View Full Version : Top 10 stolen game exclusives, Final Fantasy VII tops the list
Gaming journalist Mikel Reparaz has created a list of the top 10 stolen gaming exlcusives, so here they are: 1) Final Fantasy VII (stolen by Sony), 2) GTA IV (Microsoft), 3) The Capcom 5 (Sony), 4) Castlevania: BloodLines (Sega), 5) Devil May Cry 4 (Microsoft), 6) Halo (Microsoft), 7) Dragon Quest IX (Handhelds), 8) Street Fighter II (Sega), 9) Shenmue II (MS and Sega) and 10) Rare (Microsoft).
Stolen from: Nintendo
Stolen by: Sony
What happened? Square Enix's decision to make Final Fantasy XIII multiplatform is nowhere near as shocking as what it did to the series in 1996. Back then, publisher Square was close to Nintendo - so close, in fact, that the two companies partnered to create Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, still regarded as one of the best RPGs of its era. Square's flagship series, Final Fantasy, had been given its start on Nintendo's NES, and the franchise had delivered two extremely successful games (three in Japan) to the Super NES.
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crypysmoker
08-09-2008, 03:41 PM
Yeah...
Because final fantasy 7 would have just looked awesome on N64..
Come on now
Yeah...
Because final fantasy 7 would have just looked awesome on N64..
Come on now
:confused: um yeah the 64 was more powerfull.
WildBomber
08-09-2008, 03:55 PM
Yeah...
Because final fantasy 7 would have just looked awesome on N64..
Come on now
You mean to tell me FFVII looks good (http://www.juegomania.org/Final+Fantasy+VII/fotos/psone/0/576_t/Foto+Final+Fantasy+VII.jpg) on the PS1 lmao? Yeah their cartridges didn't have enough space for FMV, but who said FMV was needed. Ocarina of Time was a masterpiece which had full explorable 3D environments with real time cut scenes. The graphics were unrivalled (http://yannick.fleurit.free.fr/Critiques/Autres%20screenshots/Zelda%20Serie/Zelda%20Ocarina%20of%20Time.jpg) by any other game on a home console at the time.
John Crichton
08-09-2008, 04:21 PM
dq9: nintendo, not handhelds. but i don't think, you can say that. dq 1-4 were for nes, dq5+6 for snes, dq7 for psx and dq8 for ps2. the ds was the first platform, dq9 was announced, so i don't think it is stolen. they just choose the platform by popularity every time.
and sega did steal shen mue from itself?!?
John Crichton
08-09-2008, 04:25 PM
and yes, the n64 was more powerful than the psx, but it also was too expensive, the games were too expensive, and there were not much rpgs.
sliggo
08-09-2008, 04:36 PM
plus FF needed to be on cd to become such a good game.
WildBomber
08-09-2008, 04:47 PM
plus FF needed to be on cd to become such a good game.
FMV doesn't make a game, look at Final Fantasy VI. Plus, the audio could've been easily achievable on the N64, but maybe not exactly to the same quality due to space limitations.
richbambam360
08-09-2008, 05:13 PM
FMV doesn't make a game, look at Final Fantasy VI. Plus, the audio could've been easily achievable on the N64, but maybe not exactly to the same quality due to space limitations.
+1 there
whenever a fmv cut scene drops in,I'm 90% of the time hitting the buttons trying to skip it to get back to the gameplay,guess thats why im not a big fan of MGS4
squaredwheels
08-09-2008, 05:21 PM
plus FF needed to be on cd to become such a good game.
You are very smart.
arashb
08-09-2008, 05:32 PM
Yeah...
Because final fantasy 7 would have just looked awesome on N64..
Come on now
Just google FFVII N64 SGI Demo. The graphics would've beat any other game out during the time. But what's up with this list? Was Halo really gonna be out on Playstation?
WildBomber
08-09-2008, 05:44 PM
Just google FFVII N64 SGI Demo. The graphics would've beat any other game out during the time. But what's up with this list? Was Halo really gonna be out on Playstation?
Nope, was meant to be Mac exclusive.
Calidrifter
08-09-2008, 05:47 PM
FMV doesn't make a game, look at Final Fantasy VI. Plus, the audio could've been easily achievable on the N64, but maybe not exactly to the same quality due to space limitations.
They don't make the game...but they add so much. When I first saw cloud on the motorcycle break out of the shinra building or sephiroth walking through the fire I was blown away. I know RE2 was on the n64, but do you think it would have been as epic if not for the awsome CG scenes...especially the ending?
WildBomber
08-09-2008, 05:52 PM
do you think it would have been as epic if not for the awsome CG scenes...especially the ending?
I truly do, and you only have to play FFVI to realise why. But of course that's my own opinion and you're entitled to yours.
ok123
08-09-2008, 06:25 PM
Why does it specificly says "stolen by Sony" on Final Fantasy 7 and not on any other games on that list? How did Sony steal FF7?
neilpatel
08-09-2008, 06:28 PM
Why does it specificly says "stolen by Sony" on Final Fantasy 7 and not on any other games on that list? How did Sony steal FF7?
cause its the first on the list the author is tryinna show the brackets means hu stole them;)
arashb
08-09-2008, 06:33 PM
Why does it specificly says "stolen by Sony" on Final Fantasy 7 and not on any other games on that list? How did Sony steal FF7?
Because that was the first final fantasy for the generation of N64 and PS1, and they showed a demo of the game for the N64 then it was released on the PS1, first FF game that wasn't on a nintendo console.
I thought this was a list of games getting robbed from stores, not the usual flame bait.
ok123
08-09-2008, 06:43 PM
cause its the first on the list the author is tryinna show the brackets means hu stole them;)
Ye, that might be it, thanks for the info! :)
Because that was the first final fantasy for the generation of N64 and PS1, and they showed a demo of the game for the N64 then it was released on the PS1, first FF game that wasn't on a nintendo console.
Thats true, but how did they steal FF7? Didnt SquareSoft have anything to say in the final decition? If so, couldnt we say that SquareSoft betrayed Nintendo? :P
Seriously though, i know what they mean with "stealing a exclusive title", but do we have any proof that the titles in this top 10 list was bought of by companies, or is it just assumptions? Maybe it was the game companies themself who had alot to do with the decition on releasing the games on the platform that they did, not just because (insert Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony here) payed the game companies alot of money to release the games on their console(s) instead.
I thought Squaresoft chose to release FF7 on the Playstation due to that the Playstation used CD as a media instead of cartridges, atleast i would guess that was a big reason for it.
arashb
08-09-2008, 06:51 PM
Ye, that might be it, thanks for the info! :)
Thats true, but how did they steal FF7? Didnt SquareSoft have anything to say in the final decition? If so, couldnt we say that SquareSoft betrayed Nintendo?
I thought Squaresoft chose to release FF7 on the Playstation due to that the Playstation used CD as a media instead of cartridges, atleast i would guess that was a big reason for it.
We will never know :P. But I think the guy is just saying 10 exclusive game surprises. Games that nobody would expect to go on a diff console. But really GTA4 and Halo shouldn't be up there, GTA3 and Vice City both came out on xbox and Microsoft helped publish and develop Halo...
ok123
08-09-2008, 06:57 PM
We will never know :P. But I think the guy is just saying 10 exclusive game surprises. Games that nobody would expect to go on a diff console. But really GTA4 and Halo shouldn't be up there, GTA3 and Vice City both came out on xbox and Microsoft helped publish and develop Halo...
Ye, i dont think we will ever know, unfortunately :\ Ye, that might be what the guy who wrote the article ment indeed, 10 exclsuive game suprises :) I did an edit in my previous post by the way :)
Ye, i agree, correct me if i'm wrong, but i dont think GTA 4 was ever announced as a PS3 exclusive title. Also, if i should guess, the Halo franchise probably wouldnt have been that popular today if it hadnt been released on the Xbox and the Xbox 360. Was Halo a hyped title before it was announced for Xbox? I dont think i've ever heard about Halo before i heard about it comming out for the Xbox.
crypysmoker
08-09-2008, 07:46 PM
The tech demo for Final fantasy on N64 was Final Fantasy 6, not 7. It was to show they could put it on N64. There was never any actual FF7 for N64 no matter what anyone says.
Yes, the FF6 N64 SGI Demo is labeled as FF7 all over the place, but it was not. it was all the characters and bosses from FF6.
Yes, the 3d characters do come out better on the N64, but FF7 would not have been as well known today as it is for the FMV sequences and story line.
ZildjianKX
08-09-2008, 07:59 PM
Nope, was meant to be Mac exclusive.
It was a Mac/PC game (first demoed at a MacWorld). I don't see how Halo should even make the list.
darthbane2k
08-09-2008, 08:48 PM
Yeah...
Because final fantasy 7 would have just looked awesome on N64..
Come on now
Take Occrina of Time - full 3D environments, incredibly detailed at the time compared to lego men runing around blurry static jpegs (FF7) - yeah, no comparison....
darthbane2k
08-09-2008, 08:49 PM
It was a Mac/PC game (first demoed at a MacWorld). I don't see how Halo should even make the list.
It was initially planned as a MAC exclusive. Part of an initiative Apple were planning to market Mac as a viable games platform.
wolf_gt21
08-09-2008, 09:44 PM
are they really stolen now or is someone flashing a lot more green here and there?
There are a ton of games out there that should be multiplatform, but they're not. there's some 360 games that would look better and the ps3 and vice versa.
all people want to do here is rant and complain things don't go as planned or their way!
thrillahpino
08-09-2008, 11:39 PM
How about when the PS2 and Xbox stole the Winback franchise from Nintendo?
Yeah......um, forget it. I don't really care anymore :p
psychospeedster
08-10-2008, 12:18 AM
Wait wait, FFVII was stolen by Sony? I dont see how that could be right. I am pretty sure that Square moved onto the PSX for the sole reason of space!
The game spanned 3 cd-roms (1.8GB) with or without FMV's there is no way they could have fit that on an N64 rom without blowing the costs sky high, not to mention cd's were much much cheaper.
Besides that... I personally think that Nintendo gave it away with their own decisions. They played shady with Sony when they were partnered on creating a CD based console and tried to screw them over. Nintendo breached the contract and Sony got all the development props and created the PSX. Just like MS got into the gaming industry due to the Dreamcast (ran by Windows CE, scary huh?).
Square probably wanted to put the game on cd from the beginning (they had to of known bout the Ninty/Sony cd console development) and when Ninty went back to cartridge use, they looked at the specs and went for were the space was.
Also, how the hell is FFVII an exclusive to Sony? It came out on PC as well (so did FFVIII). The final fantasy series only became exclusive to Sony with the release of FFIX - FFXII (not including XI its an mmorpg). Its not surprising they went back to releasing it on MS and Sony consoles, since they are both actually selling well (FF make money on the XB? Please).
Anchored in with Sony owning a portion of S-E's shares, I don't see how its any sort of lose... nor on how FF could have had exclusivity stolen from either side nor company. Technically it was (in name and more) never exclusive to any console.
QrafTee
08-10-2008, 01:24 AM
The lost of Final Fantasy VII was Nintendo's fault when they decided to stick with expensive, inferior cartridges. The lost of Final Fantasy XIII is Microsoft's doing when they kept throwing briefcases full of gil at Square Enix's doorstep.
Xenogears V
08-10-2008, 04:26 AM
FF VII on 360 i think it is a bullsh*t.
Cloudkill
08-10-2008, 06:07 AM
The FF6 Demo video that were shown were not even running on the N64 they were showing what they could do with the N64 Square tried to get Nintendo to change the Console before it came out but Nintendo didn’t want to do it because of the costs to change the design and hardware of the console.
The video everyone saw was this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVrid_terJg
It was used as a demo for a new type of PC here are the details for those who don’t read them on youtube...
After Final Fantasy 6, Square had its employees work on a 3D graphics demo to hone their three-dimensional artistry. They produced the Final Fantasy SGI demo. This demo featured FF6's Locke, Terra, and Shadow and ran only on high-powered Silicon Graphics workstations. The game was uniquely controlled through a series of mouse movements (for example, moving the mouse in a star shape summoned a dragon). It was assumed that the Final Fantasy SGI demo showed what the new N64 Final Fantasy would look like, but Square stunned the gaming world when they announced Final Fantasy 7 would be for the PlayStation instead. Such controversy! Anyway, if you want to learn more about the Final Fantasy SGI demo, then check out the forums at lostlevels.org
And then came 64DD Nintendo gave up on it though as it was expencive.
Signa
08-10-2008, 06:53 AM
i didnt read the whole thread, but i had to respond to the comments back on the first page.
FF7 only was good because of the FMVs. I'm not saying it was bad by any means, but FMVs were the "new" thing back in 1997. its 11 years later, and yes, we almost prefer to skip the scenes. But I just KNOW that if FF7 didnt have the FMVs, it would have been another FF6. people loved 6, but the FMVs gave RPGs some staying power in today's gaming market. Seriously, the FMVs got people who would never touch an RPG to play the game.
Evolution
08-10-2008, 02:32 PM
A lot of people here might or might not know this but in the west FFVII was the most returned game in history. People bought it for the graphics alone and when they actually played it and found that they couldnt, they took it back to the shop. For me it was one of the greatest games ever made but then I knew what to expect. I had played all the other FFs in one guise or another.
As for Sony stealing it, it was more a case of Yamauchi's arrogance and intransigence at not going for an optical format media that lost FF (and how many other titles as well) for the N64. Square told him repeateadly and he wouldnt listen.
The N64 was the wrong response at the wrong time for Nintendo and thats how they lost the battle and any number of exclusive games that they would normally have had on their system for granted. Sony built up huge momentum and it was too late. There are certain parallels that can be drawn from that generation to this one here we have just now, with Sony and Nintendo in a reversal of roles.
sigma8
08-10-2008, 03:06 PM
A lot of people here might or might not know this but in the west FFVII was the most returned game in history. People bought it for the graphics alone and when they actually played it and found that they couldnt, they took it back to the shop. For me it was one of the greatest games ever made but then I knew what to expect. I had played all the other FFs in one guise or another.
Huh? Who couldn't play it? FF7 was my first FF game, which I suspect was probably true for lots of new PS1 owners. I had heard of the franchise (my friend _loved_ FF3 on his SNES, but I hadn't been a huge RPG gamer. Anyway, I bought it more or less wholly due to the hype, and it was definitely one of the big decision makers when I was deciding between the PS1 and N64. Anyway, I really enjoyed the game at the time.
The N64 was the wrong response at the wrong time for Nintendo and thats how they lost the battle and any number of exclusive games that they would normally have had on their system for granted. Sony built up huge momentum and it was too late. There are certain parallels that can be drawn from that generation to this one here we have just now, with Sony and Nintendo in a reversal of roles.
I think both the N64 and PS3 had pricing issues (too expensive), but Nintendo was coming off of a pretty bad streak of dictatorial control over its royalties and brand. Developers and publishers were probably happy to jump ship. I think Sony is probably making only one of those two mistakes, which is still a mistake, but it's not as bad.
I'd say Sony is occupying more of an original Xbox role: expensive, considered to be the most technologically powerful, 1 year late, few games.
Also, I would like to laugh at the mention of Rare as a stolen exclusive. First of all, everything else on the list is a game. Rare is a company--and it's not because Rare is the only case of a company being "bought" instead of game rights. Bungie was bought outright, but it's still on the list as "Halo".
Rare just hasn't released any games worth really mentioning on the list, so they're just there as "Rare" lol. Quite a steal!
Evolution
08-10-2008, 04:19 PM
Huh? Who couldn't play it? FF7 was my first FF game, which I suspect was probably true for lots of new PS1 owners. I had heard of the franchise (my friend _loved_ FF3 on his SNES, but I hadn't been a huge RPG gamer. Anyway, I bought it more or less wholly due to the hype, and it was definitely one of the big decision makers when I was deciding between the PS1 and N64. Anyway, I really enjoyed the game at the time.
I think both the N64 and PS3 had pricing issues (too expensive), but Nintendo was coming off of a pretty bad streak of dictatorial control over its royalties and brand. Developers and publishers were probably happy to jump ship. I think Sony is probably making only one of those two mistakes, which is still a mistake, but it's not as bad.
I'd say Sony is occupying more of an original Xbox role: expensive, considered to be the most technologically powerful, 1 year late, few games.
Also, I would like to laugh at the mention of Rare as a stolen exclusive. First of all, everything else on the list is a game. Rare is a company--and it's not because Rare is the only case of a company being "bought" instead of game rights. Bungie was bought outright, but it's still on the list as "Halo".
Rare just hasn't released any games worth really mentioning on the list, so they're just there as "Rare" lol. Quite a steal!
You are quite right about Rare, there is no 'steal' there. Nintendo were offered a chance to buy out Rare long before MS were involved. Looked at the £250 million price tag and said no thanks.
Rare lost most of their decent dev staff when David Doak and a few others decided to form Free Radical Design having been fed up with the direction Rare was going under the Stampers and the Eighth Wonder debacle where some of the golden boy dev staff broke away to make games for SCEE and didnt even get out of the starting blocks. Much the same way Toby Gard failed miserably having created Lara Croft and then leaving Core Design to start his own studio.
Slowking
08-11-2008, 01:14 AM
and yes, the n64 was more powerful than the psx, but it also was too expensive, the games were too expensive, and there were not much rpgs.
One could think that you are talking about the PS3. :D
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