Waninkoko still working on iso loader

[keyfun]

New from tehskeen: http://www.tehskeen.com/forums/showthread....8876&page=4





Basically means:"It wasn't the leak what pissed me off the most, but all the people downloading it, sharing it, making tutorials, and such. I recognize that 50% of that is my fault and... i think i'm gonna reconsider the cancelation (well, the bit about making it public because canceled it's not XD)."

This really sounds like he never intended to release the backup loader to the public in the first place. He develops it, but isn't sure if he is ever going to release it to the public (it is a controversial program after all). Then it got leaked, and spread, and that pissed him off (to have a laggy, unfinished, potentially dangerous and illegal program spread the internets with his name attached) so that he "OFFICIALLY" announced to never release it to anyone.

Whats clear though is that he's still (or, again) working on it. He might still decide to keep it for himself.

Tnx to Niuus for translation lol

Thanks to Tehskeen for info

[tech3475]

well I too would be annoyed if my work was leaked and as he put it a brick is possible.

Doesn't bother me though since I have a wiikey

[BladeX]

i hope he does keep it to himself. we dont need this mod chips work just fine :P these type of programs have the potential to derail and destroy the wii.

[keyfun]

i hope he does keep it to himself. we dont need this mod chips work just fine :P these type of programs have the potential to derail and destroy the wii.
"im alright jack i have a modchip" lol . its out people are working on it and its not gonna go away get over it !

[Untouchable757]

I really want to see it released though officially even if it doesnt work on my ntsc wii. its still a neat program and there is nothing dangerous about the loader its self. Its the custom ios thats that part that can mess up your wii not the loader its self

[itaintrite]

It's great that Waninkoko can put aside the obvious backstabbing and continue to work on this great project of his. It would just be a waste of HIS time and effort to abandon it. It will probably be a while till this Backup loader can replace modchips though.

One interesting thing though is how he said the leak wasn't what pissed him off the most but rather the sharing and downloading of the file. Well, that's what happens when something is leaked. Did he really think that it'll only be leaked to one or two people and they'd just keep it to themselves? How naive.

[Gherudos]

ffs stop calling this an ISO Loader.Its not an iso loader its a dvd disk loader.

[RichieUA]

look at me, I'm an attention whore!

[Mr305]

i know right. these folks as well as zeus, mainly for posting it as an isoloader onthe frontpage, need to digg that d1ck out of their ass whenever there are news about some iso loader. Folks, right now this project currently stands as a DVDISO loader not an ISO file loader.

You got a novel in your sig :eek::p

[uzi]

its no iso or DVDiso loader lol its a BACKUP LOADER ... its not in a iso format when u burn it so its ur back up on a dvd.... if it was a iso loader it would be like the psp just a iso in the folder that boots up

[mannyman789]

Heres the part that gets me
If it is so buggy and potentiomally dangerous and illegal program why would you spend hours to develop it and not intend to share it to the public.

[Sal]

now that´s a working link

http://www.tehskeen.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8876&page=4

[CarmineMac]

ffs stop calling this an ISO Loader.Its not an iso loader its a dvd disk loader.

I think it is entirely possible that this could evolve into an iso loader at some point. Does Wii support SDHC?

[Sal]

you still have to patch the original iso to get a "special" one...so maybe ppl referring to that in some strange way.

But yes its a backup loader, that´s for sure.

[iLLNESS]

I think it is entirely possible that this could evolve into an iso loader at some point. Does Wii support SDHC?

no shdc for wii

[msa]

wow, he was pissed on peopole downloading something thats in the internet?

thats like ford would say: we're pissed that people that steal our cars also drive them...

the difference being that ford wouldnt give their cars to people that add them in MSN and ask "can i have it to beta-test it?"

i originally wrote it in the gbatemp-thread too, its not "we" (the people who downloaded that awesome piece of actually working software) he should be angry about, but himself and maybe one of his beta-testers that he didnt even know personally or was related to in any way.

[billysastard]

Does Wii support SDHC?

nope, not internaly but there is always the usb ports and a card reader or hdd if the work ever gets that far.

[arashb]

I really want to see it released though officially even if it doesnt work on my ntsc wii. its still a neat program and there is nothing dangerous about the loader its self. Its the custom ios thats that part that can mess up your wii not the loader its self

Do you know why PSP devs give up on the PSP? Because any PSP can be hacked to run the games with no modchip needed and everyone is doing it. Do you want to see the same thing happen to the wii? It's the worst thing that could happen, and now cheap ass kids are gonna cry because they don't want to pay for a modchip.

[talax]

Do you know why PSP devs give up on the PSP? Because any PSP can be hacked to run the games with no modchip needed and everyone is doing it. Do you want to see the same thing happen to the wii? It's the worst thing that could happen, and now cheap ass kids are gonna cry because they don't want to pay for a modchip.

Argument=fail.

Look at the success of the DS. That is hacked to oblivion. Sure you have to pay for the flash cart, but on the PSP you have to pay for the memory stick (pro duo)which is much more expensive than microSD.

Or look at the PS2 (the original fat one)... it can be softmodded pretty easily as well.

The fact that a console can be modded (soft or via modhcip), does not directly correspond to whether a console will fail.

Now, will manufacturers blame piracy for failure. Sure!

Don't fall for that logic.

Don't get me wrong, if a console is losing to a competitor (like the PSP has already been losing to the DS), the fact that it's easy to mod surely doesn't encourage developers to create games for it, but it does NOT mean the doom of a system automatically.


Look at almost the opposite example. The gamecube for a good portion of it's life didn't have a modchip for it. It failed long before the modchip happened, due to many reasons.

In other words, the Wii is not going to die out just because it is soft modded. Other things are way more important (quality of games, competition, etc.)

[wiggim]

I personally think that this ISO loader is a waste of time, its a major success but its like the memor32 cards for the PS2..

develop something to play from SD/USB-HDD/wifi, enable the games to be compressed and loaded onto the same disc... Add some enhancement to the way backups are played - don't 're-invent' the wheel, so to speak.

[Mr.Do!]

I personally think that this ISO loader is a waste of time, its a major success but its like the memor32 cards for the PS2..

develop something to play from SD/USB-HDD/wifi, enable the games to be compressed and loaded onto the same disc... Add some enhancement to the way backups are played - don't 're-invent' the wheel, so to speak.

So true.. Why bother with this. Modchips will prob always be a better alternative to installing custom software on your wii, having to patch iso before burning, then loading a homebrew channel to load an app to play a backup..

OR you can buy a chip that just plays backups..

[NeoNight]

Heres the part that gets me
If it is so buggy and potentiomally dangerous and illegal program why would you spend hours to develop it and not intend to share it to the public.

The leak was the dangerous buggy..ect version of the program. He didn't want that released for obvious reasons. Other wise if he did he would of released it himself.


So true.. Why bother with this. Modchips will prob always be a better alternative to installing custom software on your wii, having to patch iso before burning, then loading a homebrew channel to load an app to play a backup..

OR you can buy a chip that just plays backups..


Yeah, but softmods don't cost you any money. You can't physically damage your system and easily void your warranty with softmods. *insert 98 other reasons to use softmods here*

[arashb]

Argument=fail.

Look at the success of the DS. That is hacked to oblivion. Sure you have to pay for the flash cart, but on the PSP you have to pay for the memory stick (pro duo)which is much more expensive than microSD.

Or look at the PS2 (the original fat one)... it can be softmodded pretty easily as well.

The fact that a console can be modded (soft or via modhcip), does not directly correspond to whether a console will fail.

Now, will manufacturers blame piracy for failure. Sure!

Don't fall for that logic.

Don't get me wrong, if a console is losing to a competitor (like the PSP has already been losing to the DS), the fact that it's easy to mod surely doesn't encourage developers to create games for it, but it does NOT mean the doom of a system automatically.


Look at almost the opposite example. The gamecube for a good portion of it's life didn't have a modchip for it. It failed long before the modchip happened, due to many reasons.

In other words, the Wii is not going to die out just because it is soft modded. Other things are way more important (quality of games, competition, etc.)

Ability to read = fail. To hack on the DS you have to buy the flash carts and the age the DS targets is much different than the PSPs. And for consoles most people aren't ready to have something opened up. And because of the homebrew capabilities of the PSP everyone wants theirs hacked, and devs probably aren't making any money off the PSP. And it doesn't matter if you have to pay for the memory sticks, most people have atleast a 1gb one and that could fit plenty of homebrew and some full games. If people really want to pirate games then they should pay $100 for a modchip + install and stop being so damn cheap.

[evil666]

Let me make it clear first, own the game before you use any chips or loader. That out of the way. Dude man should just stop saying he isn't gonna release it to any one. Work on it release it and bask in the glory. Some people say don't release it blah blah or I got a chip don't need it. Thats fine. However you have to think about the other people that get the newer wii's that have the epoxy and are not skilled enough to remove it... or they have the fucking three legs cut on the video chip. This is a nice alternate resolution to those problems. Work on it release and don't be a b1tch. I have seen people/teams cry and whine way to many times in the past years.... (WAB) This guy knew what he was getting himself into when he decided to create some loader and then fucking announcing it to a news scene..... I swear sometimes there is more drama in this then the kiddies in the nuking/release groups, and they are a bunch of c0ck craving tweakers. Thats my two cents and I am out.

[mcmanic]

lol at all the people moaning about this softmod and saying if you want to pirate the games get a modchip. Why does having a modchip suddenly make you so special or are you the mug paying for the privilege of a modchip for playing copies?

personally i think its great.

[BlackDove]

Oh what a fucking surprise.

Like I said in that last thread, this has nothing to do with the actions of anybody else or an apparent 'change of heart', it's him, he just can't help himself.

[killzusall]

i hope he does keep it to himself. we dont need this mod chips work just fine :P these type of programs have the potential to derail and destroy the wii.

bully for you. I wonder how many people have screwed their wii's up trying to install modchips. There are people like bushing and marcan working on software and recovery dongles to undo software bricks but install a modchip wrong, if your lucky the chip might not work. If you're unlucky bye bye wii. A lot of people try to chip wii's with a lack of equipment (i.e. Chunky soldering irons instead of finer tipped ones etc....) and with even less knowledge and skill. Plus the chip is only as good as the firmware, wasabi was crap for example.

Waninkoko was trying to get the project tested before release to stop it wrecking wii's. And to be honest (and i've said this before) how many people have actually bricked their wii's with something like this once it's been officially released? Most common case is the home user being stupid and installing updates from iso's that they've changed the region of. Bushing is trusted in the scene but even his software comes with warnings

Finally if use cIOS, dvdx, and the iso loader and my wii develops a fault i have a much better chance of reverting it back to normal by uninstalling there progs and sending it off with the warranty sticker intact. Oh and it's free works on any revision of wii board (currently) even on the new ones covered in epoxy.

[BlackDove]

The people who brick their consoles attempting to use these methods are usually the people who shouldn't be attempting to use them in the first place.

[lenitao]

LoL, maybe Nintendo decides to punish him!!

actually this iso loader is much more than just a homebrew, and i'm sure than Nintendo will modify future wii not allowing chips to be installed, the fact that this got leaked is bad, as Nintendo will patch every future game and update every single future wii.....so it has no future, except if this Wanikono decides to work on it futher on and release it, although it won't be easy....

[BlackDove]

LoL, maybe Nintendo decides to punish him!!

actually this iso loader is much more than just a homebrew, and i'm sure than Nintendo will modify future wii not allowing chips to be installed, the fact that this got leaked is bad, as Nintendo will patch every future game and update every single future wii.....so it has no future, except if this Wanikono decides to work on it futher on and release it, although it won't be easy....

It could end up being like the scenario between Sony and Dark Alex or MS and Commodore, but I doubt it since Waninoko isn't anywhere near the same league as either of those two.

[stanleyopar2000]

good chap, this time he needs to have better friends who can KEEP A SECRET.

kudos to wanninkoko for not giving up :D

(and I dont even have a wii XD)

[Mr.Do!]

The leak was the dangerous buggy..ect version of the program. He didn't want that released for obvious reasons. Other wise if he did he would of released it himself.





Yeah, but softmods don't cost you any money. You can't physically damage your system and easily void your warranty with softmods. *insert 98 other reasons to use softmods here*

True... but installing a custom IOS on your wii can render you wii just as useless as screwing up a solder job on a drive chip.

And as far as modchips costing money.. the 30 bucks(or less) that it cost is negligable considering the functionality it gives you.

I am all for soft mod hacking... but not in this form. The app is barely usable at this point and way to0 inconvinient for me to want it instead of a chip...

[NeoNight]

True... but installing a custom IOS on your wii can render you wii just as useless as screwing up a solder job on a drive chip.

And as far as modchips costing money.. the 30 bucks(or less) that it cost is negligable considering the functionality it gives you.

I am all for soft mod hacking... but not in this form. The app is barely usable at this point and way to0 inconvinient for me to want it instead of a chip...

I understand what your saying but the point is to use the app when its completed not before. A point which the person who leaked the program and people who downloaded it seem to have missed. Then again you might at least have to have zelda (if you can't rent it) and an sd card/card reader. So the cost just may be about the same using either method as well as the risk(brick vs damaging the hardware). Although in the case of softmods, the risk only really being applicable if your using unfinished software.

[killzusall]

I am all for soft mod hacking... but not in this form. The app is barely usable at this point and way to0 inconvinient for me to want it instead of a chip...


It's version v0.1 and was never meant to be seen outside a close group of testers. For v0.1 it's pretty good. Micro$oft have been releasing Windows for years and it still needs updates every week.

Softmods are great because if so chosen people from all over the world can make them better if given the opportunity, where as chips are limited to a place of design and manufacture.

Team Twiizers found a small save game exploit, and developed it into the homebrew channel which once installed is not inconvenient.

And DarkAleX on the PSP scene has it down to such a fine art, nowadays his stuff looks just like Sony's. The development of Pandora's battery has saved thousands of people the expensive of a $ony repair. He's unlocked features that were otherwise unavailable (i.e. if you bought a UMD movie it would be in full resolution 480x272 - or something like that - but any video that had been put on by the end user was restricted to a lower resolution and DAX unlocked the full res). And before people say it's killed the PSP off, Sony have already admitted people might only be buying it because it is so unlockable. Plus how can it kill the Wii 90% of the top games are made by nintend0 not third parties, and they're hardly gonna stop developing games for their own platform.

Seems to be the most people slagging off the loader are people who are regretting buying chips, or are going to lose out on providing the "service" of chip installation (most of which the first lot used).

Plus it might be inconvenient to you if you already have a chip, but what if you get a Wii this christmas? Are you gonna spend time money and effort finding, waiting for delivery of, and installation of a chip, or are you gonna go online and download the backup loader?

[talax]

Ability to read = fail. To hack on the DS you have to buy the flash carts and the age the DS targets is much different than the PSPs. And for consoles most people aren't ready to have something opened up. And because of the homebrew capabilities of the PSP everyone wants theirs hacked, and devs probably aren't making any money off the PSP. And it doesn't matter if you have to pay for the memory sticks, most people have atleast a 1gb one and that could fit plenty of homebrew and some full games. If people really want to pirate games then they should pay $100 for a modchip + install and stop being so damn cheap.

PS2: you don't need to open it up to softmod it. It was the most successful console so far. Once the softmod came out, it didn't affect sales, and PS2's are still being sold even today.

Gamecube: you also don't need to open it up to softmod it. It was not very successful at all.

You are claiming that the ability to softmod will doom the Wii. This cannot be farther from the truth.

There are so many variables to whether a console is successful that have nothing to do with the ability to run homebrew.

they are:

Price (especialyl compared to competition, but also when it reaches the "magic" price point that consumers start buying it).
Games (obviously)
Method of control
and many others like availability, look and feel, etc that I won't go into.


the PSP has failed so far mainly because: It's price is more than the DS (consumers don't seem to care that it can provide a better "experience" than the DS, i.e. it has better technology in it), the games that have come out for it have mostly been shallow ports from the consoles instead of games specifically designed for the PSP (with a couple notable exceptions that came out later), and that the controls aren't the best (analog nub is pretty crappy on the first verison at least).

the last two tie in together actually. Since many of the games on the PSP are ports from console games, the controls don't map too well on the PSP and the PSP versions typically get lower review scores because of that. Most of the games in the first year of it's life fall into that category, and that started the slide to obscurity for the PSP.


the Wii is on the exact opposite track compared to the PSP (lowest cost until recently, games designed specifically for it to make use of it's features, and innovative controls). Just because there is a softmod will not affect it as much as you seem to think it will.