Xbox 360 struggling to fully run Star Ocean according to NeoCrisis

[Zeus]

A number of gamers have reported problems while playing Star Ocean on the Xbox 360. The game freezes up at random times and after some investigation, Neocrisis seems to think they've found the problem - the Xbox 360 has problems with coping with the demands of the game at 1080p.


An article over at Neocrisis has confirmed these problems to be true as the author of the article explained about glitches that had been occuring in his game. He believed it could be a problem with the game and not the Xbox 360 hardware as he had tested it on a number of consoles, including one with a Jasper chip but both tests resulted in the same freezing problem.

An update in the story confirmed however, that the game froze ‘less’ when playing the game in 720p mode, instead of 1080p leading many to believe that the console has problems coping with some of Star Ocean’s demands.


News Source: <a href="http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/03/05/star-ocean-too-much-for-xbox-360-say-neocrisis/" target="_blank">product-reviews.net</a>

[PalmiNio]

Once again news made up without facts and knowledge about Xbox 360.

Since the game is native 720p the game does not run 1080p, the machine may scale it up. The scaler can do this in all 360 games and shouldn't have any effect on the rest of the GPU performance.

The reason for freeze is more due to bad code, mostly because SO 4 is not even close to the most GPU demanding game on 360.

Developers from Japan is not know for beeing the best in coding for adanved GPUs.

So the freezing is just a bug.

Start learning something about 360 before posting, this is just as stupid as the "anit-piracy" news earlier

[ThreeDog]

Once again news made up without facts and knowledge about Xbox 360.

Since the game is native 720p the game does not run 1080p, the machine may scale it up. The scaler can do this in all 360 games and shouldn't have any effect on the rest of the GPU performance.

So why does reducing the resolution reduce the problem and its also said hdd install reduces it further, i agree its buggy and square probably didn't test the game on enough machines but to say its not affecting the gpu/scaling chips performance is just wrong.

[duggyuk]

So why does reducing the resolution reduce the problem and its also said hdd install reduces it further, i agree its buggy and square probably didn't test the game on enough machines but to say its not affecting the gpu/scaling chips performance is just wrong.

Actually YOU are wrong, the scaling in the 360 is done via a dedicated piece of h/w - (HANA/ANA); unlike the ps3 which does it in software). Scaling 720p to 1080p has ZERO impact on performance.

If the issue was H/W then everyone would suffer as we dont all have unique 360's they are all the same.

[mg_k]

Actually YOU are wrong, the scaling in the 360 is done via a dedicated piece of h/w - (HANA/ANA); unlike the ps3 which does it in software). Scaling 720p to 1080p has ZERO impact on performance.

If the issue was H/W then everyone would suffer as we dont all have unique 360's they are all the same.

Dude you didn't address Threedog's question....

I don't care how 360 does its scaling, fact is it crashes less when run on 720P.

Care to explain that smartie?:rolleyes:

[WickedSkin]

It could hardly run Mass Effect.

EPIC game nonetheless! So this "struggling" has been with it for some time now.

[SpiderCyde]

Dude you didn't address Threedog's question....

I don't care how 360 does its scaling, fact is it crashes less when run on 720P.

Care to explain that smartie?:rolleyes:

Bad code. If it can and has run other things in 1080p, it should have no trouble running Star Ocean.

[Appleseed]

Well i thought star ocean was a very beautiful game. However the noticable slowdown occurs at random, and not at specific times such as when you are in a crowded battle (though you do experience slowdown there as well).

I don't think the xbox360 is struggling in any manner on this game, i blame the game engine.

The CPU coupled with the memory is more efficient on the xbox360 than any other console on the market, and the GPU is also a generation above a certain competitor.

[PalmiNio]

Actually YOU are wrong, the scaling in the 360 is done via a dedicated piece of h/w - (HANA/ANA); unlike the ps3 which does it in software). Scaling 720p to 1080p has ZERO impact on performance.

If the issue was H/W then everyone would suffer as we dont all have unique 360's they are all the same.


No HANA/ANA does not handle upscaling, ATI has allready stated that the HW scaling in 360 is done within the GPU.

[mercurius]

Useless news also non proven useless so-called "facts".
The game just runs at lower FPS if there's not enough performance.
It's not like a DoS attack or something like that :rolleyes:

Even at 0.1 FPS the Xbox should not crash, only the game would be unplayable.

Or just try to run 3DMark2006 on your OnBoard graphics of a PC/Notebook... it just runs slow as hell, but it should run stable. If it crashes, your HW sucks or you're too stupid to config your PC.

Common... you don't really believe that "news" ... crash because the xbox runs on 100% and maybe some FPS gets low, because it cannot run faster? *lol*
If there's no power the FPS get low ... and?

[PalmiNio]

So why does reducing the resolution reduce the problem and its also said hdd install reduces it further, i agree its buggy and square probably didn't test the game on enough machines but to say its not affecting the gpu/scaling chips performance is just wrong.

The resolution is not reduced! The game and its engine is 720p no matter what. The game runs in a fixed resolution, the scaling is the only thing thats diffrent.

The game runs 720p no matter if you use 1080p or 720p in the dashboard. When you force 1080p the internal scaler just upscale 720p to 1080p -> THIS DOES NOT MEAN higher resolution, it's just upscaling.

360 can do this with all games since it's hardware and not software like the PS3 And looking at other games we know that there is 0 impact on GPU game preformance due to the fact that Scaling is done in a sperate part of the GPU.

So what's wrong in this case? Can't give you a straight answe, but since its lockups aka freezing it's not a question of struggling GPU but more in some code that freezes the GPU.

Looking at a far more demanfing game like GoW2 that manage to do 720p and upscaled 1080p without freezing we know that the power of the GPU is not the problem in SO 4 when upscaled.

A troubled GPU should not freeze more often when scaling, it should slow down significaly.

So the UPSCALING do not have an impact on the GPU. This games does NOT run in 1080p, the 360 can UPSCALE it 1080p.

If thsi artical had some good knowledge on the matter the would have messaured the FPS rate on the same scenes in both 1080p and 720p mode an run it for like 20 times to get good results. Know it's just an assumption that when switching to 1080p in the dashboard the game seems to freeze more, not much science behind that.

Not saying they are lying but the clearly lack knowledge on how the game runs in terms of resolution, how the 360 handels scaling and how to test their theory in a more good way.

[pezjono]

Running on 1080P here and I have completed the entire first disc without any freezing. Couple of times it has taken like 6 seconds (as opposed to 2 or 3) to load a fight, but then again that is running off DVD (not installed to the hard drive).

On a side note, I can't believe how fast the game loads! You click your save and it is literally 5 seconds until your game is fully loaded and that's off DVD!

[ThreeDog]

guys i just had a slight of words i know how the upscaling is handled give me a break im at work and posted between clients, maybe it should of said
So why does reducing the 'screen resolution' reduce the problem and its also said hdd install reduces it further

some people are running this game fine, the people with problems are finding that running the game at 1280x720 instead of 1920x1200 or 1650x1050 so why is this. now don't be so quick to flame please if you don't know the answer.

If the issue was H/W then everyone would suffer as we dont all have unique 360's they are all the same.

So i guess the different hardware revisions or board layouts don't count? I guess ps3's with hardware bc vs partial/software/no bc didn't have problems with lack of testing either huh? :rolleyes:

Last point, does raising the screen resolution from 1280x1024 to 1920x1200 have an impact on a pc GPU's performance? ofc it bloody does even if the texture resolution doesn't change!

[medski]

Well i thought star ocean was a very beautiful game. However the noticable slowdown occurs at random, and not at specific times such as when you are in a crowded battle (though you do experience slowdown there as well).

I don't think the xbox360 is struggling in any manner on this game, i blame the game engine.

The CPU coupled with the memory is more efficient on the xbox360 than any other console on the market, and the GPU is also a generation above a certain competitor.

You and other xboy fanboys on this forum are pathetic. I love how you have to try so hard to defend your precious xbox from any bad news that comes! Oh it's not the code, the 360 has the best hardware out there! Perhaps it's the most efficient hardware at failing? You are quick to persecute others for owning a PS3 or any other hardware, and why? Does it really hurt you so deeply that I prefer the specs, features, looks of the PS3 and its games. Does me enjoying it thoroughly hamper your enjoyment of your console? This console war is so lame! Play the games you want on your system and shut up. Trying to elevate your purchase decision by trying to bring down others is the most ridiculous thing ever. Did you forget that playing games is supposed to be about having fun, undwinding, escaping into an interactive world just for a bit, and not about debating which console is best. It's all a matter of opinion. To me the PS3 offered a bluray player and a complete package with all the features I needed, albeit at a higher cost. For some people the Microsoft model of buying basic hardware, and adding hard drives, wireless adapter (HD-DVD while it lasted), makes more sense, so all the power to you. I am just amazed by the quality of good games out there, and if I had more time and money I'd play some of the best 360 titles, but I honestly have too many games as it stands to get through on my PS3. Anyone who still argues about which is better, is a complete moron, so I will think that much of you any time I read it on this site!

Factoring a comparison with the PS3 has nothing to do with why this game runs crappy. Both consoles have hardware that is better at doing certain things so your "meticulous" (sarcasm) hardware analysis is for the most part you talking straight out of your ass and entirely irrelevant to this topic.

[sirxlaughs]

some people are running this game fine, the people with problems are finding that running the game at 1280x720 instead of 1920x1200 or 1650x1050 so why is this. now don't be so quick to flame please if you don't know the answer.

Issues with software can explain this. The game wasn't developed by Square. Look at the last mess Square published on the 360 (Last Remnant or something). Square has been in bed with Sony for a long time. It'll take a little getting used to.


So i guess the different hardware revisions or board layouts don't count? I guess ps3's with hardware bc vs partial/software/no bc didn't have problems with lack of testing either huh? :rolleyes:

The hardware revisions are not so different that they would impact the game (unless people are having issues with the really old Xenos and Zephyr models). One revision added a heatsink and a new HDMI scalar. Then they shrunk the CPU. Now they've also shrunken the GPU. That's it. There weren't any massive "board layouts" redone.

Last point, does raising the screen resolution from 1280x1024 to 1920x1200 have an impact on a pc GPU's performance? ofc it bloody does even if the texture resolution doesn't change!

Yes, it does. The reason why it doesn't on the 360 is b/c of the scalar. That was a big decision for Microsoft to add it in.

[ThreeDog]

Well i thought star ocean was a very beautiful game. However the noticable slowdown occurs at random, and not at specific times such as when you are in a crowded battle (though you do experience slowdown there as well).

I don't think the xbox360 is struggling in any manner on this game, i blame the game engine.

Not that this is the same engine but i had slowdown problems in battle scenes in the last remnant especially the first battle they were helped a little by hdd install.
Im wondering if this is a problem with squares advice to tri-ace or a problem with the infinite undisovery engine in general.

Thanks for the nice reply sixlaughs, was it also true that the memory chips have been reduced and increased between 2 and 4 chips between 360 board revisions too? so hard to keep track of like the xbox 1, i think we're at the 5th revision with jasper now right? v1 v2 v3 v3.1 v4 :D

[DEDDOA]

Just sounds like buggy code to me, if so there will likley be a patch in the works to fix the problem of the freezing. The game hasn't been out long, so I am not at all suprised that if it is a probelm that can be patched, that it hasn't been fixed yet.

[DEDDOA]

You and other xboy fanboys on this forum are pathetic. I love how you have to try so hard to defend your precious xbox from any bad news that comes! Oh it's not the code, the 360 has the best hardware out there! Perhaps it's the most efficient hardware at failing? You are quick to persecute others for owning a PS3 or any other hardware, and why? Does it really hurt you so deeply that I prefer the specs, features, looks of the PS3 and its games. Does me enjoying it thoroughly hamper your enjoyment of your console? This console war is so lame! Play the games you want on your system and shut up. Trying to elevate your purchase decision by trying to bring down others is the most ridiculous thing ever. Did you forget that playing games is supposed to be about having fun, undwinding, escaping into an interactive world just for a bit, and not about debating which console is best. It's all a matter of opinion. To me the PS3 offered a bluray player and a complete package with all the features I needed, albeit at a higher cost. For some people the Microsoft model of buying basic hardware, and adding hard drives, wireless adapter (HD-DVD while it lasted), makes more sense, so all the power to you. I am just amazed by the quality of good games out there, and if I had more time and money I'd play some of the best 360 titles, but I honestly have too many games as it stands to get through on my PS3. Anyone who still argues about which is better, is a complete moron, so I will think that much of you any time I read it on this site!

Factoring a comparison with the PS3 has nothing to do with why this game runs crappy. Both consoles have hardware that is better at doing certain things so your "meticulous" (sarcasm) hardware analysis is for the most part you talking straight out of your ass and entirely irrelevant to this topic.

You were on a loosing streak by the start of the second sentence. You started by accusing 360 fanboys of being pathetic, then go on to produce a wall of PS3 fanboy rant text, seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black. If you like your toy, you shouldn't be upset because someone else doesn't and shouldn't be upset that they like another toy. If you don't like what others say, then ignore it, pretty simple, unless you are int he mood for a good arguement/discussion :)

[sirxlaughs]

Thanks for the nice reply sixlaughs, was it also true that the memory chips have been reduced and increased between 2 and 4 chips between 360 board revisions too? so hard to keep track of like the xbox 1, i think we're at the 5th revision with jasper now right? v1 v2 v3 v3.1 v4 :D

Don't quote me on it, but I remember reading something about the memory chips on the bottom of the board disappearing.

[aceboomer]

I've already put 40+ hours into this game and have not had a single freeze issue yet. I am playing from the hard drive. I have a jasper 360. so that may be one reason as well.

[kneehighspy]

You and other xboy fanboys on this forum are pathetic. I love how you have to try so hard to defend your precious xbox from any bad news that comes! Oh it's not the code, the 360 has the best hardware out there! Perhaps it's the most efficient hardware at failing? You are quick to persecute others for owning a PS3 or any other hardware, and why? Does it really hurt you so deeply that I prefer the specs, features, looks of the PS3 and its games. Does me enjoying it thoroughly hamper your enjoyment of your console? This console war is so lame! Play the games you want on your system and shut up. Trying to elevate your purchase decision by trying to bring down others is the most ridiculous thing ever. Did you forget that playing games is supposed to be about having fun, undwinding, escaping into an interactive world just for a bit, and not about debating which console is best. It's all a matter of opinion. To me the PS3 offered a bluray player and a complete package with all the features I needed, albeit at a higher cost. For some people the Microsoft model of buying basic hardware, and adding hard drives, wireless adapter (HD-DVD while it lasted), makes more sense, so all the power to you. I am just amazed by the quality of good games out there, and if I had more time and money I'd play some of the best 360 titles, but I honestly have too many games as it stands to get through on my PS3. Anyone who still argues about which is better, is a complete moron, so I will think that much of you any time I read it on this site!

Factoring a comparison with the PS3 has nothing to do with why this game runs crappy. Both consoles have hardware that is better at doing certain things so your "meticulous" (sarcasm) hardware analysis is for the most part you talking straight out of your ass and entirely irrelevant to this topic.


did you just not post a comparison? also, perhaps some of the issues with this title is possibly hardware based and / or software based. we all know that the 360 has had a terrible rep for hardware. perhaps some gpus are slightly faulty and the sloppy coding is causing random freezing and pauses. i've seen faulty components do this before.

seems to me the folks here defending the 360 are no different than every other thread with ps3 owners doing the same. the only ones that really aren't bitching are the ones who own both (as i do), i'm playing kz2 and it pauses 'alot' during play for loading or saving and it's very distracting, but it's still a good game.

[kneehighspy]

You were on a loosing streak by the start of the second sentence. You started by accusing 360 fanboys of being pathetic, then go on to produce a wall of PS3 fanboy rant text, seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black. If you like your toy, you shouldn't be upset because someone else doesn't and shouldn't be upset that they like another toy. If you don't like what others say, then ignore it, pretty simple, unless you are int he mood for a good arguement/discussion :)


heh, you beat me to the point and post :)

[QrafTee]

I guess I'll wait for the game to be brought over to the Playstation 3... if ever. I still have Second Evolution to finish.

[xsam34]

I didn't notice no problems playing this game on 1080p tv or on my monitor.:)

[duggyuk]

No HANA/ANA does not handle upscaling, ATI has allready stated that the HW scaling in 360 is done within the GPU.

Well either ATI is lying or Microsoft are see here (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2007/01/headstart.ars/2) :D

[duggyuk]

So i guess the different hardware revisions or board layouts don't count? I guess ps3's with hardware bc vs partial/software/no bc didn't have problems with lack of testing either huh? :rolleyes:


No they don't because they work the same, the h/w has no bugs that would cause this to happen, if it did we'd know about it long ago. :rolleyes:


Last point, does raising the screen resolution from 1280x1024 to 1920x1200 have an impact on a pc GPU's performance? ofc it bloody does even if the texture resolution doesn't change!

It does on a PC because the PC does not have a scaling ability in h/w as implemented on the 360 :D

[faceless]

Actually YOU are wrong, the scaling in the 360 is done via a dedicated piece of h/w - (HANA/ANA); unlike the ps3 which does it in software). Scaling 720p to 1080p has ZERO impact on performance.

If the issue was H/W then everyone would suffer as we dont all have unique 360's they are all the same.

actually, you are wrong, ANA/HANA just does video output, the GPU does the scaling.

the MS PR people parading around with ANA/HANa were just doing PR work.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/hardware-test-xbox-360-elite-review?page=2

[SpiderCyde]

hmm..I'd almost bet that the people with older 360's where the gpu / rrod issue was apparent are the ones which are probably having issues. It's probably far less apparent on the newer skus like the re5 edition, etc. It may be a combination of bad code, and older, bad hardware. On a side note, SlickDeals.com has really good 360 deals at the moment from dell. Can get an elite for like $315 or so.

[ThreeDog]

No they don't because they work the same, the h/w has no bugs that would cause this to happen, if it did we'd know about it long ago. :rolleyes:

It does on a PC because the PC does not have a scaling ability in h/w as implemented on the 360 :D

Lol you just keep trying and keep getting slapped down, go to bed kiddo.
Anyone would think you have something invested in this while the rest of us are just trying to figure out wtf is wrong with this game.

[pezjono]

hmm..I'd almost bet that the people with older 360's where the gpu / rrod issue was apparent are the ones which are probably having issues. It's probably far less apparent on the newer skus like the re5 edition, etc. It may be a combination of bad code, and older, bad hardware. On a side note, SlickDeals.com has really good 360 deals at the moment from dell. Can get an elite for like $315 or so.

I don't want to further the fanboy ranting, but thought I would like to add:

I have launch console that got RRoD. I replaced the xclamps and everything has been good since. Ran all the way through the first disc with no issues. (Not saying you are wrong, just saying I am good).

[medski]

I'm glad the jist of my message was lost by one joke I made! I cannot make a joke, everyone is suddenly so high and mighty? Perhaps do yourselves a favour and reread what I wrote without being fixed too much on my little tease. I even give praise to the 360 for having some good titles that I would like to play if I had the time and money to spare, but I don't!. So if you think I am actually succumbing to the level of the moron who argues which is better, go back to elementary school and learn how to read an entire paragraph without getting distracted. People really need to learn to lighten up! It's no wonder such pathetic console wars ensue. Go outside and get a good whiff of fresh air and maybe go for a walk to calm down that inner beast just waiting to hang on every word only to miss the overall context.

[solidunit]

Played for the first 10 hours at 1080p, no problems whatsoever. In fact, most of the time its pretty damn smooth. Seriously! I own all three systems so no bias here.

[DanASBO]

To be fair, the 360 has problems "fully" running any game. :)

[Appleseed]

You and other xboy fanboys on this forum are pathetic. I love how you have to try so hard to defend your precious xbox from any bad news that comes! Oh it's not the code, the 360 has the best hardware out there! Perhaps it's the most efficient hardware at failing? You are quick to persecute others for owning a PS3 or any other hardware, and why? Does it really hurt you so deeply that I prefer the specs, features, looks of the PS3 and its games. Does me enjoying it thoroughly hamper your enjoyment of your console? This console war is so lame! Play the games you want on your system and shut up. Trying to elevate your purchase decision by trying to bring down others is the most ridiculous thing ever. Did you forget that playing games is supposed to be about having fun, undwinding, escaping into an interactive world just for a bit, and not about debating which console is best. It's all a matter of opinion. To me the PS3 offered a bluray player and a complete package with all the features I needed, albeit at a higher cost. For some people the Microsoft model of buying basic hardware, and adding hard drives, wireless adapter (HD-DVD while it lasted), makes more sense, so all the power to you. I am just amazed by the quality of good games out there, and if I had more time and money I'd play some of the best 360 titles, but I honestly have too many games as it stands to get through on my PS3. Anyone who still argues about which is better, is a complete moron, so I will think that much of you any time I read it on this site!

Factoring a comparison with the PS3 has nothing to do with why this game runs crappy. Both consoles have hardware that is better at doing certain things so your "meticulous" (sarcasm) hardware analysis is for the most part you talking straight out of your ass and entirely irrelevant to this topic.

Wow, do i tell you to shut up and leave it be or should i tell you i own 4 xbox360's, 2 ps3's, 2 nintendo wii's and at least 2 of each console from the previous generations. WHY so many? well....i have more than one room and more uses for each console. (People who know me personally off of this website have seen them, be it on webcam or in person). Anyhow. Leave it.

[msanchez]

I would assume it's more due to the code, sloppy, not optimized well, whatever. Since, unlike many of you, I wasn't part of the 360 h/w dev team I can't really be sure, but if there's other games that run properly and this one doesn't, then I would assume it's the game that has the issue. Well if there's a ps3 release, I do hope they iron out any of these problems.

[wpc]

LOL i cant wait to see whats gonna happen on ff13 when it comes out:D

[0kensai0]

Being a PS3 fan myself(and not owning a Xbox360), I have no idea how the hardware in the Xbox is handling the "next gen" games.

But one thing though, usually when there are problems with running a game i.e. freezing or crashing., its as much a software problem as a harware one.

I think the company is most likely putting the most common reply rather than actually looking to see if their codes are actually streamlined for the system. You make games to run on a system, you don't build a console to cater for every game

[ThreeDog]

LOL i cant wait to see whats gonna happen on ff13 when it comes out:D

Noooooooooooooooooooooo don't you even dare think that!
Funniest comment in thread :D

[zymologist]

rant rant rant rant rant. I'm so much holier than thou, bow down before my unbiasedness. rant rant rant

shuddap will ya, we've heard it all before

[DSnoob]

The best my tv can handle is 1080i, which is what i run it on, I've had no problems with it.

-Edit-

Not sure if this was covered or not, but are you sure it has nothing to do with just the Hardware version? if anyone remembers, Star Ocean 3 Had a similar-ish problem, where it wouldn't run at all on Older/Launch Consoles, that's why director's cut was released, it wouldn't be entirely impossible that the game was made with the newer hardware versions in mind, even if the specs are the same, it doesn't change the fact that hardware is different, even if numbers are the same, things are changed.

[NewBeginning]

I'm glad the jist of my message was lost by one joke I made! I cannot make a joke, everyone is suddenly so high and mighty? Perhaps do yourselves a favour and reread what I wrote without being fixed too much on my little tease. I even give praise to the 360 for having some good titles that I would like to play if I had the time and money to spare, but I don't!. So if you think I am actually succumbing to the level of the moron who argues which is better, go back to elementary school and learn how to read an entire paragraph without getting distracted. People really need to learn to lighten up! It's no wonder such pathetic console wars ensue. Go outside and get a good whiff of fresh air and maybe go for a walk to calm down that inner beast just waiting to hang on every word only to miss the overall context.

Wow, that was a pretty long "joke" you posted back there.

Sounds like nerd rage to me.

Look, I can do it too.

The Playstation 3 is a real turd considering the price. It forced a Bluray player on me that I didn't want, and it doesn't even play my Playstation/Playstation 2 games, because they had to remove that feature to lower the price to an "affordable" $400. At least half of the exclusive titles are a let down, and most of the third-party games are inferior to the competition's versions. To top it off, it's marketed as a cutting-edge high-definition experience, and yet comes with regular a/v cables! Talk about choice. That said, there are a couple good exclusives I'd like to play, like Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword, but I can't afford to have both an Xbox 360 and a Playstation 3.

See what I did there? I wrote a bunch of bullshit about the system, but it was a joke, and it's okay because I said one nice thing about one of the games at the end.

I'm glad that I went to skool, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to type all that.

EDIT: Those remarks aren't how I feel about the PS3, except for the a/v cable part.

[doxology]

didn't the guy from ibm say the PS3 cpu and 360 cpu where more or less on equal footing for games? and isn't the 360's gpu genereally considered better than the PS3's? so shouldn't the 360 run games just as well as they would be done on the PS3? i don't like looking at things as bias. what if its just a bug? then fighting over this is stupid. why can't gamers ever act civil and level headed instead of acting like 12 year olds?

[duggyuk]

Lol you just keep trying and keep getting slapped down, go to bed kiddo.
Anyone would think you have something invested in this while the rest of us are just trying to figure out wtf is wrong with this game.

Hah, I'd slim chance of that based level of technical prowess you've shown thus far :D

[ku16610]

didn't the guy from ibm say the PS3 cpu and 360 cpu where more or less on equal footing for games? and isn't the 360's gpu genereally considered better than the PS3's? so shouldn't the 360 run games just as well as they would be done on the PS3? i don't like looking at things as bias. what if its just a bug? then fighting over this is stupid. why can't gamers ever act civil and level headed instead of acting like 12 year olds?

I think its more the fact that if it was ps3 based game the forum would be full of xbox fanboy comments , so possibly the "sony massive" are just getting there revenge. The key to it is to just read the articles and not the forum posts.

[mercurius]

>_>" too many ppl in this forum w/o any knowledge about SW/HW ... and still trying to bullshit around.

Like hell an application these days will crash because of insufficient HW power. It'll just have slow downs.
Try it yourself and run WinXP/Vista on 128 MB Ram, or start 3DMark2006 on any onboard graphics solution. Everything should run super stable, but super slow.
If a system crashes, the programm code is buggy or your HW is damaged, or getting too hot or something like that.

Okey there are DoS attacks and stuff, but that's offtopic... *lol*

[ku16610]

>_>" too many ppl in this forum w/o any knowledge about SW/HW ... and still trying to bullshit around.

Like hell an application these days will crash because of insufficient HW power. It'll just have slow downs.
Try it yourself and run WinXP/Vista on 128 MB Ram, or start 3DMark2006 on any onboard graphics solution. Everything should run super stable, but super slow.
If a system crashes, the programm code is buggy or your HW is damaged, or getting too hot or something like that.

Okay there are DoS attacks and stuff, but that's offtopic... *lol*

LMAO this comment is totally dumb , the reason a program will run with 128 mb of ram is because windowx xp has reserved big chunk of hdd space to use as a paging file.

consoles dont have paging ram to hdd options , when you run out of ram you get a crash plain and simple.

[mercurius]

LMAO this comment is totally dumb , the reason a program will run with 128 mb of ram is because windowx xp has reserved big chunk of hdd space to use as a paging file.

consoles dont have paging ram to hdd options , when you run out of ram you get a crash plain and simple.

LMAO this comment is totally dumb... same here :P
IF SO4 would page too much ram, this would be bad code, and not some HW issue, since the programmers know that ram is limited.

Additionally to that my comment was about that "limited HW power" issue mentioned in the news, not about some bufferoverflow-crash-example which is quite obvious. Sorry for giving such imprecise examples which you missunderstand.

Like I said the system itself should run stable, just bad SW Code f***-up everything. Regardless if theres a temp paging file like in WinXP or not like it is in the case of the Xbox. If theres not enough HW power, you just get slow downs. If there are not enough HW ressources thats something else, but since they are predefined on gameing consoles the programmer has to take care of those limits.

[DEDDOA]

I'm glad the jist of my message was lost by one joke I made! I cannot make a joke, everyone is suddenly so high and mighty? Perhaps do yourselves a favour and reread what I wrote without being fixed too much on my little tease. I even give praise to the 360 for having some good titles that I would like to play if I had the time and money to spare, but I don't!. So if you think I am actually succumbing to the level of the moron who argues which is better, go back to elementary school and learn how to read an entire paragraph without getting distracted. People really need to learn to lighten up! It's no wonder such pathetic console wars ensue. Go outside and get a good whiff of fresh air and maybe go for a walk to calm down that inner beast just waiting to hang on every word only to miss the overall context.

Sounds more like you are now aware of what a fanboy rant you had in the original post, that you have now decided to claim it was joke to save face. If it was an attempt at humour you did indeed hide it very well as I can't see an ounce of it anywhere beyond the first the start of the second sentence which is the start of the hypocritical rant. As in fair enough first sentence you have a go at 360 fanboys, then right away you do the same as you claim they do, that was ammusing tho I doubt it was intentional.

If it was indeed truely a joke, then maybe you ought to get a dictionary and look up humour, irony and satire amoungst others, as there was none of that in what you wrote to in anyway indicate it was meant to be a micky take. each to there own tho

[ThreeDog]

Hah, I'd slim chance of that based level of technical prowess you've shown thus far :D

Heh, i offered one explanation and missed a word that was the only technical i gave i also asked questions not claiming to know all the answers, you sir just wanted to be a ***** while claiming to know what you were talking about

[DanASBO]

My previous comment still stands. :)

[ZetaEdge]

once again 360 showing its true potential :D:D:D:D



this is where SE will come and make a superior port for PS3

[Anil8tr]

once again 360 showing its true potential :D:D:D:D

I couldn't have said it better!

I know where I want to go for my RPGs. And it isn't the PS3 (unless I'm playing PS2 games). Yet another great game on the 360. 30 hours in on disc 1 for me with not one issue running off the hard drive. Some annoying voice acting from some characters is my only complaint 'kay. But, that's what mute buttons are for.

The PS3 can keep getting table scraps from the 360 if they don't want to recapture being an RPG powerhouse again. Keep on doing what you are doing Sony if you're content with your current status quo.

[medski]

Wow, that was a pretty long "joke" you posted back there.

Sounds like nerd rage to me.

Look, I can do it too.

The Playstation 3 is a real turd considering the price. It forced a Bluray player on me that I didn't want, and it doesn't even play my Playstation/Playstation 2 games, because they had to remove that feature to lower the price to an "affordable" $400. At least half of the exclusive titles are a let down, and most of the third-party games are inferior to the competition's versions. To top it off, it's marketed as a cutting-edge high-definition experience, and yet comes with regular a/v cables! Talk about choice. That said, there are a couple good exclusives I'd like to play, like Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword, but I can't afford to have both an Xbox 360 and a Playstation 3.

See what I did there? I wrote a bunch of bullshit about the system, but it was a joke, and it's okay because I said one nice thing about one of the games at the end.

I'm glad that I went to skool, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to type all that.

EDIT: Those remarks aren't how I feel about the PS3, except for the a/v cable part.


My goodness you are a moron! I took a small dig at the RRoD issue (the intent of which was a joke, but clearly that is lost on people) in the second line of my first post and people immediately jumped onto this and started calling my a hypocrite, a fanboy, etc although they neglected to read the rest of my post. Some of you people are truly retarded. I made the point that fanboyism is absolutely moronic and I contrasted why one console might suit* one person, and the other suit the other better! All a matter of opinion. I said it before and I will say it again, it doesn't matter what console you own, enjoy it and stop trying to bash others purchase decision to try to heighten yours and delude yourself into thinking you are a superior human being for which console you purchased. I said game consoles were meant to entertain not create pathetic, meaningless arguments for why you were right to buy one or the other. If you bought both or all, that's great. But trying to argue with me that I am a hypocrite or a fanboy, makes you just as idiotic as the run of the mill console fanboy. Why? Well, because you truly did miss the point of all my posts because you are so myopic and cannot get over your feelings of hurt from my tease that you lack any appreciation for the overall context of my message which stated arguing over the superior console is a meaningless exercise in stupidity. One should not bash another's purchase decision to make themselves look better. Both consoles are great and play great, and what someone else chose should in no way impact the amount of entertainment you get from your system.

Still confused?

[dsav]

The PS3 can keep getting table scraps from the 360 if they don't want to recapture being an RPG powerhouse again. Keep on doing what you are doing Sony if you're content with your current status quo.


lol........