No weather, night racing nor rally in Forza 3

[Zeus]

The Turn 10 community manager has revealed that there will definitely be no weather, night racing nor rally within Forza Motorsport 3 for the Xbox 360. He added that 'any car' is up for grabs and the team is just trickling out information at the moment.

<blockquote>However, Turn 10 community manager Che Chou has come out to refute those claims (at least for now) on the official Forza MotorSport 3 forums: "No weather, night racing, or rally in the game."

That said, the game will likely include most of your favourite cars, with Chou adding:

"Any car is up for grabs. Just because we haven't announced/shown it doesn't mean it won't make it into the game. We're just trickling out info."

The amount of effort put into all aspects of the game, from physics to graphics, can be seen in the following developer diary when Turn 10 went to visit the Le Mans race track in France.
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[Tempos]

That sucks. I am a fan of Forza but I'm not sure I will get this one. The second instalment was disappointing in that it had these aspects missing and was graphically dull. The career was very tedious and many players online ruined the game. They also removed point-to-point races which are my favourite.

[harryisme]

How can you have a Le Man style race if you have no night feature, and there should definitely be dynamic weather feature in sim type racing games as in real life it does rain during the race.

[p1nky]

...and there are hardly any rally games anyway? :(

Rallisport Challenge 2 was great on the Xbox, part 1 was the reason I got an Xbox 1 on release day.

Also no more V-Rally on the PS3 like it used to be on PS2.

And no more Colin McRae which I didn't like as much as the 2 others but the last parts were quite ok. And now they have this "Colin McRae" Dirt Pseudo-"Rally" which is all but a real Rally racing game and besides that unplayable on 360 & PS3 anyway thanks to their "great" NEON engine that is really like a neon light, t just blinds you and has some pseudo graphics gimmics that are so "great" that the only problem is that u just can't see the road anymore from all the jesus like shining. Only on the PC u can at least turn that crap off if u hack some ini-file....

Ok that ends my rant about rally racing games :D

[wpc]

what a shocker i can understand no rally but no weather and night race... maybe they ran out of space on 1 dl disc lol

[d889]

it is a bummer, i was hoping for something different.

i just hope the graphics look good enough that i wont care, and hopefully this one isnt as repetitive as the 2nd one so i actually want to finish the career mode.

im still going to buy it however

[geebus]

I asked one of the forza team about weather effects at E3 and all he said was "we have nothing to announce at this time" but he had a smile on his face the entire time. So.. its probably coming.

[Xenogears V]

That sucks. I am a fan of Forza but I'm not sure I will get this one. The second instalment was disappointing in that it had these aspects missing and was graphically dull. The career was very tedious and many players online ruined the game. They also removed point-to-point races which are my favourite.

If you like driver simulator or in general "car game" pass to Gran Turismo 5. That is the real driving simulator. 360 game drive sucks.

[kingkneal09]

I asked one of the forza team about weather effects at E3 and all he said was "we have nothing to announce at this time"but he had a smile on his face the entire time. So.. its probably coming.

sounds more like he was admiring the person standing before him (you) rather than giving you some secret signal...

EDIT - you're not a guy by any chance aye ?

[Tempos]

If you like driver simulator or in general "car game" pass to Gran Turismo 5. That is the real driving simulator. 360 game drive sucks.

I played prologue and wasn't as impressed with it as most, I can't claim to have driven the cars in either game especially at high speeds around a race track but I find Forza's mechanics more rewarding. It's true that the damage model isn't realistic but it does provide a huge incentive to avoid crashing/hitting a barrier - it affects your whole gameplay, especially during overtaking.

I understand Gran Turismo is getting a damage model which will help things tremendously, so long as they've sorted out their AI which doesn't seem to understand that you're on the track. I'm still not yet a PS3 owner, money has been tighter recently than I'd have imagined and the lack of price cuts hasn't helped matters. Despite the things I've said, GT5 is one of the games I will probably pick up when I get a PS3 (Sony, it's too expensive) - but this doesn't mean I think the 360 has inferior driving games.

[sliggo]

If you like driver simulator or in general "car game" pass to Gran Turismo 5. That is the real driving simulator. 360 game drive sucks.

You have too, like some other ps3 fans stop living in the future, waiting and waiting for that amazing game that Is going to be the best game ever and when it finally arrives look a little silly when it either bombs or picks up an 80-90% rating. eg. Killzone2, Resistance 2, LAIR, LBP, Infamous, HAZE-how can we forget that one;)

Im not suggesting 80-90 is bad or that GT 5 wont be excellent just wait and see, nothing turns out to be far superior to the crop of games that are out at the time.

And as for 360 driving games sucking, I would like you to tell me the good ones on PS3 that do not appear on 360. Because I would say 360 has the stronger catalogue, and I know you will say Motorstorm but refrain from that as I have it and its ok and nothing more.

[Cue]

You have too, like some other ps3 fans stop living in the future, waiting and waiting for that amazing game that Is going to be the best game ever and when it finally arrives look a little silly when it either bombs or picks up an 80-90% rating. eg. Killzone2, Resistance 2, LAIR, LBP, Infamous, HAZE-how can we forget that one;)

Im not suggesting 80-90 is bad or that GT 5 wont be excellent just wait and see, nothing turns out to be far superior to the crop of games that are out at the time.

And as for 360 driving games sucking, I would like you to tell me the good ones on PS3 that do not appear on 360. Because I would say 360 has the stronger catalogue, and I know you will say Motorstorm but refrain from that as I have it and its ok and nothing more.

mate there is this thing called opinion everybody has theirs that is what it boils down to. I cannot believe you mention ratings and mix Haze with Killzone and LBP which got 91% and 95% respectively. If you don't like those games then that is fair enough, I respect your opinion but why even mention ratings when 90+ ratings are the cream of the crop?

[unreal maniac]

im sorry but how can you not have rally in a game like forza rally has been in gran turismo from gt2 on the ps1. turn 10 said that the game was going to be the biggest and best, what happend to that?

[grapeape]

mate there is this thing called opinion everybody has theirs that is what it boils down to. I cannot believe you mention ratings and mix Haze with Killzone and LBP which got 91% and 95% respectively. If you don't like those games then that is fair enough, I respect your opinion but why even mention ratings when 90+ ratings are the cream of the crop?

I dont think he was comparing them in quality...just sales and what was delivered vs the build up and hype...Haze was pushed as a Halo killer as was Killzone 2, LBP was supposed to be the death of Mario...most were good games but none reached the level of success to match their hype.

[Cue]

I dont think he was comparing them in quality...just sales and what was delivered vs the build up and hype...Haze was pushed as a Halo killer as was Killzone 2, LBP was supposed to be the death of Mario...most were good games but none reached the level of success to match their hype.

Why mention ratings if not to compare "quality"? If he was talking about sales, why mention sales in the first place? it makes no sense, not only is it completely irrelevant but both GT5 Prologue and Motorstorm have probably sold more than Forza.

[Xenontc]

How can you have a Le Man style race if you have no night feature, and there should definitely be dynamic weather feature in sim type racing games as in real life it does rain during the race.

And when that happens, you pull into the pits and wait for it to stop.

[sliggo]

Why mention ratings if not to compare "quality"? If he was talking about sales, why mention sales in the first place? it makes no sense, not only is it completely irrelevant but both GT5 Prologue and Motorstorm have probably sold more than Forza.

I own MGS, LBP, uncharted, motorstorm, killzone 2 too name a few, very good games minus motorstorm. My point being they are hyped up to be amazing and although very good dont push any boundaries I mentioned Killzone and Haze as opposite ends of the quality spectrum, one class one crap but both got an equal amount of hype.

When people say wait for GT, wait for this and wait for that... You have to take it with a pinch of salt as nothing ends up as good as they would have you believe.

You are right its about opinions and I dont knock PS3, just some people buy in to hype too much, when GT arrives we shall see im sure it will be great but will we be seeing a title far superior to any other driving game....I will reserve judgement.

[Cue]

I own MGS, LBP, uncharted, motorstorm, killzone 2 too name a few, very good games minus motorstorm. My point being they are hyped up to be amazing and although very good dont push any boundaries I mentioned Killzone and Haze as opposite ends of the quality spectrum, one class one crap but both got an equal amount of hype.

When people say wait for GT, wait for this and wait for that... You have to take it with a pinch of salt as nothing ends up as good as they would have you believe.

You are right its about opinions and I dont knock PS3, just some people buy in to hype too much, when GT arrives we shall see im sure it will be great but will we be seeing a title far superior to any other driving game....I will reserve judgement.

well then tell me what game has been far superior to anything already out there on any console and if that was your point why mention ratings and sales at all. Like I said it makes no sense you turned a perfectly legitimate opinion into what seems like a "lets slag Sony exclusives" debate by mentioning no other hyped games like Gears or Halo or Infinite discovery or even Forza itself. You mention ratings yet mention both Killzone and LBP you mention sales yet we are talking about Gran turismo one of the top 20 best selling games of all time, GT prologue (a demo to some) and motorstorm sold more than forza that is what is so confusing here. Why mention these irrelevant things when you could have just said I'll reserve judgement before and my only explaination for you doing so is the one given above.

[Cue]

And when that happens, you pull into the pits and wait for it to stop.

uh no you don't. Clearly you did not watch le mans 24 2 years ago.

[grapeape]

well then tell me what game has been far superior to anything already out there on any console and if that was your point why mention ratings and sales at all. Like I said it makes no sense you turned a perfectly legitimate opinion into what seems like a "lets slag Sony exclusives" debate by mentioning no other hyped games like Gears or Halo or Infinite discovery or even Forza itself. You mention ratings yet mention both Killzone and LBP you mention sales yet we are talking about Gran turismo one of the top 20 best selling games of all time, GT prologue (a demo to some) and motorstorm sold more than forza that is what is so confusing here. Why mention these irrelevant things when you could have just said I'll reserve judgement before and my only explaination for you doing so is the one given above.

Halo I agree was hyped to death, I really didn't see much hyping the first gears game no one new what to really expect...there was a good amount of hype for the second, Infinite Undiscovery had so little hype here in the US most of us didnt even know what week it came out (I still havent even bothered to buy it). Forza got little fanfare, Forza 2 got a little bit of hype but nothing like any of the games that were mentioned. The differences were IMHO that with Halo and Gears for instance people knew what to expect, and for fans of those they appeared to deliver. Its just different types of hype, its one thing to talk up a game its another to talk it up to levels it cant possibly reach.

BTW for what its worth...Forza 2 sold 4 million, Motorstorm and Motorstorm Pacific Rift together sold around around 4 million, GT Prologue so far has sold around 3 million.

[Cue]

Halo I agree was hyped to death, I really didn't see much hyping the first gears game no one new what to really expect...there was a good amount of hype for the second, Infinite Undiscovery had so little hype here in the US most of us didnt even know what week it came out (I still havent even bothered to buy it). Forza got little fanfare, Forza 2 got a little bit of hype but nothing like any of the games that were mentioned. The differences were IMHO that with Halo and Gears for instance people knew what to expect, and for fans of those they appeared to deliver. Its just different types of hype, its one thing to talk up a game its another to talk it up to levels it cant possibly reach.

BTW for what its worth...Forza 2 sold 4 million, Motorstorm and Motorstorm Pacific Rift together sold around around 4 million, GT Prologue so far has sold around 3 million.

I have no idea what week haze came out nor did I see even 1 advert for it all I heard was a bunch of idiots on forums claiming it is the second coming much like I did with Infinite Undiscovery only reason I mentioned it really. thanks for the info I was under the impression that forza had sold ~2.2 mil and GT5 Prologue 3.3.
for gears I saw the Madworld ad played a thousand times here in the UK but you mention a difference as a reason for not mentioning those franchises. in GT people should already know what to expect even more so than gears and halo seeing as this is the 5th instalment of a franchise that has delivered in both review scores and sales in the series so I still do not see the point being made with the two subjects of sales and review scores or the distinction for not mentioning the 360 hyped games when making the point about reserving judgement. So my point still stands about why I think he mentioned those.

[dsav]

im sorry but how can you not have rally in a game like forza rally has been in gran turismo from gt2 on the ps1. turn 10 said that the game was going to be the biggest and best, what happend to that?

lol i have to agree.

regarding the weather, i remember racing the cobra r in the rain in gt3, which was years ago.

i mean come on, forza should've had weather effects even in forza 2.

now forza 3 won't even have it ? that's just terrible, might not be game-breaking but still, theres no reason it shouldn't be there within the game.

turn 10 = fail.

that said, i'm sure it'll still be good regardless.

[sliggo]

well then tell me what game has been far superior to anything already out there on any console and if that was your point why mention ratings and sales at all. Like I said it makes no sense you turned a perfectly legitimate opinion into what seems like a "lets slag Sony exclusives" debate by mentioning no other hyped games like Gears or Halo or Infinite discovery or even Forza itself. You mention ratings yet mention both Killzone and LBP you mention sales yet we are talking about Gran turismo one of the top 20 best selling games of all time, GT prologue (a demo to some) and motorstorm sold more than forza that is what is so confusing here. Why mention these irrelevant things when you could have just said I'll reserve judgement before and my only explaination for you doing so is the one given above.

Let me clear this up for you as you are misunderstanding me , I have not bashed any exclusives, but if you want to tell me Haze is good I will call you a liar.

A couple of my posts actually praise Killzone, mgs, etc. so I dont want you to say im a PS3 hater because Its not true, I bought one on day of release.

back to the point...
I qouted a guy that said wait for GT5, now Im not saying this will not be the best racing game around It may or may not be hence the expression I used I will reserve judgement....which I noticed you used in your post as a cheeky little swipe, clever you.

The guy also goes on to dismiss Forza 3 and other current 360 racing games for no other reason than GT5 is coming out and its going to be the best game ever,ever,ever if you buy in to the hype.

Some games deliver after hype KZ, MGS, some dont Haze, LAIR. and we all know 360 and wii are the same I was using PS3 as an example because he mentioned GT5, The reason for me giving ratings was to say the titles are solid just not as amazing as people expect, nothing to do with sales here at all, simple.

[Cue]

Let me clear this up for you as you are misunderstanding me , I have not bashed any exclusives, but if you want to tell me Haze is good I will call you a liar.

A couple of my posts actually praise Killzone, mgs, etc. so I dont want you to say im a PS3 hater because Its not true, I bought one on day of release.

back to the point...
I qouted a guy that said wait for GT5, now Im not saying this will not be the best racing game around It may or may not be hence the expression I used I will reserve judgement....which I noticed you used in your post as a cheeky little swipe, clever you.

The guy also goes on to dismiss Forza 3 and other current 360 racing games for no other reason than GT5 is coming out and its going to be the best game ever,ever,ever if you buy in to the hype.

Some games deliver after hype KZ, MGS, some dont Haze, LAIR. and we all know 360 and wii are the same I was using PS3 as an example because he mentioned GT5, The reason for me giving ratings was to say the titles are solid just not as amazing as people expect, nothing to do with sales here at all, simple.

perhaps no reason but yes no reason for him to dismiss forza what so ever, other than the title of the topic, you know, the actual topic of this thread. if those werent his reasons why didn't you just ask him "why" instead of dismissing his opinion; you did no better.

I understood your point about reserving judgement which was why I said why didn't you just say that in the first place rather than resorting to this sentence:

when it finally arrives look a little silly when it either bombs or picks up an 80-90% rating. eg. Killzone2, Resistance 2, LAIR, LBP, Infamous, HAZE-how can we forget that one

that is what did not make sense at all and still has not been explained. You mixed those 2 games Killzone and LBP into your list for what reason exactly? sales? reviews? it has to be one of them, right? if it was sales what has that got to do with someones opinion of a game if it was reviews they scored very highly so how can you say it's not what people expected that's their opinion. if it was a misunderstanding then fair enough.

You mention me enjoying HAZE, that was again my earlier point; so what if I did, that would not make me a liar that would be my opinion but no I have not even played it and that is because the general consensus (from reviews) is that it is bad. if I try it I might be one of the few who like it or my tastes might match popular opinion and I think it's garbage, nothing more nothing less. Xenogears V might not be a fan of forza but might enjoy things like GT5:P or Motorstorm which for some reason you say he is not allowed to mention because you think it's average. Like I said an opinion was turned into an altogether different debate, Good day kind sir.