new xbox and pbl 2003-08-08 (1.5)

[xmorph]

Hi!
it seeams that pbl is not working well on the new box'es tested pbl1.3 and 1.3.5 ,, pbl is working so is the ftp ,but the but video is fooked ,,, when i boot the box xbox logo is ok but when it loads pbl then the screen goes freaky ,,, does anyone know something about it? or any know how to fix it??
tnx in advance

K:510101
D:492001

[chaka[tNs]]

YO, what'z up with this? I have same problem and can't belive there's nobody who can solve this. Can anybody help us out?

//chaka[tNs]

[Chips]

I think that you'll need a M7 BFM bios for the v1.4 & 1.5 xbox.

But i didn't succeed making a M7 BFM :(

[trypticon]

im having the same exact problem on a 1.5 i was told that you need to configure yer m7 bios to me bfm but when i put the rc4 keys in xbtool from the xboxrom.bin provided with pbl installer it keeps tellin me i cant open the kernel so if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated

[EvilWise]

Finally I've found a discussion forum that is addressing the issue I'm having. It seems like there's hardly anyone out there that has this issue. Finally at least people are discussing it. IO have the m7 bios but I can't find the appropriate rc4 key anywhere... Hopefully it will surface here soon and loading it will correct the problem... but... Does PBL load the bios before or after it shows its own flash screen? Because on my box the phoenix logo is also scrambled.

Guess this is a pretty fresh problem. Anxiously awaiting the solution!

[trypticon]

the problem is the new video chipset in the 1.4 and 1.5 boxes isnt compatible with anything but m7 bios problem is that phoenix requires a boot from media bios and as of right now there is no way to properly change the m7 bios to be bfm ive tried it many times and it wont load so i guess those using phoenix are just SOL until somebody puts out a working m7bfm bios for pbl... ive researched this for 4 days now and this is the only conclusion i can come up with

[silent_killa]

Hi all!
Try it with the Evox D.6 EjectFix BFM bios.
It should then work.

[trypticon]

ive tried it with the d6 ef bfm bios and phoenix still wont load properly

[silent_killa]

i don´t understand this. My fiend have no problem. His XBox, dated 2003-08-06, work with the PBL. We uses the signed PBL 1.3 with the known RC4 key and the evox d.6 ef bfm. When he boots the xbox logo is ok but when it loads pbl then the screen goes freaky.After that evolutionx 3921 loads and the screen get fine.

[silent_killa]

i believe you must have the rc4 and the two eeprom keys in boot.cfg

[EvilWise]

Could you share the appropriate keys?

[Tsjibbe]

Having the same problem with a v1.4. Did anyone make the exploit work on this version?

[ddaddy]

I had a working hacked xbox yesterday, took it back the shop as found them cheaper elsewhere, now ive got one that has this video problem.

Anyone come up with a solution yet?

Thx

[ddaddy]

Like silent_killer said, i tried EvoXD6_EjectFix_bfm.bin and had to manually select it from the bios option screen (press A after phoenix logo) every time.

I renamed the file to xboxrom.bin and deleted any other bios's in the bioses folder and it now works like a dream :)

It still flickers on boot up, but i imagine thats down to phoenix using a default bios built into the program itself, but it then loads EvoX D6 and all works well.

Give it a try

[Tsjibbe]

Works indeed like a charm. :D

[TreFacTor]

could someon please give the the dummy version of how to do this, I can't get it to work. I can't get back to my original dash after evox loads, and when I try to load the pbl, it just jumps all over the place.I still can gain ftp access through 007, but it seems futile. I can't load any of the copied games i have. please help. ....


dredded eorr 21 on a brand new xbox bundle.

trefactor99@yahoo.com

[LiMeTWiG]

You are not stuck with the EvoX D6 EF BFM BIOS. The most important thing is to use PBL 1.3.5i, not older versions. Actually, using the latest version of XBtool, I have managed to get EvoX M7 BFM (and variants) working with PBL 1.3.5i on a 1.4 Xbox.

I think the reason to why the EvoX D6 BFM BIOS also works on 1.4 and 1.5 Xboxes, is because the EvoX D6 BIOS is based on the 4817 retail BIOS, which probably also got the built-in support for the Focus video chip like the 5101 retail BIOS have (EvoX M7).

[Apex]

Anyone fancy offering up a nice easy noobs guide to sorting this out? Christ, I can't even get hold of the latest phoenix at the mo. :(

I know, noobtastic.

[bauzlefou]

i'm the same problem too...
i use PBL 1.3.5i with D6 EvoXD6_EjectFix_bfm.bin or X2_4978_BFM.bin as bios.
the xbox boot and when i try to flash bios, i learnt to read a "marquee" menu :) :) , nothing come ... i have the screen with the question "Are you sure you want to flash ..."
i do "Y" and nothing... i "read" : Erasing and a few minutes later, always the same thing !!! how long i do to be patient ? ... 'ccause i reboot every time and the xbox turn "normally" ... on evox with "funny" display...

help please...


ps: sorry for my english ;)

[Drober]

Hi friends. I'm the webmaster of powerxbox.com. I have just modded my Xbox 1.5 with plb and it works fine. If you want all the files about the PBL mod visit my site: www.powerxbox.com .
The official opening of my site is in Dicember, but I put these files very soon.
P.S: sorry about my site, all in Italian!

[Artifex]

Sorry to keep all of you hanging on this.... we've been very busy lately with other projects!

The problem is not with the bios you are TRYING to boot, the problem is with PBL itself. PBL uses the same video library as xbeboot, xromwell, etc... which talks directly to the conexant video encoder and the nvidia gpu when it starts, in order to obtain a framebuffer on which to draw it's splash, UI, etc. However, this library has only recently acquired support for the Focus encoder found in v1.4/v1.5 boxes. We have discussed it, and will work focus support into PBL before the next public release, but can not currently give a good estimate of when this will be.

In the meantime, PBL SHOULD still function normally to load a bios compatible with the focus chip, such as 5101 or 5010, but without a splash screen or UI.

We appologize, but for the time being, you'll have to 'fly blind.'

--Artifex

[Artifex]

Originally posted by Drober
Hi friends. I'm the webmaster of powerxbox.com. I have just modded my Xbox 1.5 with plb and it works fine. If you want all the files about the PBL mod visit my site: www.powerxbox.com .
The official opening of my site is in Dicember, but I put these files very soon.
P.S: sorry about my site, all in Italian!


I am quite "sorry" about your site, as well.

On it you are hosting quite a bit of material compiled with the Microsoft XDK, as well as modified bioses derived from Microsoft's originals. I certainly hope you've obtained permission from Microsoft to host this content? As they hold the copyright to the code found in these materials, they would, of course, HAVE to grant you permission to distribute these materials for you to be doing so legally.

As I am assuming you have NOT been granted such permissions, these materials are likely being hosted in violation of international copyright, as outlined by the Berne Convention and the Universal Copyright Convention. (UCC)

As Phoenix remains a group dedicated to LEGAL endeavours, it SHAMES us to have our work hosted alongside such blatent disregard for the legal rights of others. I strongly suggest and URGE you to either remove the material you are illegally hosting, or consult with your legal representation on the matter. If you were to be reported to the proper authorities, you COULD find yourself in a heap of trouble.

Also, take note that the IP from which you posted is logged and available to forum administrators and moderators (which I am) and also the contact information for your TLD (Top Level Domain) entry is publicly available. Do not be suprised if you DO find yourself soon reported for your brazen illegal actions.

Finally, I'd like to urge others in the scene to NOT follow the examples set for by the likes of this "Drober" and to respect the hard work and legal rights of others.

--Artifex

[ddaddy]

Artifex, have you read about the problems some people are having on the september release xbox's??

PBL doesnt seem to load any bioses at all, they just hang after the phoenix logo. This had been discussed on xbox-scene and no one seems to know why it doesnt work on just these xbox's.

[guysurf]

using mutiple controllers during the loading process of 1.3.5 seems to make the xbox hang.....anyone else have this problem??

[Artifex]

Originally posted by guysurf
using mutiple controllers during the loading process of 1.3.5 seems to make the xbox hang.....anyone else have this problem??

This may not be so much a problem with multiple controllers, as a problem with specific types/brands of controllers, who's manufacturer and device ids arn't coded into the usb library, or having OTHER usb devices (such as a keyboard or mouse) connected while booting. Unplug other devices, and use "standard" controllers, and this should help. Hopefully we can resolve this for the next version.

--Artifex

[Wooger]

Originally posted by Artifex
I am quite "sorry" about your site, as well.

On it you are hosting quite a bit of material compiled with the Microsoft XDK, as well as modified bioses derived from Microsoft's originals. I certainly hope you've obtained permission from Microsoft to host this content? As they hold the copyright to the code found in these materials, they would, of course, HAVE to grant you permission to distribute these materials for you to be doing so legally.

As I am assuming you have NOT been granted such permissions, these materials are likely being hosted in violation of international copyright, as outlined by the Berne Convention and the Universal Copyright Convention. (UCC)

As Phoenix remains a group dedicated to LEGAL endeavours, it SHAMES us to have our work hosted alongside such blatent disregard for the legal rights of others. I strongly suggest and URGE you to either remove the material you are illegally hosting, or consult with your legal representation on the matter. If you were to be reported to the proper authorities, you COULD find yourself in a heap of trouble.

Also, take note that the IP from which you posted is logged and available to forum administrators and moderators (which I am) and also the contact information for your TLD (Top Level Domain) entry is publicly available. Do not be suprised if you DO find yourself soon reported for your brazen illegal actions.

Finally, I'd like to urge others in the scene to NOT follow the examples set for by the likes of this "Drober" and to respect the hard work and legal rights of others.

--Artifex

Now not to keep beating a dead dog but how again do you load the PBL LEGALLY ?

Plus Im sure microsoft has "blessed" your software?

Or would you guys be willing to stand in court against a legal case against not only you but the "group" that is associated with it.

I would agree that hosting XDK stuff may not be the smartest idear in the world but Im still willing to bet if microsoft was really concerned about software piracy they might ask you guys to stop. Granted Im sure how you look at it the software may be "legal" but the process involved when individuals boot the PBL "may" not be.

It saddens me when individuals or groups look at one side of there software but neglect to look the other way, just kind of ignoring the fact that the majority of individuals using it are infact using it "ILLEGALLY"

Wooger

[Artifex]

Originally posted by Wooger
Now not to keep beating a dead dog but how again do you load the PBL LEGALLY ?

<sarcasm>
I'm sure that this post isn't flamebait or trolling, of course. </sarcasm>
Let me give you a quick idiots-guide-to copyright law:
If you created it, it's yours. You have the rights to decide who gets it, who gets to use it, who is allowed to give it to others to use, and under what circumstances.
If someone uses it against those decisions you've made for it, they are violating your "copyright" and in turn, the law.

If someone HAS granted you the right to use the work theyve created, you then have the right to do with it what you please, so long as you do not violate any other copyrights. (or, obviously, any other law)

So, let's look at the case of a PC. You buy a PC, with microsoft windows on it. That copy of windows is YOURS to use, and use as you see fit. If you wish to modify it's code so that all of the windows display upside down, that's within your right. If you want to format the drive, put BeOS on the pc, and use the windows installer CD as a frisbee, that's within your right. So long as you do not GIVE that copy of windows to anyone else against the restrictions set forth by microsoft for their work, you are within your right, whatever you do with it.

In the case of the xbox... You buy an xbox, with microsoft "XboxOS" on it. If you wish to modify that copy of XboxOS so that all of the filenames are backwards, that's within your right. If you want to modify it so that it runs unsigned code, that's within your right. If you want to trash the "XboxOS" alltogether, and put cromwell on there, and use the box as a linux server, that's within your right.

PBL is copyrighted to Phoenix. We grant you permission to use it, and distribute it freely, with the single stipulation that you do not distribute the rc4 keys for bioses and eeproms. Originally, this was because distrbuting these numbers may have been illegal. Now, they are considered "known trade secrets" (another whole mess of law) and would be legal to distribute, however we still ask that you do not, for purely pollitical reasons.

So, if you can use PBL legally... and you can modify your operating system however you'd like and use the font trick to execute PBL to load your modified operating system legally.... I don't see where the problem is. Where is a copyright being violated? Nothing is being redistributed against anyones wishes.....

The illegality comes into play when people REDISTRIBUTE Microsoft copyrighted code, such as bioses, against Microsoft's permission. Or when a person copys a videogame to their harddrive from the internet, against Microsoft's permission. THEN, law is being broken. However, PBL was not involved in the act of breaking those laws, at all. (If you're going to say "But but but PBL was used to LOAD the ILLEGALLY distributed bios and PLAY the illegally distribtued game" you've missed the whole point. Once again, it is the act of redistribution that violates copyright. By the time PBL is involved in those scenarios, the crime has already been committed.)


Plus Im sure microsoft has "blessed" your software?


Why would they have to? Why should they? We know that they have used it, and find it generally unimpressive, as we're really just using THEIR tricks to "work the magic," from a technical standpoint. Beyond this, they have no legal or ethical consideration of it at all. They are indifferent to it's existance.


Or would you guys be willing to stand in court against a legal case against not only you but the "group" that is associated with it.


Yes, why wouldnt I? We've done nothing illegal, or even unethical or immoral. We have infringed upon noones rights, and broken no laws, with PBL or any of our other works.


I would agree that hosting XDK stuff may not be the smartest idear in the world but Im still willing to bet if microsoft was really concerned about software piracy they might ask you guys to stop.

Freely and publicly giving out copyrighted material against the will of the holder of the copyright, and even going so for as to "advertise" this fact in public forums, is not only "Not the smartest idear in the world" but it is also illegal, immoral, unethical, and just plain rude. It shows a total lack of respect for the hard work of others, and for the works themselves.


Granted Im sure how you look at it the software may be "legal" but the process involved when individuals boot the PBL "may" not be.


As stated previously, the software itself is legally redistributed, and the process of using it is legal. (From a copyright standpoint at least... if you find some way to murder someone by booting it, then i'll concede that "the process involved when individuals boot the PBL 'may' not be.")


It saddens me when individuals or groups look at one side of there software but neglect to look the other way, just kind of ignoring the fact that the majority of individuals using it are infact using it "ILLEGALLY"


No, they are using PBL legally, to load an illegally obtained bios to run illegally obtained software.

There is no other side to it.

[Wooger]

To begin with all this is subject to the license agreement set forth by the original developer.

But..

If you created it, it's yours. You have the rights to decide who gets it, who gets to use it, who is allowed to give it to others to use, and under what circumstances.

Last I checked microsoft created not only the console but the "XBoxOS" as you stated and though I am not microsoft I highly doubt that microsoft would decide when the software was created to let you run anything that would "exploit" the software. [Though it is there own stupidity to have such exploits]


So, let's look at the case of a PC. You buy a PC, with microsoft windows on it. That copy of windows is YOURS to use, and use as you see fit. If you wish to modify it's code so that all of the windows display upside down, that's within your right. If you want to format the drive, put BeOS on the pc, and use the windows installer CD as a frisbee, that's within your right. So long as you do not GIVE that copy of windows to anyone else against the restrictions set forth by microsoft for their work, you are within your right, whatever you do with it.

What you describe here you appear to be looking at the hardware base of things. Which is fine except.
You and I both know this is not true. You can not modify the code how you see fit. You can not simply decompile windows and "change" its code to your liking. Also you can without a doubt transfer that copy of Windows included with your pc to another individual as long as the transferee takes sole ownership of the software and you forfit all rights to it. You can infact give the "CD" of windows to anyone you want. The media means nothing and never will. So for the pc i just purchased you can have the cd and hold it for me.



In the case of the xbox... You buy an xbox, with microsoft "XboxOS" on it. If you wish to modify that copy of XboxOS so that all of the filenames are backwards, that's within your right. If you want to modify it so that it runs unsigned code, that's within your right. If you want to trash the "XboxOS" alltogether, and put cromwell on there, and use the box as a linux server, that's within your right.

Once again the code is copywrited. You can not simply re-write the code without written permission from the owner/creator of the copywritten software. And you can not without a doubt re-destribute the "changed" code if you ever did change anything to your liking. Which leads me to another point. If even you could rewrite the code to fit your liking as you state you can not re-distribute any modified code which you have modified due to the fact it includes copywritten material. Thus making any distibuted "exploit" illegal because it includes copywritten material (such as the audio exploit, the ST.DB file that is used to boot other code has MS Code in it). You can possibly tell someone how to modify there code but you can not supply them with a modified copy.


Now I would agree that the PBL is not illegal nor can you control the fashion that it is used. I am also in no way cracking or slandering the Phoenix team. There projects and code are wonderful. Keep up the good work and hope that the phoenix team has a wonderful holiday and the best with there lifes.

But the point is you can not simply take "Windows" (in the pc explination you gave), decompile / reverse engineer / rewrite to your liking. You in no way have the right to do that. You have the right to use the software as given to you originally in the fashion it was designed.

Wooger

[Wooger]

Sorry forgot to put this at the bottom....


I was never saying that PBL was illegal. I was asking how it was legal to boot the PBL?

Exploits aren't.... so what other methods would the Phoenix team recommend?

Wooger

[Artifex]

Originally posted by Wooger
To begin with all this is subject to the license agreement set forth by the original developer.


I'm sure you realize, of course, that contract can never supercede law. I'm sure you also realize, of course, that the MS License Agreement is not even contract.


But..


But....



Last I checked microsoft created not only the console but the "XBoxOS" as you stated and though I am not microsoft I highly doubt that microsoft would decide when the software was created to let you run anything that would "exploit" the software. [Though it is there own stupidity to have such exploits]


Ahh, but they have no RIGHT to decide what you do with it, once they've given (/sold) you rights to it.



What you describe here you appear to be looking at the hardware base of things. Which is fine except.
You and I both know this is not true. You can not modify the code how you see fit. You can not simply decompile windows and "change" its code to your liking.


Hardware? I never said anything about hardware. Perhaps you should re-read my post, as I spoke only about modifying windows, replacing windows, and modifying the xbox OS.

As for your statement that "you can not simple decompile windows and 'change' its code to your liking," sure you can. If you are given or purchase rights to a cd, and decide that you do not like the pitch of a certain section of a certain song, you are certainly aloud to modify the audio being reproduced from the stream of data being read from the cd, in order to adjust it to your liking. If you purchase a book, and wish to re-write the ending to more suit your tastes, how is this in violation of anyones copyright?

Of course we both acknowledge that redistribtuing that modified cd or book would be illegal, which is REALLY the issue in Drober's case.


Also you can without a doubt transfer that copy of Windows included with your pc to another individual as long as the transferee takes sole ownership of the software and you forfit all rights to it.


No you can't. Have you been given authorization by the holder of the copyright to resell? If so, then sure. If not? You're stuck with it, you can't sell it.


You can infact give the "CD" of windows to anyone you want. The media means nothing and never will. So for the pc i just purchased you can have the cd and hold it for me.


Unfortunatly, the copyrighted work goes along with the cd. Sure, you could physically remove the work from the medium, and then redistribute the medium, but that's neither what you're proposing, nor very worthwhile.


Once again the code is copywrited.


I'm sure you mean "Copyrighted."


You can not simply re-write the code without written permission from the owner/creator of the copywritten software.


You seem to be repeating yourself, so, I suppose I'll follow suit.

Once you are given rights to a copy of the work, that copy is YOURS to do with as you see fit.

In fact, COPYRIGHT has nothing to do with THAT.

"Copy right" is just that. "Who has the right to duplicate and/or redistribute this creative work."


And you can not without a doubt re-destribute the "changed" code if you ever did change anything to your liking. Which leads me to another point. If even you could rewrite the code to fit your liking as you state you can not re-distribute any modified code which you have modified due to the fact it includes copywritten material.


Of course. Obviously.

However, this is exactly what Drober is doing.

This is also something that PBL does none of.

I'm still failing to see the problem.


Thus making any distibuted "exploit" illegal because it includes copywritten material (such as the audio exploit, the ST.DB file that is used to boot other code has MS Code in it). You can possibly tell someone how to modify there code but you can not supply them with a modified copy.


I don't know of a single publicly release exploit that contains ANY stolen copyrighted code. I have disassembled all 4 exploits (007, MA, ST.DB, Fonts) myself, and the code is extremely simple and straightforward. Although the ideas used in the exploit code do, in some small cases, come from other peices of copyrighted work, the code is original.

(And using ideas and concepts from copyrighted work, is, of course, quite legal. See chapter 1, sec 102)


Now I would agree that the PBL is not illegal nor can you control the fashion that it is used. I am also in no way cracking or slandering the Phoenix team. There projects and code are wonderful. Keep up the good work and hope that the phoenix team has a wonderful holiday and the best with there lifes.


Wait...


But the point is you can not simply take "Windows"


Wait wait wait... that wasnt your original point at ALL!

You started out saying "YOU CANT USE PBL LEGALLY" and now you're saying "You can't modify Windows." I'm afraid I don't see the connection.

By the by... You modify the Windows operating system all the time, and usually dont even realize it.

Install any drivers lately?


(in the pc explination you gave), decompile / reverse engineer / rewrite to your liking. You in no way have the right to do that.


Repeating yourself again.

Repeating myself, again: Yes you can.


You have the right to use the software as given to you originally in the fashion it was designed.


No, you have the right to use the software. Period.

By the by... Microsoft kernels are DESIGNED to be able to be booted from media, without modification. So... even if your statement is true, you have the right to mediaboot a bios.

Also, the XboxOS was designed to run signed xbes. Via an "exploit" the XboxOS can be made to run against different signatures. These "exploits" do not modify XboxOS itself, only the signature key it uses to verify signatures, allowing you to sign and execute your own xbes.

So it would seem that even if this "summation" statement is true, your claims against PBL are not.

Regardless of all of this, Drober is still in violation of VARIOUS laws, copyright being only one of them.

As such, I'm sure you'll agree with me that we should report his site to the proper authorities?


Wooger

--Artifex

[Wooger]

Original post states:


Now not to keep beating a dead dog but how again do you load the PBL LEGALLY ?

Plus Im sure microsoft has "blessed" your software?

Or would you guys be willing to stand in court against a legal case against not only you but the "group" that is associated with it.

I would agree that hosting XDK stuff may not be the smartest idear in the world but Im still willing to bet if microsoft was really concerned about software piracy they might ask you guys to stop. Granted Im sure how you look at it the software may be "legal" but the process involved when individuals boot the PBL "may" not be.

It saddens me when individuals or groups look at one side of there software but neglect to look the other way, just kind of ignoring the fact that the majority of individuals using it are infact using it "ILLEGALLY"


In it I not once say PBL is illegal just the manor in which PBL is being used in most cases. They use it to boot "illegal" material. You stated that yourself. I have not once stated your software is "illegal". You wrote it. Its yours.

The original question though still stands. How do you legally boot PBL? What does the Phoenix team recommend?

Man its like pulling teeth getting you guys to answere this simple question.

Wooger

P.S.

Also you can without a doubt transfer that copy of Windows included with your pc to another individual as long as the transferee takes sole ownership of the software and you forfit all rights to it.

Yes this can be done. Keeping in mind it is the original code / media. Reselling was never stated in this statement nor was implyed but you can infact resell the software. Nothing stops me from selling the copy of Microsoft Windows 98 that came with my pc to you as long as that software is removed from my pc and I do not retain any additional copies of it.

[catfish]

What's the issue here? PBl or the BIOS to be loaded?

Team Phoenix has no control over what u choose to load, that choice is yours.
To avoid legal issues, individualy hack each BIOS from each Xbox u plan to use PBL with. It is not the BIOS that's illegal, it's the redistribution of said BIOS to unauthorised recipients.

As for the Win98 analogy, you're almost correct...
Win98, along with all other versions, require the transfer of the EULA (serial #/CD-key). It is not legal to tranfer the licence without it. The media itself can be distributed freely, in any form you see fit.
Call M$, ask them how much it would cost to obtain just a licence without media. Then ask them if it's legal for u to just purchase a licence and then make a CD-R from a friend's disk. You do not purchase software, u purchase the right to use it.
Even M$ understands that consumer rights superceed their EULA. Read the disks closely, they say "Do not make illegal copies of this disk".... If u don't have a licence to use it, it's illegal. They also use the word "Unauthorised" to restrict certain actions. Depending on where u live, some actions are permitted and u are "authorised" to perform them.

If u still have questions about "legality", maybe a lawyer could answer your questions better than I...

[Mordenkainen]

And he clearly states that all the exploits use NO MS code. I can attest to this.

They do not use the XDK or anything close to it.

So the answer to your question is:

1. Audio Exploit.
2. Gamesave exploits.
3. Font exploits.
4. Modchip with a hacked BIOS (If you made that BIOS yourself)

Morden.

[Artifex]

Mordenkainen, catfish.... glad to see that there are still some of us out there with some common sense. ;)

I've never understood why bios-modding groups work the way they do.... releasing full, modified bioses illegally, instead of individual, "clean," and "copyright-infringement free" patches.

Just easier on the end user, I suppose.... but at what cost?

--A

[nerosis]

here is the noob question of the day... I just picked up an x-box for myself (finally) in the form of the holiday bundle. Can anyone tell me if any of the exploits have been used successfully on whatever version it is I just bought? Or maybe even how to identify which version I have... that would be a start...

[ddaddy]

If its got a date of september or onwards, then the chances are that you cant use pbl with it. You can still use evox but you will have to sign all your games in order to play them.

[nerosis]

Thanks for the headsup on PBL... should I still be able to use the standard mechassault or 007 tricks to get evox installed?

[ddaddy]

As long as you havnt got pbl in your gamesave. Some packages around load pbl and some jsut load evox.

[nerosis]

Thanks for the advice... I'll post my results as soon as I get around to doing the install... What is my best route for signing the game files? Sorry for all the basic questions but I find it hard to figure out which information in the forums will be acurate for my xbox...

[nerosis]

ok... the x-box i have was manufactured july 21, 2003 so am I correct in thinking that I may be able to run PBL? The box reads K 1.00.5101.01 and D 1.00.4920.01... any help is as always apreciated.

[ddaddy]

pbl should work fine for you.