Pro Evo 6 on 360 - The start of a worrying trend?

[Evolution]

Now I know this thread will not really interest our American friends who couldnt give a crap about soccer.

I bought this game today for the 360 as you know soccer is really big in Europe and Pro Evo and Fifa traditionally dominate the sales charts at Christmas

However the game is irrelevant, what is very worrying is the complete title of this game should be Pro Evo 6 - Lite because thats what it is. It has a vastly inferior amount of content than the PS2 version of the same game which is upwards of £20 cheaper.

I have been reading online that a lot of the content (teams, stadiums editors and cheat style easter eggs) missing from the 360 version of the game will be available on the XBox Live Marketplace as downloadable content at the convenient price of £8/1000 points. This is utterly ridiculous and is clearly the way of the future, turning an already expensive hobby into a shockingly expensive one.

PS3 fanboys dont rejoice yet, as no doubt Sony has exactly the same kind of cash cow business model planned for its next console as well.

MS would do well to realise that people are not made of money and will soon tire of stunts like this, if as expected it becomes the rule rather than the exception.

Ever feel that you are being cheated? :mad:

[Zilluss]

I'm pretty worried about that. It's the same as with the Boosterpacks for Battlefield 2. And I have a big Problem. Fifa 07 is lacking a good AI and some smaller Gameplay points. PES (which I was about to buy before i read your Post)
dosn't have that good Graphics, lacks the German Teams (I'm from Germany^^)
and now THAT!

[thePANICHIOteam]

I have never paid for extras and i never will. Just as if I went to mcdonalds and bought a meal i wouldnt expect to be given an empty fries carton and have to pay again for them to actually fill it up. Whats next buy a DVD only to find that the end is missing and you'll have to pay for for it??

And yes there will be a point when i think actually im not going to buy the game at all. If they expect me to pay more to play it the way it was meant to be played then i'd rather not play another video game ever.

are teams really missing???? that is a total insult. Does your £8 get you only 1team???

Its getting ridiculous now £40-£50 for a game, they get money from in game ads and now these micro transactions are totally taking the piss. Theyve being crying about piracy etc etc... claiming they dont make much money and then they do things like this. Things are only going to get worse.

How they expect to change peoples views about piracy when they take such unscrupulous actions is beyond me. How is anyone going to feel any kind of guilt or reluctance towards piracy when they do things like this. It will only drive them towards it.

[nekkron99]

Just kidding about the soccer remark. I'm American, but that has nothing to do with my disinterest in Football (soccer). I'm not a sports fan at all actually, and I could give less than 2 squirts of the old butt mud about sports related games.

I am, however, very much concerned with your predictions, and have been for some time. I know M$ is probably mostly to blame for this, but the milking of the M$ Cash Cow is coming from the big hitters.../cough...EA.../cough I hope (but know it will) this doesn't get worse.:mad:

[Robotron]

The problem is these companies are so blinded by their greed they can't see how they're killing gaming.

I have given up on my 360. I no longer buy games for it....but I use to.
It's funny because I vowed never to mod my 360, but now I wouldn't have a problem with that.
All these games I have paid $70 for only to find out that I don't have the full game or that they'll release an add-on that if I don't download I can't play online anymore. The "if you don't like it - don't buy it" argument doesn't apply because you don't find out until AFTER you have purchased the game that you're being screwed. No map pack? No Online games for you. Where is the choice?
I have friends who don't care about anything and just blindly buy everything on the marketplace and even they are getting tired of it.

I worry about the PS3 and Wii online as well. The stories from the Sony side scare me and the Wii virtual pricing sucks.

If this is the future of gaming then I'm done...maybe the extra time will do me good.

[Mr Doctor]

Marketplace is a brilliant thing when it comes to addons ect.... I'm happy to pay money for good content to add to a game (that was obviosuly complete) - Oblivion for example, I havent yet, but I hear that Razor quest is quite a long well made addition and so a good example of it done right. But its not going that way, its being abused to hell and back (PS3 too, with their "buy a weapon, buy a car" bull)

Remember back in the day when all you needed was one level that changed colour and got faster and faster? Those were the days!

[iratasan]

i guess the perfect advertisement plan for gaming developers in the future will be a sticker that says: "this is actually the complete game, no downloads neccessary". having two sports games in my hands i would buy the one with this sticker.

one of thousand reasons why i prefer console games over pc games is (or was?) that i could only put the medium into the console and play it instead of having to make use of patches, downloads, graphic card upgrades...etc. Mods and new maps are cool, but not if someone wants to charge you for that.

Mr Doctor, i respect your opinion on this one, but i disagree with the fact that they want to charge for such things as razor quest. i think that they should offer such things for free so more people see a value in games like oblivion instead of just making more money out of people who already own the game.

[Evolution]

I'm pretty worried about that. It's the same as with the Boosterpacks for Battlefield 2. And I have a big Problem. Fifa 07 is lacking a good AI and some smaller Gameplay points. PES (which I was about to buy before i read your Post)
dosn't have that good Graphics, lacks the German Teams (I'm from Germany^^)
and now THAT!

FIFA 07 is exactly the same. It only has 6 full leagues in it and 1 Serie B team who are Juventus. My own team are not in it despite being one of the world's best known teams and that only reinforced my anger at EA and MS :mad:

The only German team I have seen in Pro Evo is Bayern Munich but I am lead to believe that this is more a legal thing between Konami and the Bundisliga rather than a deliberate ploy to piss off football mad Germans like yourself :D

Dont get me wrong, the game plays well, as Pro Evo games should but I think that the PS2 is the last console that you will actually get a 'full' gaming experience (ie what you paid your hard earned for) as every other console from now on in will have the dreaded 'downloadable content' business model.

A business model, might I add that is flawed and destined to fail. The crap that is on X Box Arcade that they expect you to pay 400-1000 points for is just a complete joke. I can download a WHOLE arcade for free from various sources using MAME and its a damn sight better playing the original game than some 'HD' emu that is overpriced crap.

Rant over :D

[GameJerk]

this is starting to piss me off. It sure didn't take long before they realized that they could just hold back content and charge us for it. I love PRO EVO and plan on buying it for the 360 when its released in January here in the states.... but this is bullshit. Plain and Simple.

[soulbwoy]

I already found a new hobby. Its called modding.

[Rubric]

This is a sad trend that isn't going away. Aren't we supposed to get a whole game when we buy it in the first place? It all boils down to these companies impementing a petty, greedy business model that M$ has endorsed. There really isn't much we can do but bend over and take it. & the live games aren't priced right either. $15 for Luminess? & then to get the WHOLE game i need to drop more cash? What a friggin joke.

I feel cheated.

[Evolution]

This is a sad trend that isn't going away. Aren't we supposed to get a whole game when we buy it in the first place? It all boils down to these companies impementing a petty, greedy business model that M$ has endorsed. There really isn't much we can do but bend over and take it. & the live games aren't priced right either. $15 for Luminess? & then to get the WHOLE game i need to drop more cash? What a friggin joke.

I feel cheated.

I would be embarassed to charge for Lumines its so cliched.

When I heard that not only will they charge you for this POS they then want even more morey off you to complete the 'experience'

But hey, when MS is involved every day is money to be made. :mad:

Internet access is turning out to be the worst thing that ever happened to consoles.

[soulbwoy]

Internet access is turning out to be the worst thing that ever happened to consoles.

as i was reading this post i started to realize the same thing.:(

[Rubric]

I would be embarassed to charge for Lumines its so cliched.
When I heard that not only will they charge you for this POS they then want even more morey off you to complete the 'experience'
But hey, when MS is involved every day is money to be made. :mad:
Internet access is turning out to be the worst thing that ever happened to consoles.

I've nothing against a company making money, as that's what they need to do. However, this scheme where they are selling fragmented games on next gen systems but including everything on last gen systems is a bunch of crap. If they want me to buy something on live make sure it's not the rest of something I've already paid for, which is hard to argue on both the developer & consumers end. Who's right in deciding whether or not something they're selling is completing the experience, or enhancing it?

[wadsy]

Video killed the radiostar.

and downloadable content killed the console !!!

[soulbwoy]

gosh i can just imagine how incomplete halo 3 is gonna be outta of the box. This reminds me of the medical industry. they intentionally dont cure **** because there is no money in the cure, the money is in the treatment (patches/upgrades).

[Abaddon666]

Internet access is turning out to be the worst thing that ever happened to consoles.

At last, I thought I was the only one to think so. It's not only the stuff you are more or less forced to buy online. It's the whole game. Have a look at the ign reviews, at least every second one will tell you something like "well, the singleplayer mode sucks but online this is at least worth the money". I HATE online gaming and I will NEVER change my mind regarding this. It's not only about the extra money M$ demands for the service, it's simply not my way of gaming.
I'd never have thought that the 360 (and maybe the PS3 and the WII too) would turn out to be pure MP consoles.
I'm really disappointed of the 360 games so far, and the upcoming ones don't really seem to become any better, in another way that is. I will wait and see, but if M$ doesn't do anything about this Sony will pretty easy takeover the market. They simply have to port and pimp old PS2 titles, this would be much better than this BS.

[Havok154]

I will keep buying 360 games and such, but I won't even touch these 1/2 made games. Unless they give me a full experience, like GRAW or Oblivion, then have optional downloads, I won't touch it. I won't buy any addons for them unless it's really cheap and I get a whole lot for that money. I bought the GRAW addon but that's the last semi addon I buy, ever. I only bought it because I needed it to play on any servers but now I'll just stick to the single player portions if they do this stuff again.

[mrdj]

I dont think we should blame MS`s xbox 360 or theyer marcetplace for this..Its this simply that those companys that doing like this will not sell theyer product enought good as espected. They maby think they will earn more money when doing like this, but in fact i guess they will instued get more angry consumers that want by theyer game :mad:. Good Companys like Capcom that listen and care about theyer fans deserve good suport also.. like they got with the Dead Rising release :cool:

[rukow]

IMHO game companies can bill gamers for 'extra content' only if the game cost half the normal price - otherwise it have to be for free.
I'll boycot all castrated games in the future.

[Vintage]

All the companys do is get the word from microsoft the make it half complete, which they do, then sell the game, few weeks later put the addons up and microsoft and the the game company get the profit and there is many stupid people that will buy these thing, only ones i got was pgr3 packs, pdz packs, about it.

I was guna buy this but i doubt it now, multiplayer should be a laugh but there is half of the stuff missing to balance that out, grime future for 360 games and ps3/sony will go that why to, anything to make a quick buck from people.

[thePANICHIOteam]

Multiplayer gets boring fast when you dont have many teams to choose from....

[Vintage]

Multiplayer gets boring fast when you dont have many teams to choose from....

Very true there :(

[swisstony123]

People should boycott this if they do make us pay!!
It's really not on paying for tiny addons ie things that should have been in the original game!! What happens when we run out of space on the hardrive with all our payed for extra content!?? do we then buy a new one!?!? I can understand this if it was a major addon like with some of oblivions just not all of them like there horse armour pack!? Absolute F**kin joke!

[nuke868]

people who pays for live or in game cointent is just stupid nothing to add more,why should pay that when i alreayd pay for the game,m sure that if on ps3 it ll be all free at least the internet service that would be easily stopped.