Wii & PS3 software attach rate continues to lag behind Xbox 360

[Zeus]

Gamasutra has analyzed recent NPD data and found that the Xbox 360 has a far superior attach rate. Each Xbox 360 owner has bought 8.1 games on average, Wii owners 5.5 and PS3 5.3.

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For reference, at the end of 2007, the Xbox 360's tie ratio was 6.98, Wii's 4.64, and the PlayStation 3's 4.26. Our estimates put the Wii's tie ratio at 5.5 since June 2008, and we believe that it has held roughly constant since. The Xbox 360's tie ratio, however has increased by about 0.1 each month since early 2008.

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[IBNobody]

Gamasutra has analyzed recent NPD data and found that the Xbox 360 has a far superior attach rate. Each Xbox 360 owner has bought 8.1 games on average, Wii owners 5.5 and PS3 5.3.

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The PS3 numbers are skewed by the number of people like me who use their PS3's just to play Blu-Ray or DivX files. I only own 2 PS3 games. (I don't rent games either.)

[doxology]

doesn't that graph show that the wii has sold more software in 2008 than anyone, or am i missing something?

[agantai]

they must be doing their calculation based on torrents & usenet downloads percentage.

dont believe everything you read (NPD data),"sales" is the most serious part of the console war + a good cheque will easly change the real number to what ever number billy wants. ;)

[-= MB =-]

Ofcourse wii software tie ratio lags, the hardware sells 10x as much as 360, so that skews the ratio. But as u can see on he graph, wii actually sold more software in 2008 already.

[MadMax31]

And still people believe piracy is going to scare the developers off the X360 :rolleyes:

[pezjono]

they must be doing their calculation based on torrents & usenet downloads percentage.

Ya, the funny thing is: it isn't! Even with piracy the 360 has the highest attach rate. You just keep telling yourself these conspiracy theories and maybe they will come true!!

dont believe everything you read (NPD data),"sales" is the most serious part of the console war + a good cheque will easly change the real number to what ever number billy wants. ;)

Sales? I must have gone blind because I could have sworn this chart shows the 360 has higher software sales. If you are referring to hardware, then you are fighting a war you won't win. Nintendo has that covered. Either way you lose.

Now hows about you take a dose of these "real life" pills and don't bother posting stuff that makes it so easy to flame you?

[Jinx13378]

they must be doing their calculation based on torrents & usenet downloads percentage.

dont believe everything you read (NPD data),"sales" is the most serious part of the console war + a good cheque will easly change the real number to what ever number billy wants. ;)

I'd rather believe them than you.

[medski]

um, wouldn't a big reason for the huge difference of 8.1 to 5.5 or so be explained by, oh I don't know, maybe the extra year that the 360 has been out?

I guess MS will continue boasting how they have sold more than ps3, well no **** that is also explained by the extra year it was out!

It is meaningless to compare products in a different stage of their life cycle. The best thing was the argument of no good games for the ps3 just after launch, again explained by the one year head start. It is completely retarded to compare things in different time points, or products with a different age. Rewind 360 a year ago and then try making some comparisons and see how great it is? NAT!

[Meelo]

they must be doing their calculation based on torrents & usenet downloads percentage.

dont believe everything you read (NPD data),"sales" is the most serious part of the console war + a good cheque will easly change the real number to what ever number billy wants. ;)

I think it's past YOUR bedtime!:D

[poisonousjuice]

the ps3 #s are skewed by those who bought it just for blu-rays and the 360 #s are skewed by those bought it for bootleg games.

[ModderFokker]

I have about 25 ps3 games and 20 Blu-Ray movies but i also have +/- 75 360 games (but those are on a duallayer :D).

So hows that for your damn statistics :rolleyes:

[agantai]

I think it's past MY bedtime!:D

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showpost.php?p=1053693&postcount=11
:D:D:p

[Meelo]

@agantai
Oh I see you can edit peoples quotes, how big of you.

[rygee]

1) the Wii numbers that are skewed. NPD includes ~9mn units of Wii Play and Wii-Fit.

If you back out ~9mn units of Wii-Play and Wii-Fit....Wii Hardware:Software Tie Ratio life-to-date is closer to 4.7 = 59mn SW/12.5mn HW. WELL below Ps3 and xbox 360.

Wii-Play is considered software but its really hardware. People buy it for the controller and its not their fault it happens to come with a game (that i dont think anyone actually plays).

If the soul purpose of buying Wii play was the SW id say keep it in there....but its not...so you cant count it....

2) xBox 360 has been out longer so of course the tie ratio is higher...but nonetheless it had a higher tie ratio 23 months post release of 6.6

[faceless]

doesn't that graph show that the wii has sold more software in 2008 than anyone, or am i missing something?

the wii sold more hardware, and more software, but the TIE RATIO (ratio of software sold divided by hardware sold) is lower.

as some people said, part of the reason for the higher tie ratio on 360 is it has been out a year longer, which means that console owners have had an extra year to buy games.

the real comparison can be made in January, when the final 2008 tie ratio numbers are out for Wii and PS3, since we know the tie ratio at the end of December 2007 for 360 was 6.98

[doxology]

1) the Wii numbers that are skewed. NPD includes ~9mn units of Wii Play and Wii-Fit.

If you back out ~9mn units of Wii-Play and Wii-Fit....Wii Hardware:Software Tie Ratio life-to-date is closer to 4.7 = 59mn SW/12.5mn HW. WELL below Ps3 and xbox 360.

Wii-Play is considered software but its really hardware. People buy it for the controller and its not their fault it happens to come with a game (that i dont think anyone actually plays).

If the soul purpose of buying Wii play was the SW id say keep it in there....but its not...so you cant count it....

2) xBox 360 has been out longer so of course the tie ratio is higher...but nonetheless it had a higher tie ratio 23 months post release of 6.6

people have to at least want wii play a little, because if they only wanted the controller they could save $10. and i have seen no shortage of wii controllers in the stores. and considering the PS3 has been doing a lot of bundles then there software is probably slightly off as well because they have done all sorts of bundles, mgs4, motorstorm etc. and i believe they have done more bundles in japan, though i could be wrong.

and most people that purchased wii fit bought it for wii fit. not for the wii balance board which can't hardly be used with anything else at this point.

maybe those games aren't your thing, but people are buying them for the games regardless of how gimmicky we might think they are.

[beterweter]

u not an xboxboy by any chance are ya. :D:p

took you a long time too show up again,
or maybe you got banned with al your previous names already and tought we wouldnt notice you now.
your real hard too pick out of the crowd:rolleyes:

the wii sold more hardware, and more software, but the TIE RATIO (ratio of software sold divided by hardware sold) is lower.

as some people said, part of the reason for the higher tie ratio on 360 is it has been out a year longer, which means that console owners have had an extra year to buy games.

the real comparison can be made in January, when the final 2008 tie ratio numbers are out for Wii and PS3, since we know the tie ratio at the end of December 2007 for 360 was 6.98

your point?
ooh yeah,it was great for microsoft too start the next gen a year earlier.
your right it was a smart move of wich they benefit now.wich is a good thing.
so what we where able too buy next gen games a year before the ps3.
you want consoles too launch side by side now?:rolleyes:

and you forgot too say that the ps3 attach rate was 3.5 in the beginning of 2007
and 360 in its 1st year was 5.6

[jambooboo]

The Wii has a few great games but a whole load of junk and the PS3 hasn't taken off as a games console, and so it doesn't surprise me whatsoever.

[bootyhuntah]

took you a long time too show up again,
or maybe you got banned with al your previous names already and tought we wouldnt notice you now.
your real hard too pick out of the crowd:rolleyes:



your point?
ooh yeah,it was great for microsoft too start the next gen a year earlier.
your right it was a smart move of wich they benefit now.wich is a good thing.
so what we where able too buy next gen games a year before the ps3.
you want consoles too launch side by side now?:rolleyes:

and you forgot too say that the ps3 attach rate was 3.5 in the beginning of 2007
and 360 in its 1st year was 5.6

beterweter is shutting it down in this thread. All right. My sentiments exactly! Xbox 360 owners seem like the smarter more well informed group of people on this topic. Am I right...yup!! I hope this trend continues to be honest. Let Nintendo sell their kiddie games and gimmicky console peripherals. Let PlayStation just do a small improvement (past article mentioned PS 4 pre-specs...not official though) to recuperate their lost profit margin from PS 3 disaster. Link here a quarter down page in blue highlighting http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=5366&page=10 And another link to back up the first link http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2008/0929/kaigai469.htm
Finally, let Microsoft dominate the attach rate and overall best price to performance ratio :cool:

[agantai]

beterweter is shutting it down in this thread. All right. My sentiments exactly! Xbox 360 owners seem like the smarter more well informed group of people on this topic. Am I right...yup!! I hope this trend continues to be honest. Let Nintendo sell their kiddie games and gimmicky console peripherals. Let PlayStation just do a small improvement (past article mentioned PS 4 pre-specs...not official though) to recuperate their lost profit margin from PS 3 disaster. Link here a quarter down page in blue highlighting http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=5366&page=10 And another link to back up the first link http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2008/0929/kaigai469.htm
Finally, let Microsoft dominate the attach rate and overall best price to performance ratio :cool:


1-didn't know smart people buy defective product & brag about it.
2-well informed people about what ?? even microsoft didn't admit to RROD till nearly 2 years later.
3-microsoft dominating how ?? by selling a dying console for loss ?? or by paying millions for useless DLC ??

microsoft has been funding the xbox360 devision since day one from the profit they make from windows software.but to smart & well informed people this is must be the right way to dominate.:rolleyes:

[splattered]

1-didn't know smart people buy defective product & brag about it.
2-well informed people about what ?? even microsoft didn't admit to RROD till nearly 2 years later.
3-microsoft dominating how ?? by selling a dying console for loss ?? or by paying millions for useless DLC ??

microsoft has been funding the xbox360 devision since day one from the profit they make from windows software.but to smart & well informed people this is must be the right way to dominate.:rolleyes:

How do you think sony funded their gaming division? idiot...

[Appleseed]

Well i am getting all the upcoming exclusives for the ps3. However the ps3 just does NOT have enough games on it. The wii however....you need to be retarded to pay for that garbage.

[bootyhuntah]

1-didn't know smart people buy defective product & brag about it.
2-well informed people about what ?? even microsoft didn't admit to RROD till nearly 2 years later.
3-microsoft dominating how ?? by selling a dying console for loss ?? or by paying millions for useless DLC ??

microsoft has been funding the xbox360 devision since day one from the profit they make from windows software.but to smart & well informed people this is must be the right way to dominate.:rolleyes:

1) No RROD here :eek:

2) Well agantai you did read the first page of this thread and all comments before you added your own thoughts right? I mean only idiots make comments without taking in all the information. I guess you are an idiot as this thread is direct and to the point on attach rate. :rolleyes: If your going to argue with me don't bring a knife to a gun fight ;)

3) Microsoft is dominating by selling more games to gamers who buy their superior console.

Final note: Agantai you prove what I stated before. Sony fan boys are less informed and pull their facts out their backside or talk out right bulls**t where nothing but their opnion and heart come in to play. I'm tired of dealing with idiots. Once again you've been schooled :D

"microsoft has been funding the xbox360 devision since day one from the profit they make from windows software.but to smart & well informed people this is must be the right way to dominate.".........How exactly isn't this a smart business move. Your hating on Microsoft because they make cash off of a great operating system?? Dude, you must be young...For your sake you should state that you are because your debating skills are WEAK! ;)

[agantai]

1) No RROD here :eek: 80% failure rate.:eek:

2) Well agantai you did read the first page of this thread and all comments before you added your own thoughts right? I mean only idiots make comments without taking in all the information. I guess you are an idiot as this thread is direct and to the point on attach rate. :rolleyes: If your going to argue with me don't bring a knife to a gun fight ;) did you actually say anything here ??:confused:

3) Microsoft is dominating by selling more games to gamers who buy their superior console. superior at failing when playing less than average hyped up games.;)

Final note: Agantai you prove what I stated before. Sony fan boys are less informed and pull their facts out their backside or talk out right bulls**t where nothing but their opnion and heart come in to play. I'm tired of dealing with idiots. Once again you've been schooled :D

"microsoft has been funding the xbox360 devision since day one from the profit they make from windows software.but to smart & well informed people this is must be the right way to dominate.".........How exactly isn't this a smart business move. Your hating on Microsoft because they make cash off of a great operating system?? Dude, you must be young...For your sake you should state that you are because your debating skills are WEAK! ;) great operating system which requires a life time of patching to keep it working ?? sadly though they thought the xbox360 would work the same way only they found too late you can't actually patch defective hardware (how many motherboards did they change ?? all have rrod.

my reply is in red.:eek:


@ splattered
i know what you are saying,all companies have to fund their new projects from somewhere but to keep a defective console on life support by windows profit is a problem BIG problem. i honestly think microsoft are only in it for the sake of fighting the successful gaming companies (mainly Sony) & ofcourse they dont want to be the new losers in the console hardware business,they are too arrogant for their own good,the complete opposite to sega & how they handled their failed dreamcast business.

[Mikeyy]

beterweter is shutting it down in this thread. All right. My sentiments exactly! Xbox 360 owners seem like the smarter more well informed group of people on this topic. Am I right...yup!! (Once again, taking the "I'm right and everybody else is an idiot" approach!) I hope this trend continues to be honest. Let Nintendo sell their kiddie games and gimmicky console peripherals. Let PlayStation just do a small improvement (past article mentioned PS 4 pre-specs...not official though) to recuperate their lost profit margin from PS 3 disaster. (The PS3 disaster, thats typical of you, Disaster?, if the PS3 is a disaster, then the Xbox 360 is the Titanic, WHY? Well look at the charts, OH NO I SAID CHARTS!, Xbox fanboys fear charts, because It exposes them, The xbox 360 only has a 5 million lead on PS3, coinicidently thats the same lead they had from their year long head start.) Link here a quarter down page in blue highlighting http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=5366&page=10 And another link to back up the first link http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2008/0929/kaigai469.htm
Finally, let Microsoft dominate the attach rate and overall best price to performance ratio :cool:

My thoughts are in bold.

I"m going to get flames, probally unconstructive ones, because very few Xbox fanboys like to deal with facts, they just like to throw insults and :rollseyes: at people.

I'm just tired of words like "PS3 Distaster" When its far from that, Nobody wants to MAN UP and look at the big picture. It's all Bias and one sided arguments faught using pre-concieved notions around here.

[faceless]

took you a long time too show up again,
or maybe you got banned with al your previous names already and tought we wouldnt notice you now.
your real hard too pick out of the crowd:rolleyes:



your point?
ooh yeah,it was great for microsoft too start the next gen a year earlier.
your right it was a smart move of wich they benefit now.wich is a good thing.
so what we where able too buy next gen games a year before the ps3.
you want consoles too launch side by side now?:rolleyes:

and you forgot too say that the ps3 attach rate was 3.5 in the beginning of 2007
and 360 in its 1st year was 5.6What i'm interested in is seeing if the Wii beats the 360's tie ratio. It's already shown that the 360 launching a year earlier meant nothing when it comes to becoming the market leader.

I'm not really interested in THE FIERCE BATTLE FOR SECOND PLACE between the 360 and the PS3...

[dannybII]

No being funny but at the tail end of last year all you heard left right and centre on this forum was "Watch this space, 2008 Sony are going to dominate, after Halo 3 the 360 has nothing". Did I miss something?
I've brought 4 games for the Ps3 this year, Uncharted (can't remember if this was a 2007 title or not?), Unreal 3, GT Prologue Demo :p and MGS 4. 3 went back to gamestation to be traded withing days and the 4th would have if I didn't have to sit and watch the movies for 3 months. I've downloaded every demo off the marketplace hoping to have my eyes opened. Sony have badly missed the mark with me this time round.
As much as every Sony fan likes to slate the 360 for RROD, lets face it it's covered under warranty.

Ironically, despite the 360 being easiest to modify, and this being why it was alleged the 360 was out selling the PS3 on the hardware front (along with RROD) it sells games like hot cakes. If there are so many dead RROD consoles lying around, and so many 360's playing backups and it's STILL selling more games than the PS3... it's got to be said the PS3 must be selling software at an alarmingly slow rate. Then take on board the extra DEV costs (man hours as it's slightly harder to code for) to make the games, it's hardly an attractive prospect for a 3rd party DEV.

[beterweter]

beterweter is shutting it down in this thread. All right. My sentiments exactly! Xbox 360 owners seem like the smarter more well informed group of people on this topic. Am I right...yup!! I hope this trend continues to be honest. Let Nintendo sell their kiddie games and gimmicky console peripherals. Let PlayStation just do a small improvement (past article mentioned PS 4 pre-specs...not official though) to recuperate their lost profit margin from PS 3 disaster. Link here a quarter down page in blue highlighting http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=5366&page=10 And another link to back up the first link http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2008/0929/kaigai469.htm
Finally, let Microsoft dominate the attach rate and overall best price to performance ratio :cool:

a big thank you;)

[fanps]

The PS3 numbers are skewed by the number of people like me who use their PS3's just to play Blu-Ray or DivX files. I only own 2 PS3 games. (I don't rent games either.)

LOOOOL!

These numbers only cover the USA market, where xbox360 has more userbase.

You add the numbers of European and Japanese market and xbox360 is in last position.

1°WII
2°PS3
3°xbox360

[beterweter]

LOOOOL!

These numbers only cover the USA market, where xbox360 has more userbase.

You add the numbers of European and Japanese market and xbox360 is in last position.

1°WII
2°PS3
3°xbox360

lol,i got this from your favorite site,

http://gaygamer.net/2008/09/uk_console_sales_display_brill.html

now look at that:eek:
seems the 360 is still on 2nd position here.

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/09/22/xbox-360-reaches-6-million-units-in-europe/

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20460

and asuming the ps3 has outsold the 360,well there's no proof as there are no numbers released by sony,only strong words...

[fanps]

lol,i got this from your favorite site,

http://gaygamer.net/2008/09/uk_console_sales_display_brill.html

now look at that:eek:
seems the 360 is still on 2nd position here.

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/09/22/xbox-360-reaches-6-million-units-in-europe/

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20460

and asuming the ps3 has outsold the 360,well there's no proof as there are no numbers released by sony,only strong words...

LOOOOOOL

3 price cuts in a few months, means that xbox360 is in serious difficulties in Europe.

Remember HD-DVD? It is the same story.

[beterweter]

LOOOOOOL

3 price cuts in a few months, means that xbox360 is in serious difficulties in Europe.

Remember HD-DVD? It is the same story.

you really can't handle it now can you?
you just keep rambling out stuff you think is right with no source too back up you theories.
as all global sales tell other things then your rambling,you think your really convincing everyone,by making an ass out of yourself.

[*StoneCold*]

Please understand people that this is for AMERICA only, not the world.

The wii has seriously outsold the 360 in BOTH HARDWARE and SOFTWARE in 2008 in AMERICA alone, but we dont know what the end tie result will be, even though the tie result worldwide has the wii 1st.

Yous need to stop looking at 1 area of the world and basing your comments on that.

The Wii is this gens PS2, has the under-powered one compared to the competition, has a lot of shovelware although there is great games on it too, and its kicking the competitions teeth in, in both hardware and software sales, whether MS fans like it or not.