Sony Slams Microsoft Movie Content - Both our systems have Hard Drives

[Zeus]

Sony has released a statement which accuses Microsoft of creating a divide between core and premium 360 owners with the announcement of their downloadable movie content on Live. Err Sony, who cares? It has nothing to do with you and you're the ones who make clear divides between European and the rest of the world, making them wait nearly half a year for the PS3!


A spokesperson for Sony offered, "PlayStation 3's content is designed for everyone to enjoy right out of the box, no matter which configuration you purchase. We would never segregate or shut out any of our consumers from our entertainment experience because they didn't buy the top of the line system. Both PlayStation 3 versions available on November 17 include hard drives for downloading content."


News Source: <A href="http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4154&Itemid=2" target="_blank">Next-Gen.biz</a>

And another thing Sony, MS didn't shut down people, they gave them the option to expand at their own pace should they want to. Those who purchased the core bundle wanted a cheaper version so they could play GAMES on the machine only, not to mention its less than HALF the price of the PS3.

[bavelb]

Sony should get over themselves. It's not like this "schism"wasn't there already with the whole XBLA and demo's on marketplace. People who bought core (like me, I upgraded as more funds came) know that, its a bloody deliberate choice.

[Mr Doctor]

Grasping at straws arent they? They must be scared ^_^

And isnt the PS3 completely non upgradable? So MS could offer a 500gb HDD when manufacture prices come down.... sony... well... cant.

[WalkingTiger]

Ugg... Again, Sony exhibits rude arrogance... It's *really* getting old... I may dislike Microsoft more, for other reasons, but these stupid purpose-less comments from Sony really serve just to make the commenter look like an idiot... Microsoft never "excluded" anyone...

Anyone can purchase the hard drive accessory for the base model 360, and *gasp*, that makes the total final price the roughly same as a base model PS3! Big suprise there, *gasp again*...

~WalkingTiger

[indierocker]

Grasping at straws arent they? They must be scared ^_^

And isnt the PS3 completely non upgradable? So MS could offer a 500gb HDD when manufacture prices come down.... sony... well... cant.


actually I believe that you can plug any 2.5" drive into the ps3....but I agree, Sony need to stop talking about the other systems and finally do something good with their own for once.

[wigsplitta]

I haven't read the detail on the HD-DVD drive or the download service but can't you just plug your own HD into the USB and store Movies, Music, Pictures, etc.? These movies will go on your own HD if you want. Atleast that's what I think. I can download the video to my usb drive from marketplace now so why wouldn't it work with the movies?

Haha don't you have to buy cables to "enjoy" the PS3 right out of the box?

[Mr Doctor]

I haven't read the detail on the HD-DVD drive but can't you just plug your own HD into the USB and store Movies, Music, Pictures, etc.? These movies will go on your own HD if you want. Atleast that's what I think. I can download the video to my usb drive from marketplace now so why wouldn't it work with the movies?
The might block it becuase of the DRM.... but if its console locked it really should work just fine.

[Retroboy]

I as a 360 owner do find it pointless why MS had done 2 versions, because at the end of the day your going to have to buy the HD so it doesnt work out any cheaper.

You cant play music in game from the HD
No wireless controller (which i love its far easier to pass arround than it is with a wired pad)
I think without the HD you dont get 1080 (not sure)
also Memory cards are a thing of the past now and must say saving to a HD is miles better.

Thing with the PS3 sure it cost more but thats mainly Blue Ray, but at least the cheaper one comes with a 20GB HD (which is bigger than the one i got with my 360) i on the other hand dont like the fact that if i wish to load things from the memory slots (maybe a psp emulator?) ill have to buy the 60GB HD, ive also herd that only the 60GB HD can allow 1080p (not sure if thats true either)

Im not really fussed on downloadable movies to my 360 as it will take a while to download, takes up pointless storage room and cant be backed up, so really i find it easier to simply keep copying dvds and have it on disc to use whenever/whereever i like.

[wigsplitta]

Yes, and now since the update I'm going to start conversions to WMV that way I can stream them from my pc to my 360. Pretty soon (a few years) there will be ways of ripping HD-DVD to wmv for streaming as well.

[Havok154]

Yes, and you can have a 20GB HD like the lower end PS3 for less with the Xbox Premium system, so what's their point?

"You can get our lower end system and still have a drive....but pay $100 more then our rivals high end system."

[The Bat]

Sony had three responses that they could have made to this.

1. Say nothing about it, and hype up their own strengths

2. Point out their multiple partnerships within the TV, movie, and music industry as possible sources for a future better service

3. Say something that is totally pointless and stupid, making themselves look unprofessional and insecure in the process

Sony is still Sony, it seems.

[siotus]

jesus chirst. In the name of balance (because everyone on the forum seems to hate sony) You can't compare microsoft intensionally including a 20 gig HD with one model, and no HD in another; to sony accidently messing up the manufacturing of PS3's, making it so european consumers cannot buy one till next year.

The way its worded on the front page makes it seem as if sony just holds meetings and says, "Man, I really hate europeans. Let's make a clear divide by missing the holiday season and delaying our next generation console for almost half a year in an entire continent while we're suffering a huge battery recall, poor sales and massive pirating of our handheld system, and declining stock prices internationally"

".....................That sounds awesome! >.<"

HD-DVD:
Single layer = 15GB
Dual layer = 30GB
Triple (and the currently the highest) = 45GB

Blu-Ray
Single layer = 25GB
Dual layer = 50GB
Quad layer = 100GB
Sextuple (and currently the highest) = 200GB

Xbox 360: Triple core "Xenon" processor, with each core clocked at 3.2ghz for a total of 9.6ghz

PS3: "Cell" Processor with seven 3.2ghz S(ynergistic) P(rocessing E(lement)s for a total of 22.4ghz.

Sony uses blu-ray, it can hold much more data then hd-dvd, and supports multimedia formats. They use 4 more CPU's than the 360. those two factors alone value around 3400$. You can't expect them to fit all that, plus a 20GB hard drive, minimum, and still be cheaper than the competition. As one poster said before, at least with sony you get a hard drive no matter what, which is better than getting a 360 without one, only to be almost forced into buying a hard drive paying almost the same price as the premium console.

Plus its retarded and almost childish to say that microsoft's online service is way better than sony's, while at the same time knowing almost nothing about sony's online service. I mean. Hell. We barely found out what the internet browser for it looks like. Sony may be cocky, but it's never been without good cause. I'll wait till I get my hands on a ps3 and a wii before I say who the best out of the three is.

I'm not biased in any way, and I own all the 6th generation consoles (exept DC). I just don't like people ganging up without someone there to play the devil's advocate.

[dannybII]

FFS people have the choice don't they? If you want a core buy a core. If you want a premium buy a premium.
My nephew who just wants to play games and doesn't WANT all the other bits and bobs is perfectly happy with a core. He doesn't even have broadband so forcing him to have all that other stuff is pointless. IF as his needs grow he decides in the future he WANTS a hard drive then he can add 1 with a single click. Ne fuss no mess. Whats the big deal? He got a Core and a memory card for £200. Should he have been forced to spend another £80 to get all the gubbins that he might never need?

Or should he perhaps import a Sony cos he can't get one in the U.K yet? Oh no, thats right he cant cos Sony bullies any company that dares to break it's stranglehold on the scam that is region zoning.

[wigsplitta]

Correction: the PS3 has 1 ppe (the controller) with 8 SPEs (7 for the PS3) which have 1 SPU each that perform 2 Double precision calculations per clock cycle. The cell can only perform certain tasks at very high speed. In theory it's faster but to the everyday user it's not. It is faster for scientific calculations. The architecture is way different than the traditional cpu. BTW you need a monster compiler for the cell which slows things down. Don't get me wrong I think it's bad ass but it's not going to make the PS3 better. You forgot to mention that the Nvidia GPU in the PS3 is traditional while the one is the 360 has 7 unified pipelines. That could be hyped as a breakthrough much like the cell but it's not.

Sony doesn't have an online service. They will allow you to download their content for $ but they aren't doing any type of service to the end user. That cost is passed on to the developers.

The cell is super fast but the PS3 is also limited by the small amount of RAM and the bandwidth of the other components. That's the same story for any other PC or console.

[siotus]

it has 8, but only seven are used for gaming, the 8th is used for xmb aplets. The PPE is the power network.

And sony's online service is supposed to be alot like microsoft's. Which is why microsoft called it a blatant rip off.

And that being said, i also didn't bother to mention the 360's gpu runs at 500mhz , 1TFLOPS, 48 billion shader operations per second, 24 billion dot products per second. All the while the ps3's runs at 550mhz, 1.67 TFLOPS, 74.8 billion shader operations per second, and 33 billion dot products per second.

Plus the cell processor doesn't act as one all the time. Each seven could be considered divided, with the ability to act united. Games like Resistance: Fall of Man only use about three of the seven SPE's, one for and primary graphics and responce to input, one for physics, and one for all the ambient and backround objects that add to realism, and it still doesn't draw on all the power of the three SPE's they use. It would be slow if you were trying to draw out all 22.4ghz of power from it, but I dont think we'll see any games or aplets that do that for a few years.

The ps3 has the same amount of ram as 360. The GPU uses 256MB of 3.2ghz XDR DRAM, and the CPU uses 256MB of 700mhz VRAM. GPU can access the CPU's memory at any time. You're right though, the CPU can only access the GPU's ram at low bandwith (but it has no problem accessing it's own).

Plus if you really dont want a hard drive then just open the system up, take out your 20gb HD and hawk it to some idiot by telling him it's possible to connect 2 HD's to the system(which is theoretically possible if you used a master-slave set up).

[wigsplitta]

it has 8, but only seven are used for gaming, the 8th is used for xmb aplets. The PPE is the power network.

And sony's online service is supposed to be alot like microsoft's. Which is why microsoft called it a blatant rip off.
I wasn't trying to school you so don't get me wrong. I just don't want people to look at your post and assume that the processors are the same (the traditional cpu). I think the concept of the PS3 "network" is a rip off because the way Sony is comparing it to Live. The truth is they will offer content but nothing else to the PS3 users. everything we use has been an idea that has been taken from someone else you know. I see Live as the network that 360 users play the games on while some see it as content. I guess it's a matter of perception.

Yes, the cell is more powerful but it's still too new. I posted in another thread that it might bring an end to the PPC and X86 processors.

[siotus]

I agree, and I also apologize if I got too worked up in my responce. I plan to get a ps3, because in the long run it looks like sony is planning ahead with larger processing power, and much larger storage devices. The cell is too new. That's why sony keeps saying this console has things like blu-ray and the cell - both of which are ridiculously powerful and large for todays gaming - because they're planning for 5, 8, 10 years down the road. It's too new now, but if there could be a way to upgrade the ram then the ps3 would have a seriously long life.

[faceless]

it has 8, but only seven are used for gaming, the 8th is used for xmb aplets.
actually, on the PS3, only 6 are available for devs, the 7th is for the OS and the 8th is unused to increase the amount of cells that can be used in ps3's

The ps3 has the same amount of ram as 360. The GPU uses 256MB of 3.2ghz XDR DRAM, and the CPU uses 256MB of 700mhz VRAM. GPU can access the CPU's memory at any time. You're right though, the CPU can only access the GPU's ram at low bandwith (but it has no problem accessing it's own).
same amount of RAM, but lower available ram...

32MB of ram for the 360 is reserved for the OS, while it's 96MB for the PS3...

[wiggim]

MS did screw up by not including ANY HDD right out of the box unless you shelled out an extra $100+ for it.. MS should have thrown in at least a free Mem card rather than shitty games with core bundles, but it should have been 512MB onboard flash for gamesaves if you ask me, with ability to transfer to mem/hdd.. Anyway..

Least they were in a haste to get it out unlike sony who don't want europe to enjoy it for at least 1.5 years after the 360 came out.. lol Looks like MS beat everyone to the chase there.

There is huge functional differences in the PS3 though isn't it? The 360s will do either or dispite not having wireless controllers or HDDs. Some people don't have ethernet - so why would they need anything more than a mem card? Plus sony is filling up the 20GB drives fast with copy load.. copy PART of 3 games to your HDD and that ones kaput.. MS don't need to do that for quick loading times.

[Evolution]

I will reseve my judgement and my money until I see the PS3 in the flesh up and running which since I live in Europe will be March 2007

I have seen far too much crap to come out of SCE's mouths over the years about the power of their respective consoles to believe a word that Sony says.

All games companies talk crap about their products but only Sony have a serious arrogance about them that means I would laugh long and hard if they failed.

Their statements about the 360 and Wii and the ridiculous pricing of the PS3 mean that they have no concern whatsoever about their potential customers, only that they shut up and spend their money on the Sony vision.

And before any idiot starts. I am not a fanboy of any console, I am far too old and long in the tooth for that sort of nonsense but I have so far enjoyed my 360 experience and I will probably want a PS3 somewhere down the line but certainly not within the next year to 18 months no matter what games come out for it in the meantime.

As for the Wii? Zelda has made me want one a great deal but not enough to justify a console for one game.

[SSChevy2001]

siotus first off the xbox360 is a triple core 3.2ghz processor which is capable of running 6 Threads at once. Second the xbox360 has 48 shader pipelines vs 24 of the ps3. Also the PS3 has a 256MB GPU Limit vs 512MB + 10MB shared that xbox360. Don't keep hyping up the ps3 to being more than it really is!

As for not have a HD in both, they made the right choice. ( less memory or hd in both ) More memory is the better choice. Gears of War

[wigsplitta]

HAHA I had to read up on that one again. I must have been smoking some crack because I thought it was 7 pipelines. 48 unified shaders.....holy crap :eek: and it has 2 seperate dies each running at 500 mhz each. Wow I didn't know that. I'm not being a smartass but I was way under on what I thought the power of the 360 GPU was.