Qoob Chip BIOS Released

[Zeus]

The Bios for the QOOB Chip has been released.

No documentation released with it so check QoobChip.com (http://www.qoobchip.com for features!)

[plan-9]

cant wait to hear some reviews on this chip. will really like to check out this bios and see if it was made from a leaked cobra 1.0

[rivlez]

i can't wait till it gets decrypted and other people can use the no swap and such. we shall see soon enough!

[ivc]

rivlez: you should read the front news page :)

[gulliver]

don't buy a qoob! they're a bunch of thieving bastards!

[rivlez]

Originally posted by ivc
rivlez: you should read the front news page :)

wtf are you talking about?

[Artlover]

Originally posted by gulliver
don't buy a qoob! they're a bunch of thieving bastards!
Why don't you hold off judgement till some evidence of this claim exists.

Originally posted by rivlez
wtf are you talking about?
Other people are already using no-swap. :rolleyes:

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Artlover
Why don't you hold off judgement till some evidence of this claim exists.


Other people are already using no-swap. :rolleyes:

I'm going strictly by what metalcube said in the nfo and I have no reason not to trust them since they haven't let us down before.

[DarkAkuma]

PSO/BBA, SD/AR, MC/AR, and Max Drive users are useing no-swap?

If so i dont know how i could have missed that.

Not everyone has/wants a viper. rivlez was most likely thinking about it being decrypted and used with those methods. Viper booting is only a fraction of the gc scene.

[shangrula]

not really it's source seems to power the rest now.

[gulliver]

Originally posted by DarkAkuma
PSO/BBA, SD/AR, MC/AR, and Max Drive users are useing no-swap?

If so i dont know how i could have missed that.

Not everyone has/wants a viper. rivlez was most likely thinking about it being decrypted and used with those methods. Viper booting is only a fraction of the gc scene.

I'm talking about it being decrypted too. qoob had to have decrypted it in order to steal it from cobra.

I'm not saying everyone should get a viper. what I'm saying is that no one should get the qoob.

obviously the viper isn't the whole scene (I don't recall claiming that it was). But it is most of the scene; I really don't think you can argue much about that. Even if you wanna talk about PSO/BBA, SD/AR, etc., they need gcos to play backups, and: without cobra, there wouldn't be gcos (I'm not saying anything bad about them at all; I think they're great), without viper there wouldn't be cobra. So I would say viper is quite a large chunk of the scene.

Edit: who said PSO/BBA, SD/AR, MC/AR, and Max Drive users are using no-swap? I don't even think that's possible yet.

[Artlover]

Originally posted by gulliver
I'm going strictly by what metalcube said in the nfo
Mentalcube = Cobra
Cobra = Viper
Viper = associated with PS2sucks.

Isn't that about how it works?

There is a self serving interest to be had in distorting the truth. Viper sales and profit for PS2sucks. Soon as someone compares the Qoob & Cobra 1.0 bios's, we'll know.

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Artlover
Mentalcube = Cobra
Cobra = Viper
Viper = associated with PS2sucks.

Isn't that about how it works?

There is a self serving interest to be had in distorting the truth. Viper sales and profit for PS2sucks. Soon as someone compares the Qoob & Cobra 1.0 bios's, we'll know.

Just because cobra has ties with ps2sucks doesn't mean anything. They probably didn't know any better at the time and are now regretting. Did you read the nfo where they gave gcos props? that was awesome. I bet ps2sucks is pissing their pants over that:D

[DarkAkuma]

Originally posted by gulliver
I'm talking about it being decrypted too. qoob had to have decrypted it in order to steal it from cobra.

I'm not saying everyone should get a viper. what I'm saying is that no one should get the qoob.

obviously the viper isn't the whole scene (I don't recall claiming that it was). But it is most of the scene; I really don't think you can argue much about that. Even if you wanna talk about PSO/BBA, SD/AR, etc., they need gcos to play backups, and: without cobra, there wouldn't be gcos (I'm not saying anything bad about them at all; I think they're great), without viper there wouldn't be cobra. So I would say viper is quite a large chunk of the scene.

Edit: who said PSO/BBA, SD/AR, MC/AR, and Max Drive users are using no-swap? I don't even think that's possible yet.

I'm completely against people getting qoob too. Stealing stuff for profit is realy lame.

My coments about people thinking the whole gc scene revolves around viper just comes from being annoyed by what i read people post around here. Alot of viper users just dont realize that their way isnt the only way. PSO/BBA has been around for AWHILE, so alot of people boot that way. SD/AR is cheaper then viper i think, and boots up quick enough. These are both popular boot methods. Yeah they use gcos, which uses drivecode originaly made by cobra. I'm not saying mental cube hasent helped out the scene ALOT. But the viper chip specificly, i'm saying the scene doesent revolve around.

[Arakon]

Just because cobra has ties with ps2sucks doesn't mean anything. They probably didn't know any better at the time and are now regretting.

riiiight... wtf did you smoke? ps2sucks IS DMS = viper.

why do you think did they try to **** over an anti-ps2ownz guy by trying to force him to host cobra 1.0 or it wouldn't be released? why do you think did they **** with people for 8 hours before release, making up new demands what needs to be done for them to release it at all?

[gulliver]

Originally posted by DarkAkuma
I'm completely against people getting qoob too. Stealing stuff for profit is realy lame.

My coments about people thinking the whole gc scene revolves around viper just comes from being annoyed by what i read people post around here. Alot of viper users just dont realize that their way isnt the only way. PSO/BBA has been around for AWHILE, so alot of people boot that way. SD/AR is cheaper then viper i think, and boots up quick enough. These are both popular boot methods. Yeah they use gcos, which uses drivecode originaly made by cobra. I'm not saying mental cube hasent helped out the scene ALOT. But the viper chip specificly, i'm saying the scene doesent revolve around.

That's cool, I'm totally with you. I'm not a viper fanboy at all. I too hate people that act like it doesn't exist just because they have a viper. GCOS has helped the community a lot and I don't wanna try to take away from that. I just think the qoob should be boycotted and ignored till they sink back in the ground.

Also, I'm glad people can use SD/AR. It seems like a great method for those who don't want a chip. But as far as chips go, viper/cobra is the best...there's no question there. And once the sources for cobra and qoob bios are out and everyone sees they're basically the same, qoob should burn in hell...I'll be first in line with the pitchfork:D

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Arakon
riiiight... wtf did you smoke? ps2sucks IS DMS = viper.

why do you think did they try to **** over an anti-ps2ownz guy by trying to force him to host cobra 1.0 or it wouldn't be released? why do you think did they **** with people for 8 hours before release, making up new demands what needs to be done for them to release it at all?

this is getting tiresome...anyway, ps2sucks is not the same as cobra. that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. if you really think ps2sucks is smart enough to make a bios, let alone one as good as cobra, then i'm pretty sure you're the one smoking something.

do you really think cobra would praise gcos if they were ps2sucks? try reading the nfo that came with the bios and take these ps2sucks/cobra being the same people crap rumor you made up to a different forum. that's just garbage.

[Monkey]

I got a serious question here.

How can people loading it through bba+pso and ar and memory card/sd card have no swap.

Even if it was decrypted as I understand it you would still need to start with AR , or PSO , which mean you gotta swap disc .

So isn't it kinda impossible to have no swap that way.

Unless I misunderstand and you can load without using pso or ar?.

[Arakon]

the DMS team is getting paid by ps2ownz. of course that idiot cjpjcwhatever isn't capable of coding anything.

[Nick101181]

I for one might just grab a qoob when I get the dough. Piss on those ps2scene mofos, I don't care if the bios was stolen or not. Anything to take money out of those damn idiots pockets are good enough for me.

[nukleuzdj]

Originally posted by Monkey
I got a serious question here.

How can people loading it through bba+pso and ar and memory card/sd card have no swap.

Even if it was decrypted as I understand it you would still need to start with AR , or PSO , which mean you gotta swap disc .

So isn't it kinda impossible to have no swap that way.

Unless I misunderstand and you can load without using pso or ar?.

no swap for soft mod users is not needed because we will always need to use a disc to boot the hack first
all it does is open allow rip off mod chip creators to get a free no swap bios (like ninja)

[shangrula]

@monkey: they can't, ever, not without a modchip.

@Arakon: dont u mean ps2ownz get paid by DMS? They advertise and are a risk free portal for the chip and it's 'unrelated' bios for it. It's also an easy portal becuase admin can just be wankers and say 'shut up' to members which is great for mentalteam,viper as they dont have to give support. As for Ps2ownz, they can ban happily and it's cashback if the member comes back and pays $20, enough of these and they can pay for their digs in ** ;)

@Nick101181: might as well get an updated ripper with that attitude :\


as for different booting methods I think being spoilt for choice is always a great thing :)

[Artlover]

Originally posted by gulliver
Just because cobra has ties with ps2sucks doesn't mean anything.
Maybe not, but it still makes them look bad regardless and hurts their credibility.

Originally posted by gulliver
Did you read the nfo where they gave gcos props?
Yeah, it's meaningless too. Two different groups: softmoders and hardmoders. Softmod's are not in any direct competition with them.

Bottom line: they profit from viper sales, and you arn't going to get viper sales if other chips come out that can do the same thing. So if you want to keep getting sales, you got to do something to hurt the competition.

You honestly do not know for a fact that their claim is true. And until someone compare the bios images, we won't.

But yet you're so willing to believe people who have a reason to lie and join in on trying to ruin a new upcomming modchip maker without any evidence or proof of wrong doing besides an unsubstantiated claim by someone with a profit margin to protect. One paragraph of text in an nfo file by a biased source ISN'T proof.

Maybe it's true, and if that is the case, then yeah, boycot the qoob. But WAIT till there is some PROOF of this first. I don't think that is being unreasonable or asking too much, is it?

[DarkAkuma]

Yeah, us pso/bba sd/ar users will still have to swap. But what the decrypted bios would ad for us as far as swaping goes, is we would be able to swap out at own leisure. No timed swap BS. Soon as the bios screen is loaded, we can slowly take pso/ar out, put the backup in, and press a button to start.

[Nick101181]

Attitude or not, people with morals say " oh don't buy the qoob because the bios might be stolen"

A: think about who it's stolen from... people in league with those ps2ownz/scene assholes who ban ppl left and right
B : why doesn't it seem fair to buy the qoob when they basically stole a lot of people's money by running that IP banning Scam and was charging like 20 bucks a pop for access to their messageboard?


It's basically the old saying of " what goes around comes around "

[rivlez]

hold on, don't you all realize we steal every fucking day you retards! wtf makes us right doing what we do but people using other peoples bios's is so wrong, just stfu and play some cube.

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Artlover
Maybe not, but it still makes them look bad regardless and hurts their credibility.


Yeah, it's meaningless too. Two different groups: softmoders and hardmoders. Softmod's are not in any direct competition with them.

Bottom line: they profit from viper sales, and you arn't going to get viper sales if other chips come out that can do the same thing. So if you want to keep getting sales, you got to do something to hurt the competition.

You honestly do not know for a fact that their claim is true. And until someone compare the bios images, we won't.

But yet you're so willing to believe people who have a reason to lie and join in on trying to ruin a new upcomming modchip maker without any evidence or proof of wrong doing besides an unsubstantiated claim by someone with a profit margin to protect. One paragraph of text in an nfo file by a biased source ISN'T proof.

Maybe it's true, and if that is the case, then yeah, boycot the qoob. But WAIT till there is some PROOF of this first. I don't think that is being unreasonable or asking too much, is it?

of course they're in competition with each other. If people think it's easier not to solder and they can still get most of the features, there's a good chance they'll choose the AR method if they were considering viper. that makes them in compettion with them.

besides that fact, it's not meaningless that they gave props to gcos because it's a stab in the back to ps2sucks. believe me, they're really pissed about it I'm sure. Did you ever see a gcos topic successfully go through the message boards over there? I didn't think so.

you can say maybe this, maybe that all you want. but mark my words, when the codes are compared, they will be very identical. Of course there's not solid proof, but there's is some hard circumstantial evidence. It's quite a big coincidence the qoob was announced 2 weeks after cobra 1.0 was leaked.

Attitude or not, people with morals say " oh don't buy the qoob because the bios might be stolen"

A: think about who it's stolen from... people in league with those ps2ownz/scene assholes who ban ppl left and right
B : why doesn't it seem fair to buy the qoob when they basically stole a lot of people's money by running that IP banning Scam and was charging like 20 bucks a pop for access to their messageboard?


It's basically the old saying of " what goes around comes around "

when are you gonna get it through your thick skull...it's moronic to think ps2sucks and viper/cobra are the same people. you really think cobra is the one banning people, you need to either sort out your brain or download a new one.

[0 morgan 0]

Originally posted by rivlez
hold on, don't you all realize we steal every fucking day you retards! wtf makes us right doing what we do but people using other peoples bios's is so wrong, just stfu and play some cube.

theres still honour... like game releasing groups... you might have stolen the game off some company and released it to the masses but if another group steals your release or crack that dishonourable.

Honour among thiefs i believe is the term

[Z80]

All BIOS's for chips are destined to be decrypted/hacked. Get over it. Personally, if you are gonna buy a chip I'd recommend the Viper chip as they really seem to be the leader in any developments.

Everything else isn't anything special and doesn't put you in any advantagous position. Although like I said, eventually the Cobra bios will probably get decrypted so you can use it on any generic chip or code loading method. Personally I'd rather stick with using my AR and Cards than solder anything.

Anyways, something you should all think about, in the end they are ALL out to get YOUR money. It's not about the best features, the thrill, the fun, the technical hacking. It's about making the money. For anyone in my position, you have a way to load things on a non-modded cube like AR, I suggest you just sit tight with GCOS and wait and see what develops.

[gulliver]

Originally posted by 0 morgan 0
theres still honour... like game releasing groups... you might have stolen the game off some company and released it to the masses but if another group steals your release or crack that dishonourable.

Honour among thiefs i believe is the term

excellent...precisely, stealing games off the net is different than stealing code from one company, claiming it's your own, and making a profit off it...this is what's called "the trifecta"

There's a big difference.

[Nick101181]

I know cobra aren't banning people, but it's just bad for the viper/cobra crew to be associated with those kinda people. They could have picked better people to be involved with. For example If I have my own brand of cola that people like, I'm not gonna let a store where the employees piss in the 2 liter bottles sell my product or promote it or even get near it and make me loose business and ruin my reputation. You don't think ps2ownz/scene crew has drove off a good many number of viper customers by their antics? I know they have, you see and hear too many ppl refusing to buy the viper,because of their ps2ownz/scene affiliation.

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Nick101181
I know cobra aren't banning people, but it's just bad for the viper/cobra crew to be associated with those kinda people. They could have picked better people to be involved with. For example If I have my own brand of cola that people like, I'm not gonna let a store where the employees piss in the 2 liter bottles sell my product or promote it or even get near it and make me loose business and ruin my reputation. You don't think ps2ownz/scene crew has drove off a good many number of viper customers by their antics? I know they have, you see and hear too many ppl refusing to buy the viper,because of their ps2ownz/scene affiliation.

hey man, I agree with you 200% but what I'm saying is that at the time viper/cobra was starting out, they probaly didn't know ps2sucks reputation. And I know ps2sucks probably are losing customers for viper/cobra and I'm sure they're pissed about it (especially that they held their 1.0 release hostage. Unless they're bound by some contract, I would hope they'd detach themselves from ps2sucks soon.

[Hajaz]

right now we need someone to verify if qoob does indeed have less dre's, audiofix and multidisk in its current bios.

from what i heard, dre's and multidisk werent fixed in this build, but ill wait for a proper review before judging, so hurry up zeus

[XviD]

I don't care whoever they are, they make great BIOS releases.
Wasn't Mental Cube the first one to find a way to play games without choppy audio and stuff?
I don't give a **** about all these rumours about Viper being dms and stuff.
As long as they keep giving us good stuff, you don't see me complaining.
This release also stop the wankers from complaining about the idle bug, so IMO this release is PERFECT.
They could implement an audio fix tho ;)
As for ownz, I'm not giving em death threats, I just do exactly the opposite thing, just don't visit their website, nobody needs it, we all got this forum.
Hmm btw 1 thing that got my attention in the 1.0 nfo :

³ - Flash the Viper GC with this BIOS then remove the parallel port ³
³ connector from the programmer. If you prefear you can flash this ³
³ BIOS from DVD if you have Cobra 0.3+ already running on your chip. ³
³ We've heard Viper Team will release an USB programmer for the chip ³
³ soon if you prefear USB. ³

³ - If you want to use full-size DVD-R you can remove the top of the ³
³ console. Team Xtender will be releasing replacement lids compatible ³
³ with full DVD-R within two week. Best of all, we learned this week ³
³ that they will be officially Viper GC branded! ³

Who needs a qoob? :D
Rock on Cobra

/XviD

[Hajaz]

imo realeasing a seperate usb programmer at this point isnt needed. it would be nice if they could implement ftp bios flash tho :)

[Nick101181]

the qoob has streaming audio fix ,correct? Also when are maxconsole gonna get some chips to test out?

[Artlover]

Originally posted by gulliver
you can say maybe this, maybe that all you want. but mark my words, when the codes are compared, they will be very identical.
And if that's the case, then fine, bad mouth the qoob all you want. But we do not know this is the case, do we?

It is simply not fair to trash a company based on nothing more then an unsubstatiated claim by a biased source. I really don't understand why so many people have a problem with this concept.

Originally posted by gulliver
Of course there's not solid proof, but there's is some hard circumstantial evidence. It's quite a big coincidence the qoob was announced 2 weeks after cobra 1.0 was leaked.
I seem to remember PS2sucks announcing an new upcomming no-swap chip over a month ago. They further go on later to brag that the Qoob was the no-swap chip they were talking about when qoob officaly went on-line. How does THIS fit in with the supposided leak & 2 week time frame?

Wait, I know, it's a big conspiracy. PS2Sucks is also working with Qoob, knew that mental was working on a noswap bios months ago and told qoob that they would leak a copy to them so they could release a no-swap chip first, thinking qoob could do it in time. Announced a new noswap chip before anyone else knew it existed, then weeks later finaly got their hands on a copy of cobra1.0 and leaked it to qoob. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Originally posted by gulliver
of course they're in competition with each other. If people think it's easier not to solder and they can still get most of the features, there's a good chance they'll choose the AR method if they were considering viper. that makes them in compettion with them.
I don't buy this. There are people that do not want to and never will hardmod for whatever reason. Modchips are not meant for these people. Softmods exist because of those people. Softmods are for people who don't want hardmods. Hardmods are for people who don't want softmods. Just look at the Ps2 & Xbox scene. Plenty of softmod options exist for both. Not hurting the sales of chips for either one. It's simmilar to the logic of the software companies saying piracy equals lost sales. No it doesn't because most of the people pirating never would have bought it anyways. Most soft modders would never go the route of hard modding if that was the only option.

[gulliver]

Originally posted by XviD
I don't care whoever they are, they make great BIOS releases.
Wasn't Mental Cube the first one to find a way to play games without choppy audio and stuff?
I don't give a **** about all these rumours about Viper being dms and stuff.
As long as they keep giving us good stuff, you don't see me complaining.
This release also stop the wankers from complaining about the idle bug, so IMO this release is PERFECT.
They could implement an audio fix tho ;)
As for ownz, I'm not giving em death threats, I just do exactly the opposite thing, just don't visit their website, nobody needs it, we all got this forum.
Hmm btw 1 thing that got my attention in the 1.0 nfo :

³ - Flash the Viper GC with this BIOS then remove the parallel port ³
³ connector from the programmer. If you prefear you can flash this ³
³ BIOS from DVD if you have Cobra 0.3+ already running on your chip. ³
³ We've heard Viper Team will release an USB programmer for the chip ³
³ soon if you prefear USB. ³

³ - If you want to use full-size DVD-R you can remove the top of the ³
³ console. Team Xtender will be releasing replacement lids compatible ³
³ with full DVD-R within two week. Best of all, we learned this week ³
³ that they will be officially Viper GC branded! ³

Who needs a qoob? :D
Rock on Cobra

/XviD

well put, I agree with just about everything, except I do think ps2sucks need more deaththreats, not less;)

imo realeasing a seperate usb programmer at this point isnt needed. it would be nice if they could implement ftp bios flash tho

That's a little selfish, don't ya think...tell that to the people who still can't flash their vipers and find out if they don't think it's important:rolleyes:

@artlover - we're gonna have to agree to disagree for now...I'm too happy about 1.0 and I can't argue anymore for a while. I'll let you know when I'm up for it again-lol

Edit: @artlover - btw...I'm leaving my qoob signature for now, but if I turn out to be wrong, I'll take it off;)

[LoRd AvAtAr]

German Review:

http://www.gamefreax.net/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=000313

Built in Audiostreamfix, but no 2disc support.

[molton]

Originally posted by Nick101181
the qoob has streaming audio fix ,correct? Also when are maxconsole gonna get some chips to test out?

The streaming audio fix is probably just part of the new cobra release. Like half the other "new features" of the qoob, I'm starting to think the only advantage this chip really has is the usb port

[gulliver]

Originally posted by molton
The streaming audio fix is probably just part of the new cobra release. Like half the other "new features" of the qoob, I'm starting to think the only advantage this chip really has is the usb port

you can scratch that advantage. viper will soon have a usb programmer available:)

[Hajaz]

technically its better, simply because of the 2MB flash.
the chip stands or falls with the software support it gets though.
If this bios is indeed based on a leaked cobra, then the Qoob support might be a step behind Mental Cube's depending on how well MC can protect their bioses.

me, i was ready to take my viper out and replace it with qoob when qoob was first announced.

now that its actually here though, it seems its only got audifix as an advantage over ViperGC, witch will prolly be in the next cobra too.

So i think i'll wait until teamexecuter releases a HD addon before i upgrade :)

[molton]

Originally posted by gulliver
you can scratch that advantage. viper will soon have a usb programmer available:)

Sweet, I wanted to get a replacement programmer anyway because I broke the flexwire clip off mine, A usb connection would be great, I wonder if they'll make it so it can be easilly mounted on the back panel somewhere.

According to brakken, cobra 1.0 doesn't fix the audio steaming errors so either the the qoob team fixed it in the leaked cobra, it actuallly is a feature of the chip, or they actually made their own bios for the chip, I hope that's the case because it looks like they put a lot of effort into the production of that chip and their software developments could probably help the whole scene if their work is as good. (I'm also not 100% sure the qoob fixes the audio strewaming issue, I read it somewhere)

Originally posted by Hajaz
technically its better, simply because of the 2MB flash...

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. That could be a nice feature especially with features like the cheat code system that need more space, but I don't know how useful that really is, if it had 2 1MB banks you could switch between and have GCOS and some homebrew projects or something on another that'd be better I think, I wonder if that'll be possible with the qoob.

[Hajaz]

it does fix audiostream, all the rest looks the same as cobra 1.0 though

review : http://www.gamefreax.net/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=000313

[Artlover]

Originally posted by gulliver
@artlover - we're gonna have to agree to disagree for now...I'm too happy about 1.0 and I can't argue anymore for a while. I'll let you know when I'm up for it again-lol

Edit: @artlover - btw...I'm leaving my qoob signature for now, but if I turn out to be wrong, I'll take it off;)
Guilty till proven innocent.

Either way, talk of the new no-swap chips existed BEFORE this supposed leak. Nuff said. :rolleyes:

[gulliver]

Originally posted by molton
Sweet, I wanted to get a replacement programmer anyway because I broke the flexwire clip off mine, A usb connection would be great, I wonder if they'll make it so it can be easilly mounted on the back panel somewhere.

According to brakken, cobra 1.0 doesn't fix the audio steaming errors so either the the qoob team fixed it in the leaked cobra, it actuallly is a feature of the chip, or they actually made their own bios for the chip, I hope that's the case because it looks like they put a lot of effort into the production of that chip and their software developments could probably help the whole scene if their work is as good. (I'm also not 100% sure the qoob fixes the audio strewaming issue, I read it somewhere)


cobra's gonna fix the audio in a future release; it's in the nfo

Originally posted by artlover
Guilty till proven innocent.

Either way, talk of the new no-swap chips existed BEFORE this supposed leak. Nuff said.

It doesn't matter if talk about the no-swap chip existed BEFORE the leak (I guess now it's "supposed," you're pretty damn stubborn - lol you don't even believe there was a leak?) because cobra has been working on this bios long before the mention of a no-swap chip; therefore, the beta testers and whoever else would've known 1.0 was gonna be no-swap obviously told people. There was even someone on this forum (can't remember who) said they'd known for 2 months that 1.0 was gonna be no-swap. btw...the person wasn't a noob.

And the guilty till proven innocent thing...since when is a mod forum a court of law? (not that the courts do it that way either;))

[Artlover]

Originally posted by gulliver
It doesn't matter if talk about the no-swap chip existed BEFORE the leak
Ok, why exactly would someone announce an upcomming no-swap chip if it wasn't no-swap? The first mention of this chip and it's no-swap feature was 3-3-05. Which assuming the 2 week timeline puts it before when the leak took place.

The claim is that qoob stole code from the leaked cobra. The ps2sucks & qoob people must have been able to see into the future then and knew in advance that cobra would be leaked for them to steal and use in their chip.

Maybe Qoob had inside information that the cobra bios would be leaked, so that's why they made claims of features they didn't have in advance?

Should I repeat my conspiracy theory of PS2sucks & qoob working together from the start?

Or maybe Qoob already had it's own code, and thats why they claimed to have the features. Just a thought.

[Xboxmodder999]

It was leaked a month ago, look in the NFO file;) , which makes it 3-4 days before the First No swap chip(the Qoob) was announched.

[gulliver]

When the codes are released the truth will be seen...

Until then, as I said before, this isn't a court of law and I, as well as many others, see enough evidence to believe they stole their code. Others believe the opposite. With the information we have right now, we have exhausted all possibilities and must wait and see.

No further comment will be made on my part until then.

Edit: One more comment. One thing people aren't realizing is that cobra said a month, but this doesn't mean 30 days exactly. It could be a week longer or a week less; we don't know.... I'll leave it at that.

[brakken]

Technically speaking the QOOB is far superior then the Viper can ever be.

Time will tell if buying a QOOB is worth it because the software (BIOS) is what will make or break the chip.

Who cares if QOOB stole the no-swap-code. If you knew anything you would know that DMS/Viper stole everything they currently sell now.

Have you ever downloaded an MP3? LOL. Get over it.

As with the technical side of things; the QOOB has much more potential.

I understand Viper owners trying to justify their purchase(s), but one must realize that chips come and go. Just look at the XBOX or PS2 scene and you'll realize that it starts with one idea which is copied and modified and eventually improved upon.

I do have a suggestion on the Viper BIOS size. Why doesn't someone make a BIOS that uses external files which could be located on a memory/sd card or on the future USB/IDE interface(s)? This in turn might slow down certain features, but would lead to very interesting possibilites.

All in all this is an age old arguement which is based on system vrs system. So technically the QOOB clearly wins in the system specs, but like I stated above it comes down to the software. An example would be a $10,000 PC compared to a $150 gaming console. I rather play the gaming console due to it's good games and could care less about the power it contains.

[Alec]

Brakken, smartly said.

Also, you can never rule out the possibility of the DMS team making up a competitor to either:

A) Screw over people who don't "trust Viper," but still able to make money from it.

B) Insitgate threads such as this one to generate more hype.

I know of a certain administrator who coincidentally is tied to DMS\Viper whom has done such things in the past.

In any instance, arguing over the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

[tX_ram]

There's a german review w/ pictures on the qoob over at www.gamefreax.de .. gotta use a translator if you don't understand german

[abero]

Originally posted by tX_ram
There's a german review w/ pictures on the qoob over at www.gamefreax.de .. gotta use a translator if you don't understand german

to sum the review up :

- qoob doesn't support 2-disc game like tales of symphonia
- qoob doesn't direct boot dvd+r, only dvd-r media
- fixes streaming audio

that's the important things i think... so the only difference for now is the audio fix... besides that qoob has the same problems (2disc,dvd+r) like the cobra 1.0 bios...

so if you already have a viper, wait for the next bios with audio fix, if you haven't got a chip w8 for a 100% conclusion or for now take qoob.

just my 2 cents (i don't think the qoob's that superior, at least not with the current bios...)

[whackawookie]

i like brakkens arguements, they make sense and piss people off at the same time. lol. on a serious note though, i dont see myself buying a new chip now that it has been proven that the viper has the ability to turn from a swap to a nonswap chip by a simple bios and no extra wires. the only thing i do hope to see (if it ever comes a time when its needed) is if more features are needed and unable to get squished into the small limited bios size, to like brakken said, have the left over needs on a memory card, or do like the matrix on xbox did and have a addon space chip aka chameleon, to give that extra room that we might, not definately, need.
only thing qoob has that i want is the audio stream fix, but i know that it will come with patience.

[Xboxmodder999]

Yeah, as of right now, I see no point in getting a Qoob and selling my Viper. The Qoob bios has the same problems as Cobra 1.0(except for audio streaming). It will all come down to what bios releases there are, and what ones are superior.

I have no problems with my Viper, it direct boots all my games, no DRE's. It is doing everything I purchased it for with no problems at all. There are only a few things that need to be fixed, but they will be fixed, and don't really need to be immediate.

If the Qoob, comes out with some absolutely awesome feature(MP3 player isn't really all that cool, unless it is over the network) that the Viper GC can't duplicate, I will be sticking with the Viper GC.

[arrarro]

Now here in Italy it's possible to buy a Viper for 55 euros while QOOB chip has been placed in pre-order @ 79 euros (it will be shipped starting from april 15th). So I think It's wiser to get a Viper atm since QOOB bios seems to be a slightly improved version of Cobra 1.0. This can be compatible with the theory of a stolen Cobra beta, because, if true, Qoob team would have had time to investigate the only problem of audio fix. Only time will tell what chip will win this race but an Mp3 player is not my first priority for a modchip. I have two cubes with Viper on them and I already preordered 10 QOOB chips because I am a modder but I am not so confident in QOOB as I was when it was announced....

[fndude]

All this posturing over who is thieving what is complete rubish. As far as I'm concered untill we get a DIY no-swap chip method (12c508, atmel etc) , and they release thier code, then all these guys can go to hell. There all basing a business on stealing other peoples work and selling it so that the general public can rip off another company, and you guys want to talk ehtics. BLah. Do the right thing, open source release the code and the plans to the community and sell the chips to people that can't build it themselves. Never bought a mod chip and never will. And neither should any of you.

[Brandogg]

It's funny because people say "this group is ripping off this group or that group", when in reality, all the groups, and all of us, are ripping off Nintendo. Who gives 2 shits about which group announced what first, shut the **** up and enjoy your pirated video games.

[Xboxmodder999]

^^^ Agreed

[fndude]

Tmbinc has just hacked and released the cobra drive code. Damn looks like somebody was listening to my rant :D

[crono]

About the qoob bios.

I think most of you already downloaded the bios and loader program.

15 times 128 kb banks?????????

So the bios is just as big as the viper bios is!!!!!!You only can instal more bioses and mebay some programs.

Great future that is.:rolleyes:

[Artlover]

Originally posted by gulliver
Edit: One more comment. One thing people aren't realizing is that cobra said a month, but this doesn't mean 30 days exactly. It could be a week longer or a week less; we don't know.... I'll leave it at that.
Why are you giving them an allowance? I dont know about you, but when I say 2 weeks or 1 month, thats exactly what I mean. Not round about give or take 1 or 2 weeks. You're going out of your way on this point to make up subjective excuses inorder to twist and bend their faulty timeline to fit the facts.

With that said, they speciifcly said 2 weeks after this is when this other chip came about. That's what I'm going by.

Also, their NFO doesn't say anybody stole anything. It says coincidence. Look the word up.

You're obviously biased towards mental for some reason. Sure, mental has done some good things, and were loosly (if you ignore tmbinc) first with several key elements. But that's it. They were first. They deserve props and credit for that. But they aren't gods, they aren't the only people in the universe that can code the cube or design a chip.

I know you claim you're not and you might not think you are, but you're acting like a fanboy in as much as you're definitely not willing to even try to be nutural or open minded about the matter.

And even for the sake of arugment, so what if it was borrowed. As Brakken mentioned, look at the Xbox & PS2 scene. Or maybe you think everyone should still be using Neo2 and Enigmah chips?

That's the pitfall of being first. You're not the best. Others come later, take the best that you have done and make it better. That's the way it works.

If they want people to buy their chips and use them, all they need to do is give people a reason to use them and not someone else. Instead of playing the blame game, they should focus on 2 things;
1) Improving the bios.
2) Developing the next generation of modchip.

As far as end users go, their job is to not play fanboy or develop any undo loyalty and focus on supporting whoever is putting out the best product at the time.

As a viper owner, I have no loyalty to mental. Or ripper or qoob or Ninja, or anyone else. All I care about is getting the functionality that I want. Who ever can do it gets my money. I'll just as quickly throw my viper in the junk drawer and replace it with something else should there be a reason. I don't care about the trip, only in getting to where I'm going.

[crono]

If there was mutch inprofment in the Qoob i would even buy it.

But getting a 4Mb chip(or 2 dont know anymore) and only still using a 128kb bios(whit 40kb real bios written),there's no reason for my to change from chip yet.

For now i am stil disapointed in the Qoob that it dasn't have greater future's then it have now,becuase i think it could have.

Usb on the qoob is great tough :-)

[gulliver]

@ artlover - drop it already man...seriously, there's no new info so there's nothing new to talk about. All I said is that a month doesn't mean exactly a month. If that was the case, no one would ever say a month, they would say "27 days" or "33" days, etc. Not everyone is as anal as you. People use dates and time and all other kinds of things loosely.

Also, there's no need to insult my intelligence by telling me to look in the dictionary. I know what a coincidence is, and I also know that companies don't run around saying "they stole our stuff." They would never use the word "stole" obviously.

Edit: Before you run around calling people fanboys, you should read their other posts first. I support all forms of gamecube modding...especially maxdrive, ar, etc. I think it's cool people can play their backups without any modding.

Edit again: @ crono, viper will have usb support soon as well. check the cobra 1.0 nfo.

[Johnneke]

Gulliver and how much do you think viper wants us to pay to get a usb programmer? :D I'm just curious when they will release a new cobra bios that also implements the audiofix and the +r media support, if they wont do this rather quickly they will loose customers on the qoob

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Johnneke
Gulliver and how much do you think viper wants us to pay to get a usb programmer? :D I'm just curious when they will release a new cobra bios that also implements the audiofix and the +r media support, if they wont do this rather quickly they will loose customers on the qoob

lol, obviously I nave no clue how much they want us to pay, but since most of what we pay for when we buy a viper is the actual chip, not the programmer, and the fact that they wanna stay in competition with qoob, I would think it wouldn't be too much.

As far as upgrading the bios, I agree. They better get their asses in gear. With the +R problem, it pisses me off quite a bit too cuz the only -R media I have is ritek G04 and my burner doesn't like those. They like memorex though so I'll have to get those soon.

[Artlover]

Originally posted by gulliver
@ artlover - drop it already man...
Sure, as soon as you stop trashing and spreading lies about a company when you don't know anything about it.

[theinfluence]

simmer down now.

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Artlover
Sure, as soon as you stop trashing and spreading lies about a company when you don't know anything about it.

Yeah, and insulting and flaming people because you don't agree with them is very mature:rolleyes:

[Artlover]

Originally posted by gulliver
Yeah, and insulting and flaming people because you don't agree with them is very mature:rolleyes:
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing.

You DON'T know anything about this and you ARE trashing and speading, at the very least, unproven accusations without any willingness or desire to be opened minded or neutral on the subject, based soaly on the implied claims of a biased source. You really want to talk about being mature? :rolleyes: right back at ya.

I don't know either. And it's for exactly that reason I wouldn't accuse anyone of anything.

Sake of argument, lets say it is shown that they are NOT the same code. What do you plan on doing? Is your simply removing your sig and retracting your statements going to make up for the presently on-going slander? You going to buy a qoob for every instance of someone else not buying one because of your comments? Is an "oops, sorry" sufficent to make up for damaged reputation and lost sales?

There is no evidence, and not even an actual claim (because they don't know either). That is the ONLY fact that exists. Certainly not enough to justify trashing another company and hurting the scene.

For that matter, if the interest is the scene then it doesn't matter if they did steal it verbatim. That promotes improvements and development. That's been "PROVEN" in the PS2 & Xbox scenes. Mental was the first to unlock the door. They deserve props for that. But the door is unlocked now, and they arn't doing any thing particularly special that other's couldn't (and they themselves haven't). Like audiofix. The reality is if mental never released another bios again it honestly wouldn't hurt anyone in the end. There are plenty of coders out there who are obviously capable of continuing where they leave off and improving what they started.

Again, mental deserve props and credit for what they have accomplished. Everyone, including all the competitors have them to thank. No arguments here. But they only deserve so much credit and only for what they have actually done. They were first, that's it. Their signifigance has peaked. They don't have a monopoly on the scene anymore. They arn't god's that deserve to have their butts kissed for all eternity or unfaultering trust. They are just coders who happened to be the first ones to figure it all out and get things started. Woo woo. Great job and thank you. Now let the new commers in to refine the work with fresh eyes, new ideas and better design.

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Artlover
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing.

You DON'T know anything about this and you ARE trashing and speading, at the very least, unproven accusations without any willingness or desire to be opened minded or neutral on the subject, based soaly on the implied claims of a biased source. You really want to talk about being mature? :rolleyes: right back at ya.


I know as much about this as I've already stated and it is not "nothing." I'm not trashing or spreading anything. Like I said before READ MY OTHER POSTS ON THIS FORUM. (In caps since you missed it last time). I am open-minded on the subject; read previous statement. And yes I do still want to talk about being mature. Regardless of what I say about any company, that's no reason to insult me personally. Do you work for the company, no. So there's no reason to insult my intelligence as I previously stated.

Sake of argument, lets say it is shown that they are NOT the same code. What do you plan on doing? Is your simply removing your sig and retracting your statements going to make up for the presently on-going slander? You going to buy a qoob for every instance of someone else not buying one because of your comments? Is an "oops, sorry" sufficent to make up for damaged reputation and lost sales?

I would simply remove my signature. But I'm not going to retract anything because I do think there's enough evidence for a case against them like I've said before. If I'm wrong, then fine. I've also said that I hope I'm wrong (not sure if it was in this thread). And no I won't apologize. I have the right to believe they may have stolen it, and as long as that's reasonably possible, I won't support their chip. If others are with me then fine, if not, that's fine too. btw...I'm not the only one who feels this way just so you know. And their reputation won't be damaged just because of me. Plus, I've never even said anything bad about their chip at all. From what I've heard it's just as good as Viper. So that's what I say, they're pretty much the same.

There is no evidence, and not even an actual claim (because they don't know either). That is the ONLY fact that exists. Certainly not enough to justify trashing another company and hurting the scene.

There is evidence, as previously stated, just not enough to convict. I haven't trashed them since the day Cobra came out, give or take a couple days (if you'll allow that). Since then I haven't said one bad thing about them (though if I wanted to I would). I'm not hurting the scene. People should be skeptical if they feel there's reason to be. I believe skepticism helps the scene.

For that matter, if the interest is the scene then it doesn't matter if they did steal it verbatim. That promotes improvements and development. That's been "PROVEN" in the PS2 & Xbox scenes. Mental was the first to unlock the door. They deserve props for that. But the door is unlocked now, and they arn't doing any thing particularly special that other's couldn't (and they themselves haven't). Like audiofix. The reality is if mental never released another bios again it honestly wouldn't hurt anyone in the end. There are plenty of coders out there who are obviously capable of continuing where they leave off and improving what they started.

I halfway agree with you. I think it's fine to "improve the scene" as you say by using others code only if you're not making a profit off of it (gcos). If you're making a profit from other people's work, then I'm totally against it. And don't gimme that "well, you copy games and you download mp3s, blah blah blah" because, if I were doing that, am I making a profit off of it as well? No, it would be for my personal use only, which I am not against. Cobra just did something special (first no swap bios) and you don't know what they're working on now. Just cuz something didn't come out today doesn't mean they're not doing anything special. Btw...even the admin of this site said himself that qoob coming out with noswap on their own after only working on the cube for a total of 3 months is not very believable. But anyway...

Overall, if stealing and making a profit off of something is considered progress, then I am against progress. People should be working on their own stuff...that is what "improves the scene" as you say. If qoob made the whole bios themselves then that's great and I support them, but if they didn't, then they're stealing for profit which I am 100% against.

btw...making a signature based on mine is a bit obsessive. Just a thought.

[cubenoob]

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originally posted by gulliver:

Overall, if stealing and making a profit off of something is considered progress, then I am against progress. People should be working on their own stuff...that is what "improves the scene" as you say. If qoob made the whole bios themselves then that's great and I support them, but if they didn't, then they're stealing for profit which I am 100% against.

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So that means that everyone working on a project has to invent the wheel again over and over again? I dont think that that would help anyone especially in the scene where inventing the wheel would cause months of work and noone wants that. Everyone wants updates of bioses within a few weeks at the latest and thats good cos noone wants to wait so long for updates. I just compare it with the relase groups of games where competition exists and the first group releasing a game wins. If thats ported to the gc scene that means the group that brings out a new bios with more functions wins. And we are the ones that profit from it. And if they steal code to make profit out of it its not a big thing because you all know what happened to the ninjamod or ripper chip:

They have been forgotten within a few days after release and noone cares about it anymore and I think they deserve it.

[gulliver]

Originally posted by cubenoob
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originally posted by gulliver:

Overall, if stealing and making a profit off of something is considered progress, then I am against progress. People should be working on their own stuff...that is what "improves the scene" as you say. If qoob made the whole bios themselves then that's great and I support them, but if they didn't, then they're stealing for profit which I am 100% against.

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So that means that everyone working on a project has to invent the wheel again over and over again? I dont think that that would help anyone especially in the scene where inventing the wheel would cause months of work and noone wants that. Everyone wants updates of bioses within a few weeks at the latest and thats good cos noone wants to wait so long for updates. I just compare it with the relase groups of games where competition exists and the first group releasing a game wins. If thats ported to the gc scene that means the group that brings out a new bios with more functions wins. And we are the ones that profit from it. And if they steal code to make profit out of it its not a big thing because you all know what happened to the ninjamod or ripper chip:

They have been forgotten within a few days after release and noone cares about it anymore and I think they deserve it.

You misunderstand me. I'm not saying everyone should have to start from scratch. Of course they need to learn the basic structure of the technology. What I'm talking about is what I would call a "copy and paste" rip from a bios and adding a couple things. That's stealing. Taking an idea, building on it, and making it your own is a whole different thing.

Edit: Since you brought up the ripper and ninja, it made me think of something. Isn't it hilarious how basically everyone nodded in acceptance of the fact that ninja and ripper basically stole cobra and changed the name without absolute proof of it. I can't think of one instance where someone disagreed. But when it comes to the qoob, everyone gets so defensive just because it's no swap and it's actually a good chip.

So when it's a crap chip, it's stealing, but if it's good, then people should just shut the hell up. That's quite a double standard.

[Vollstrecker]

i like the xbox scene. Nearly every newer modchip is solderd to the LPC port and do the same thing. Loading a piece of software into the xbox called bios. And nearly every bios fits on the chips.

the differents between this chips are the features, some have a 4MB flash and an own OS other not.

So GC Chips do the same, they load a bios, but the different are the features like 2MB flash and onboard mp3 player *lol*

[gulliver]

Originally posted by Vollstrecker
i like the xbox scene. Nearly every newer modchip is solderd to the LPC port and do the same thing. Loading a piece of software into the xbox called bios. And nearly every bios fits on the chips.

the differents between this chips are the features, some have a 4MB flash and an own OS other not.

So GC Chips do the same, they load a bios, but the different are the features like 2MB flash and onboard mp3 player *lol*

You better watch what you say. If you say anything remotely close to "viper is better than qoob" or "viper is just as good as qoob" you'll be publicly stoned on your way to the stake where they'll set you on fire (like they did with the witches) Luckily you didn't use any brand names;)

Btw...the qoob can have 8,000 memory banks for all I care. No one will ever use them.

[crumpster]

I am new to the gamecube scene, but have been reading posts in this forum ever since qoob was announced, what I don't understand is all this bickering back and forth from people. I am a veteran in the xbox scene and i never saw such bitching back and forth. I don't care if qoob/viper/ripper/ninja all stole code from each other. The only thing I care about is running "unsigned" code. Everyone here is a thief in one way/shape or form. So please stop the fighting.

Oops, I meant to say hi to brakken, your faq is what got me into the gamecube scene. I never really cared about the cube until I read your faq. Props to you for your time. Btw, do you think a solder guide would help it? Let me know and I'd be glad to write something up with some pics to help the newbs to soldering like I once was!!

[cubenoob]

Hi crumpster nice you want to be active in writing a solder faq as it is one of the things that still need some more clearance. And the tuts on the manufacturer´s homepages are not always that good for beginners. Maybe a complete qoob soldering faq should do it as it is the most wanted chip atm.

[crumpster]

Yeah, I am trying to get a qoob modchip but it doesn't seem like I will be able to get one for a while. I've tried contacting foundmy.com (even tho they look shaddy) and qoob directly. No replies from anyone. I'm in the USA so i'd like somewhere in USA that has it. Let me know if you find a place. I will def be writing a review with pics when I get mine.

[Xboxmodder999]

Crumpster,

I contacted foundmy about the Qoob chip, they said that it would be shipping sometime this week. Oh, and I looked on resellerratings.com, and they don't have a lot of reviews, but the ones that are there, the people say they got everything they ordered.