SELF BOOTING XBOX 360 EXPERIENCE KIOSK DISK

[Zeus]

Team PI have done it again! YES YOU CAN BURN THIS ISO AND PLAY IT IN YOUR XBOX-360 - they call it the big m$ muck up. Team Pi leaves you with this Pillow statement:"It seems Microsoft was in such a hurry to get this stuff out that they forgot to set the media protection on this disc. This leaves hackers with the posibility to hack around with this disc that load from a normal DVDR5 backup.


*** YES YOU CAN BURN THIS ISO AND PLAY IT IN YOUR XBOX-360 ***
Microsoft left us with this blanket statement:
"Xbox 360 retail kiosks have started arriving at retailers.
Due to the nature of the distribution process, not all kiosks
are hitting simultaneously, but are continuing to pop up in
retailers across the country in the coming weeks.
The kiosks are designed for a retail environment and feature
game samples, game trailers and product information."
Team Pi leaves you with this Pillow statement:
"It seems Microsoft was in such a hurry to get this stuff out
that they forgot to set the media protection on this disc.
This leaves hackers with the posibility to hack around with
this disc that load from a normal DVDR5 backup! - Team Pi
also notes that the all datafiles on this disc isn't signed in
any way, and will allow for extensive modification for producing
exploits to further our efford to hack this box!"
Playable (hackable) games on this disc:
Call of Duty 2, Hexic, Kameo, King Kong.
Also includes lots of game and accessory demos in video format.
Nothing ripped, just foreign videos were downsampled to fit
onto a normal DVDR5!
YES you can run this! Burn the iso, put it into your xbox and
be very amazed... Next, think of the posibilities of hacking
this little demo disc that we might start running code on
the retail xbox 360's ! :)
So the second task is done. We hope this encourages all hackers,
coders and crackers out there to take up the challenge.
Enjoy!

Special note to the Clear kids: Yes, we are old and lazy, and no,
we are not going to do some scene war against you. Life is too
short for that, and our dicks are allready large enough :)

Keep up the hard work!
Pi Putting the 360' Spin on the Xbox :-)


The above was taken from the nfo file of the release Experience_Xbox_360_Kiosk_Demo_SELFBOOTING_READNFO _PAL_DVD5_XBOX360-PI.

[Zak]

Oh My God!
This may really open doors for hacking. Then again there were quite a few DVD-R booting xbe's for Xbox1 which could never be used for hacking or creating a bootdisc.
We'll see how this turn out.

[Vintage]

Wow, mircosoft are really doing well at the moment, bunch of morons. :D

[chukz]

i'm thinking something along the lines of a boot disc , kind of like what the DC had.

not sure if self-boot will work, i'm thinking this thing will need to be used as an exploit, then swap with backup of game.

[TheBiGW]

Boot disc won't work as it still can't run unsigned code, but this does prove that backups will run. I'm guessing pi will release a generic patcher util soon so the existing 360 dumps can be patched and then booted.

Will be interesting to see if Microsoft release a dash update via xbox live shortly to prevent this hack from working :)

[whackawookie]

even if they figure out how to run unsigned code a boot disc still wont be plausable, the system reboots with eject. I think this is probably where things start happening with the 360 and it will be interesting to see the steps microsoft will take. I would highly recommend though that if this disk creates save types to delete them before signing onto live, better safe then sorry.

[xplayer]

even if they figure out how to run unsigned code a boot disc still wont be plausable, the system reboots with eject.

An other option is to understand why the unsigned code boots and use it to possibly patch ripped iso's to boot.

[booshaka]

Where can I get this demo from? Is there a torrent for it or is it floating around in some newsgroup? IRC perhaps??????

thx..

[mksoftware]

An other option is to understand why the unsigned code boots and use it to possibly patch ripped iso's to boot.

Which will propably happen real soon ;)


Hmmm.....

[Zeus]

Where can I get this demo from? Is there a torrent for it or is it floating around in some newsgroup? IRC perhaps??????

thx..

Please do not ask about where to get such releases or else this thread will be closed very fast. This is left for a warning to everyone.

[wiggim]

either MS is playing with everyone with this disc, or they really did screw up pretty hardcore. Update discs work though by burning them to a CDR, they boot.. Maybe they want their demo discs to do the same.

[JSR]

either MS is playing with everyone with this disc, or they really did screw up pretty hardcore. Update discs work though by burning them to a CDR, they boot.. Maybe they want their demo discs to do the same.

Hmmm no, the structure of the disc is TOTALLY differant from the update disk. this one is like other XBOX 360 GAME DVD.

[Vintage]

I bet they though that i would not get leaked onto the internet, being a kiosk disk bet they though people would think it just another demo disc or something. Well its mircosofts fault, should have been moer carefull, fools :rolleyes:

[Xion]

That's kinda dumb with M$, this might get hacked a lot quicker than I thought, but then again the kiosk demos disk might not really do much help. I guess we'll see

[lenselijer]

cant they get the .xbe from call of duty 2 demo and put it with the full game files? I think it will work, but i dont have xbox360 yet :(

[booshaka]

I know I can't ask for ISOs of games, didn't realize demos were the same way.....

[nurd]

just tested it and it works ,looks to me as some sort of alternative dashboard with limited options
but it boots fine
:)

[rainmein]

just tested it and it works ,looks to me as some sort of alternative dashboard with limited options
but it boots fine
:)

Where did you get it? Would be nice if you PM me. ;)

[This_is_Joepie]

Are you able to play the games on the disc? Otherwise I think it's just a DVD and the XBOX 360 isn't protected against reading backupped DVDs.

[acem77]

i would think the default .xex that loads the demo disk is unprotected.
once you get it to boot have the demo boot a full retail game installed in the same dvd.

maybe you can transpant the files from any given retail game into the demo dvd image.
remove all uneeded files in the demo image and rename or relink the one game on the demo list to point to the full game in the image.

[japots]

even if they figure out how to run unsigned code a boot disc still wont be plausable, the system reboots with eject.

Just like the dreamcast, but they got a bootdisk for that running fine.

[wiggim]

even if they figure out how to run unsigned code a boot disc still wont be plausable, the system reboots with eject.

That can be bypassed pretty easily. Tear apart your console or someone will figure out which wire tells the system the disc tray is ejected and adapt it so the system see it to be "Constantly closed".

I guess the time is turning to get on the X360 bandwagon. Can anyone verify this boots in both the ultimate and core packs? (can't see why it wouldn't)

If there is an action replay/codebraker software, that usually allows for disc-swapping so there should be a way to use their method to swap the discs. Maybe after some dev'ing they will figure out what makes that xbx boot and be able to make a gameshark/ar code to do it - like how the GC softmods were done.

[cirko]

Hi, i really dont understand this sorry guys, dont be angry.
But with the disc can i so run full xbox 360, games i have downloaded on the internet.
And can someone please pm me where i can download the disc, thanks guys, and good hacking :D

[whackawookie]

for both wiggim and japots. first, dreamcast used a lid and eventhough im almost positive that it didnt reset when ejected it could of been easily bypassed with a piece of paper and tape. as for the tearing apart the system and bypassing through hardware modification, they never found a way to do that with the original xbox without a hacked fw.

[Zeus]

Hi, i really dont understand this sorry guys, dont be angry.
But with the disc can i so run full xbox 360, games i have downloaded on the internet.
And can someone please pm me where i can download the disc, thanks guys, and good hacking :D

Quit this right now, stop disrespecting the forum rules. We know it's a demo but it was not meant to be released (depsite what some people speculate about M$ wanting people to play the demo's).

Just quit asking, or we will have no option to ban you.

Requests like these are not open for debate.

[cirko]

Quit this right now, stop disrespecting the forum rules. We know it's a demo but it was not meant to be released (depsite what some people speculate about M$ wanting people to play the demo's).

Just quit asking, or we will have no option to ban you.

Requests like these are not open for debate.
Hi sorry, i am not that good to english, but why will you ban me because i ask for pm or about the disc can run full games.
Thanks

[Xion]

Hi, i really dont understand this sorry guys, dont be angry.
But with the disc can i so run full xbox 360, games i have downloaded on the internet.
And can someone please pm me where i can download the disc, thanks guys, and good hacking :Dno, you can only make a backup of this demo disc and play it on your 360. The demo disc is not up yet on the internet, I'm still waiting and I really can't tell you where to get it either.

[cirko]

Thanks now i understand :D
They have, maked a demo game, and you are able to play it on the xbox 360, soon we can play full games this way :eek:

[whackawookie]

u have 53 posts so u should know the rules, hell that is like the golden rule on any message board. just drop it and move on

[AceMilo]

Does anyone realize that while the disc itself seems to be unprotected, the xex file IS encrypted, therefore whomever said it runs unsigned code is wrong. The xex file IS signed, meaning theres not much you can do with this other than trying to figure out why it oots this disc. We know that you can brun your own discs, ms already told us that you can update the xbox with a burned cd/dvd, but the file that gets run is still signed. I honestly dont see this as being too helpful, it seems more like PI is trying to get some cred.

[nurd]

nobody said it runs unsigned code , it just boots
it looks like some sort of dashboard with limited capabilities.
For all we know microsoft could have designed it to be like this
the hybrid demo disc for xbox and x360 are likely to be made to make sure they work on the xbox
its all about the signing , it maybe a surprise to m$ the filesystem on discs was figured out so fast but they are always one step ahead like sony is with the psp

but this is nice ,it tells me i dont need +rw and booktype setting
and one day someone will **** up , like with the cube

[MrWhite]

There is a movie online, the link can be found here http://www.xlife.nl/article.php?id=14071
Het filmpje is hier te vinden.is the link to the movie btw, for all you non dutch speaking folks :)

[jakesterama]

Has anyone tried rebuilding the ISO with a full game in place of the demo game's file? I did this a few times with xbox games, like with Halo's demo of Fusion Frenzy, I replaced the demo with the full game. The 360 can keep programs running in the background, so it may continously check the program that is running, so this may not be possible. I don't have a 360, so I cant check myself.

[Arakon]

that can't work. the retail xex file has a media check, so it will fail on a dvd-r/cdr. if you modify the media flag, you invalidate the signature, so it will fail as well. no-win situation.

[japots]

for both wiggim and japots. first, dreamcast used a lid and eventhough im almost positive that it didnt reset when ejected it could of been easily bypassed with a piece of paper and tape.

I don't wanna sound like an ass, but you have it wrong. Or I'm misunderstanding you. When you open the lid of the Dreamcast, it goes back to the boot screen, and it could be bypassed with a paperclip. However, the Utopia bootdisk did a software bypass, so the DC didn't go back to the boot menu when opened. I'm not saying this is possible on the 360, but I'm saying that the idea behind it is the same.

[sheeplostsanity]

This is just a case of some "hacking group" trying to stir up credit for doing nothing at all.
The Xbox 360 demo disk is simply a collection of SIGNED game demos and videos that are obtainable on Xbox live for free anyway.
The fact that the Xbox 360 runs code off the burned DVDs was already known:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardscompatibility.htm#disc
You can download and burn Xbox emulation updates to DVD that the 360 will run off the burned disk.

Everything about the demo disk was intentional, there is not media protection because nothing about the media needs protection, everything on the demo disk is FREE & SIGNED, why protect it.
In fact by not protecting it you are:
a) Limiting the amount of usage the protection is getting which in term reduces possible mess ups and brings the possiblity of it being hacked down.
b) Allow for easier distro of free content which is Xbox 360 advertising.
Why protect from being copied if it's free?
If anything this "discovery" just proves how much more effective Microsoft is being with its security.

Microsoft didn't rush anything and so far there have been no discoveries about the 360 to say they did (at least when it comes to security, load times in PGR:3 speaks volumes of rushed released games)

We already knew it ran code off burned DVDs.
We already knew Microsoft wasn't protecting free media.
So what's impressive or even new about this again?

[n1x]

Completely agreed!

[lenselijer]

you're right, but you cant do any nice stuff with the update file.

however with the kiosk disc you can try to replace .wmv files with some very large file with some of your own code, or something else, alot possibilities.

i dont say we can hack the 360 with this dics, but its nice anyway. Why can we hack the normal xbox now? because microsoft left bugs in the xbox live software .xbe files, and someone wrote a buffer overflow for it :)

[InsaneNutter]

Theres been no demo of Call of Duty 2 on Xbox Live or on OXM yet... and some of us might want to play it

You could also modify files on the dvd then still be able to boot it, it could be kinda big... its good for hacking teams anyway.

[JSR]

you could be right

[TheRevengeOfGod]

I found out that german issues obviously don't have any dvds included ... :confused:

[TheHorst]

This is just a case of some "hacking group" trying to stir up credit for doing nothing at all.
The Xbox 360 demo disk is simply a collection of SIGNED game demos and videos that are obtainable on Xbox live for free anyway.
The fact that the Xbox 360 runs code off the burned DVDs was already known:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardscompatibility.htm#disc
You can download and burn Xbox emulation updates to DVD that the 360 will run off the burned disk.

Everything about the demo disk was intentional, there is not media protection because nothing about the media needs protection, everything on the demo disk is FREE & SIGNED, why protect it.
In fact by not protecting it you are:
a) Limiting the amount of usage the protection is getting which in term reduces possible mess ups and brings the possiblity of it being hacked down.
b) Allow for easier distro of free content which is Xbox 360 advertising.
Why protect from being copied if it's free?
If anything this "discovery" just proves how much more effective Microsoft is being with its security.

Microsoft didn't rush anything and so far there have been no discoveries about the 360 to say they did (at least when it comes to security, load times in PGR:3 speaks volumes of rushed released games)

We already knew it ran code off burned DVDs.
We already knew Microsoft wasn't protecting free media.
So what's impressive or even new about this again?

well seems your´ve been wrong in most of your points ...

[crono]

bootdiscs ar already on usenet and they seems working,getting it confirmed from more there playing backups off pgr3

[TheRevengeOfGod]

That's outstanding news that indeed need to be confirmed ;)

[whackawookie]

since im not home to confirm or deny these i'll just leave u with the heading im seeing from people and my news searcher, Xbox 360 Boot Disk (Xbox 360) (Fake) . I'll leave it as fake until proven otherwise, people need to stop believing the hype so easily

[AceMilo]

If it were real, it would be all over every news site, and it is not. You really think they can make a loader off the kiosk disc??? It's completely fake. The xex is signed and if you edit it the signature becomes invalid, thus the xbox won't run it.

[cirko]

have just tested SELF BOOTING XBOX 360 EXPERIENCE KIOSK DISK and it work with a pal consol.

[InsaneNutter]

Its not a bad DVD, i liked the demo of Call of Duty 2 and theres some good trailers to watch :)

[ravenslayer]

i was trying some things out with the kameo demo that was included in the kiosk and my own kameo rip. I took the files of my rip deleted all languages that wern't needed then i replaced the default.xex with the demos default.Xex and burned it with nero. Result -> it boots but i can only play the first level because at the end gate it doesn't load the video it usually does i can just keep on walking and nothing happens

btw you can just take all files out of a demo map and burn only those files to a dvd. It loads perfectly

[Miah]

have just tested SELF BOOTING XBOX 360 EXPERIENCE KIOSK DISK and it work with a pal consol.

Does anyone know if this works on a US console? A friend of mine said it says wrong region... :mad:

[koteshi]

Hmm trying to load it but there's no working torrent... :(

[sheeplostsanity]

well seems your´ve been wrong in most of your points ...

Show me the proof, I've yet to see any confirmed cases of anything off the demo disk being used to run burned protected game isos, just lots of badly edited videos creating more false hype (even one that uses the PSP to hack the 360, cmon people).

It's just hard to belive microsoft would spend so much money on developing a processor from the ground up that intergates multiple links of a chain of trust directly into it (along with box-unique encryption) then accidently releasing a demo disk with everything hackers need to blow it all open.

I'm not saying I wouldn't love to see linux running on the 360, I'm just saying keep the hype under control and rest assured that the right people working on doing that are not the same people who have team names and shoot for hacking cred.

Projects to respect:
http://www.xbox-linux.org/
http://www.free60.org/

[zzzz11]

inside-source.org has it
downloading

[whackawookie]

i hope u guys get banned, even when stated in the very thread ur talking in u still decide to go against the rules.

[koteshi]

Oh ok, will never again ask for help ;)

PS: Hey Wookie I've just seen you're born the same day as me but three years ealier :D

[TheRevengeOfGod]

oh c'mon ... it's just a demo disk ... it's stuff you'll be able to get anyway if you've got a xbox live connection :)

it might be semi - legal, but i can't imagine somebody sues you for **** like that.

[suave123]

disc works good....no problem....now with a little tweaking it looks easy to play at least .wmv files etc.....

[m3r2000]

Not working for me on the US Xbox360. Has anyone got it working on the NTSC version? It displays "Play game" on the bottom but when launched it errors " This disc is unreadable. It may be the wrong region for this console". It reads fine on my PC. Am I doing something wrong? (DVD-R 4X) :confused:

[Active666]

oh c'mon ... it's just a demo disk ... it's stuff you'll be able to get anyway if you've got a xbox live connection :)

it might be semi - legal, but i can't imagine somebody sues you for **** like that.


The point is not wether or not they will get sued over the comments...it GOES AGAINST THE RULES OF POSTNG...and has already been mentioned in this thread...

[Jason Voorhees]

Not working for me on the US Xbox360. Has anyone got it working on the NTSC version? It displays "Play game" on the bottom but when launched it errors " This disc is unreadable. It may be the wrong region for this console". It reads fine on my PC. Am I doing something wrong? (DVD-R 4X) :confused:

i got the PAL Kiosk disc. and, it works fine for me. im about to play CoD2. and my 360 is NTSC.

[cellshaded]

Please don't post request for where to get it, how to get it, to pm it to you, or to how to get it, or posting the link where it is at, or pm it.
Simple rules, if you seriusly want this file which i am sure or almost sure this kiosk wonj't hel with playing backups, at least until 1 year. I may be wrong, but i agree with all those telling that it's unsigned so it's freeware, besides, for once for some people who want this 'backups' while some may really want it for backup, to the guy that want it just to rent the game and copy it, screw you and for once buy legal games :) .

[koteshi]

unsigned does NOT mean its freeware!!! :mad:

[AceMilo]

Who the hell said its not signed? The xex file is signed and contains copyrighted ms code, meaning if you distribute it its a crime.

[TheRevengeOfGod]

That's why I called it semi - legal :D Sure, it's a crime against copyright to some extent, but on the other hand: how could it be, if it's the same stuff that you can legally get for free using xbox live - stuff you get from there is signed, too, while downloading it ain't illegal and MS & the other gaming companies want you to try out their stuff FOR FREE in order to sell full versions of their software :)

And if you ask me: Their intention WAS to produce a demo dvd that is reproducable simply using dvd burners to get in touch with a wider range of potential customers that didn't or couldn't actually buy the mag.

It's the usual 'all about rules and nothing about logic' story :)

But nevermind ...

[cravavr3]

This is indeed nothing spectabular, as we know whe can download updates ( emulator for normal xbox games ) and burn them on a normal data dvd or cd.

Thus this cd is copyable.


Now since this DVD contains multiple demos, the only new part is the menu boot to select which demo. But then again don't gaming mazines publish these types of demo dvd's which are copyable as well.

I see no real sign that this is indeed a flaw, but maybe just a little taste on what can and cannot bypass media protection schemes.

The true test with this would be to take a downloaded demo or full version on teh arcade games and then burn a cd with demo and one with the full version. I bet the demo would run, but full version would fail.

[m3r2000]

i got the PAL Kiosk disc. and, it works fine for me. im about to play CoD2. and my 360 is NTSC.

It was time for a new burner anyway so I bought a Sony DL burner and tried again and it works fine. Strange.

[koteshi]

btw: I only have DVD+Rs at the moment. Do they work too on Xbox 360?

[Jason Voorhees]

btw: I only have DVD+Rs at the moment. Do they work too on Xbox 360?

i dont know if the xbox will read DVD+R's. i would buy a DVD+RW first. so you dont waste a dvd. and, burn the ISO at nomore than 2x. i always burn my ISO's at 1x. about 4.5GB should take at least 1hour and 1x speed.

[Radiozo]

It really doesnt matter what speed you burn at as long as you have good media. I burn everything at max speed and never have problems with discs. I use Fuji DVD-R, DVD-RW 8x. Just stay away from the cheap crappy media and you'll be fine.

[koteshi]

Thx for the help but I burned it a few minutes on a "Platinum DVD+R" and it workes. I can see all the commercial videos and the trailers, but there are no playable demos...?!?!?

OK, I've checked the content of the disc and there ARE demos. But who the hell do I start'em? :(

[Vintage]

There are demos. PGR3, COD2 and kameo i think

[vamprecords]

well i burned it 3 times on quality media, and it won't boot. It keeps telling me that it's a wrong region... Any suggestions?

[koteshi]

Jepp there are the following demos included: KingKong, CoD2, Kameo etc...

I know they are demos on the disc (I've checked the DVD on my PC) but I don't see a way to start'em... :(

[cellshaded]

For some with problems in NTSC, i recommend gettin a plextor, NEC, or Sony burner.

[chinese_fury]

F.y.i. The 360 boots up dvd's as well as cd's.

The Call of Duty 2 Demo (Size 319 mb) burned on a CD-R, boots and plays just like in the store on my U.S. 360.

This is cool.

[Ueffi]

@koteshi you have to change the language from German to English. (Language for Xbox 360 i mean)

Then it works ;-) hF!

[koteshi]

Thanks alot Ueffi. That helped alot :D

[Ueffi]

you're welcome ;)

Greetings from Switzerland :D

[koteshi]

Oh, Grützi :)

a switzerland elite H4XX0R? ;)
If you haven't told me I would try to load the demos till next year...

Greetings from Germany.

Btw: how much does the 360 cost in switzerland? And could you send me your xbox-live gamertag so we can play together.

[OblivionX]

well i dont no if ne1 mentioned this in the 6 page thread. But this is no exploit, no way can this ever run homebrew and the 360 actually does this by design. Its how those wonderful xbox live demos work :p. Things like hypervisor and ram checksums prevent overflows from running exploits, so even if you found an overflow, the hardware wud stop it from ever running anything. If its ever gonna be hacked its got to be hardware im thinking. Unless u find a magical program that can sign the code.

[TheRevengeOfGod]

You can be 100% sure that a "magic program" to sign data with 360 signature will not come due to EXTREMLY heavy encryption ... noone can decrypt sh+t like that, not even the best cpu in 10 years :(

[OblivionX]

You can be 100% sure that a "magic program" to sign data with 360 signature will not come due to EXTREMLY heavy encryption ... noone can decrypt sh+t like that, not even the best cpu in 10 years :(

lol well yeah that was the point. MS have done ther homework. The 1 way all systems get exploited is overflows, and they have the hardware that can stop them. 360 cant be soft modded.

[Ueffi]

moin moin :) schon dumm, dass man hier engl. schreiben muss lol.

hmm a game costs about 90-95 CHF thats approximately 60€-64€ :eek:
My Gamertag is "Ueffi"
Got PGR3, PDZ0, Kameo, Condemned, Halo2 (but no hdd now lol).

My Goldaccount is running out, I'll have to get a Goldaccount in stores ;-)

[crank]

Like others, I get the wrong region error, for those that got it working on ntsc console can you tell me exactly what media you used, and what speed you burned at, tia...

[Jason Voorhees]

Like others, I get the wrong region error, for those that got it working on ntsc console can you tell me exactly what media you used, and what speed you burned at, tia...

i used an HP DVD-R and burned it with DVD Decryptor at 1x speed.

[InsaneNutter]

i used an HP DVD-R and burned it with DVD Decryptor at 1x speed.

Why did you burn at 1x speed? unless u have a really old DVDR.. i burned it at 8x speed and it works fine.. probly would at 16x speed aswell if i had any 16x DVD's

[BloodShed]

Why did you burn at 1x speed? unless u have a really old DVDR.. i burned it at 8x speed and it works fine.. probly would at 16x speed aswell if i had any 16x DVD's
No matter how new your burner is, slower speeds mean that you get a better quality disc image. Granted that a quality burner will burn a nicer disc at 8x than a cheap burner at 8x on identical media. But a quality burner will still burn a better image at 1x than at 8x on the same media. I have a Pioneer DVR-109 which can burn at 16x but I still use 1x to 4x most of the time.

You have to realize that digital data is stored on discs in the form of grooves. A high or low point is binary data (like 1 and 0). Retail discs are "pressed" and these grooves are physical impressions made onto a reflective aluminum metal. Burnable discs are completely flat with a clear chemical layer over the aluminum. When a special (writable) laser is passed over the chemical, it changes color and alters the reflection. This simulates the reflective patterns of pressed media.

This is important to understand because when a laser is working too quickly, you end up with "blurry" grooves because the laser is still moving while turning on and off across the disc. Remember, lasers diodes do not turn on and off instantly... they power up and down. Although it is incredibly fast, the disc is also spinning incredibly fast.

You'll have to forgive the excessively detailed explaination if you already know any of this information... but in case someone doesn't know, I thought I'd explain.

[Shadowsan]

Not necessarily _always_ the case that a slower burn = a better write...

...I know of quite a few drives that have firmwares that calibrate themselves specifically to work at a certain speed better than others, and anything other than those speeds (even slower) are not recommended.

What i'm really trying to say is find out what your drive can and can't do with your current firmware, and look up the appropriate firmware that will burn at the speed you want.

Shadowsan

[sbanting]

Haven't you thought its a bit strange that a huge company like Microsoft would let a cd go out without any protection...
I think it was meant to go out like this to get everyone stirring about backups etc. So loads of ppl go out and buy the 360!

...Just a thought

[AceMilo]

Haven't you thought its a bit strange that a huge company like Microsoft would let a cd go out without any protection...
I think it was meant to go out like this to get everyone stirring about backups etc. So loads of ppl go out and buy the 360!

...Just a thought

The disc still has protection. The xex file is encrypted therefore you cannot edit it without destroying the signature, the disc in no way allows you to boot backups.

[g8crapachino]

You guys ever hear of a "Honey Pot" before?....It's a old hacking term to descibe a company or organization intentionally allowing something that's relatively benign to be hacked for the sole purpose of gathering data and finding out where the vunerabilities are.

A hacked KIOSK disk doesn't cause Microsoft or any other company any serious financial loss but it certainly gives them the opportunity to see what the hackers do.