'Sony Just Copies Us' Says Nintendo

[Zeus]

During a recent interview, Nintendo UK boss David Yarnton, was quoted as saying that ''we know Sony have had a lot of issues with their rumble feature and they’ve had to withdraw it – because they didn’t innovate, they copied.''

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Referring to PS3's controller, he said, "I’d love to dig up some old Phil Harrison comments and say ‘hang on a second – six months ago when we launched our controller you said one thing, and now why are you doing this? I don’t know what their decision making process is but I think if you look back, any innovation that has come in gameplay has come from us.

"Historically we’re always developing new things. We know Sony have had a lot of issues with their rumble feature and they’ve had to withdraw it – because they didn’t innovate, they copied. With Nintendo, I’m trying to think of anything we’ve copied... but I can’t."


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[mksoftware]

Pfff ... if Sony copied from Nintendo, Nintendo copied from Microsoft and there Sidewinder Gamepad years ago...

[Jarua]

Pfff ... if Sony copied from Nintendo, Ninteod copied from Microsoft and there Sidewinder Gamepad years ago...

Yeah mksoftware - it's obvious that Sony had their motion control technology in development for a *long* time before Nintendo announced their controller.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the Warhawk team only got their hands on it a week before E3. </sarcasm>

:rolleyes:

[thePANICHIOteam]

lets be honest its only a motor that shakes the controller a bit. Its something an infant could come up with. Maybe these Nintendo guys should think of an example that Sony has "copied" that is real ground breaking innovation and really takes us forward in next generation gaming. hmmm cant think of a good one Nintendo? didnt think so!

Its obvious the wii and PS3 were designed with completely different ideas in mind. The wii went for gameplay with their new controller at a reasonable price, while PS3 went for a more technical approach with a truly powerful system. Its a bit embarrissing for grown men to be engaged in this childish "you copied me" banter. I find it really unprofessional, leave it to the public to decide!

Oh and im sure if Nintendo really believed anything had been "copied" they would have their lawyers on the case in no time, and they would be well within their rights.

[Khar00f]

lets be honest its only a motor that shakes the controller a bit. Its something an infant could come up with. Maybe these Nintendo guys should think of an example that Sony has "copied" that is real ground breaking innovation and really takes us forward in next generation gaming. hmmm cant think of a good one Nintendo?

you know a lot of inventions/innovations once out we go to say, "anybody could've come up with that" yeah the point is THEY DID, anybody could've thought it up but DIDN'T. nintendo started the rumble features in controllers you want another "ground breaking innovation"? how bout the analogue stick on the controller. Nintendo was the first with the N64, if you don't consider that to be ground breaking then i give up.

Edit: copying something doesn't automatically mean your infriging anything, mainly in this case because sony is using a diff. tech. to achieve a close effect to what Wii is doing. Nintendo's sensor bar is gonna sit under or over the TV (wherever ou feel like putting) while sony's is embedded in the cotroller, and i bet the that's why they removed the rumble, cause it hasen't been really fully thought up and just slapped together that the rumble is interfering with their tilt sensor.

[Retroboy]

if were talking copying, then nintendo copied sony by making the GC cd compatibility, as nintendo whent to sony to make the next console and sony wanted to go cd and nintendo didnt so they split and nintendo made the n64 and sony made the psx.

nintendo are doing theyre best to make the ps3 look bad, like the Wii can even compare to the ps3, notice how microsoft havent been blamed for using the rumble???

this is just pathetic nobody cares.

[whackawookie]

if were talking copying, then nintendo copied sony by making the GC cd compatibility, as nintendo whent to sony to make the next console and sony wanted to go cd and nintendo didnt so they split and nintendo made the n64 and sony made the psx.

nintendo are doing theyre best to make the ps3 look bad, like the Wii can even compare to the ps3, notice how microsoft havent been blamed for using the rumble???

this is just pathetic nobody cares.

actually if you wanna get technical sony copied off turbo grafx 16 as they were the first to offer cd based gaming

[thePANICHIOteam]

Ahh well whatever we say, Nintendo are spending alot of time telling us how terrible the PS3 is!

Oh and i dont think you can compare the innovation of a motor in a controller to the electronics thats inside the PS3.

The wii is a skinny little nerd with some fancy new trainers, but its still gonna get its lunchmoney stolen by the big powerful bully the PS3. :eek: ohh apart from in Asia, the wii has friends in high places there so dont mess.:) If im wrong i'll eat marmite!:eek:

[SONIC]

Ah how I love the stupidity of the forum posters here, you all crack me up :D
PS3 fanboys, go jack off somewhere else!
For you other people, don't feed the trolls ;)

[whackawookie]

i want the wii to succeed, more games for me. The fact that there making some ds games for the wii is a great idea. Trauma center is one of the funnest games and now ill be able to play it on my big screen tv, can't argue with that.

[Retroboy]

i want the wii to succeed, more games for me. The fact that there making some ds games for the wii is a great idea. Trauma center is one of the funnest games and now ill be able to play it on my big screen tv, can't argue with that.

Making ds games for the Wii, is just a money scamm, having to pay for a game twice, nintendo should just make a ds adaptor like they did a gba for the gc.

its like when the ds came out loads of people who made gba games simply ported the same game to the ds and that is a waste of money especially when the ds plays gba games.

[msanchez]

Now let's all be fair Nintendo does come up with the most innovations. While that might be true the thing is that other companies "borrow" their ideas and make them better. Ok let's see the things Nintendo has come up with, and feel free to correct me on the ones that I'm wrong as I'm not claiming to know everything. I'm just trying to remember. We had the 4-Player adapter (although if remember correctly, one of the Atari machines already had 4 controller ports on it), that running pad thing for the olimpic games game, I don't remember the name (that one was FUUUUN), we had the most hyped about controller EVER the "Power Glove" funny nobody's tried to revive this... well mayb it's the fact that it sucked so much. On a positive note, Freddy used one in one of the movies, that was funny. Of course the rumble pad, and the analog stick. Could someone a bit more knowledgeable tell me if they also came up with the "light guns"? oh and didn't they copy the shoulder buttons from the genesis?

[thePANICHIOteam]

Ah how I love the stupidity of the forum posters here, you all crack me up :D
PS3 fanboys, go jack off somewhere else!
For you other people, don't feed the trolls ;)

Dont be such a muppet! "Jack off" "feed the trolls" what are you on about?

Instead of using the forum as a means to insult others and make yourself feel better, maybe you should try and leave a relevant comment on the subject.

There is no right or wrong answer yet with regards to the success of these consoles, noone knows what will happen even analysts are having a hard time putting their money where their mouth is. However clearly you know somthing they dont!!

Forums are here to discuss things and im looking at this thread SONIC and you have one post telling everyone about their "stupidity" on the subject. Maybe you would care to elaborate with a clear argument. However dont just sit their and insult people that have the guts to say what they think, even at the risk of it being totally wrong.

[whackawookie]

Making ds games for the Wii, is just a money scamm, having to pay for a game twice, nintendo should just make a ds adaptor like they did a gba for the gc.

its like when the ds came out loads of people who made gba games simply ported the same game to the ds and that is a waste of money especially when the ds plays gba games.

isn't that the same as the psp and the ps2? Nintendo are quite innovative but there not the first to the punch all the time. Turbo grafx although out of the box only took one controller but when the multiport was bought you got 5controllers. Nintendo first to offer triggers on the controller (or so i remember), first light gun, first mat, first system to appear in a fred savage movie. There are some bad things too on there end, first robot (gyromite), first glove, first system that required people with good lung capacity to play dirty games.

[dreary79]

Pfff ... if Sony copied from Nintendo, Nintendo copied from Microsoft and there Sidewinder Gamepad years ago...

What a bunch of malarkey... Nintendo didn't copy Microsoft. The 360 doesn't have any type of motion detection. And don't say that they copied it from the Sidewinder, the sidewinder is a copy of a ton of different companies that may not have put out controllers, but put out devices that were controlled my motion. If Nintendo copied the Microsoft, then Microsoft would have already had motion detection in the 360.

To be honest no one has copied anyone with their motion detection. And if they did they will be sued.

What was copied by Sony, and it was copied, was the idea of having motion detection. You can't argue that. The PS3 wouldn't have had it if Nintendo didn't. The idea was copied.

By the way... that Sidewinder controller by Microsoft was a joke. All all three of you who owned one know it. It failed and everyone forgot about it, including Nintendo.

[douglasking]

"Rumble" is much more than a motor with a weight on it in a controller. There is quite of supporting software written to effectively use the "rumble" feature. Duration, increasing intensity, decreating intensity, intensity, pulsing, etc. Plus designing the motor, weight, and extra voltage to supply the motor.

Once that is all squared away, it's up to the software developers (game developers) to use it effectively and script it into their game.

Everyone (and company for this matter) is influenced by other folks. That's a fact of life.

Historically, Nintendo is quite an innovative company. Gameboy, Virtual Boy, Power Glove, Game & Watch, reviving the dead home video game market, etc...

Sony on the other hand (the company as a whole) is also a very innovative company. Walkman, that dog thingy, and hundreds of other things I don't care to look up.

This Nintendo exec guy is being paid to generate positive hype for the Wii.

However, I was always told "never bash the competition, it just makes you look bad."

Take that as you will.

[dreary79]

"Rumble" is much more than a motor with a weight on it in a controller. There is quite of supporting software written to effectively use the "rumble" feature. Duration, increasing intensity, decreating intensity, intensity, pulsing, etc. Plus designing the motor, weight, and extra voltage to supply the motor.

Once that is all squared away, it's up to the software developers (game developers) to use it effectively and script it into their game....

This Nintendo exec guy is being paid to generate positive hype for the Wii.

However, I was always told "never bash the competition, it just makes you look bad."

Take that as you will.
Have you paid attention at all? Sony said themselves that the motion detection makes rumble not possible. That's what the Nintendo guy was getting at... The Wiimote has rumble and motion.

[douglasking]

Have you paid attention at all? Sony said themselves that the motion detection makes rumble not possible. That's what the Nintendo guy was getting at... The Wiimote has rumble and motion.

The name of this news post ('Sony Just Copies Us' Says Nintendo ) and this thread is about Nintendo saying that Sony copied Nintendo. Have YOU paid attention at all?

If Sony isn't including "rumble" due to the gyroscopic detection then they aren't exactly copying the Wii's controller, now are they?

[Azariel Z]

Sony is a copycat with a logo trademark to feed "wanna be cool and fancy problematic and repressed teenagers ", but at the same time they do good thigns as well, but remember the games make the console, i want to see which games "sony" is doing ..., if couldnt be the background behind sony ..story could be different.
Nintendo can't beat Sony as a whole company, they can't marketing their product to match your TV, your Mp3, your SonyPod, your Dog, , but they will need to share the market with Sony, and is a good thing, more choice..
People should remember Nintendo started as a Toy company, on the console world they built bases along with others that stayed along the way. Sony jsut collected the results adn copy here and, put the logo and Pronto, but as they come, maybe one day they would consider leave the market adn focuse on anotehr branchs. Nobody know sthe future, adn about Wii, thigns looks very ncie to Wii, even Sony Fanboys msut agree, someone would need to reconsider sarcasms, as they did with DS..

[dreary79]

The name of this news post ('Sony Just Copies Us' Says Nintendo ) and this thread is about Nintendo saying that Sony copied Nintendo. Have YOU paid attention at all?

If Sony isn't including "rumble" due to the gyroscopic detection then they aren't exactly copying the Wii's controller, now are they?

Read my post... You're making me angry. This is what I said QUOTE:
To be honest no one has copied anyone with their motion detection. And if they did they will be sued.

What was copied by Sony, and it was copied, was the idea of having motion detection. You can't argue that. The PS3 wouldn't have had it if Nintendo didn't. The idea was copied.You need to read my posts and pay attention to my posts before you post against me. ok?

[opium]

This is sad, companies have gone to the lowest level possible, politics. Often when I see an artical it's "console a is bad says company of consol b", etc. I can only say one thing, both are wrong.

Sony, shouldn't even look at nintendo, it's pointless. The markets are totally different.

Nintendo needs to stop babbling about a controler and make a few nonmario games that would appeal to kids over 5 years old. Nintendo doesn't steal ideas it on occasion comes up with a new one for a console and recycles game ideas(mario party 8, in another 10 years we'll have a double digit mario party/land.)

This is outright shamefull

[whorse]

This is sad, companies have gone to the lowest level possible, politics. Often when I see an artical it's "console a is bad says company of consol b", etc. I can only say one thing, both are wrong.

Sony, shouldn't even look at nintendo, it's pointless. The markets are totally different.

Nintendo needs to stop babbling about a controler and make a few nonmario games that would appeal to kids over 5 years old. Nintendo doesn't steal ideas it on occasion comes up with a new one for a console and recycles game ideas(mario party 8, in another 10 years we'll have a double digit mario party/land.)

This is outright shamefull

yeah, as if you wont have a double digit tekken, crash, wipeout, final fantasy (3 digits) and gt on ps3... come on, all companies rely on succesful franchises. I just prefer companies that make their OWN games too. Which is what sony DOES NOT.

[DaddyLongLegs]

Making ds games for the Wii, is just a money scamm, its like when the ds came out loads of people who made gba games simply ported the same game to the ds and that is a waste of money especially when the ds plays gba games.

Name one, and I mean one, game that came out for the GBA first then got ported to the DS. ONE!!

When will you realize there isn't a single solitary person who bothers paying attention to a thing you say here? Aren't you the same tard that said you can't stand DS because New Super Mario Bros. makes you use the touch pad to control Mario? You flat out friggin lie to make your points!!

EVERYBODY was laughing when Sony revealed the controller's tilt sensor at E3. EVERYBODY. If that isn't blatant proof they bamboozled Nintendo's idea, even if simply just to say "we have that too!", I don't know what is.

[Sepioth]

Must say this is an interesting thread ... did anybody fully read the quote from Nintendo? Everyone here seems to be mislead by it and all they see is Sony bashing.

Let's face it they copied Sony ... Nintendo reveals details of how the Wiimote is a motion sensing controller. Next thing you know the Batarang controller is scrapped and out comes a PS/PS2 controller with motion sensing ... but in the rush to do this they didn't put into consideration as to what a rumble feature would do to a motion sensor and scrapped rumble in the last minute. Now do you actually think that if Sony has been working on this for all this time they would have removed rumble from the controller or spent some money on some R&D to get it in there as well. Seems to me that a last minute idea (stolen from Nintendo) didn't work out to well.

Sony dodn't even show off the motion sensing as far as I know yet. There are no games announced that are using it. So again if this is a feature they have been planning for a while now it sure as hell doesn't show.

Not every idea takes of in the video game world (even for nintendo) but nintendo sure as hell gives it a try with innovation. And everyone seems to follow there lead.

Retroboy
You need to just be quiet. Everything you say is just bunch of nonsense. You say Nintendo copied Sony with CD capable consoles ??? CD capable consoles was just progression. Making LARGE games on cartriges is just to costly. Therefor nintendo went with it in their next system ... thats not copying thtas progression. Ohh .... by the way the Cube used Mini DVD format not CD.

Also On making DS games for the Wii ... NAME ONE .... JUST 1 and I won't ever bother you here again.

[Reset]

Nintendo has innovated, but hey ATARI made the first home console and game. Nintendo started off as a card game company and also had some pachinko machines maybe I think. But really I dont care about copying good ideas.

Stop comparing the wii to sonys and the sidewinder controller. They all have different abililitys. Nintendos controlellers know the point ur controllers is realatvive to the screen (thats why it has a sensor by the TV) sonys controllers only senses movement in general, not in relation to a certain area.

Nintendo did bring us the platformer, 3d platformer, and lots of other innovations to gameplay as well as, Sony has brought an arcade experiance home. Nintendos machines have always been a sub arcade experiance.

What they bring is different, but both good and fun for gamers.

who copys more though, who cares. Just copy the good ieas not the bad ones. plus anyone who beleives sony removed rumble so they can have motion is a fanboy who believes whatever there precious company tells them. They removed it because they think there to big to pay immersion royaltys. If they were smart they would of bought part of immersion like Microsoft did and make money from the techonology rather than abandone it.

A 2 year old could of thought of rumble, maybe. but who made it first was Nintendo and who made it standard first was actually Sony I think. It was an addon in every system b4 the dual shock controller. Making innovations standard is part of innovating. whats ironic is sony is now the first to remove a standard feature that they decided neeeded to be a standard 8 years ago. what happened to standards.

Sony made the I cam (web cam with vidoe game usage), and MS is copying that. So none are without copying. If I wanted to make an original car today, it would still have a steering wheel. Some things are standard for a reason.

and lastley I love nintendo, but some of there innovations that hit retail never left the basement floor if u know what I mean.

Edit: nintendo copied ataris cartridges if u want to get tecnichally stupid with it. Atari innovated games on tv at home. So everyone copyed them, who cares. I just hope nobody copies sonys price reasoning.

This debate about cd's, u all know we wouldnt have a psx if it wasnt for nintendo staying with cartridges. It was all a buisness deal gone wrong. Sony was gonna make an addon for snes that played cd games, eventually manufature the cd players for nintendo (sony would have been happy with that). When nintendo dropped the project sony got hurt and vowed to kick there ass with there own console. This has been good for us though cause sony made power important and Nintendo got the punch in the mouth every geek needs (they are a smarter more humble company now). maybe sega CD scared them from the deal. but did they copy cd's no, they decided to use the industry standard which they tryd to hold off from for a good while. and actually no nintendo system plays cd games, wii will use dvd's but none actually used cd's to be technical

[DaddyLongLegs]

Thanks for your well thought out post Reset (I am being serious) but the only thing here is I believe people are saying Sony ripped off Nintendo, not simply because they saw a great idea and implimented it, but because they pretty blatantly just ripped it off. Sony added the sensoring last second, and NO game programmers even knew about it, so no games will impliment it. It was totally blatant. I never thought of the Dual Shock as copying Nintendo with rumble, because like you said, it was a standard and pretty cool (though I personally hate rumble and turn it off whenever possible). The reason everyone is saying Sony copied Nintendo was because within a matter of weeks they added the thing onto their system. It was totally blatant and didn't help out the PS3 at all overall.

[son_goku]

the only thing I can say is...
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[WickedSkin]

Wii will be the real Next-Gen console.

But I don't like Micro$oft, they take ideas from the little guys, build them into their OS and make people pay for it. They rub Intel's and Dells backs as soon as they can to make people pay more money. M$ has a monopoly in the computer world that I don't like. M$ never came up with something new, still, they get cred for being "innovative".

A simple thing like Multi-tasking did M$ take from Linux. Linux is free and open-sourced, therefor, it was not stealing. But M$ makes you pay for it! And BIG money.

What did they invent with their console? Their Live! function? But online play from console already existed. Did they come up with anything else for them selves? No! Not even online play was theirs. And with the rest of their stuff? They ripped of $ony that ripped of NINTENDO!

Do anybody blame M$ like this? No way man... Why?

I'd like to see that it goes well for $ony rather then M$. M$ bashes, spreads rumors, good for busines but not very nice. $ony doesn't shittalk like M$, but they still lead the market, and they will be way to comfy with themselfes to be trusted.

Nintendo always gives us good innovative stuff, and the only innovative stuff we can see in a console today. And don't forget the lots and lots of hours of great gameplay from games such as Super Mario, Legend of Zelda, Metroid Prime and so forth.

[douglasking]

the only thing I can say is...
http://sv1.letmehost.com/sv1/17/c0bf7b969af1100e7ba316581015.jpg

Gratz on front page!

[whackawookie]

im sorry wickedsin but i gotta disagree. Sony talks the most crap out of any of the systems. Its obvious you got a bone to pick with MS but be a little realistic. Microsoft offered and still offers the most compatible way to play pc games ever since dos. You hate MS but developers sure don't, linux and apple don't have the gaming support windows does. Online gaming for consoles was never a success until xbox. Dreamcast offered a couple of games online but so few that the broadband adapter was very hard to get and people were left with dial-up. Gamecube offered the adapter for online play but never a service. Playstation doesn't have an online service just a way to play games online. Is MS a monopoly, absolutely - theres no way anybody can argue that, but that doesn't mean they make bad products. Hell sony makes pc components for windows, sony appearantly isn't blinded by the monopoly

[WickedSkin]

im sorry wickedsin but i gotta disagree. Sony talks the most crap out of any of the systems. Its obvious you got a bone to pick with MS but be a little realistic. Microsoft offered and still offers the most compatible way to play pc games ever since dos. You hate MS but developers sure don't, linux and apple don't have the gaming support windows does. Online gaming for consoles was never a success until xbox. Dreamcast offered a couple of games online but so few that the broadband adapter was very hard to get and people were left with dial-up. Gamecube offered the adapter for online play but never a service. Playstation doesn't have an online service just a way to play games online. Is MS a monopoly, absolutely - theres no way anybody can argue that, but that doesn't mean they make bad products. Hell sony makes pc components for windows, sony appearantly isn't blinded by the monopoly

$ony mostly talks crap about it's own machine from what I can see. Sure they do, I can't argue with that. But still, devs could make games for other OS's to. But they don't, why? Cuz' almost every (if not every) house in the world that has a comp, has a PC, and what do they run? Windows! And they run Windows because M$ made it that way through great advertising and forcing. If you get a pre-built comp, it runs Windows. If every house runs Windows? Witch OS do you think devs creat games for? Windows. If you can program, nothing is better then Linux. My brother used to program for M$, Ericson, Nokia and now he programs for some German company and teaches some kind of programing. He helps me with a comp, witch runs Linux, and I can run alot of games on it (like BF2, Oblivion and others). I realy don't have any idea what hes done to it, but the games even runs better on it. I can install drivers just fine to. You can run games just fine on SUSE (some Linux OS). You can run Linx on anything! Even Freezer and coffee machines sometimes runs Linux. And if you wan't something professional, go for Apple, WAY better preformance then any PC. I never used my Xbox1 for online gaming, same with my PS2, but I had some great times anyways.

I'm floating away here, my point was, M$ has never done something innovative but still gets creds for being innovative. And people never seem blame them like they blame other companies for ripping stuff of. The only company blinded by monopoly and keeping it is M$. I just got myself a 360 again (witch luckely runs better then the old one) so I'm not "blinded" by any monopoly. And 360 is the only console I played a little online, but just during that "test" period. I didn't get more Live! after that, right then it wasn't worth it. I still think Wii will be the only console with some new ideas going.

X360 is still (right now) the console with the best preformance and the console with most potential. But what says $onys PS3 won't have the same, or even better, potential? I think it's just to much judging going on to far ahead of it's release.

I'm sorry for floating away so much btw.

[Reset]

Hey, not a fanboy but reading the posts I thought of one innovation microsoft brought console games. Xbox had the first built in hard drive.

Thats actually a pretty good one. To bad they didn't keep it standard.

I think whookie was referring to the fact that microsoft made directX, and the pc gaming world got a lot of cool games from xbox do to the fact that it uses pc parts (obviously) which made for easy porting and a little extra revenue. One of the reasons Microsoft made a console was to push directX. by making a console that uses directX successfull, they automatically make directX for windows a success. This basically brings high quaility games to windows. Microsoft knows that by keeping high end games in windows keeps windows as the priority OS in high-end PC's systems (which makes it the priority OS for nearley every PC).

But the Fact is DirectX has turned into a really good thing. And dare I say it A Major Innovation. even sony games and probly nintendo will be using directX technology.

[WickedSkin]

Hey, not a fanboy but reading the posts I thought of one innovation microsoft brought console games. Xbox had the first built in hard drive.

Thats actually a pretty good one. To bad they didn't keep it standard.

I think whookie was referring to the fact that microsoft made directX, and the pc gaming world got a lot of cool games from xbox do to the fact that it uses pc parts (obviously) which made for easy porting and a little extra revenue. One of the reasons Microsoft made a console was to push directX. by making a console that uses directX successfull, they automatically make directX for windows a success. This basically brings high quaility games to windows. Microsoft knows that by keeping high end games in windows keeps windows as the priority OS in high-end PC's systems (which makes it the priority OS for nearley every PC).

But the Fact is DirectX has turned into a really good thing. And dare I say it A Major Innovation. even sony games and probly nintendo will be using directX technology.


They were not first with HDDs in consoles.

Ok DirectX is turning into to good invention.

And the electronic market will stay under M$ control for ever and ever. And I still hate the fact that the consumer is locked into M$ specified solutions.

[whackawookie]

They were not first with HDDs in consoles.

Ok DirectX is turning into to good invention.

And the electronic market will stay under M$ control for ever and ever. And I still hate the fact that the consumer is locked into M$ specified solutions.

going back i can't think of another console with a hdd, if im mistaken please let me know, im always interested in learning more stuff

[WickedSkin]

going back i can't think of another console with a hdd, if im mistaken please let me know, im always interested in learning more stuff

Xbox was the first console with a built in HDD (that know of), but not the first console that could be used with a HDD. Don't know exactly wich console was the first with HDDs, but the PS2 could use HDDs right?

[whackawookie]

Xbox was the first console with a built in HDD (that know of), but not the first console that could be used with a HDD. Don't know exactly wich console was the first with HDDs, but the PS2 could use HDDs right?

pretty sure the ps2 slot was just an expansion slot until final fantasy came out which finally used the slot for hdd but i could be wrong because i wasnt interested in the network adapter so i honestly dont know

[WickedSkin]

pretty sure the ps2 slot was just an expansion slot until final fantasy came out which finally used the slot for hdd but i could be wrong because i wasnt interested in the network adapter so i honestly dont know

Nah, if you had the network adapter you could use that slot with an hdd. It could be used as the xbox hdd when you had a chip. Dunno so much either, but you could use it.

[Reset]

Well I did say Built in hard drive, and they were the first so I dont know why u said no. Anyway maybe u could say commadore64 (maybe u could use hard drives with that) but it was a pc. U name the console ur thinking of, than u can say they werent first. im not talking about mods. the ps2 hard drive came out after xbox. and with the slim ps2 there was no official ps2 hard drive. you need to have a network card just to use the offical hard drive, which xbox was also the first to make standard to think of it (eth0).
u need a special case or kit to use a hard drive with the slim model. not to mention ur ps2 has to be modded in some way to use the hard drive for anything besides the final fantasy game it was made for. Sony used it as more of a gimmick. the modders made some good use of it though :P

[Retroboy]

isn't that the same as the psp and the ps2?

no its not, the ps2 cannot play psp games, if the ps3 can i hope its via a umd drive not simply porting the same game to a disc playable in the console (Wii).

to everyone else.

Nintendo's attitude towards sony saying "You Copied Us" is utter bollocks, if thats the case "Nintendo sue me".

The fact is they cant, theyre just making nintendo fans go "Ahh yea thats true" and it will sway them into another nintendo only world.

yes the Wii looks fun, but paying 30quid for a game that simply looks like the xbox or gamecube is a ripp off.

And maybe so nintendo was the first to use analouge, but nintendo never invented it, analouges were used on arcade machines years ago, what do you think a joy stick was????? ohhh and the round balls you could use to control.

thing is people who only beleive whats fed to them will make all sorts of allogations agains others, but all sony have done is improve the n64 analouge which i found sometimes got slack, and the ps2 didnt.

As for rumble well nintendo copied of a dildo:D man i did use my n64 rumble pack before on my girlfriend, but again sony improved it by adding it into the controller, which the n64 was daft, having to swap your rumble with your memory card untill a 3rd party made a combi.

so nintendo arent so great after all, personally there peak was the n64, since then theyve been making you pay for crap.

GBA (1st one)
GBA (Tribla desing)
GBA Mini
DS
DS (Lite)

all of them i bet nintendo fans baught because they beleived it was better, but i see its not, same consoles just smaller.

btw, that pic saying sony stole Golden Eye, WRONG again god, sony have nothing to do with it, EA bought the rights to James Bond because your beloved nintendo had to sell Rare, so please stop blaming sony for things they havent done:rolleyes:

Why not start blaming Microsoft aswell, theyve used so called nintendo's inventions, problem is you/nintendo dont because the 360 is out and they know they dont stand a chance in compeating, on the other hand the PS3 isnt so they can keep trying to give it bad press to try and make Wii sound better.

[SONIC]

One question... do you love Sony? :D

[Retroboy]

One question... do you love Sony? :D

NO

obvously you live, eat and **** nintendo 24/7

if you think nintendo actually invented those ideas you are very wrong.

and for your information i own
Dreamcast
n64 (the best thing nintendo have done)
GC
PS2
Xbox
360
psp
ds
PC

im not a console only fan, im in it for the games and ive had every nintendo console and they have lost it now.

they are making YOU pay for a **** console, ok decent graphics but its old technology, and the only thing making it worth while is this remote controller.

again ill ask you and other Nintendo fans, would you think the same if the Wii had only a normal controll pad.

[dreary79]

NO

obvously you live, eat and **** nintendo 24/7

if you think nintendo actually invented those ideas you are very wrong.

and for your information i own
Dreamcast
n64 (the best thing nintendo have done)
GC
PS2
Xbox
360
psp
ds
PC

im not a console only fan, im in it for the games and ive had every nintendo console and they have lost it now.

they are making YOU pay for a **** console, ok decent graphics but its old technology, and the only thing making it worth while is this remote controller.

again ill ask you and other Nintendo fans, would you think the same if the Wii had only a normal controll pad.Your pretty negative there. What did you mean when you said:if you think nintendo actually invented those ideas you are very wrong.

[Retroboy]

Your pretty negative there. What did you mean when you said:

My points are, nintendo are slating sony for saying they copied us, when in fact they never, nintendo never invented those things, arcade machines had them first, nintendo was the fisrt people to put it in a pad (n64) and did it badly how many times i had to replace my n64 pad because it got slack.

and people are telling me i hate nintendo, is not true, i hate the Wii, for the fact is that its got no power at all, i would have loved it back in 2000 but it is not a next gen console and is not worth paying for now.

nintendo are making it sound better than it is by the remote, which isnt that great, how many people do you hear no going on about the DS touch screen, when it was comming out people was like WOW, and now they dont care.

[dreary79]

nintendo are making it sound better than it is by the remote, which isnt that great, how many people do you hear no going on about the DS touch screen, when it was comming out people was like WOW, and now they dont care.

When the DS was announced I thought Nintendo was smoking pot. I thought the touchscreen was the dumbist thing. Most people on the net did too, so did all my friends. Now the NDS is one of the greatest systems of all time. People who don't play video games are buying them. And people like me who have been playing games forever are loving it also.

To be honest I don't think that the PS3, 360 or the Wii is powerfull enough to be called next gen. I think we might have to wait for the next set of consoles to really get the "wow" we are looking for with next gen. If you don't buy a Wii you're going to be missing out on some great games. I don't care about hardware, I care about fun. Right now Nintendo has been showing some very fun looking games.

[SONIC]

My points are, nintendo are slating sony for saying they copied us

So... you work for Sony then?
You let off some steam boy, come on :D

[Retroboy]

When the DS was announced I thought Nintendo was smoking pot. I thought the touchscreen was the dumbist thing. Most people on the net did too, so did all my friends. Now the NDS is one of the greatest systems of all time. People who don't play video games are buying them. And people like me who have been playing games forever are loving it also.

To be honest I don't think that the PS3, 360 or the Wii is powerfull enough to be called next gen. I think we might have to wait for the next set of consoles to really get the "wow" we are looking for with next gen. If you don't buy a Wii you're going to be missing out on some great games. I don't care about hardware, I care about fun. Right now Nintendo has been showing some very fun looking games.

no, ps3 and 360 are next gen, each generation a new powerfuller system is released.

so the next MS console and sony console again will be Next Gen.

SONIC
So... you work for Sony then?
You let off some steam boy, come on
youve obviously proven to me and others that your a fool, you simple dont understand ****.

ill put it simple for you.

i invent something, but i have it in arcade machines (just checking your still with me) nintendo then come along and put it into a pad (so they havent invented it) sony come along and improve the analogue(not stealing it, because if they did theyve taken it from me).

and before you go all stupid i used me as an example, i dont know who made the first arcade machine with the roller ball or joystick, i am not saying i did it.

please try readin what i say before you spit your dummy out.

[dreary79]

no, ps3 and 360 are next gen, each generation a new powerfuller system is released.

so the next MS console and sony console again will be Next Gen.

ok you win... according to your standard for a console to be next gen, "each generation a new powerfuller system is realesed". That would include the Wii as next gen. Thats great, the Wii is next gen and just as powerful as the PS3 and 360. =)

[Azariel Z]

Wii is a next generation consle, yes. But is not a "powerfull" console , on terms of hardware as the X-box 360 or the Ps3. I dont agree, when people say Wii is not generation console, off course it is, since can handle features the prev gen console coudn't.
Is not an old Xbox or a reused Ps2 generation, is a new generation console, also, with the same feetures than X-box and Ps3, normal map, for example and stuff. The difference is around how much triangles and floating point is calculating. X-Box and Ps3 incorporated a HDTV hardware render what increase the Render quality, and require bigger textures some times on the game. not that you wont see a pixelated texture, here and there, or a "perfect" rounded character with a smooth broder all the time.
All the 3 Consoles can handle more polygons and textures , and none of them have something different that stand out like "new" from the others except the HDTV output, even the processor, so called "aegis" processor and Dev kit, in PS3. Is jsut a language, and is not coming inside the machine, is just used to develop the games. Like X-Box, Ps3 wont make any "miracle" mroe than show more polygons and some extra effects. Still is not a raytracing reflective photom quaility render.
On terms of power the Ps3 will be the most, high top processing power, but expenssive, , X-box will be next, and Wii is at the last of the line, with less power but with a dfferent interface ( Controller ) They minimize the cost and made more with less, going for the interactivity point, instead investing on a workstation-like processing logic. Only that.
Wii can't and won't stand side by side with Ps3 or Xbox 360, on terms of graphics , in a HD-TV, but still have the same current features standard for today and the next cycle of games. with less processing power, off course, and so Cheaper, but effective.

[Retroboy]

ok you win... according to your standard for a console to be next gen, "each generation a new powerfuller system is realesed". That would include the Wii as next gen. Thats great, the Wii is next gen and just as powerful as the PS3 and 360. =)

jesus christ.

you cant call something next gen (do you know what next gen means... next generation????) when its using old technology.

[SONIC]

What parts are old tech?
The new controller?
The new CPU?
The new GPU?
Whut?!

[dreary79]

What parts are old tech? All of it.
The new controller? It was stolen from Microsoft
The new CPU? Its made by IBM, IBM is very old
The new GPU? Its made by ATI, ATI have GPU's that are twice as fast
Whut?! Its all old and inexpensive stuff. You're just going to be buying junk.

The gamecube had no good games, it sucked. The Wii will be even worse. Everyone hated the controller at E3. PS3 is totally next gen. Did you see that Metal Gear Solid video? Tell me what system could play a full motion video with that kind of quality?

[Retroboy]

What parts are old tech?
The new controller?
The new CPU?
The new GPU?
Whut?!

no

new controller

old cpu, 2ghz old gpu, nothing in the Wii's console is new technology, it is old technology this is why the Wii is going to be cheap because it will be cheap to make and nintendo can retail it cheap (with some profit to be made).

the only new thing is the controller why do you think nintendo are going on about it, because they cant the console because its nothing spectacular god even my home pc is powerfuller than the Wii.

this is why its not next gen, nothing new inside it just the controller which the controller would be next gen not the console:p

[dreary79]

Retroboy, you contradict yourself all the time. lol The first time you described Next Gen it qualified the Wii. This last time you described Next Gen you eliminated the Wii, 360 and the PS3. I sure am glad that you don't write definitions in the dictionary, people would be so confused.

By the way, who gave Retroboy the right to write the definition for "Next Gen" anyhow?

[Azariel Z]

Console can't be compared to any PC, since console is a dedicated hardware. A you must count CPU processing 4 times more than they process on the console. Hardware compatibility, etc. on the oterh hand at full potential on the console, sure if the developers can make it work.
Maybe Nitendo is going for a short life console instead a "long life" console, which $$$ becomes out of range at the release. You will buy something than on 3 years will be 30% the price, when u can develop an upgrade to it at the same cost and release a "new "version.
I dont see the Wii as a machine for 5 years TOP rated ultra quantum Big-bang simulation, they will (nintendo) do something about the 3 years incoming. By the way the GPU processor on Wii, is not old, ATI made a great work on the GC, the custom ATI on the next-gen Nintendo, I hope comes with the same tradition, like Xbox with the new Nvidia cores. Nice.
Nintendo packed the N64 chip on the NDS, and went very fine..low cost effective machine. Next generation handheld. The things will be similar to wii and Ps3 as they are PSP and NDS. maybe Nitnendo tooc atch some of the "it's Riiiiiiiidge Racer" and top games with " Real time weapon change ", or " no gimmicks" games like using your NDS as a retrovisor, or pulling yugioh cards froma projector :p