MS charging $100 to fix Xbox 360's bricked by NXE?

[Zeus]

One gamer is claiming that Microsoft is asking for $100 to fix his Xbox 360 that was bricked after installing the New Xbox Experience. Many gamers have apparently received an error code after the NXE install.

News Source: <a href="http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/691132/New_Xbox_Experience_Breaking_Consoles_MS_Wants_100 _To_Fix.html" target=_blank">g4tv</a>

[Jinx13378]

One gamer is claiming that Microsoft is asking for $100 to fix his Xbox 360 that was bricked after installing the New Xbox Experience. Many gamers have apparently received an error code after the NXE install.

News Source: <a href="http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/691132/New_Xbox_Experience_Breaking_Consoles_MS_Wants_100 _To_Fix.html" target=_blank">g4tv</a>


It only bricks if you tampered with the e-fuse (which is naturally blown during some earlier update in order to restrict downgrading the console to an exploitable kernel).

[panyan1991]

It only bricks if you tampered with the e-fuse

explain in english please

[Jinx13378]

explain in english please

A simplistic, short explanation:
Xbox360 is exploitable on a very old firmware version. Exploitable as in "homebrew enabled". MS found out, they included some special procedure in the update which blows a special fuse on the motherboard (e-fuse).

People with older 360's found a way to keep the fuse in-tact (by removing a particular resistor from the MB).

It seems that if you have the resistor removed while installing the nXe - it bricks giving you an E80 error.

In other words: the problem of bricking can only get to you if you do some really hardcore modding on purpose.

[Taft]

Thanks for the info Jinx

[wiggim]

so in laymens terms.. use your infectus to backup the current firmware before installing NXE, if you pulled T6R3 I think it is - little 0402 resistor.

I guess I got lucky, err, kinda. I pulled the e-fuse on my unit and it 3RLOD JUUST before I was about to update... now I know not to update that one if I ever get it working again.

[Jinx13378]

so in laymens terms.. use your infectus to backup the current firmware before installing NXE, if you pulled T6R3 I think it is - little 0402 resistor.

I guess I got lucky, err, kinda. I pulled the e-fuse on my unit and it 3RLOD JUUST before I was about to update... now I know not to update that one if I ever get it working again.

wiggim, I wouldn't know because I didn't tamper with it myself.

You could try checking this thread out though:

http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=10565.0

[Jason Voorhees]

It only bricks if you tampered with the e-fuse (which is naturally blown during some earlier update in order to restrict downgrading the console to an exploitable kernel).

this is what mod chips are for.

[Goukihoshi]

There are a number of eFuses within the
360, if I believe they're all located within
the CPU itself.

What some people do to prevent eFuses
from blowing is to remove a certain resitor
named R6T3 which effectively prevents
updates from blowing any further fuses.
This comes in handy when experimenting/
switching between different dash versions.

The NXE update is the first which actually
checked if an eFuse got blown during the
update. People with R6T3 removed will
get an error that way.

Check xboxhacker's forums for more
accurate info.

[cntknckdhstl]

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
I was playing midnight club on the 18th
woke up and updated my xbox and now it doesnt work PERIOD

I get a E80 message
argue with 18004 myxbox for 2 hours and was told 2 times that i would have to pay 90 dollars because my xbox is outta warranty !!!!!!!!

i dont have 90 dollars for something they broke
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
its a recession

[funktion]

Wait ? if its 3Rlods are you sure its this efuse thing ?
even if it is, what happened to the 3 year warrenty ?

[iLLNESS]

I get a E80 message
argue with 18004 myxbox for 2 hours and was told 2 times that i would have to pay 90 dollars because my xbox is outta warranty !!!!!!!!
its a recession

so what your telling us is.. your box updated to NXE while you werent using it.. AND you got an error message that only people tampering with the 360 gets.. yet you've never touched it..

sounds like you updated it willingly.. and you've got yourself a used box :)

[iLLNESS]

It only bricks if you tampered with the e-fuse (which is naturally blown during some earlier update in order to restrict downgrading the console to an exploitable kernel).

its a good thing you posted this info.. otherwise we woulda had a bunch of ps3 idiots in here going on about rrod and how this is crappy hw etc..... and then have you say this after embarassing them...
well.. maybe that woulda been a more interesting situation

[iLLNESS]

Wait ? if its 3Rlods are you sure its this efuse thing ?
even if it is, what happened to the 3 year warrenty ?

3yr warranty only covers RROD and GPU/CPU related errors... that means no dead lasers... and no E80 due to efuse errors

damn 3posts ahaha

[panyan1991]

A simplistic, short explanation:
Xbox360 is exploitable on a very old firmware version. Exploitable as in "homebrew enabled". MS found out, they included some special procedure in the update which blows a special fuse on the motherboard (e-fuse).

People with older 360's found a way to keep the fuse in-tact (by removing a particular resistor from the MB).

It seems that if you have the resistor removed while installing the nXe - it bricks giving you an E80 error.

In other words: the problem of bricking can only get to you if you do some really hardcore modding on purpose.

oh right, thanks

[Cue]

so what your telling us is.. your box updated to NXE while you werent using it.. AND you got an error message that only people tampering with the 360 gets.. yet you've never touched it..

sounds like you updated it willingly.. and you've got yourself a used box :)

What? He blatantly says "I woke up and updated" who said anything about it doing it without him knowning.

[dwrecording]

More fan boy ****! lets take a pole My install worked 100%. OK LET THE POLES BEGIN.

[Jason Voorhees]

Wait ? if its 3Rlods are you sure its this efuse thing ?
even if it is, what happened to the 3 year warrenty ?

what ever happened that?

[rupter13612]

People are always claiming that the updates brakes their consoles. It doesn't matter if it's a 360 or a PS3. I wouldn't be surprised if they were already broken and trying to use the update as an excuse to get a free repair job. "Oh no, I just updated my 360 and now I got the rrod!" Yeah right, whatever.

[cory149]

Believe it or not, but misflashes can and do happen even if the eFuse isn't tampered with. Most misflashes can be fixed via clearing the partial flash, but components in the chain up to the NAND still fail and lose tolerance from what they were originally made to (even more so in a high heat environment.)

[Mchief298]

People are always claiming that the updates brakes their consoles. It doesn't matter if it's a 360 or a PS3. I wouldn't be surprised if they were already broken and trying to use the update as an excuse to get a free repair job. "Oh no, I just updated my 360 and now I got the rrod!" Yeah right, whatever.

agreed... >.>

however maybe if they'd not mess around with their dashboards... then they may have been saved xD

[QrafTee]

Microsoft is a very profitable company... why? Because they know how to make money off their customers. I have to give it to Microsoft... they know business in-and-out.

[pCeSlAyEr]

Wait ? if its 3Rlods are you sure its this efuse thing ?
even if it is, what happened to the 3 year warrenty ?

You do know how a warranty works don't you?

They are only valid if the console is NOT tampered with, and obviously if you are removing resistors you are tampering with the console.

[wiggim]

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
I was playing midnight club on the 18th
woke up and updated my xbox and now it doesnt work PERIOD

I get a E80 message
argue with 18004 myxbox for 2 hours and was told 2 times that i would have to pay 90 dollars because my xbox is outta warranty !!!!!!!!

i dont have 90 dollars for something they broke
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
its a recession

dude, presuming this is all true...
Someone didn't want to blow e-fuses who owned it before you.

so, find a 10k 0402 resistor (SMT style) or ANY 10k resistor really.. smaller the better tho.

now
get a torex 10 and a torex 8 screwdriver. disassemble the console completely.
now you have a mainboard, flip it over.
look for this spot, R6T3, and affix the 10k resistor.

http://www.360mods.net/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/efuse/r6t3.jpg

it don't matter which way, resistors are passive. just one end to one side, the other to the other side. make sure its insulated/protected from shorting to the case, theres not a lot of clearance.

If you are not good at soldering (its easy to re-attach) get a friend who is good to do it for you, takes literally 6 seconds to do.

Now your xbox should boot again, and it will save you around $89

[Neptune]

Wait ? if its 3Rlods are you sure its this efuse thing ?
even if it is, what happened to the 3 year warrenty ?

The last of the "3 year" launch warranties expired a day after NXE.

[KainXS]

The last of the "3 year" launch warranties expired a day after NXE.

yup, now if your 360 dies ur fuked if ithe original 360 you bought was a launch 360

sucks for me, gotta be careful and get some aftermarket cooling now:(

and this is how they screwed everyone, if they gave a lifetime warranty on rrods that would've been great but they gave 3 years, and if you sent it in for repair they still make money because they replace ur 360 with a refurbished one, and then refurbish your old 360 and either sell it as new(recertified) or give it to someone else, but after 3 years when your 360 dies regaurdless of how many times you rma it, u still will have to buy another 360 or pay for repair and this is where their profit will come from.

and I fully understand and accept that because they will still take losses from people who purposely rrod their 360 and it will all even out in the end anyway.

[dwrecording]

dude, presuming this is all true...
Someone didn't want to blow e-fuses who owned it before you.

so, find a 10k 0402 resistor (SMT style) or ANY 10k resistor really.. smaller the better tho.

now
get a torex 10 and a torex 8 screwdriver. disassemble the console completely.
now you have a mainboard, flip it over.
look for this spot, R6T3, and affix the 10k resistor.

http://www.360mods.net/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/efuse/r6t3.jpg

it don't matter which way, resistors are passive. just one end to one side, the other to the other side. make sure its insulated/protected from shorting to the case, theres not a lot of clearance.

If you are not good at soldering (its easy to re-attach) get a friend who is good to do it for you, takes literally 6 seconds to do.

Now your xbox should boot again, and it will save you around $89


Or just buy the fucking games and they would not be so much money any more. Why do you think they are so much (PEOPLE STEAL THEM). I only play 2-3 games every 6-7 months i think you can spend 100$ every 6-7 months to get a few new games.

[dwrecording]

yup, now if your 360 dies ur fuked if ithe original 360 you bought was a launch 360

sucks for me, gotta be careful and get some aftermarket cooling now:(

and this is how they screwed everyone, if they gave a lifetime warranty on rrods that would've been great but they gave 3 years, and if you sent it in for repair they still make money because they replace ur 360 with a refurbished one, and then refurbish your old 360 and either sell it as new(recertified) or give it to someone else, but after 3 years when your 360 dies regaurdless of how many times you rma it, u still will have to buy another 360 or pay for repair and this is where their profit will come from.

and I fully understand and accept that because they will still take losses from people who purposely rrod their 360 and it will all even out in the end anyway.


They took it from 1 year to 3 for free and you still ***** many come on. Also every time you send in your 360 you get 1 more year on the one they send back to you. Its covered. They are doing a good thing and people still *****. Boo hoo i hate MS then get a fucking PS3 and ***** how much there online sucks ass and the **** store. My Bluray movies skip all the time froze up last night over and over and it was a new disk and a new 60gig PS3 about 2 month old after my 6 month old 80gig died. I hate to say but my 360 has been good to me and the Ps3 had been a pain in the ass. Do not get me started on LBP online and socom! Even COD kicks you from the game all the time.

[sjkhounk]

yup, now if your 360 dies ur fuked if ithe original 360 you bought was a launch 360

sucks for me, gotta be careful and get some aftermarket cooling now:(

and this is how they screwed everyone, if they gave a lifetime warranty on rrods that would've been great but they gave 3 years, and if you sent it in for repair they still make money because they replace ur 360 with a refurbished one, and then refurbish your old 360 and either sell it as new(recertified) or give it to someone else, but after 3 years when your 360 dies regaurdless of how many times you rma it, u still will have to buy another 360 or pay for repair and this is where their profit will come from.

and I fully understand and accept that because they will still take losses from people who purposely rrod their 360 and it will all even out in the end anyway.

Not true. When you receive a replacement or a repaired 360, you get another 3 year warranty on that box.

[Cue]

Not true. When you receive a replacement or a repaired 360, you get another 3 year warranty on that box.

Highly unlikely. Simply because it is a method of getting a lifetime warranty. Anybody who is about to finish 3 yrs can intentionally RROD their system to get cover for 3 more years. So again highly unlikely and perhaps false info you are giving out. A warranty is a warranty it does not extend as you say otherwise the company can face ruin.

[DanASBO]

Highly unlikely. Simply because it is a method of getting a lifetime warranty. Anybody who is about to finish 3 yrs can intentionally RROD their system to get cover for 3 more years. So again highly unlikely and perhaps false info you are giving out. A warranty is a warranty it does not extend as you say otherwise the company can face ruin.

It's true in the UK at least. You get a letter with your refurb/replacement explaining the warranty renewal. I've had to send mine back three times and have had the renewal letter every time, along with 3 months of XBL Gold and two play n charge kits.

[Neptune]

Or just buy the fucking games and they would not be so much money any more. Why do you think they are so much (PEOPLE STEAL THEM). I only play 2-3 games every 6-7 months i think you can spend 100$ every 6-7 months to get a few new games.

Let's take a trip through time...

The year is 1988, the game system of choice is the NES. The system was $400 at launch and games were $60 a piece. 20 years later it is now 2008. The game system of choice is Microsoft XBOX 360, price was $400 at launch and games are $60.

[Cue]

It's true in the UK at least. You get a letter with your refurb/replacement explaining the warranty renewal. I've had to send mine back three times and have had the renewal letter every time, along with 3 months of XBL Gold and two play n charge kits.

with another 3 year warranty? I must say I'm rather surprised and somewhat confused as to why they just didn't say "lifetime warranty" to avoid people intentionally RROD'ing their system near the 3 year mark.

[Cue]

Let's take a trip through time...

The year is 1988, the game system of choice is the NES. The system was $400 at launch and games were $60 a piece. 20 years later it is now 2008. The game system of choice is Microsoft XBOX 360, price was $400 at launch and games are $60.

too true. piracy was almost non-existant back in the day of cartridges and games were still extremely expensive. Its also ironic that the PC counterpart of all console games are cheaper even though most people seem to consider the PC platform "pirated to hell and back".

[DanASBO]

with another 3 year warranty? I must say I'm rather surprised and somewhat confused as to why they just didn't say "lifetime warranty" to avoid people intentionally RROD'ing their system near the 3 year mark.

Yes.

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[dwrecording]

Let's take a trip through time...

The year is 1988, the game system of choice is the NES. The system was $400 at launch and games were $60 a piece. 20 years later it is now 2008. The game system of choice is Microsoft XBOX 360, price was $400 at launch and games are $60.


NINTENDO ENTERAINMENT SYSTEM (NES)

Manufacturer: Nintendo

Launch Price: $199.99 (Control Deck bundle)

Released Date: October 18, 1985

Format: cartridge



CPU: 8-bit Ricoh processor, running at 1.79 MHz

Memory: 2kb RAM, 48kb ROM

Resolution: 640X480 pixels maximum

Sound: Mono

Connectivity: Famicom modem

Power: A/C

Accessories: multiple controllers, light guns, modem, floppy disc drive, cleaning kit

Miscellaneous: known as the Famicom in Japan, where it was released July 15, 1983

Nintendo claims 60 million units sold worldwide

Redesigned top-loader NES 2 released in U.S. in 1993 for $49.99

Discontinued in the U.S. in 1995 and 2003 in Japan

funny looks like it was 200$ then went to 100$ quick then 50$. And games were 8-15$ not 65$ I was playing them after school. :)

[borbeatss]

More fan boy ****! lets take a pole My install worked 100%. OK LET THE POLES BEGIN.

I bet you find yourself wondering why people don't listen to you without yelling. I can help with that, here is a tip. When your trying to get someone or some people to do something in writing, do not misspell words. The word you are looking for is "Poll".

[Calidrifter]

They took it from 1 year to 3 for free and you still ***** many come on. Also every time you send in your 360 you get 1 more year on the one they send back to you. Its covered. They are doing a good thing and people still *****. Boo hoo i hate MS then get a fucking PS3 and ***** how much there online sucks ass and the **** store. My Bluray movies skip all the time froze up last night over and over and it was a new disk and a new 60gig PS3 about 2 month old after my 6 month old 80gig died. I hate to say but my 360 has been good to me and the Ps3 had been a pain in the ass. Do not get me started on LBP online and socom! Even COD kicks you from the game all the time.

Am I reading this right? You admit that the 360 is basically POS hardware and you want everyone to pat them on the back? :confused: Where did you get a new 60 gig...and why did you buy another one if the POS PS3 80 gig died on you? I mean, do people like you do that in every aspect of life? "Hey, I just bought a new car the other day! You know..the one where they are really defective...and my tranny went out! Oh well, its under warranty so kudos to the auto maker for the warranty!" or "I hate this car..its a POS...I think I will buy another one!" Exaggerate all you want dude...we are all listening to you:rolleyes:

[Cue]

Am I reading this right? You admit that the 360 is basically POS hardware and you want everyone to pat them on the back? :confused: Where did you get a new 60 gig...and why did you buy another one if the POS PS3 80 gig died on you? I mean, do people like you do that in every aspect of life? "Hey, I just bought a new car the other day! You know..the one where they are really defective...and my tranny went out! Oh well, its under warranty so kudos to the auto maker for the warranty!" or "I hate this car..its a POS...I think I will buy another one!" Exaggerate all you want dude...we are all listening to you:rolleyes:

You dont want to start this. he has a pic of all three consoles in his sig. Thats like a sig from the president for full immunity. except you can buy it with cash.
be prepared for a backlash which emphasises this point.

[dwrecording]

You dont want to start this. he has a pic of all three consoles in his sig. Thats like a sig from the president for full immunity. except you can buy it with cash.
be prepared for a backlash which emphasises this point.

LOL, what i was said is i am on my 2ed PS3 and my 2ed 360. My newer 360 is over 2 years old and runs great. My first PS3 did not last 6 months. I think they both have huge problems. Both do great things. But sony has done nothing in the last 2 years to make me want to support them any more. They just keep making Bluray movies cost more and more and refuse to drop the price of the PS3. The games DO NOT run as good as good on the 360. I would not be surprised if sony dropped the PS3 in the next 2 years. Home will not save them. kill zone might bring some new people but not with 50,000 people a week losing jobs. Any way i am just feed up with sony.

[Calidrifter]

You dont want to start this. he has a pic of all three consoles in his sig. Thats like a sig from the president for full immunity. except you can buy it with cash.
be prepared for a backlash which emphasises this point.

Not too concerned. I'm just trying to understand some of the logic here.

[Cue]

Not too concerned. I'm just trying to understand some of the logic here.

so am I, that's what I'm trying to say people tend to say anything and then play that card. dwrecording why on earth will dropping the price of the PS3 make you want to support them? you already paid for it. drop it in two years? who is banking with home? This is madness! And yes all electronics have technical problems but you are not seriously telling me that its on the same scale as the 360 faults yet you seem all to happy to "support them" do you not?

[sjkhounk]

Am I reading this right? You admit that the 360 is basically POS hardware and you want everyone to pat them on the back? :confused: Where did you get a new 60 gig...and why did you buy another one if the POS PS3 80 gig died on you? I mean, do people like you do that in every aspect of life? "Hey, I just bought a new car the other day! You know..the one where they are really defective...and my tranny went out! Oh well, its under warranty so kudos to the auto maker for the warranty!" or "I hate this car..its a POS...I think I will buy another one!" Exaggerate all you want dude...we are all listening to you:rolleyes:

Cars are different. People re-purchase consoles because they already have games and accessories for them.

[Cue]

Cars are different. People re-purchase consoles because they already have games and accessories for them.

good point and all the more reason to be angery when hardware is released flawed or half-baked.

[DanASBO]

good point and all the more reason to be angery when hardware is released flawed or half-baked.

The excellent software(and the 3yr/lifetime rrod warranty) makes up for the shoddy hardware, in my opinion. Out of my previous consoles the only ones to fail were the PS1 and PS2, both as defective as the early 360s yet no extended warranty... hmm. Saying that, I bought several iterations of both consoles... because the software was worth it.

[Cue]

The excellent software(and the 3yr/lifetime rrod warranty) makes up for the shoddy hardware, in my opinion. Out of my previous consoles the only ones to fail were the PS1 and PS2, both as defective as the early 360s yet no extended warranty... hmm. Saying that, I bought several iterations of both consoles... because the software was worth it.

fair enough but I certainly hope you weren't happy about it, were you?

[grapeape]

With every generation buying consoles is a crap shoot...its been that way ever since moving parts were added (cd/dvd, etc). This generation the only things I have had problems with have been a DS which had a smashed screen (my fault), my first Wii (dead out of the box, well not dead but white spots all over the screen) and my PSP which decided to have spontaneous UMD drive failure. The DS was replaced for $50 when I called support and explained what I had done. The Wii was replaced within a week under warranty and was returned with an extra wiimote. The PSP still has a broken UMD drive after Sony's phone support determined that surely I had abused it (never mind that I had only owned for around 6 months and was so anal retentive about it that I kept a screen protector on it as well as an armor case.) after that I decided screw it and flashed my PSP. So far my PS3 and my 360 have both been flawless since I took them out of the box.

Last generation I had a dreamcast, gamecube and 5 ps2's. My dreamcast still works, ditto for my gamecube, the ps2 I have now is my second slim black one after having the first die due to the recalled power supply. The 3 previous ones were the old fat ones, one had video failure the other two stopped reading disks (again my fault according to sony).

I guess after my experiences I should if anything be pissed of at Sony but I still buy their stuff because I like the games, I just buy them with the understanding that if anything goes wrong im stuck buying another.

Im sure others have had complete opposite experiences, I dont know of anyone personally but I have read on here of people going through as many and more 360's as I did PS2's. Bottom line is its all a crap shoot but it still amazes me that MS is held to much higher scrutiny when at least they admitted fault and tried to do something about it. I guess they should learn a lesson and next generation deny it and try to convince the customers it was all their fault??

[dwrecording]

With every generation buying consoles is a crap shoot...its been that way ever since moving parts were added (cd/dvd, etc). This generation the only things I have had problems with have been a DS which had a smashed screen (my fault), my first Wii (dead out of the box, well not dead but white spots all over the screen) and my PSP which decided to have spontaneous UMD drive failure. The DS was replaced for $50 when I called support and explained what I had done. The Wii was replaced within a week under warranty and was returned with an extra wiimote. The PSP still has a broken UMD drive after Sony's phone support determined that surely I had abused it (never mind that I had only owned for around 6 months and was so anal retentive about it that I kept a screen protector on it as well as an armor case.) after that I decided screw it and flashed my PSP. So far my PS3 and my 360 have both been flawless since I took them out of the box.

Last generation I had a dreamcast, gamecube and 5 ps2's. My dreamcast still works, ditto for my gamecube, the ps2 I have now is my second slim black one after having the first die due to the recalled power supply. The 3 previous ones were the old fat ones, one had video failure the other two stopped reading disks (again my fault according to sony).

I guess after my experiences I should if anything be pissed of at Sony but I still buy their stuff because I like the games, I just buy them with the understanding that if anything goes wrong im stuck buying another.

Im sure others have had complete opposite experiences, I dont know of anyone personally but I have read on here of people going through as many and more 360's as I did PS2's. Bottom line is its all a crap shoot but it still amazes me that MS is held to much higher scrutiny when at least they admitted fault and tried to do something about it. I guess they should learn a lesson and next generation deny it and try to convince the customers it was all their fault??



Good point!

[DanASBO]

fair enough but I certainly hope you weren't happy about it, were you?

Of course not,. Banjo 3 is fookin ace tho', really. :confused: Roll on next-gen.

[Cue]

With every generation buying consoles is a crap shoot...its been that way ever since moving parts were added (cd/dvd, etc). This generation the only things I have had problems with have been a DS which had a smashed screen (my fault), my first Wii (dead out of the box, well not dead but white spots all over the screen) and my PSP which decided to have spontaneous UMD drive failure. The DS was replaced for $50 when I called support and explained what I had done. The Wii was replaced within a week under warranty and was returned with an extra wiimote. The PSP still has a broken UMD drive after Sony's phone support determined that surely I had abused it (never mind that I had only owned for around 6 months and was so anal retentive about it that I kept a screen protector on it as well as an armor case.) after that I decided screw it and flashed my PSP. So far my PS3 and my 360 have both been flawless since I took them out of the box.

Last generation I had a dreamcast, gamecube and 5 ps2's. My dreamcast still works, ditto for my gamecube, the ps2 I have now is my second slim black one after having the first die due to the recalled power supply. The 3 previous ones were the old fat ones, one had video failure the other two stopped reading disks (again my fault according to sony).

I guess after my experiences I should if anything be pissed of at Sony but I still buy their stuff because I like the games, I just buy them with the understanding that if anything goes wrong im stuck buying another.

Im sure others have had complete opposite experiences, I dont know of anyone personally but I have read on here of people going through as many and more 360's as I did PS2's. Bottom line is its all a crap shoot but it still amazes me that MS is held to much higher scrutiny when at least they admitted fault and tried to do something about it. I guess they should learn a lesson and next generation deny it and try to convince the customers it was all their fault??

You would be wrong. MS did actively deny it at first just as they did with the 360 scratching discs putting the blame on the user. Perhaps they face more scrutiny because consumers did not want to put up with another PS2 fiasco and filed lawsuits against them and I think rightly so.

BTW my ver7 fat PS2 is still going strong but a friend of mine had to manually align his laser on his ver9. were your PS2's version 9 or 10 and were they chipped? I know that that was troublesome vers with a modchip.
http://www.darkplanets.co.uk/la6508/

[grapeape]

You would be wrong. MS did actively deny it at first just as they did with the 360 scratching discs putting the blame on the user. Perhaps they face more scrutiny because consumers did not want to put up with another PS2 fiasco and filed lawsuits against them and I think rightly so.

BTW my ver7 fat PS2 is still going strong but a friend of mine had to manually align his laser on his ver9. were your PS2's version 9 or 10 and were they chipped? I know that that was troublesome vers with a modchip.
http://www.darkplanets.co.uk/la6508/

No idea what version they were though their rotting corpses are still probably somewhere in my basement. Nope none were modded, just not something im real interested in, had to with the PSP out of necessity but I got over the mod chip thing when I sold my Gamedoctor back in the late 90's. :) I did try pot adjustments and other various "fixes" though..never seemed to do any good.

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No idea what version they were though their rotting corpses are still probably somewhere in my basement. Nope none were modded, just not something im real interested in, had to with the PSP out of necessity but I got over the mod chip thing when I sold my Gamedoctor back in the late 90's. :) I did try pot adjustments and other various "fixes" though..never seemed to do any good.

if you still have them and want to play them (if everything else is working except the laser) you might want to look into HDLoader or a DMS4 modchip it will give it a new life. I can always give you a Memory card with the exploit if you need it.
You might even want to consider selling them on ebay. since some people are still after older fat PS2s for this exact reason. I think the 3 month PS2 warranty was a joke luckily they extended it for this generation.

[mag3966]

I got off the phone with Xbox support today. I just downloaded the NXE update and my console immediately gave me the E80 error message with the one flashing red light in the bottom right quadrant. I have never tampered with the box and rarely use it for anything other than playing dvds. The box is in the same condition that it was in when support sent it back to me when there was the issue of the three red lights, so I do not believe that the error message is somehow related to NXE discovering the box having been tampered with. I was also charged $99 for the repair as my console is out of warranty. I escalated the call to a supervisor, to no avail. He did say that they were aware of the problem but their hands were tied at the moment (whatever that means).

[Rhythmeister]

It only bricks if you tampered with the e-fuse (which is naturally blown during some earlier update in order to restrict downgrading the console to an exploitable kernel).

What a load of old ****; my machine which has operated FLAWLESSLY for 11 months (after the last one cooked itself JUST inside the 12 month warranty) just died DAYS after installing the NXE dashboard. Firstly Fable II began to freeze up, then Timeshift then the RROD began!
Now, I'm a scientist but I find it VERY odd that this happened almost immediately after this update as the correlation is so strong here and MANY others are reporting the SAME PROBLEM.
I bought a BRAND NEW Arcade console today and when I got home with it installed the NXE dash and...FABLE II FREEZES which NEVER happened with the original dashboard! Coincidence? I think not :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Neptune]

What a load of old ****; my machine which has operated FLAWLESSLY for 11 months (after the last one cooked itself JUST inside the 12 month warranty) just died DAYS after installing the NXE dashboard. Firstly Fable II began to freeze up, then Timeshift then the RROD began!
Now, I'm a scientist but I find it VERY odd that this happened almost immediately after this update as the correlation is so strong here and MANY others are reporting the SAME PROBLEM.
I bought a BRAND NEW Arcade console today and when I got home with it installed the NXE dash and...FABLE II FREEZES which NEVER happened with the original dashboard! Coincidence? I think not :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Quick sir, please tell me. Where is the flux capacitor??????? I NEED TO KNOW!

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Quick sir, please tell me. Where is the flux capacitor??????? I NEED TO KNOW!

It's between the driver and passenger seat; for further assistance please consult the manual.