Datel 4GB Hard Drive + PSX 3.02 OE-B = Not compatible?

[The_Nothing]

I upgraded to 3.02 OE-B from a virgin 1.50 for the sole purpose of playing PSX games on the psp.

But has anyone got any of the PSX games working on Datel 4GB Hard Drives?

I have tried everything and I keep getting game could not be started errors (80020321)

Everything else works for me as far as PSP ISO's and 1.5 Homebrew such as NES,SNES.

It is only the PSX games that I cant load, I have tried the official Syphon Filter game from the PS3 store. I made my own ISO of Castlevania and did everything correctly, but none cannot be loaded for some reason using my Datel 4GB Hard Drive.

Can anyone help with this? Is this something that can be patched for Datel HD users?

Please help. I have no funds to run out and buy a Sandisk Pro Duo for PSX games. All I have is this Datel HD, and I am sure a few others aswell.

[The_Nothing]

Am I the only person on here using a Datel HD?

There was some kind of patch for devhook for users of the Datel HD, there must be some kind of way to run PSX games using the HD.

If PSP ISO's can run flawlessly, then PSX games should have no problems running as well.

Can Dark_Alex look into this?

Or if anyone has any kind of info as to why the PSX games wont run.

I am thinking its because Sony may of put some sort of Magic Gate type protection, where if the memory stick does not have some sort of Magic Gate signature the games wont run. I'm just taking a guess, but if thats the case there has to be a way to remove that check.

[xSidx1337x]

No man, i am getting the same error. I can run everything else, just not any of the damn PSX games. I have the Datel 4gb also. Wish i didnt buy it at the time though, since the mem sticks have become so cheap. Please, would appreciate any help. Thank you.

[The_Nothing]

No man, i am getting the same error. I can run everything else, just not any of the damn PSX games. I have the Datel 4gb also. Wish i didnt buy it at the time though, since the mem sticks have become so cheap. Please, would appreciate any help. Thank you.


Yeah it looks like it is the Datel HD's cause nobody else is having problems running PSX games on normal Memory Sticks.

I really hope someone comes out with a solution. There has to be some sort of way to get it working on the HD.

If PSP ISO's and other types of Homebrew can run perfectly on the Datex HD, then PSX should be able to run somehow. I hope someone releases a patch for us Datel HD users.

[shahneshah]

i got the same exact problem and have been asking a patch for the last five days but have had no luck

plz someone hear our call

[Birder]

I've the same problem!:(

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I bought a 4 gig card because my datel didnt work with psx. And now i can play psx its so nice :)

[The_Nothing]

I am going crazy! I tried everything. It is clear to me that Sony did something so that the game wont run on Datel Hardrives for the sake of forcing people to run out and buy their Pro Duo Memory Sticks.

I know for a fact they blocked the HD from being used, the question is what did they do? I dont know how to look into the file structure of the actual EBOOT for PSX games, maybe there is something that needs to be removed from it so that the HD can read it like a normal Pro Duo Memory Stick so it can run properly.

I'm stunned that nobody has found a solution yet.

This blows completely. I really do not want to shell out more money for a Pro Duo stick just to play PSX games.

The reason PSP ISO's work perfect on Datel HD's is because Sony never intended for PSP games to be run as ISO's which means no kind of Memory Protection Check or some crap.

But they knew Datel HD's were available and would be used for PSX games, so they did something to make it not work on the Hard Drives to force people to buy Pro Duo Sticks instead.

Ugh! :(

[The_Nothing]

I bought a 4 gig card because my datel didnt work with psx. And now i can play psx its so nice :)


Thats what Sony wanted you to do, which means there has to be a way. But glad you got it working.

I dont have the funds to buy a Pro Duo Stick. I really hope Dark_Alex or someone else can find out exactly what Sony did to make the HD not work with PSX games.

[shahneshah]

i hope the same cause i i aint gonna buy another stick either

[xSidx1337x]

Hey, they have come this far. No need to be hasty, im sure someone will come up with a fix for the HDDs. And if not, then amazon 4gb for 85 bucks, is the way to go.

[fergie4000]

the datel hdd isn't worth the sum of its parts. i returned mine almost as soon as i got it because it looks crap on a white psp. the guy i buy it from told me he would send a limited edition white one. bollocks.

[AndersN]

How about forgetting how much the Datel 4GB HDD is worth, and instead try to focus on how you can help us stupid enough to not return it after buying it?

This has got something to do with the speed of the HDD, right? Anyone know if its possible to somehow make it go faster? I figure the term 'overclocking' has got something to do with making hardware run faster than it is supposed to. Is it possible to 'overclock' this HDD?

Spent many hours waiting for the 2x battery to load, downgrading to 1.5, upgrading to 3.02 OE-A and upgrading to OE-B, only to realize that I can't play Final Fantasy IX like I planned on the bus today, as I'm travelling. This sucks.

[The_Nothing]

It cant be because the speed of the drive. If thats the case how would PSP ISO's load properly and play at full speed with no stutter of any kind?

They have way more info to access then that of some ten year old PSX game.

So I do not believe it's because of the speed. It is something Sony did to force HD users to buy a Pro Duo.

There has got to be something that we can edit in Hex on the PSX EBOOT. The problem is I have no idea where to even begin since I am not a coder.

A simple Hex edit in the correct directory could solve the problem.

If only we could play PSX games straight up as ISO's instead of loading Via EBOOT. That also might solve the problem, since PSP ISO's work flawlessly.

I swear I will pay anyone who finds a way to correct this.

[TheBuzzer]

i have a datel it sucks. don't use it again after i got a 2gb ms.

[xSidx1337x]

Dark Alex, if your out there, save the datel users :D

[The_Nothing]

I'm about to just give up and sell my Datel Drive. I don't think anyone will find a solution. This is really frustrating.

[Vlaphor]

I say wait and have faith. There was a previous issue like this where a version of Devhook, I believe it was, would not run on the HD due to some issue or another. It was fixed shortly afterwards. I hope the same will happen here.

[The_Nothing]

Is it possible to identify the meaning of an error message on the PSP?

The error code that keeps popping up on all PSX games is error code (80020321)

Maybe someone can identify what it means to try and solve this issue for us Datel HD users.

I do remember the Devhook Datel HD patch that someone released awhile ago.

[AndersN]

I'm thinking of selling mine too, and buying a 2GB Memory Stick instead. Think I'm gonna wait a couple of days, and see, tho.

[phil999]

i too would be interested in a fix for this. i guess there are a few of us that brought it :( for me it was the cheapest way of getting 4gb and even now in the uk 4 gb cards are still expensive.

i heard that if you swapped the internal card inside it for a 4gb compact flash card it works better could anyone confirm this? if this is the case then i will be a 4gb cf card and replace it as it would be cheaper.

[Vlaphor]

I sent a message to Dark Alex asking about this

Do you know anything about the incompatibility between the Datel HD and running PSX games on 3.02 OE-B? Is a problem that might be solved soon, or should I buy a 4gb mem stick? Thx for all your work.

and he just responded

They are related to reading errors of the disk. Really, they didn't do the disk very well...

[AndersN]

So he probably won't be making a fix, right?

[speighty]

I did have the datel hdd but was getting sick of that stupid error, so i just decided to buy a 4gb memory stick, best thing i ever did, i live in the uk and bought my memory stick from amazon for 45 pound, a bargain.

[graveman2000]

i use to get the same problem with 2.71se running iso's directly from the iso folder without dev hook, apparently Dark_Alex has made progress with the HD drives so its just nothing but time, we just gotta be patient and see if its fixed in oe-c or maybe search PS3store somewhere to see if they came out with a fix or something because im sure there are people with 3.03 with datel drives and ps3 systems who want to play games they bought so maybe somehow this can be resolved only time will tell..and if u cant wait and all else fails buy a 4 gig ms from amazon.

[TheBuzzer]

ya i should sell my datel hd. it is useless. just sitting in a drawer. wasted 180 on it.

[CoBrA2168]

This HDD was great back in the day before the 2GB's and 4GB's were out (and price dropped).

Now, it doesn't make sense to buy them.

This is what i would do: Keep the HDD for ISOs and all other stuff, but i would buy at least a 1GB, if not a 2GB card for PSX games. It's a hassle, and I don't know how hard it is to swap the HDD with a MS all the time, but it is just a suggestion.

[Justin Credible]

The Datel HDD will never work (got one myself) because the PSX games require the magic gate "technology" - the Datel can't use magic gate.

Justin

[The_Nothing]

The Datel HDD will never work (got one myself) because the PSX games require the magic gate "technology" - the Datel can't use magic gate.

Justin


Shouldn't there be a way to trick the PSP into thinking the HD is Magic Gate Technology via hack/patch/Hex Edit?

[phil999]

I will investigate this further over the next couple of days i am having my memory card reader delivered today as i broke my psp usb connector so need a reader to modify things in the card but then i will have a look.

[AndersN]

Sounds great. Hope you, or someone else for that matter, figures it out soon! Thanks!

[Skunk123punk]

Shouldn't there be a way to trick the PSP into thinking the HD is Magic Gate Technology via hack/patch/Hex Edit?

MagicGate is a copy-protection technology introduced by Sony in 1999 as part of the Secure Digital Music Initiative (SDMI). It works by encrypting the content on the device and using MagicGate chips in both the storage device and the reader to enforce control over how files are copied.

MagicGate encryption is used in the memory cards of the PlayStation 2 and, as of 2004, has been introduced into all of Sony's Memory Stick products. Some devices, such as Sony's Network Walkman, will only accept Memory Sticks which use MagicGate technology.

All Memory Stick Duo cards equipped with MagicGate can be identified by a notch located on the rear end of the card.


Doubt it :mad:

[AndersN]

I will investigate this further over the next couple of days i am having my memory card reader delivered today as i broke my psp usb connector so need a reader to modify things in the card but then i will have a look.
Keep us up to date. How are things going? Really appriciate you doing this!

[phil999]

there will be no progress until at least tuesday as i need something from the office which i will not goto until tuesday.

I first want to isolate if the problem is the disk as from what i know the quality of the gs-magic disk is very poor i am wondering if you open the drive and then replace the microdrive with a compact flash drive do the problems still remain.

i have various different cf / microdrives to test with.

I will update tuesday / wednesday

[boochip]

works fine if u take out the microdrive and put in a cf card. just done it with a very old cf card and psx loaded.

[Mesut]

why do you think Sony made 4GB sticks

[phil999]

works fine if u take out the microdrive and put in a cf card. just done it with a very old cf card and psx loaded.

in that case it is not magicgate.

[Xenogears V]

Also me have datel 4 gb,but it have always gave problem.

It' don't work even with devhook, for iso or cso file.

I have waste only money.:mad:

[The_Nothing]

Also me have datel 4 gb,but it have always gave problem.

It' don't work even with devhook, for iso or cso file.

I have waste only money.:mad:


Really?

Devhook always worked for me using the Datel HD. I never even had to use the Devhook patch for Datel.

The only thing that does not work for me is the PSX games. Everything else works perfect, Devhook/ISO's/All Homebrew.

So the Datel drive for me was not a complete waste considering I bought it when 2 Gig Memory Sticks were not even available which is why I got the HD in the first place. I had it since it came out about a year ago.

Anyways if a CF Card works then the problem is indeed not related to Magic Gate Technology. I wonder what it could be, maybe the transfer rate is to slow for PSX games. Which is sort of dumb considering PSP ISO's all work perfectly.

[brianfast]

I was thinking maybe the speed is too slow or something... I don't know, that sucks for you that it doesn't work.

[AndersN]

Really?

Devhook always worked for me using the Datel HD. I never even had to use the Devhook patch for Datel.

The only thing that does not work for me is the PSX games. Everything else works perfect, Devhook/ISO's/All Homebrew.

So the Datel drive for me was not a complete waste considering I bought it when 2 Gig Memory Sticks were not even available which is why I got the HD in the first place. I had it since it came out about a year ago.

Anyways if a CF Card works then the problem is indeed not related to Magic Gate Technology. I wonder what it could be, maybe the transfer rate is to slow for PSX games. Which is sort of dumb considering PSP ISO's all work perfectly.

Same as the above. Never had a problem with it before. Only thing not working is PSX games.

[AndersN]

How are things going? Any progress on isolating the problem? After DA released 3.03 OE-A, I kinda hoped I'd be able to compress a PSX game, and be able to play it from my 512MB Memory Stick, but the first FFIX disc took up about 486MB, and I couldn't fit more than 467MB on my card. Sucks to be me!

[bullet087]

I am going crazy! I tried everything. It is clear to me that Sony did something so that the game wont run on Datel Hardrives for the sake of forcing people to run out and buy their Pro Duo Memory Sticks.

I know for a fact they blocked the HD from being used, the question is what did they do? I dont know how to look into the file structure of the actual EBOOT for PSX games, maybe there is something that needs to be removed from it so that the HD can read it like a normal Pro Duo Memory Stick so it can run properly.

I'm stunned that nobody has found a solution yet.

This blows completely. I really do not want to shell out more money for a Pro Duo stick just to play PSX games.

The reason PSP ISO's work perfect on Datel HD's is because Sony never intended for PSP games to be run as ISO's which means no kind of Memory Protection Check or some crap.

But they knew Datel HD's were available and would be used for PSX games, so they did something to make it not work on the Hard Drives to force people to buy Pro Duo Sticks instead.

Ugh! :(

I was thinking, maybe the isos run fine on the Datel HDD because the games were originally supposed to run on a umd, which might be slower than the HDD itself. However, the PSX emulator was designed to run on a full speed MSPD, but the Datel HDD does not meet those speed requirements.

Just a theory :rolleyes:

[popypopy]

It cant be because the speed of the drive. If thats the case how would PSP ISO's load properly and play at full speed with no stutter of any kind?

.

Because the PSP games are made to be played of a super slow ass UMD drive, not a fast as hell memory stick, so your poor quality hard drive isnt fast enough.

[Cloudhunter]

Will all you conspiracy theorists give it a rest?

The simple fact of the matter (As confirmed by Dark_AleX himself) is that, quite simple, the drive is crap. Sony didn't do anything intentionally in order to stop the drive from working.

Cloudy

[The_Nothing]

This thread can be locked now, I fully understand now as to why the drive does not work for PSX games.

I already purchased a 4 Gig Pro Duo stick which I should be getting by tomorrow.

So the end is near for this Datel Drive I have as I will sell it for cheap.

It is clear the drive wont ever work for PSX games, so I suggest any users who still have a Datel drive to just sell it.

The drive served me well for a year, the only flaw is it wont run PSX games and it is slow. So thats the end of that.

[cunhak9]

Did you tested the datel with the new firmware 3.03 OE ?

[gameroftheuk]

This thread can be locked now, I fully understand now as to why the drive does not work for PSX games.

I already purchased a 4 Gig Pro Duo stick which I should be getting by tomorrow.

So the end is near for this Datel Drive I have as I will sell it for cheap.

It is clear the drive wont ever work for PSX games, so I suggest any users who still have a Datel drive to just sell it.

The drive served me well for a year, the only flaw is it wont run PSX games and it is slow. So thats the end of that.

It's because of MagicGate I can assure you.

[AndersN]

It's because of MagicGate I can assure you.
Dude, read the thread. We allready know it's not because of MagicGate. It's because the PSX emulator is set to read from MS's that are alot faster than the Datel drive. Datel is just to slow.

[pakkman781]

Anyone want to sell their Datel drive? I need some space on the cheap, but don't really need the PSX games so much. I'd buy if anyone want to sell. PM me.

[AndersN]

Don't think I'll sell mine. Went for an offer on 2GB MS, and wan't some extra space for PSP ISO's and movies.