stands because you say it does, what are you a lawyer?

Modchips are a very grey area in the USA legal system. You won't see a Walmart selling them ever. The organizations that sell modchips are MORE like a MICK on the street (as you put it)

Can you return a Bong to a head shop that has been used because you are not satisfied? Yeah you MIGHT be able to but most people buy bongs to smoke illegal substances out of them so if they have issues, they live with it.

MOST people buy guns to shoot legally, not kill with. Most that buy modchips are not buying for backup purposes, it's just an excuse. Just like when you buy a bong it is stated it is going to be used for tobacco, yeah right..

Back to the point, you idiots that are whining and complaining bought a 1st gen mod chip that play the majority of titles and have a promise from the company that made it to offer updates. It is to be expected.

To expect to return a product like a modchip to where you bought it because you have a hunch there will be no update, or that your too impatient to wait is just stupid. Worse yet, to initiate a charge back over it.

If TeamCyclops offers NO software update they would probably just offer a hardware exchange, JUST like Wiinja did with all their 1st gen ones.

[idunder]

IThat isn't the issue. We were advertised a list of features that aren't there.

Please list these features that aren't there

This is from their website:

Fully Upgadeable via DVD
Direct Boot of Wii Backups
Direct Boot of GC backups
Direct Boot of homebrew in GC mode
Runs Imported GC games (needs swap)
Built in Audio fix (no patch requried)
Compatible with multi-disk games
Compatible with DVD-R and DVD+R
Stealth Mode
Multi-Purpose LED
Very easy to install

Hmm, THE ONLY one listed that has NOT been proven is the upgrade feature, so please tell us what list of features are not present in the info that is available that the put on their website that was available when pre-orders started?

[scrotty]

Isn't also the case that the WiiKey is advertised as having the 'Backup to SD card' feature but this doesn't actually exist. So it could be argued that the WiiKey was mis-advertised.

As it stands, I've got a Cyclowiz v2 and have just ordered a WiiKey (just in case) but I fully accept that as with everything you buy that is meant to circumvent any kind of protection, there are no guarantees it's gonna work forever or indeed for every individual case. You pay your money, you take your chance.

[mehoo]

Great argurments you make, it's obvious you have not modded much in the past.

OMFG man.. you go from picking apart people's analogies to coming up with the bad assumption that i have not modded, and also applying it to this argument which is has NOTHING TO DO WITH.

and im not a "kiddie". you were the one calling people n00b's which i commonly see "kiddies" doing.

just drop it. arguing with you is pointless because you fail to see the POINT in anything anyone says.

[mehoo]

Can you return a Bong to a head shop that has been used because you are not satisfied? Yeah you MIGHT be able to...


hahahahahaha

"can you do this if you want to? oh.. well yeah you can.. **** i just contradicted myself, let me add some meaningless B.S. to make it look like i knew that i was doing it.

ur a hoot, i sure hope you are being paid well by cyclops.

[idunder]

Isn't also the case that the WiiKey is advertised as having the 'Backup to SD card' feature but this doesn't actually exist. So it could be argued that the WiiKey was mis-advertised.

As it stands, I've got a Cyclowiz v2 and have just ordered a WiiKey (just in case) but I fully accept that as with everything you buy that is meant to circumvent any kind of protection, there are no guarantees it's gonna work forever or indeed for every individual case. You pay your money, you take your chance.

This is a great example!

With modchips like anything that is bordering legality you assume certain risks. (At least the reasonable among us do)

[idunder]

OMFG man.. you go from picking apart people's analogies to coming up with the bad assumption that i have not modded, and also applying it to this argument which is has NOTHING TO DO WITH.

and im not a "kiddie". you were the one calling people n00b's which i commonly see "kiddies" doing.

just drop it. arguing with you is pointless because you fail to see the POINT in anything anyone says.

I came to the conclusion that you were a n00b and a kiddie since you obviously are not aware that this type of thing happens with 1st gen code injection style mods. (PSX 1 as example)

And if you are not a newbie or a young kid, and you were well aware of this type of thing happening with 1st gen mods (Expecially code injection ones), I apologize, you are just plain stupid then.

[Woolmonkey]

You're saying to stop complaining because for the cost of the chip you can play more than the chip's worth. Idiot. Why not advertise that YOU are getting pirated games? I have bought 8 games so far. I have 3 kids under the age of 8. They destroy discs within a minute of grabbing it. I need the backup to protect having spent $400 in games so far.


You here this so much I think it is a way for people to justify the reason they buy modchips on forums when pirating is the real reason. One of the reasons I think this is most kids I know handle DVD media better then most adults do (put DVD in case, put case back on shelf, take out next DVD, put it in the player/console).

[Exley]

The comparison with Walmart stands because you say it does, what are you a lawyer?

You don't have to be a lawyer to do a little research and use simple logic sprinkled with some common sense. But my father was a lawyer, not that this lends me any credence, just that he taught me to fight for my money.

Modchips are a very grey area in the USA legal system. You won't see a Walmart selling them ever. The organizations that sell modchips are MORE like a MICK on the street (as you put it)

If Mick hands me a business card with a link to his legitimate website which sells goods (which grey area or not are currently legal) and lets me use my credit card than you are correct. However if I buy something from Mick's site that doesn't work, my credit card thankfully offers me the recourse needed to retrieve my funds.

Can you return a Bong to a head shop that has been used because you are not satisfied? Yeah you MIGHT be able to but most people buy bongs to smoke illegal substances out of them so if they have issues, they live with it.

If I pay with my credit card and their product is faulty then whether through the retailer or through my credit card, I will get my money back.

MOST people buy guns to shoot legally, not kill with. Most that buy modchips are not buying for backup purposes, it's just an excuse. Just like when you buy a bong it is stated it is going to be used for tobacco, yeah right...

This is not a question of most and few. If I understand, you’re saying that the guy who is going into a bong shop and is actually purchasing it for a legitimate purpose (I.e. tobacco) should have no ability to recoup his funds should his purchased item not work. So screw the honest minority so you can screw the dishonest majority. Sounds like a plan.

Back to the point, you idiots that are whining and complaining bought a 1st gen mod chip that play the majority of titles and have a promise from the company that made it to offer updates. It is to be expected.

To expect to return a product like a modchip to where you bought it because you have a hunch there will be no update, or that your too impatient to wait is just stupid. Worse yet, to initiate a charge back over it.

If TeamCyclops offers NO software update they would probably just offer a hardware exchange, JUST like Wiinja did with all their 1st gen ones.

I find it interesting that everyone sees it as so offensive to initiate a charge back and hurt the glorious retailers while comparing them to backstreet drug peddlers and prostitutes.

More to the point.

If, from the beginning, Team Cyclops had stated that there were some issues, that upgrade functionality was planned for the FUTURE (not an included feature) that they had some issues with drive speed that could be fixed with said FUTURE upgrade capabilities. I would be fine. I would have got exactly what I paid for and I would have already moved on to a new chip. Instead it feels as if we are being led on and personally I won't take that.

If your not willing to fight for the money you work for then be prepared to lose it. Some people are fine with that, I am not.

[brimnac]

You here this so much I think it is a way for people to justify the reason they buy modchips on forums when pirating is the real reason. One of the reasons I think this is most kids I know handle DVD media better then most adults do (put DVD in case, put case back on shelf, take out next DVD, put it in the player/console).

Are you kidding? I have a niece that is 9 and she can *and does* still manage to ruin everything. They have no concept of money so they don't handle things as well. Oh, yeah, that and the fact they are KIDS.

Quit assuming that how you live your life is how Bob next door to you lives. Kids do ruin CDs/DVDs, and that is a major reason several people modify their consoles. With no valid way to back up your expensive purchases (I don't know about you, but I don't have $50 to buy WarioWare a second time just because I may fire it up, but may not), there is no other alternative.

That being said: They promised that there would be no DREs (there are) and that there would be upgradability when the demand was there (the demand is here, the upgrade is not). Even a proof of concept would shut up 99% of these people, even if it came with the disclaimer that it wasn't stable on V1 yet.

[sirish-]

More to the point.

If, from the beginning, Team Cyclops had stated that there were some issues, that upgrade functionality was planned for the FUTURE (not an included feature) that they had some issues with drive speed that could be fixed with said FUTURE upgrade capabilities. I would be fine. I would have got exactly what I paid for and I would have already moved on to a new chip. Instead it feels as if we are being led on and personally I won't take that.

Is Upgrade functionality going to magically materialize in the future? The ability is there even if Cyclops hasn't released something themselves.

The webpage states that the chip plays Wii backups. The chip does what it says it does. Whether or not you think it does it well is an entirely different matter.

[Exley]

Isn't also the case that the WiiKey is advertised as having the 'Backup to SD card' feature but this doesn't actually exist. So it could be argued that the WiiKey was mis-advertised.

As it stands, I've got a Cyclowiz v2 and have just ordered a WiiKey (just in case) but I fully accept that as with everything you buy that is meant to circumvent any kind of protection, there are no guarantees it's gonna work forever or indeed for every individual case. You pay your money, you take your chance.

I'll give you points on this; it is listed on their list of features.

The thing that offsets this for me personally is the fact that before the chip was released they let us know that his feature was not implemented yet and that it would come through in a future update (updates which work by the way :)

But either way the part that matters is, I don't care about SD-Card back ups, I wouldn't buy it over another chip because of it. I would have purchased a different chip because of update functionality.

It’s about what matters to you. If you shell out $50 for a Wiikey because you want SD Card backup functionality and they don't pull through for you then my recommendation is get your money back you were deceived, whether it was intentional (which I doubt) or it was something they really thought they could do, they shouldn’t have made the claim.

I <3 debating.

[mehoo]

idundundumber: you still just dont get it.

i dont think you ever will but heres one last attempt. people know there are problems.. newer games dont read so they need to update, etc. we all understand this. but who ever decided since its a "mod chip" that it warrants the development team taking advantage of that and releasing without proper testing, lying about dates, and having problems that no other chip seems to have. i still fail to see why it being a mod chip has anything to do with conducting proper business.

its simple, we know there may be problems, but at least reputable companies handle the problems responsibly and in a timely manor. cyclops dropped the ball.

yet you still think people were't aware simply because they wont accept it as "normal"... we all know problems can happen but that doesnt mean you just sit there and deal with it if you have options. well you probably do but i dont. and you can keep your honor or whatever you think you have for not complaining, and i'll get a working chip or my 40 bucks back lol.

and to the other comment.. i dont have kids and i treat my discs very well. Some people aren't as lucky however, and these chips do present themselves as a very effective money saver over time. Whether our ignorant government can understand that or not is irrelevant. i'd use another analogy about guns like the other fella, but idundumber would jump all over me again... me personally, im not backing up any games and i dont pretend to be a saint like some do. i frankly just dont think some of these wii games are worth the 50 bucks to be honest. having been a game developer and understanding the self sacrifice it takes to complete one, i have zero respect for these games like warioware that are little more than construction paper graphics and some motion controls. fun? yeah, but not worth 50 dollars when you can get GRAW:2 for that price... how can you possibly justify that difference? and i have yet to meet another game dev who doesnt download games, so don't think they're all saints either.

I have another REAL question, if you have the two wires soldered on the wii for the "upgrade" switch and no switch yet.. could you effectively just touch them together to do an upgrade? doesnt it just complete the circuit?

EDIT: exley: very well said.

[Exley]

Is Upgrade functionality going to magically materialize in the future? The ability is there even if Cyclops hasn't released something themselves.

The webpage states that the chip plays Wii backups. The chip does what it says it does. Whether or not you think it does it well is an entirely different matter.

Here is the feature list from their website, now I know my eyesight is getting worse, I’m having a little trouble, whats that feature at the top of the list. Oh, now I see it, it says Fully Upgradeable via DVD, that’s funny, I can’t be reading that right, can I?

Fully Upgradeable via DVD
Direct Boot of Wii Backups
Direct Boot of GC backups
Direct Boot of homebrew in GC mode
Runs Imported GC games (needs swap)
Built in Audio fix (no patch requried)
Compatible with multi-disk games
Compatible with DVD-R and DVD+R
Stealth Mode
Multi-Purpose LED
Very easy to install

You are right though, it plays backups, well with the exception of afew games, who cares about those. And the ones it does play, it does without issue, well ok a couple of issues but we have an update for that... oh thats right we don't.

The only magic that will be happening is when "Fully Upgradeable via DVD" magically dissapears off the feature list.

[sirish-]

Here is the feature list from their website, now I know my eyesight is getting worse, I’m having a little trouble, whats that feature at the top of the list. Oh, now I see it, it says Fully Upgradeable via DVD, that’s funny, I can’t be reading that right, can I?


...

Ok, let me rephrase what I said since you are having trouble understanding.
The ability to update is PREEXISITING. Just because Cyclops hasn't released an update does not mean they lied about the chip being upgradeable. They could technically never release an update and still not have lied.

It is POSSIBLE for you to write your own upgrade if you are passionate enough about making use of every last feature you payed for.

[mehoo]

...

Ok, let me rephrase what I said since you are having trouble understanding.
The ability to update is PREEXISITING. Just because Cyclops hasn't released an update does not mean they lied about the chip being upgradeable. They could technically never release an update and still not have lied.

It is POSSIBLE for you to write your own upgrade if you are passionate enough about making use of every last feature you payed for.


two points:

they lied about releasing the update what is it.. 3 times now? so yeah they still lied.

and if u pay for something advertised why should you have to make it yourself? you guys crack me up.

[idunder]

two points:

they lied about releasing the update what is it.. 3 times now? so yeah they still lied.

and if u pay for something advertised why should you have to make it yourself? you guys crack me up.

You have a very slanted view of the world, every time something gets put off in life to think everone is lying to you?

I am even surprised some of you even bothered to order a modchip. You could have just waited and programmed a microcontroller yourself.

I love the guy that is fighting for his money the best. If felt like I was fighting that hard for 40 bucks I would stop, my time is worth more then $40.00

Oh but then you would have no one to blame but yourself when it does not work ;)

[Exley]

Lying by omission is still lying, though I will continue my post assuming its not.

...

Ok, let me rephrase what I said since you are having trouble understanding.
The ability to update is PREEXISITING. Just because Cyclops hasn't released an update does not mean they lied about the chip being upgradeable. They could technically never release an update and still not have lied.

It is POSSIBLE for you to write your own upgrade if you are passionate enough about making use of every last feature you payed for.


I apologize, I did misunderstand your previous post.

So bascially what your saying is that Team Cyclops is not lying, they are just deceitful and have basically tricked us into buying their product. Their list should read if I am understanding you right:

Fully Upgradeable via DVD (Upgrades might be made available)
Direct Boot of Wii Backups (Some backups will not work until upgrade)
Direct Boot of GC backups
Direct Boot of homebrew in GC mode
Runs Imported GC games (needs swap)
Built in Audio fix (no patch requried)
Compatible with multi-disk games
Compatible with DVD-R and DVD+R
Stealth Mode
Multi-Purpose LED
Very easy to install (And remove, for other modchip install)

That’s like buying a prop plane with proprietary propeller not included, they might release one someday though, you can always make your own. Gee, thanks.


I think I liked it better when they were just plain lying to me.

Interestingly their competitors website lists a near verbatim feature, "Fully Upgradeable via DVD". Apparantly in this case it means somthing totally different.


Just a little paraphrase here.

It is POSSIBLE for you to write your own upgrade if you are passionate enough about making use of every last feature you payed for.

Quite right, every feature I paid for and now that I have received my paid for product (which cost a nice bit more than a chip I could have made myself) I find that in order to use the features I paid for I can write my own upgrade. And while furiously working away on my upgrade, my neighbor who purchased a different product sleeps soundly, knowing he can upgrade quite easily. Sounds like I might need a refund.


One more thing, I don’t want my prop plane example blown out of proportion with people saying things like:

”Its not like the propeller that’s to integral to the planes main function, the Cylco still flys” blah blah

The prop plane represents upgrades which for those of use unable to make our own “propeller” our plane is currently grounded.

[Pacotera]

idunder, im using wiiskas that i programmed myself... paied like a buck and a half for the chip...

But i still find quite funny those who bought cyclo v1 and are hoping for the upgrade that will probably never be released :D

[mehoo]

idunder, im using wiiskas that i programmed myself... paied like a buck and a half for the chip...

But i still find quite funny those who bought cyclo v1 and are hoping for the upgrade that will probably never be released :D


unfortunately i make oodles of money to be an artist not a programmer.. i wish i could do that stuff, so more props to ya.

Although i do not think its funny that we kinda all got ripped off. how bout this too.. if the rumors are true then those of us who waited after the gen 1 chips and bought the gen2 are still screwed because eventhough the upgrade supposedly works fine with our chips we're being held back by the v1 people.

40 dollars isnt alot of money but once again idundumber you miss the point.. AGAIN. this seems to be regular fashion with you... the quantity of the money is not the issue here. it seems you cant focus on the truth so you hop around it like a jack russell fucking terrier on all of these issues that are completely irrelevant. I'm at work getting paid to whine about it and make fun of you so i don't see it as a big deal to fight for my 40 dollars.

[idunder]

unfortunately i make oodles of money to be an artist not a programmer.. i wish i could do that stuff, so more props to ya.

Although i do not think its funny that we kinda all got ripped off. how bout this too.. if the rumors are true then those of us who waited after the gen 1 chips and bought the gen2 are still screwed because eventhough the upgrade supposedly works fine with our chips we're being held back by the v1 people.

40 dollars isnt alot of money but once again idundumber you miss the point.. AGAIN. this seems to be regular fashion with you... the quantity of the money is not the issue here. it seems you cant focus on the truth so you hop around it like a jack russell fucking terrier on all of these issues that are completely irrelevant. I'm at work getting paid to whine about it and make fun of you so i don't see it as a big deal to fight for my 40 dollars.


MY POINT HAS BEEN THIS IS TO BE EXPECTED WITH GEN 1 CHIPS.

And that it's NOT the dealers fault. So charge backs F*ck with the wrong party. And it's sketchy, given what this is for.

YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY.

If you had, you would not be in this predicement. You would have waited.

What is even more funny is after they come out with an update. (Or someone else does) All your crying and moaning and sending crap back will have been for nothing. All over a 42.00 modchip that does currently work with the MAJORITY of wii titles and most if not all of the GC titles. There is a thing called "cutting your losses" for 42.00 I personally would have cut my losses long ago if it was that critical to me, like it sounds like it is for you.

[Exley]

You have a very slanted view of the world, every time something gets put off in life to think everone is lying to you?

I am even surprised some of you even bothered to order a modchip. You could have just waited and programmed a microcontroller yourself.

I love the guy that is fighting for his money the best. If felt like I was fighting that hard for 40 bucks I would stop, my time is worth more then $40.00

Oh but then you would have no one to blame but yourself when it does not work ;)

Delays are expected with any new technology. Honestly, none of us know the truth; they might be working on an update this very moment it might work beautifully. They need to tell us something to make us feel like we didn't get shafted.

"Dear Customers,

The upgrade process has some unexpected issues that were trying to work out, we will get it out to you as soon as possible, were not sure when but hopefully soon. Thank you for investing in our chip, we won't let you down"

The "this week" thing seems to me, like they are trying to get more people to buy the chip believing they will have an update "this week". Just be up front and honest and I'll be happy.

The credit card reversal window doesn't last forever, if I feel like I’m getting ripped off for $5, $50 or $500 its my money, it represents the time and effort I put into making it and I’m not giving it away I think more of my time than you do apparently.

Most lottery winners don't stay millionaires forever, you know why? They got something for nothing, like a child getting money from parents and they don't appreciate it, before they know it, it’s gone. Hard work, investments and financial planning are how you make your time worth $. I invested my money in this product under false pretenses and now I want out, thankfully I have that ability.

If your willing to give away $50 for something that doesn’t perform at the level you expect than I would have to assume you are under 25 and/or don’t appreciate your value.

If the product works to your expectation and your happy with it than your $50 investment will seem sound in your eyes and that’s fine. If that is the case I can see why you have a hard time grasping my point of view. I have made poor investments in the past and that is a terrible feeling which I try my best to avoid. I hope that your upgrade gets released and I hope it works great for you. I just see the signs and I am not willing to take the risk. Good luck to you.

[whackawookie]

idunder, im using wiiskas that i programmed myself... paied like a buck and a half for the chip...

But i still find quite funny those who bought cyclo v1 and are hoping for the upgrade that will probably never be released :D

so because you have a pic programmer you assume your knowledgeable in the field of programming? sorry to burst your bubble but back in the days of psx chips people who only knew of soldering were programming there own chips with programmers that were readily available from teamneo or anyother site selling them.

[idunder]

Delays are expected with any new technology. Honestly, none of us know the truth; they might be working on an update this very moment it might work beautifully. They need to tell us something to make us feel like we didn't get shafted.

"Dear Customers,

The upgrade process has some unexpected issues that were trying to work out, we will get it out to you as soon as possible, were not sure when but hopefully soon. Thank you for investing in our chip, we won't let you down"

The "this week" thing seems to me, like they are trying to get more people to buy the chip believing they will have an update "this week". Just be up front and honest and I'll be happy.

The credit card reversal window doesn't last forever, if I feel like I’m getting ripped off for $5, $50 or $500 its my money, it represents the time and effort I put into making it and I’m not giving it away I think more of my time than you do apparently.

Most lottery winners don't stay millionaires forever, you know why? They got something for nothing, like a child getting money from parents and they don't appreciate it, before they know it, it’s gone. Hard work, investments and financial planning are how you make your time worth $. I invested my money in this product under false pretenses and now I want out, thankfully I have that ability.

If your willing to give away $50 for something that doesn’t perform at the level you expect than I would have to assume you are under 25 and/or don’t appreciate your value.

If the product works to your expectation and your happy with it than your $50 investment will seem sound in your eyes and that’s fine. If that is the case I can see why you have a hard time grasping my point of view. I have made poor investments in the past and that is a terrible feeling which I try my best to avoid. I hope that your upgrade gets released and I hope it works great for you. I just see the signs and I am not willing to take the risk. Good luck to you.


OK I think I understand that you feel like your giving your $50.00 away, even though you have a chip that runs the majority of titles fine, and it's very high if you include all GC stuff also.

But if you want to get legal, you bought your chip under these statements from TeamCyclops:

Fully Upgadeable via DVD
Direct Boot of Wii Backups
Direct Boot of GC backups
Direct Boot of homebrew in GC mode
Runs Imported GC games (needs swap)
Built in Audio fix (no patch requried)
Compatible with multi-disk games
Compatible with DVD-R and DVD+R
Stealth Mode
Multi-Purpose LED
Very easy to install


That is OFFICIALLY what was stated at pre-release time till release.

It says NO WHERE that it runs 100% of anything, there are no specific guarantees of anything. (Other then the upgrade, and that cannot be dismissed since they still claim one is coming)

So for you to pay $50.00 for a chip under the asumption that it will run everything fine, is really your problem. It was NEVER stated how well it would run specific things.

If your going to repond and say, "But wait they then promised an update", would that mean if they NEVER had mentioned updated capability then you would have been fine with paying the 50.00 for what you currently have?

Because if they never announced an update, you would still have gotten what was stated.

Now in reality I do think they will announce an update or a trade in if the rumor monger among you are right and it's not really upgrable.

I am not some Cylcowiz "fanboy" I have a WIIKEY!! I wanted a Cyclowiz, but 2 dealers fell through on me. I completly expected stuff like this to happen. It always does on gen 1 stuff. Do I blame the maker of the chip? No, given the type of product it is no. And I still think they will hold up their side of things one way or another. They have some big dealers selling their products.

[Pacotera]

so because you have a pic programmer you assume your knowledgeable in the field of programming? sorry to burst your bubble but back in the days of psx chips people who only knew of soldering were programming there own chips with programmers that were readily available from teamneo or anyother site selling them.

Ohh so i used the wrong word... the end of the world.... :rolleyes:

so i BURNED the pic myself...

Its better for you?

The point is that i paied cheap for a chip that works BETTER then the cyclo commercial 40 dollars one....

I think thats kind of ironic :)

[LenLen]

The problem isn't that we're now homeless because of having to buy two chips.

The problem is one of honesty and integrity in a product you make, and how you advertise it. You're indifference to the concept is startling.

Let's pretend you're buying a car. You're at the dealer, who has a used lexus for the same price as a new corolla. The dealer tells you (but doesn't show you) that the corolla does and has everything the lexus does. Then he leaves you to decide based on what he told you, instead of showing you. You buy the New Corolla, then find out that he lied to you, and you could have had a luxury car.

There are laws preventing dealerships from doing things like that *FOR A REASON*. They MAKE you test drive cars before you CAN buy them! (If it wasn't the law, they'd do the above scenario to make more money).

Do you get it now, or will you dance around the issue again?

[idunder]

The problem isn't that we're now homeless because of having to buy two chips.

The problem is one of honesty and integrity in a product you make, and how you advertise it. You're indifference to the concept is startling.

Let's pretend you're buying a car. You're at the dealer, who has a used lexus for the same price as a new corolla. The dealer tells you (but doesn't show you) that the corolla does and has everything the lexus does. Then he leaves you to decide based on what he told you, instead of showing you. You buy the New Corolla, then find out that he lied to you, and you could have had a luxury car.

There are laws preventing dealerships from doing things like that *FOR A REASON*. They MAKE you test drive cars before you CAN buy them! (If it wasn't the law, they'd do the above scenario to make more money).

Do you get it now, or will you dance around the issue again?

This is not a car, it's a device to circumvent copy protection, which is not LEGAL (to copy a game) in the USA and other places. It does not matter if it's for backups or not.

To compare this with other legal products is not a good comparison.

If it was legal, you would have the manufacture actually in the USA and the products development would be at a different level. (Like cars)

That is not dancing around.

And you say honesty!!! hahah this is a device that can play illegal copies of software, and your talking about honesty an integrity.


Like I said before: (Which you never sited this LIST of items)



Originally Posted by LenLen
IThat isn't the issue. We were advertised a list of features that aren't there.



Please list these features that aren't there

This is from their website:

Fully Upgadeable via DVD
Direct Boot of Wii Backups
Direct Boot of GC backups
Direct Boot of homebrew in GC mode
Runs Imported GC games (needs swap)
Built in Audio fix (no patch requried)
Compatible with multi-disk games
Compatible with DVD-R and DVD+R
Stealth Mode
Multi-Purpose LED
Very easy to install

[Exley]

That is OFFICIALLY what was stated at pre-release time till release.

It says NO WHERE that it runs 100% of anything, there are no specific guarantees of anything. (Other then the upgrade, and that cannot be dismissed since they still claim one is coming)

Your right on this, I didn’t expect it to run 100% of everything. Another thing I didn’t expect was that it would make my drive speed all wacky. That seems like something you might notice during development. But that really isn’t my point, my problem lies below the next quote =).


So for you to pay $50.00 for a chip under the asumption that it will run everything fine, is really your problem. It was NEVER stated how well it would run specific things.

If your going to repond and say, "But wait they then promised an update", would that mean if they NEVER had mentioned updated capability then you would have been fine with paying the 50.00 for what you currently have?

If they had never mentioned the update capability, then I would have never purchased the chip, at all, never. Its competitors were promising the same and upgradeability is a big deal to me. I know its not for others but this seemed like a really cool feature and was the “hook” for me personally and the reason I did not wait for a competitor’s chip.

It feels like they knew the upgrade functions wouldn’t be here anytime soon if at all and they saw their competitor and they thought “Oh crap, we better not say anything or no one is going to buy our chip”. And I don’t appreciate that.

I get that for something like this not everything is going to work all the time. But I go over to my neighbors and he now has a WiiKey popped in, I pop in the setup disc and watched him pop in the new update disc and I just think to myself… damn it.


Because if they never announced an update, you would still have gotten what was stated.

Now in reality I do think they will announce an update or a trade in if the rumor monger among you are right and it's not really upgrable.

I am not some Cylcowiz "fanboy" I have a WIIKEY!! I wanted a Cyclowiz, but 2 dealers fell through on me. I completly expected stuff like this to happen. It always does on gen 1 stuff. Do I blame the maker of the chip? No, given the type of product it is no. And I still think they will hold up their side of things one way or another. They have some big dealers selling their products.

I hope so, for all the people that are hanging on.

[idunder]

Your right on this, I didn’t expect it to run 100% of everything. Another thing I didn’t expect was that it would make my drive speed all wacky. That seems like something you might notice during development. But that really isn’t my point, my problem lies below the next quote =).



If they had never mentioned the update capability, then I would have never purchased the chip, at all, never. Its competitors were promising the same and upgradeability is a big deal to me. I know its not for others but this seemed like a really cool feature and was the “hook” for me personally and the reason I did not wait for a competitor’s chip.

It feels like they knew the upgrade functions wouldn’t be here anytime soon if at all and they saw their competitor and they thought “Oh crap, we better not say anything or no one is going to buy our chip”. And I don’t appreciate that.

I get that for something like this not everything is going to work all the time. But I go over to my neighbors and he now has a WiiKey popped in, I pop in the setup disc and watched him pop in the new update disc and I just think to myself… damn it.



I hope so, for all the people that are hanging on.


If they NEVER give an update and do not allow a trade in (if upgrade is not possible) Like Wiinja did, I fully understand trying to get a refund.

But they have stated that it is upgradable from the get go, they have stated they are working on the update that brings xxx new features, and the last time they updated it regarding adding the additional functionality that other chips have was Feb 26th which is less then 2 weeks ago. I don't think that since it's not out yet, that guarantees they are lying to anyone.

[Pacotera]

LOL!

idunder keeps banging in the LEGAL wall...just cause your live in USA and you have that shitty DMCA...please shut up :)

and what about ALL THE OTHER people that bought the chip in countries that modchip is 100% LEGAL?

So please, dont use the legal crap anymore if you dont know ANYTHING other then USA laws...

[idunder]

LOL!

idunder keeps banging in the LEGAL wall...just cause your live in USA and you have that shitty DMCA...please shut up :)

and what about ALL THE OTHER people that bought the chip in countries that modchip is 100% LEGAL?

So please, dont use the legal crap anymore if you dont know ANYTHING other then USA laws...

It's not only the USA that it's illegal to copy games.

What country are you in?

I just looked and besides the USA, UK has had precidence set that Modchips are NOT legal.

"Sony v. Ball UK High Court June 2004 in the UK, it was found that Modchips were illegal devices"

The only place I can find where it is legal 100% (that follow copyright laws) is Australia, and Italy.

[Pacotera]

It's not only the USA that it's illegal to copy games.

What country are you in?

I just looked and besides the USA, UK has had precidence set that Modchips are NOT legal.

"Sony v. Ball UK High Court June 2004 in the UK, it was found that Modchips were illegal devices"

The only place I can find where it is legal 100% (that follow copyright laws) is Australia, and Italy.

who said anything aboout copying games?

Modchip copy games for you? IM ONLY talking about the DEVICE!!!

its not legal here in brazil...

if you gonna use to play piracy (ILEGAL) or homebews (LEGAL) thats your problem

[Exley]

If they NEVER give an update and do not allow a trade in (if upgrade is not possible) Like Wiinja did, I fully understand trying to get a refund.

But they have stated that it is upgradable from the get go, they have stated they are working on the update that brings xxx new features, and the last time they updated it regarding adding the additional functionality that other chips have was Feb 26th which is less then 2 weeks ago. I don't think that since it's not out yet, that guarantees they are lying to anyone.

You are correct they may not be lying, and in fact I think they are really trying or at least at one point were really trying to get this chip an upgrade. It's in their best interest to. But I thought, like many others, that this was an already working function, its not and now its beginning to feel like there is a chance it won't ever be.

Problem is the retailer won't accept a return, so, I have one final course of action i.e. charge back. Thing is, there is a time limit on this, once the time limit runs out, we're stuck holding the ball. I reccomend you wait as long as possible to use this option, wait and see if an upgrade comes out, wait to see if you can live with the Cyclowiz in its current form. After that try to go through the retailer, see if they will give you store credit or an exhchange, something to that effect. As a FINAL option you have charge back.

[Avenger]

Problem is the retailer won't accept a return, so, I have one final course of action i.e. charge back. Thing is, there is a time limit on this, once the time limit runs out, we're stuck holding the ball. I reccomend you wait as long as possible to use this option, wait and see if an upgrade comes out, wait to see if you can live with the Cyclowiz in its current form. After that try to go through the retailer, see if they will give you store credit or an exhchange, something to that effect. As a FINAL option you have charge back.
Instead of being a tool and doing a chargeback to the innocent retailer, why not try asking them what can be done? It is just common courtesy and decency. Doing a chargeback should only happen if you could not resolve it amicably.

[Pacotera]

Instead of being a tool and doing a chargeback to the innocent retailer, why not try asking them what can be done? It is just common courtesy and decency. Doing a chargeback should only happen if you could not resolve it amicably.


Their mailbox must be full of so many complains about his update

3 DELAYS!!! cant you get it? People who bought cyclowiz tried to resolve amicably and didnt work , so if i was one of them i would have get a refund already...

[PSPWAD]

1) PSP were bricked by user error,
If I had not seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it either, but it was NOT user error.

2) http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=407166&postcount=5
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=407372&postcount=14
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=408318&postcount=21

I don't understand, is proper testing of a feature advertised really that much to ask?
Be nice if you had a RELIABLE source...guess that's too much to ask...