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Zeus
03-19-2006, 07:33 PM
A dutch gaming website got the chance to interview the leader behind the Xbox 360 firmware hack, the specialist. Incase you didn't know, The Specialist is a 30 year-old man from the land of Edam cheese, clogs and all things great (Netherlands), and now patriots can add Xbox 360 hacking to that list! He worked with a team of 6 dedicated hackers as well as the contributions from XboxHacker forum members, without them this fate wouldn't have been achieved so fast if at all! The hack was done as a challenge, spurred by Microsoft's statements about the high-security of the console - much more is revealed in the interview so click read-more to check out the main-highlights in English language. Here is a round up of the key points from the interview at <a href="http://www.xlife.nl/article.php?id=15157" target="_blank">xlife.nl</a>

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<center><i>This interview puts the majority of speculation to rest, a really great read and will be sure to fill you in on a thing or two about the Xbox 360 firmware hack headed by the dutch hacker The Specialist.</i></center></a>

Key Points from the Xlife.nl Dutch interview with The Specialist

* The Specialist is 30 years old and is of Dutch origin, his occupation was not revealed in the interview.

* TS and his team began looking at the original Xbox firmware last year, and had a hunch their were similar patterns with the Xbox 360 firmware, there previous work on the original Xbox resulted in knowledge spill-overs with regards to hacking the Xbox 360 firmware.

* They decided to really get stuck into hacking the Xbox 360, after Microsoft reps made statements about how hack-proof the Xbox 360 would be.

* TS and the rest of the contributors motivation was a personal challenge to find the exploits on the Xbox 360 and expore if it really was hack-proof.

* The firmware hack is way beyond the average user as specialist (cool pun eh ?) is required as well as correlating hardware.

* Microsoft can easily halt the firmware hack via as a back-up is much different to original, each and every one is different. To create emulation to allow universal Xbox 360 backups to be run without being detected is out of their scope.

* If other people can manage to replicate the Xbox 360 firmware hack, a cat and mouse game will develop between the hackers and Microsoft live updates. I guess in simiar fashion as to what is going on between Sony firmware updates and homebrew software blocking.

* TS went dived straight into the Xbox 360 firmware when looking for an exploit, he was very knowledgable in this area after the origial Xbox and was confident of finding a weak link in there.

* TS reassures everyone the video is not fake, for example ample look at the outer side of the disc that shows that the security placeholder data is read and if this as a fake in the video he only could fake it with a lot of work and very expensive equipment.

* He has no plans to go hacking any other parts of the Xbox 360, so Microsoft can breathe a sigh of relief over that one :).

* Towards the end of the interview he adds, any game worth playing is a game worth buying. He doesn't want to take the moral high ground, the previous saying was from an old Amiga release group.

* He loves how his country is represented in the Xbox hacker scene, and hopes to see more natives around the scene.

Choppy Translation of the Interview from Xlife.nl

1. Xlife: Proposal you even to the visitors of Xlife.Netherlands (who are you, what does you for work, age etc.).

TheSpecialist:

The age question is frequently most indiscreet, but in this case some which I want answer, complete, I am 30 years.

2. Xlife: With hoevelen you have worked for the hack?

TheSpecialist:

In the team 6 hackers sat. However I do not find that you can state that it only these 6 persons have that this for each other had been got: without all contributions of others on XBH it had never succeeded or had it in any case much had been longer lasted.


3. Xlife: How long have you been effectively busy with the hack on X360?

TheSpecialist:

To say with difficulty how many hours will sit there in its eventually. We its end previous year started with the analysis of the Xbox 1 DVD beveiliging, since still nothing was here nearly confessed concerning. The expectation was, as it happens, that the beveiliging in the Xbox 360 be based on this and a good term of this beveiliging would give probably valuable insights in the beveiliging in the Xbox 360 (what proved be indeed this way). The reason that we with the Xbox 1 have started firstly, were mainly because the kernel were of this simply at rippen and we could retrieve thereby when the Xbox 1 kernel go ' agreed ' with DVD.

4. Xlife: Have you already had contact with Microsoft concerning the hack?

TheSpecialist:

No

5. Xlife: Why decided don't these hack have you make public?

TheSpecialist:

The Xbox 360 were announced Microsoft as if it the best protect console would be in the world and that the hackers scene be surprised by the unprecedented high level of beveiliging. This type statement does the heart of most of the hackers be correct of course more rapidly It seemed me personally an enormous select challenge or the beveiliging REAL this way well was. I think that this motivation applies to nearly all hackers on XBH. Zoeken to beveiligings breaches was therefore the aim an sich. Spreading hack has my inziens do NOTHING with hacken and also never our aim has been.

6. Xlife: Aren't you frightened that you have brought now people on ideën and that tries these now still your imitate hack and public make?

TheSpecialist:

I think first that the hack in current form little will be interesting for the average user, since you have specific hardware and knowledge necessary for the drive at flashen. Furthermore the current hack are easily at patchen by Microsoft, since the backup on several points differs from original and here on gechecked can become. ' impermeable ' emulator, which a backup in ALL possible manners presents exactly the same to the Xbox 360 falls outside our scope and this would will cost also rather much work. However, the possibility that a cat/mouse game will arise, where Microsoft with new patches come exists, hackers these will crack etc. This keeps however in that this way long there no ' impermeable emulator ' is, users of Xbox live for example always risk runs become gebanned and will be obliged if they do not want this risk run, still original buy discs.

7. Xlife: You did right start firmware to the hack of the dvdrom or does have you has been tried still firstly other components of the console at hacken?

TheSpecialist:

No, right with the firmware. The project on XBH appears apart from for example the attempts of the men of free60.

8. Xlife: Is it also possible by means of Xboxlive play with your hack?

TheSpecialist:

At present therefore, however, until Microsoft come with patch.

9. Xlife: What find do you of it that it is speculated on many forums concerning the authenticity of the small film?

TheSpecialist:

The proof sits m. in the hardware details which do not stand on the forum, in the video. Meanwhile the original video gereleased, which makes in any case an end to the speculation of Xbox 360 in the reflection of the TV, is Furthermore I think that if you look at movements well to the laser yourself no longer can claim that it concerns fake. If you a backup in standard Xbox 360 stops, the laser will not move in such a manner (to see for example the movement to the outer edge of the disc, where security placeholder are read dates). Only with complete expensive equipment and much work and costs a video would be such as this at faken.

10 Xlife: Do you intend still further components of X360 at hacken?

TheSpecialist:

At present for that no plans are.

11. Xlife: There still is something that your lost wants to people who read this interview??

TheSpecialist:

Such as the release groups in former days on the amiga already said: ' a game worth playing are a game worth buying ' I do not want aboluut happen moralistically, but I always have been possible find itself and I hope others also. Furthermore I it found very nice to that see Netherlands were well represented on XBH and I hope greet in the future still more interesting Nl-ers to be allowed in this wereldje.
Thanks for this interview!

Read the original interview: <a href="http://www.xlife.nl/article.php?id=15157" target="_blank">Xlife.NL</a>

Entomber
03-20-2006, 12:01 AM
I just hope something like this happens to the PS3. I don't want to see Microsoft throw in the towel after this console. I remember one guy did say (a rep from Microsoft) the security is tough but it's can be circumvented.

I feel... Microsoft will follow Sony's PSP approach with updates required to play future games and can patch holes as they go.

Mod chip anyone?

DeVS
03-20-2006, 12:58 AM
The Ps3 will be hacked and the Nintendo Revolution will be hacked. There hasn't been and wont be a console that can't be hacked. Also this hack is a far from a mod chip hack. Dont get me wrong this hack is something, but it's not much at all for 90% of the people who really want homebrew. Thats the reason they didnt release this. If this allowed us to run unsigned code and use homebrew you can bet your cheeks they would of wraped it in a nice little gui and made it easy accessible. Our time is coming, just got to be patient. Not like were missing out on anything really, as the XboX 1 still has the best homebrew to date of any machine ever released.

Entomber
03-20-2006, 01:14 AM
What bothers me is I know Microsoft is crapping in thier pants (Specialist must be embellishing this) and I'm sure Microsoft is going to pull whatever strings to patch this up.

Regardless this is only the begining. I'm sure others are working on a similar approach and soon WILL release a GUI way to run unsign code.

Tho it's bothering me that a game is 60 bucks (plus tax) a pop, I would really like to see Homebrew on this. I would like to see if we can store stuff on the HD like the Xbox 1. The floodgates are coming. I never realize it would be this soon before the Xbox is hacked.

dateq
03-20-2006, 03:50 AM
As a fellow dutchman I am VERY proud that someone from the Netherlands has been busy with this.

What I am NOT proud of is the abuse of the fine English language :)

Respect!

Morbid
03-20-2006, 05:23 AM
I sickens me to see the power trip these guys get on once they finally do something like this. Its pretty rich. "Well we just wanted to prove it could be done, but we wont release it cause that would lead to piracy, which is illegal."

What a F-ING joke. Its like they are saying "Yea its ok for us to break the law, you know, circumvent security, break the DMCA, etc....but shame on you guys who want to use this for booting backups." Its like they think they are completely innocent just because they dont release it. The fact of the matter is the second they flash that drive firmware, they are just a illegal as they guy that boots backups.

What a bunch of hypocrits!

Vintage
03-20-2006, 06:23 AM
Also the thing is that what they have done anyway is illegal, of they released it, it would be even more illegal, they just did it to prove to MS that they security has flaws and nothing is impossible, hackable system, yer right ;)

thaddius
03-20-2006, 08:16 AM
I sickens me to see the power trip these guys get on once they finally do something like this. Its pretty rich. "Well we just wanted to prove it could be done, but we wont release it cause that would lead to piracy, which is illegal."

What a F-ING joke. Its like they are saying "Yea its ok for us to break the law, you know, circumvent security, break the DMCA, etc....but shame on you guys who want to use this for booting backups." Its like they think they are completely innocent just because they dont release it. The fact of the matter is the second they flash that drive firmware, they are just a illegal as they guy that boots backups.

What a bunch of hypocrits!

I don't think they feel that they owe you anyting.
If they don't want to release it, it's they're perogative.

tray262
03-20-2006, 09:33 AM
I sickens me to see the power trip these guys get on once they finally do something like this. Its pretty rich. "Well we just wanted to prove it could be done, but we wont release it cause that would lead to piracy, which is illegal."

What a F-ING joke. Its like they are saying "Yea its ok for us to break the law, you know, circumvent security, break the DMCA, etc....but shame on you guys who want to use this for booting backups." Its like they think they are completely innocent just because they dont release it. The fact of the matter is the second they flash that drive firmware, they are just a illegal as they guy that boots backups.

What a bunch of hypocrits!

Ok, you've never tried anything just because someone said "I bet you can't do that!" sure you have . Hacking is his/there hobby, and someone challenged him/them. They won. They did what they thought they could, plain and simple. Plus what do they gain by releasing this ???? Nothing. By not releasing it they get people interested, interest leds to investagation, and that will lead to more people trying to figure it out. More people in the community. So what again is he doing that is not right ? But not let you steal games ? By the way good luck in life if you think everyone is going to just hand everything over. Plus I bet he lands a job with M$.

nurd
03-20-2006, 10:32 AM
is this "steenkolen" english done by a translation machine,
or what
lol:D

ROFLMyWaffle
03-20-2006, 12:04 PM
I KNOW! I read it and was like, WTF. If you're gonna claim it's in english too, it better be REAL english! Hell, it could be in english, dutch, chinese, spanish, french, japanese, etc. IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO RUN IT THROUGH A TRANSLATOR!

Zeus
03-20-2006, 12:21 PM
I KNOW! I read it and was like, WTF. If you're gonna claim it's in english too, it better be REAL english! Hell, it could be in english, dutch, chinese, spanish, french, japanese, etc. IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO RUN IT THROUGH A TRANSLATOR!

Quit complaining, we did do a summary of all the key points from the interview in English. The part title 'chopy translation' is exactly that, a choppy translation of what was said, you can still make alot of it out, but it may require an extra ounce of thinking :) - if not the summary in English is just fine and dandy sir.

OblivionX
03-20-2006, 12:32 PM
lol this system isnt hacked. In order for the system to be hacked the hackers must have control. This hack gives them nothing. Im sorry but this cannot be a called a hack. Its more of a crack really, theyve just patched the firmware to boot signed microsoft code. And as I said before, this can be fixed very easily with xbox live and with software on new game discs. The 360 is far from being "hacked".

tray262
03-20-2006, 12:43 PM
Quit complaining, we did do a summary of all the key points from the interview in English. The part title 'chopy translation' is exactly that, a choppy translation of what was said, you can still make alot of it out, but it may require an extra ounce of thinking :) - if not the summary in English is just fine and dandy sir.

Zeus, It doesn't people will always complain. If people can't get the point of what was being said then that's there problem. I say next don't translate let them figure out how to do it. You guys already make it way too easy. But Thanks saves a lot of time. Anyway keep up the great updates.

ROFLMyWaffle
03-20-2006, 01:05 PM
Ill ***** all i want :P i know plenty of dutch dudes here u could just give it to to have it translated

Morbid
03-20-2006, 02:00 PM
I don't think they feel that they owe you anyting.
If they don't want to release it, it's they're perogative.

Yea, thats what I said.... I think they owe to me.....read the post AGAIN...

Morbid
03-20-2006, 02:01 PM
Ok, you've never tried anything just because someone said "I bet you can't do that!" sure you have . Hacking is his/there hobby, and someone challenged him/them. They won. They did what they thought they could, plain and simple. Plus what do they gain by releasing this ???? Nothing. By not releasing it they get people interested, interest leds to investagation, and that will lead to more people trying to figure it out. More people in the community. So what again is he doing that is not right ? But not let you steal games ? By the way good luck in life if you think everyone is going to just hand everything over. Plus I bet he lands a job with M$.

Yea, thats what I said to....I expect them to hand it over to me.....once again...READ THE POST AGAIN...thats NOT what Im saying.

tray262
03-20-2006, 02:31 PM
Yea, thats what I said to....I expect them to hand it over to me.....once again...READ THE POST AGAIN...thats NOT what Im saying.

OK, read it a again and personally you are just whining by the techical things. I don't see how you can they're on a power trip. All the did was complete a project and state the facts of what they've done. If you really suported the commun. say congrats to them, and think that there is hope for someone to do even better. I just don't understand why you would be negitive at all. Doesn't make sence. Support them. They are not telling you not to pirate things, they are just saying they are not going to let you priate thing with something they made. Prirate away, I'm sure them really don't care. Maybe they are using for a true back-up system you don't know. That's why I don't judge people.

Morbid
03-20-2006, 03:14 PM
OK, read it a again and personally you are just whining by the techical things. I don't see how you can they're on a power trip. All the did was complete a project and state the facts of what they've done. If you really suported the commun. say congrats to them, and think that there is hope for someone to do even better. I just don't understand why you would be negitive at all. Doesn't make sence. Support them. They are not telling you not to pirate things, they are just saying they are not going to let you priate thing with something they made. Prirate away, I'm sure them really don't care. Maybe they are using for a true back-up system you don't know. That's why I don't judge people.

My point is as plain as day friend. Its simple.

Its hypocritical to say "We dont support piracy because its illegal, immoral, or whatever." and then to turnaround and break the dmca by circumventing the security on unit. At the end of the day, A criminal, is a criminal, is a criminal. Thats the point Im making.

Dont get me wrong either. Im not standing up here saying its wrong and shouldnt be done, etc. I use modchips and backups like 99% of everyone else here. I just thinks its wrong to stand up say well we commited this crime but we wont tell you how we did it becasue you might commit a crime too...lol...you see how crazy it sounds?

tray262
03-20-2006, 03:22 PM
I think in this case, it's more of the "I've already done bad enough, I don't wanna give it away so I get in more trouble." With this case. I think TS is just trying to watch out for himself, as I would do the same, I doubt he could fight back against M$. I'm going to go out on a limb and so that they may have a little more money to hirer better lawyers. Maybe, I don't really know tho. On another note, I get the whole joke of your sig. but couldn't you put it into longer lines instead of stacking it so tall. Makes reading post on a pocket pc a pain, more scrolling.