GameCube is for the kids!

[brakken]

I was involved in an argument in #GCOS earlier today about how the Game Cube and Nintendo itself is geared toward children instead of adults. Facts I brought up in this argument were that 95% of the games are not rated anything close to “M”, that most of the games are about cartoon characters and most of them could be beaten by any average 9 year old kid.

Other facts I brought up were Nintendo’s own marketing strategy and business plan, the overall sales figures of the Cube, the average age of the Cube’s player. It’s really pretty simple, most of the gamers who use the Cube are under the age of 18. Well, there are those few exceptions of adults who haven’t really grown up yet; you know who you are and what I’m talking about. These adults still play childish games and watch cartoons (yes that includes anime) daily. Sure there is nothing wrong with this I guess, but there are far less of these men then there are average adults. And lets face it, generally women with money and sex appeal don’t want a guy who never leaves the house and has the maturity of a lab rat.

Personally I grew up with Nintendo and feel that the time I spent playing their great games was worth it, but unfortunately my mind has matured to the point where a simple game like Mario Sunshine can no longer entertain me (but works wonders on the average 12 year old.) I’m not trying to DISS Nintendo in any way, shape or form, I just wish they (or 3rd parties) would release more adult orientated games.

There is a giant market out there which is dominated by Sony and Microsoft mainly because the majority of their games are targeted for an adult audience. Yes, there is also a market for kids games, but who has more money; kids or adults?

Nintendo is far from a crappy brand of product, as many children enjoy their games. I also get much satisfaction of sharing games with kids (as I wish someone would of done that for me at my age) and modding the Cube, and of course writing my FAQ about it. The truth is thou, I rarely boot up the Cube to play a game and I wish this was different.

So what can be done about this? Well major gaming sites and the mass media has already taken it upon themselves to let Nintendo know there is a need for more mature games, but emailing them wouldn’t hurt.

Maybe when the Revolution comes out they will change their business standards and we can all once again enjoy what Nintendo is all about.

And no, I didn’t come up with this crap by myself. It is clearly full of facts that I have collected over the years from personal experience and others opinions.

Resources for writing this article can be found below ->

Nintendo (Business, Marketing and Sales Strategy)
GameSpot / IGN (Game Ratings and Reviews)
Forbes and Wall Street Journal (Sales records, Forecasts, Company Position)
Google (Rants, Raves, Overall General Population Opinions)

All of these clearly show that the majority of adult gamers steer clear of the Cube and Nintendo all together. Of course there is a small amount of adult gamers who still play the Cube, and well hell; good for them! Just because you don’t agree with my post doesn’t mean you should start flaming the hell out of me, banning me or deleting my posts. The facts are clear and simple. I gave research links so you can go verify my claims before going off at the mouth.

Oh, and the new Zelda has been made to target adults as well as children. I can’t wait to get my hands on it!

Last but not least, Toms Hardware which happens to be most visited hardware news site on the internet has written a little article along the lines of what I just wrote.

Why Is Nintendo Ignoring American Men
http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20050210/index.html

[justinkb]

Originally posted by brakken
Why Is Nintendo Ignoring American Men
but more importantly: Why is brakken posting this in the Modchip Development Discussion forum?

[ploppyplop]

Originally posted by justinkb
but more importantly: Why is brakken posting this in the Modchip Development Discussion forum?

fair point at least its not about a DRE

[brakken]

Eh, I was so used to posting in this section that I forgot all about the other ones... My bad : (

Hopefully a moderator will MOVE it this time, instead of deleting it because they personally do not agree with what I posted, even tho there are clear facts involved.

[justinkb]

was this post deleted? how weird -_- why would they censor such a thing?

i'm 20 myself, i'm not quite grown up, yet consider myself to be pretty responsible. but i like games, and i like nintendo's so-called "kid" games - but i like resident evil games too, so i don't know.

[hrtlnd]

Ill admit, Nintendo's Target Audience is low, but that doesnt mean that they aren't appealing to all audiences, Look at the new Zelda they have in the making? It appeals to many adults, not just kids.. Mario Power Tennis, for adults and kids.. I'll admit there are games which are bound only to children, like shrek party thingy or whatever, scoobie-doo and winnie the pooh, but at least one of the consoles appeals to a younger audience. Thats more than sony or playstation do. And the **** that a 12 year old or younger cant buy games, i beg to differ when spoilt brats always get what they want. Sinse their parents brought them the cube in the first place! Classic games like Smash Bros Melee, Metroid Prime 1 & 2, Mario Party, Mario Kart DD, appeal to all audiences. Adults play them, kids play them. I think what Nintendo has done is great. At least the kids aren't left out! The only flaw with the Gamecube is a lot of multi-format games wont fit on 1 disc if not 2 discs unlike PS2 and XBOX, which is the major cause of why some titles don't appear on the Gamecube at all. Don't get me wrong, i love my PS2, but you always hear speculation of certain games coming out on the cube aswell as xbox and PS2, but then only appear on xbox and PS2. I think the 1.4gb media was a very stupid move for Nintendo, I think if they had 4.7gb discs like xbox and PS2, we'd have seen more adult appealing games for the cube, but Nintendo try keep their games at a 15 rating and under for their target audience, Resident Evil being the example.
Hey, I dont care if some games dont come out for the cube, because I can buy them on PS2. Its all good

[brakken]

Originally posted by hrtlnd
Ill admit, Nintendo's Target Audience is low, but that doesnt mean that they aren't appealing to all audiences, Look at the new Zelda they have in the making? It appeals to many adults, not just kids.. Mario Power Tennis, for adults and kids.. I'll admit there are games which are bound only to children, like shrek party thingy or whatever, scoobie-doo and winnie the pooh, but at least one of the consoles appeals to a younger audience.

I already stated that the new zelda is for adults , but that doesn't really change that 95% of the other games aren't.

Power Tennis is a joke, why not play a real sports game? If I were to ask a group of my peers "wanto play mario tennis" or "madden" they would pick madden. If I asked them "do you wanto play you don't know jack" or "mario party 6,212" they would pick ydkj.

It's like asking my friends to play shoots and ladders instead of trivial pursuite, or asking a girl to play spin the bottle over playing with some nice black leather.

Facts are facts, the *majority* of users are kids that play the Cube.

Media probably does make a different , but not a big difference. If the potentional was there for making money they would do whatever they had to do to make that money.

I pitty teh f00 ...

brakken

[hrtlnd]

How many tennis games are on the cube? Besides, its all just a bit of fun at the end of the day. Im glad i didnt pay for the game, because I wouldnt have brought it else wise.. It gets boring after 5 minutes, theres nothing new!

[starteck2002]

I'm not sure how I should take this :-(

I'm a Brit, 36 years old and a Dad of three. In my 'play room' I have the following:

Consoles:

GameCube (Vipered Up Baby!)
Dreamcast (JAP, water cooled cpu!!)
Xbox (Chipped, modded etc etc)
Saturn (Chipped)
PS2 (Chipped / HDD)
PSX (Chipped)
Snes (with Wildcard)
N64 (with Dr V64)
Megadrive
Master SYstem
Nes
Amiga CD32 (no need for chipping)

Hand Held

GB Colour (with Flashlinker)
NeoGeo Colour (With linker)
GBA

Computers

2 x Windows PC's
1 x Linux PC
1 IBM Thinkpad Laptop
1 Dell Laptop

Everything is on a wireless network with 1.5mb cable internet. In the corner with have a large TV with DVD recorder / player. In the cupboards we have a selection of retro computers such as acorn, commodore, SAM, etc etc etc....

On the shelves we have loads of Disney DVD's, Plushies (intel, disney etc). On the walls we have framed disney posters...

Now I need to know.... Does this all make me a big kid? :-)

[brakken]

*drools*

It all depends on the type of games you play I guess, and like I said there is nothing wrong with it either. If the majority of adults still played kid orientated games that is all you would see on the market.

Can you add me to your will?

:P

[justinkb]

starteck, dude, sweet.

[starteck2002]

Games tend to vary from console to console.

I *NEVER* play games on the PC (but i did used to).

All time favourites are things like Bust-A-Move (left, right and one button - can't go wrong really). Silent Hill is another of my favourites but I had to stop playing it after a scare...

I was playing the game at around 4am in my front room, in the dark. The surround sound was on and I was VERY deeply engrossed in the game. At a scary point in the game our cat decided to jump from the back of the sofa onto my lap. I Sh!T myself and never went back to the game for quite some time.

N64 favourite has to be Mario Kart or Yoshi's Adventure, GC fave is Mario Kart DD

On the Xbox I like most games, especially 'dance mat' games when I've been on the pop ;-) It's amazing how well I think I can dance then. And then when I have the highscore my Daughter comes along and wipes off a weeks work in 5 minutes :-(

[shangrula]

i'd say a large majority of the GC games I have are suitable for children and adults alike.

There are games like RE that are not for kids but apart from that I think it works well for players of all ages.

Nintendo just know what they are doing, they get it right every time. It's just awesome :D

[tempest]

Well, I am kinda the curve breaker!
Me - REALLY OLD;)
my son - 4 (been playing since he was 3!)

The beauty of GameCube is it has the broadest appeal. It has games suitable for the very young and the operation is IMHO much easier for youngsters.
It also has games that appeal to us old folks.:cool:

You need to add a vote button that says "3 and up"! I do not think any other console can say that!:D

[starteck2002]

Couldn't agree more. Xbox is terrible for kids. the controllers are way too big and bulky. PS2 (and PSX) have too many crap games for the system, GC has it all just about right for kids (and us adults alike!).

[Samus]

A game doesn't necessarily need an M rating to be fun. One thing I love about the Cube are its multiplayer games. I know plenty of adults who love playing Mario Kart and I've spent many drunken nights with friends playing Wario Ware. :D

[tifao]

I'm 28 yo :D

PS2 is for kids :o

[ness]

Personally I grew up with Nintendo
(I own/owned all the consoles except for the virtual boy Nintendo brought up). And hey, is there anybody who says Mario is JUST for kids - if I had the choice between a M$ game and a Mr. Miyamoto (you should all know ;)) game it'll be an easy dicission for me :P. At least I can't barely wait until summer when the new installement of LoZ will be released - hopefully.

...You can make good games even without blood everywhere, that's what big N prooved us many times - and if there are any other who say Nintendo just produces childish crap - come over here and I'll kick your balls *G :D

[0 morgan 0]

Your poll i stupid it shud be 12-17 then 18-25

not 12-18 18-25 that means some 18 yr olds will click 12-18 and some will click 18-25 which means either your going to get alot more 12-18 yr olds which means you could have alot of 18yr olds looking like 12yr olds or your gonna get more 18+ please revise your poll.

[starteck2002]

yeah...and there needs to be another item there too...

'old buggers that like to think they are still young' :-)

[TestType]

Sigh, I was really hoping this would be the one GameCube forum were I wouldn't have to read stupid topic like this.

This argument is as old as time itself and I've seen it argued so many times I won't bother trying to join in.

Can we please try to keep this forum free of all the "OH NOES, NINTENDO IS TEH DOOMED/KIDDY!!" topics?

[gulliver]

Thank you testtype, I agree 100% This argument is so old and worn out.

Brakken, I love your faq, but unfortunately your view of what an adult game should be is crap. To me, videogames are about fun and gameplay, not about how much blood and sex are crammed into them.

You're gonna get the new zelda because it's more "adult-looking." I can't even begin to explain how stupid that is. So basically what you're saying is that wind waker isn't a good game because it has cel-shading?

Most of the so-called "adult" games are first-person shooters, which are what most games on ps2 and xbox consist of (and no I'm not a fanboy, I have ps2 as well). These games are so tired and repitive it's not even funny. But since most of them have T and M ratings then they are proper for adults to play. It's such a joke.

I think people that constantly need blood, violence, etc. to play a game are the ones that need to grow up.

I play what's fun. Not what is supposed to be fun for adults.

And no, you're argument isn't based all on facts. Saying that people who like nintendo are adults who refuse to grow up and watch anime and cartoons constantly is not fact; in fact, it's horseshit. I'm a sociology and english lit. major, I get straight A's and I'm 23 and I don't like anime. I like cartoons but only watch simpsons regularly, which, by the way, has more social commentary than any show ever created. Sorry, but I don't buy into your stereotype.

Also, there are a lot of gamecube games that are M and T rated. More than what anyone ever says. Check it out if you don't believe me.

[starteck2002]

What a croc of shite! If you don't want to read this thread (or heaven forbid, take part in it) then why not just **** off to another forum (or the rock you crawled out from under).

Is it any wonder that the GC scene is the way it is with idiots like you that jump on anybody who tries to bring any kind of discussion to the board.

At least this thread is pretty refreshing from the usual 'DRE this, DRE that' threads that are dominating the forums right now.

I'm a sociology and english lit. major, I get straight A's and I'm 23

Your point is? So what! Is this of interest to the GC community? NOPE!

[gulliver]

refreshing? you're the one who has his head up his ass. do you have any idea how old this argument is?

and my age and grades are important because he's saying that adults that like the cube are refusing to grow up and watch cartoons all day. read the previous posts before you respond moron.

btw...I am only expressing my opinion. if you're not used to hearing opinions you don't agree with then you shouldn't be talking on any forums.

[brakken]

Celshaded games are made by cheap dev teams who can't make some real textures, but that isn't why I don't consider "Wind Walker" and adult game.

I consider it a kids game because that is what it is.

And of course I'm not supprised with all the ADULTS posting in support for the Cube, as most <18 year olds kids who do play the Cube either aren't smart enough to mod a cube or have no idea in hell what a mod is (remember the majority of the population buys their games), but that doesn't change the facts that I've presented (which are that more children play the Cube then adults do.)

And yes, it is an OLD argument, but a good one at that.

[bugmenot]

hey i like cell shadet games (nut not tww) i think XIII was a realy nice refreshign game, and you cant say tat about textures good cell shadet games have also different textures, its just another style.
oh, and cube is for sure not only for childs, also yes, but not only.
the ones who think that games that arent full of gore are for childs are the real childs.

[brakken]

Originally posted by bugmenot
hey i like cell shadet games (nut not tww) i think XIII was a realy nice refreshign game, and you cant say tat about textures good cell shadet games have also different textures, its just another style.
oh, and cube is for sure not only for childs, also yes, but not only.
the ones who think that games that arent full of gore are for childs are the real childs.

Textures? You mean single colored polygons with hardware shading? ROFL! Though cellshading doesn't mean the game sucks, it just doesn't help at all.

Well it's fact that most adults want blood, gore, sex, etc, look at all the movies out there. I for one could care less about blood and gore, but sex never hurt a thing!

Like I said if the majority of adults were playing kid games then that is all you would see in the market.

[PC_Arcade]

I think that this argument is indicative of the games industry's need to grow up.

Ask a kid (certainly me when I was a kid) what he thinks a film for adults is and you'll get answers like Alien, Predator, Dawn of the dead etc, Violent and Gory films basically.

Ask me NOW what films are aimed @ adults and I'd say films like Manhattan, The shawshank redemption etc fairly non violent and contemplative.

The games industry is stuck in a rut of producing what would be exploitation flicks if they were films. If anyone tries something different then they're branded as "kiddie". The games industries seeming need to continually shock in order to sell games (manhunt, GTA etc) is exceptionally childish. Graphics are approaching the stage where there is artisitic freedom yet companies are scared to take risks because they will be rewarded with no sales.

Well it's fact that most adults want blood, gore, sex, etc, look at all the movies out there.

I'd be inclined to argue that those films (ratings aside) are aimed at kids / teenagers, as opposed to more plot driven non violent films, which may not have adult certification, but would be completely disinteresting to most kids.

[gulliver]

bugmenot and Pc_Arcade, I couldn't have said it better myself.

And so what if cel-shading is easier to make? it's a style and quite sharp-looking if you asked me and many distinguished reviewers (egm, gamespot, etc.)

saying that wind waker is a kids game because of it's graphics is childish in itself. the gameplay, challenge and depth are equivalent to or greater than that of the other zelda games. anyone who says otherwise is either blind or doesn't truly understand what makes zelda games so fun. critics were skeptical of it before it came out as well, but once they got their hands on it they were blown away. many even ended up thinking wind waker has some of the best graphics ever produced.

Gameplay is where it begins and ends.

[starteck2002]

Originally posted by gulliver
refreshing? you're the one who has his head up his ass. do you have any idea how old this argument is?

and my age and grades are important because he's saying that adults that like the cube are refusing to grow up and watch cartoons all day. read the previous posts before you respond moron.

btw...I am only expressing my opinion. if you're not used to hearing opinions you don't agree with then you shouldn't be talking on any forums.

Does it matter how old this argument is? The fact is that there is a discussion going on here that you have just stamped all over without even giving a thought for those that *may* be interested or want to take part. You are free to express your opinion - this is not what you have done here.

Sorry, but I don't buy into your stereotype.

It's quite simple really...just move on. You didn't need to make your opinion known. The way that you have spurted your crap makes me think that you are indeed a 23 year old child that just won't (or can't) grow up. So far I am of the opinion that most of the GC scene is kids that want to argue and fight all the time.

I've been in the 'scenes' for many years - even as far back as Commodore 64 and Spectrum machines. I was a member of a well known crew back in those days - then i moved on to the Atari ST / Amiga scene with a well known crew. We all got on really well, we attended 'meets' - there was hardly any animosity.

These days I'm not in a crew but I still hang around Xbox, PS2 and Dreamcast forums. Those forums are great. People are really helpful, information is there for me and discussion is a free-for-all.

Unfortunatly the GC scene is very different to any other. It doesn't need to be this way at all. I've seen admin's on this forum publicly have to warn people of their behavior. I've seen physical threats made on the forums (like thats scarey eh?). The GC scene is definately not a very nice place to be and i can only put it down to a lower age bracket that own GC's compared to other consoles.

I'll await yet more flaming as it's now the norm for people to do that here. Hell, I even got flamed for trying to help someone out on here once :-(

[SONIC]

Well, I'm 29 getting 30 this year. I grew up with such brands as nintendo, commodore and those. Sure, I have been all the way, started with a Commodore 16, had a ZX Spectrum, a C-64, been incredible active in the Commodore Amiga demo- and swap-scene for many years, had a Nes, a Snes, a Gameboy, Gameboy Colour, Playstation and so forth, and today I have my Gamecube, my Amiga 500, my Xbox, my Gameboy Advance SP, and my Nintendo DS. I must admit that the Xbox games seems more "adultish", but I sure do enjoy gaming on my Gamecube more than on my Xbox! I think the gameplay of most Gamecube titles are just a bit more cared about than the gameplay for many xbox games! And don't say cell-shading stinks, 'coz it doesn't! You think they cell-shade because they can't create textures? Guess you're wrong, most of the dev's behind those cell-shaded games have made other great games too... cell-shading is just a different approach to 3D graphics. Some people also call it cartoon-shading, and I'm more than sure that the devs of cell-shaded games choose cell-shading for some reason! And no, I do not consider Zelda WindWaker a kids game either. Sure, it might be kid-friendly 'coz they don't display guts and blood all the time, but for me it is a really well-designed adventure game with bright and wonderful graphics! Zelda Windwaker was btw. the reason why I bought a cube!
I don't understand why people think they're so adult, just because they play xbox games! In my eyes there isn't much to brag about if you play xbox only! It sure has a few good titles, I just think Nintendo is a bit more innovative, and a bit more different than what the PS2 - Xbox has to offer! Gamecube is about crisp graphics, amazing colours, great gameplay, and most of all fun!
It's the same bullshit that's going on with the PSP vs. the DS nowadays. PSP lovers say that the DS is a toy, and the PSP is a raw machine! Well well, the PSP might have better graphics, and the PSP might look like some designer pda thing, but in the end the PSP is also a toy, and it's still there to play games on, so in the end, if you like playing games on the PSP your no better than a guy who likes to play on a DS, it's all about games, it's all about enjoying it, and it's all about enjoying what you do! Wether you choose this or that! It's just sad that those PS2-PSP-Xbox kiddies think that their console makes them more adult then people who enjoys Nintendo products! What's even more sad is that they kinda feel good about picking on people enjoying Nintendos products! I mean, why the **** would they care anyways?! Aslong as they are happy about their designer-plastics, let us enjoy real gameplay that was made with love. But why care, I'm happy with what I got, I love the cube, and nobody has to tell me otherwise! Or more likely, they can't :)

My 2 cents worth :)

[Samus]

To anyone who thinks cel-shaded graphics and/or the Gamecube is only for kids:

Check out Killer 7...'M' rating for sure!

http://cube.ign.com/objects/495/495539.html

[gulliver]

Does it matter how old this argument is? The fact is that there is a discussion going on here that you have just stamped all over without even giving a thought for those that *may* be interested or want to take part. You are free to express your opinion - this is not what you have done here.

Yes, actually it does matter how old this argument is. This discussion has been buried into the ground. There is nothing new to report on it. And I'm sorry that my comments do not meet your definition of "taking part" in the discussion, but this really isn't important to me or anyone else. I saw a thread and voiced my opinion on the subject -- that is taking part -- and that is what I've done here.

It's quite simple really...just move on. You didn't need to make your opinion known. The way that you have spurted your crap makes me think that you are indeed a 23 year old child that just won't (or can't) grow up. So far I am of the opinion that most of the GC scene is kids that want to argue and fight all the time.

Move on? Move on from what? You're the one that needs to get over it. I'm fine with it. Do you see Brakken getting all upset and psychotic? No. This is because he knows that I am not flaming him and I respect him. I just happen to not agree with him on this manner. And when he says that Nintendo fans are adults that can't grow up, then I will respond by stating my view that this is not true. I'm not fighting with him; I stated that I think his opinion is crap and I supported it. If I was flaming I would be spitting out curse words and yelling like you have. So I'm sorry you're all upset; but don't blame me, blame yourself. I'm not bothered at all.

I've been in the 'scenes' for many years - even as far back as Commodore 64 and Spectrum machines. I was a member of a well known crew back in those days - then i moved on to the Atari ST / Amiga scene with a well known crew. We all got on really well, we attended 'meets' - there was hardly any animosity.

That's great. I'm glad you got along well. Contrary to what you believe, I do not have any animosity toward Brakken or you. There is a difference between flaming and criticism. If Brakken thought I crossed that line he would have said something.

Unfortunatly the GC scene is very different to any other. It doesn't need to be this way at all. I've seen admin's on this forum publicly have to warn people of their behavior. I've seen physical threats made on the forums (like thats scarey eh?). The GC scene is definately not a very nice place to be and i can only put it down to a lower age bracket that own GC's compared to other consoles.

That is sad if there have been threats and whatnot; I personally haven't seen it but I'll take your word for it. I've seen stupid arguments myself and tried to rectify them. Check the thread on the release of Cobra 1.0. I think there's so much animosity toward each other in some the Gamecube threads because so many are having a lot of problems with the Viper. This doesn't excuse their behavior, but I think it might contribute to it.

Anyway, I'm sorry you don't find the GC scene to be a nice community. It's just starting out and like any great revolution, there's going to be a lot of casualties at the beginning till chaos fades away :D However, if you can't handle the problems and whatnot and they make you that upset maybe you should not hang around the GC scene till it cools down. I'm not trying to be an ass at all; I just don't think it's worth getting that upset about. But I hope you can stick around and deal with it for now, because I'm sure it'll cool down over time. Hopefully when Cobra 1.0 comes out:)

[starteck2002]

there's no point in you and I continuing this thread...we'll just have to agree to disagree ;-)

Oh well, back to the little discussed DRE's

[bugmenot]

Originally posted by Samus
To anyone who thinks cel-shaded graphics and/or the Gamecube is only for kids:

Check out Killer 7...'M' rating for sure!

http://cube.ign.com/objects/495/495539.html

for me thats a good example for a game that IS aimed at kids

[SigmaX6]

woot i voted lol

[gulliver]

starteck, sounds good to me:) I'm sure we'll have much more to talk about when the new cobra comes out:)

I have an idea...since a lot of people are listing systems they own/have owned, let's everyone say what we have and have had.

Used to own:

1. Nes
2. Genesis
3. Snes
4. Gameboy (black and white)
5. Gameboy color
6. Sega CD
7. Saturn
8. N64
9. Playstation
10. Dreamcast

Still Own:

1. Atari 7800 (my first system:))
2. Atari Lynx
3. Gamecube
4. PS2
5. Gameboy Advance

[McBone]

Originally posted by brakken

Resources for writing this article can be found below ->

Nintendo (Business, Marketing and Sales Strategy)
GameSpot / IGN (Game Ratings and Reviews)
Forbes and Wall Street Journal (Sales records, Forecasts, Company Position)
Google (Rants, Raves, Overall General Population Opinions)


Well Satoru Iwata himself said that Nintendo is targeting their software at both children and adults.
I've also read on several sites, that the average age is 23.
So that means there are alot people older than 23 who have a gamecube as well.
I'm 23 and I don't watch anime...
And from what I'm reading here, it confirms my feelings that alot of Gamecube owners are older than you think.

And I really don't get why the Nintendo consoles need to have more 'mature' games.
It would make them just like Sony and Microsoft.
And I happen to like the Nintendo games a whole lot more.
Not because there's no blood and gore in them, but because they seem to be much more innovative then most games on the other consoles.
If you don't like it, just don't play it...

Also, kids might not have money themselves, but they can easily persuade an adult to buy something for them (including consoles and games).

[EVASiON]

I think your poll has proven these "facts" to be wrong.
Anyway, try to read next time where you post, this is the second time you posted this in Mod Chip Dev.

*MOVING*

[brakken]

My poll hasn't proven anything wrong. Just because of bunch of modchip scene people vote on what age they are doesn't change any of the facts at hand. We're a minority in the big scope of things.

[killazincorp]

Im 20 and I think I have alot of growing up to do lol. I play video games all the time. I own every system and have to admit that the gamecube has the least adult driven games. Most of their game are geared toward the kids and are sometime too easy for someone my age. Resident Evil 4 however is the reason I actually got a used gamecube from EB Games. The Zelda series as of now seems to be very kiddy with the cellshaded graphics but the future is looking brighter for the newest addition that comes out this year. I personally prefer my xbox of the gamecube but would prolly choose the gamecube over the PS2 only because of the controller setup and series titles. I cant remember the last time I actually played my PS2 let alone buy a new game for it, I think it was prolly around the release of GTA: VC. Well i guess thats all I have to say. Hope to hear more opinions from other members

[Samus]

Originally posted by bugmenot
for me thats a good example for a game that IS aimed at kids

Did you even read about the game? :rolleyes:

Care to explain why you believe that a game that has elements of terrorism, strong language, and nudity would be aimed at children? I'm just curious.

[TestType]

Not forgetting the gory head-splitting and blood spraying ultra-violance.

This guy has some very warped ideas about what is suitable for kids. I sure hope bugmenot doesn't have any children.

[PC_Arcade]

Originally posted by TestType
Not forgetting the gory head-splitting and blood spraying ultra-violance.

This guy has some very warped ideas about what is suitable for kids. I sure hope bugmenot doesn't have any children.

There is a difference in saying that a game is SUITABLE for children and is being aimed at them.

As an example GTA:San Andreas is a game I would consider unsuitable for children and yet Rockstar have been warned TWICE for deliberately targetting the mid-teen demographic as they know that their risque content will be seen as more "cool" by kids than adults.

I'm not sure Killer 7 would come in for the same critisism though.

[gulliver]

killazincorp, and anyone else who says nintendo is kiddie, I want a definition of what you think is an "adult" game and what elements a game must have in order for it to be kiddy. Before I accuse anyone of being shallow, (i.e. - killazincorp saying that wind waker is a kid's game because of cell-shaded graphics) I want to know if anyone has a real definition. Something more concrete than graphics. And I would really avoid talking about difficulty because I find a lot of nintendo games to be way more difficult than the watered-down first-person shooters and GTA wannabes on PS2 and Xbox. Personally, I think a game for adults should have depth and excellent gameplay, which is very lacking in a lot of the bloodfests on PS2 and Xbox.

BTW...here's what Gamespot currently has to say about the new Zelda game. Make sure you read the last line:



But Nintendo's brightest highlight, and really, the biggest thing to come out of the Game Developers Conference, was the new trailer for The Legend of Zelda. What can I say about this? It's a really incredible trailer. It does exactly what a trailer is supposed to--reveal enough about the game to start widespread speculation about the significance of what's shown, but without actually giving anything away. The game itself looks simply breathtaking, though I must concede that I still miss the Wind Waker's inimitable visual style. -- Ryan Davis (Associate Producer)

But I thought Gamespot agree that Gamecube is essentially a "kid's
system?"

Artistically, The Wind Waker is nearly unmatched, on the GameCube or on any other platform. --Gamespot review

It is, perhaps, the most beautiful cel-shaded videogame to date, period. -- IGN review

The sad truth is that the mainstream audience may, with no understanding of the technology required to realize the style, shrug Wind Waker's visuals off as primitive. However, players with keen eyes and an appreciation for the art of making games will know that Nintendo has not only created a hugely stylistic world down to every last detail, but also pushed the power of GameCube to do so. -- IGN review

Wind Waker is a masterful achievement -- a shining example, in fact, of how videogames should be made and a case study for developers wondering what makes a compelling game. -- IGN review

Eh, what do they know. These cell-shaded graphics suck; they're for kids. Who needs innovation and great gameplay when you can play games loaded with blood, violence and sex with no point to them simply to get off on the violence. Plus it'll make me an adult:rolleyes:

[Samus]

Originally posted by gulliver
Eh, what do they know. These cell-shaded graphics suck; they're for kids. Who needs innovation and great gameplay when you can play games loaded with blood, violence and sex with no point to them simply to get off on the violence. Plus it'll make me an adult:rolleyes:

Tunnel vision is a terrible thing, isn't it? ;)

All of this talk about Wind Waker makes me want to play it again....I think I will!

[SONIC]

Gulliver, very well spoken, plus some really good quotes!
Seems like mainstream do not know of anything that goes on behind the curtains! It's a shame!
And yes, WindWaker is still one of my favorite games ever! I love it :)

[starteck2002]

I've never played it - but am going to try it out later :-)

If i get into trouble with the missus for getting addicted to yet another game, you lot are in big trouble so watch out! :-)

[Duey2k]

well the gaming world was really takking some heat a while ago, felt like most of it was forn teh US and the freking PTA (speaking of tunnl vision)

but i cant quite call the gamecube a kid system, even though pretty much all of the games are rated for kids.

there are still many great titles for the gamecube only that fell more like games designed for everyone. like metroid but also the gamecube has a lot of party games and alot of multiplayer.

as im getting used to the gamecube im also notcing that there hit or miss ratio feels much better. Alot more decent and well made games than crappy ones vs otehr systems with there endless crap. Granted most ports to the cube are crappier (NFS, spiderman 2....) but maby thats just me being used to other systems.

basically call it a kids system, call it a girls system call it what ever you want, its still fun to play.

[gulliver]

lol, starteck, I think you are gonna be getting in trouble because it's a long and very addictive game. I can't wait till there summer when I get a break from constant studying so I can finish wind waker. I can only play zelda games in the summer because I need to devote a lot of time to them because I always have to find every little thing:)

Duey, I definitely agree. The gamecube doesn't have as many games, but their crap to good game ratio is way higher than xbox and especially ps2. ps2 is like 70% crap games: 30% good games. and gamecube is pretty much the opposite. And I love multiplayer as well because they never get old.

As far as ported games go, it's probably cuz you're used to the other systems. The games released on all three systems usually do much better on the cube than the other two: as far as reviews go.

I just wanted to add this cuz I just thought of it. I've always hated first-person shooters, so much so that I never gave metroid prime a chance. I played it the first time the other day and even though the first-person perspective still annoys me in it sometimes, it really is an amazing game. I love being able to morph into the ball. And the atmosphere of the game is amazing. I've never felt so emerged in a game in my life:D

[Duey2k]

well said, on the ported game its not always that im used to the other systems. When you play a game like metroid you have such beautiful grafix, its almost stunning then i switch over for NFS underground 2 and i just feel like slapping someone ( I know im picking on that game alot but it let me down, too see such poor grafics...that was almost the only good thing going for the more recent NFS series)

yes i know..less space per disc.....had to fir it all.....lots of optnions...blah....blah...blah...excuses dont change the fact that if you relase a subpar game we get to slam it.

To be honest after thinking more about it can can all the NES (when im comparrisong to some like turbografix) a "kids system" just as much as the gamecube, but the NES is legenday. I know mine sure isnt for the kids, with there grubby hands :D