MS's Greenburg: exclusive GTA IV content not coming to PS3

[Zeus]

Microsoft product management director Aaron Greenberg has said that the Xbox 360 is the new home for GTA IV. "There's a long list of franchises that used to be exclusive to PlayStation or traditionally sold better on that platform. PS3 isn't performing anywhere near PS2." said Greenburg. Greenburg was also asked if a Sony exec's claim that the 360's exclusive GTA IV content would come to the PS3 was true. "It's not possible as far as I'm aware, but that would be a good question to ask Rockstar. Rockstar and Xbox have only said there are exclusive episodes coming this fall to Xbox 360. I might put that up for a bit of wishful thinking on their end." said Greenburg.


What about the recent claims that PS3 has outsold Xbox 360 in Europe?

I think it's not based on actual data. I think that's clear. We went and looked at independent sell-through data from companies like Chart-Track and GfK, and actual retail sell-through in actual consumers' hands. We have more than a million units than PS3. And that doesn't take into effect all the momentum behind our back. We've seen our sales double since the price drop.

Even GTA - in markets like the UK, the majority of sales of GTA are on Xbox. It is clear that when you look at actual independent sales data - not ours and not theirs - that we do have a larger install base.


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[JordanBlack68]

You had like 18 months head start? and ps3 is nearly outsold 360 in europe and it is more expensive?

[panyan1991]

i hope they are cheap to entice ps3ers to get 360's

[chucky_uk]

You had like 18 months head start? and ps3 is nearly outsold 360 in europe and it is more expensive?

But that's only Europe, they are still a way behind in the US.

Most people have brought the PS3 as a Blu Ray player and not a games machine, the software sales figures prove this. The attach rate is appauling for a company of Sony's caliber.

[Evolution]

You had like 18 months head start? and ps3 is nearly outsold 360 in europe and it is more expensive?

No it hasnt. The 360 has the same grip that the Megadrive (Genesis) had on the market when the SNES first came it. Everyone knew the SNES was powerful and had great games coming out for it but they already had a Megadrive and so did their friends so it was much harder to dump it in favour of the new machine.

Once a console has a foothold (and the 360 has a very strong one indeed) its nigh on impossible to shift it.

And you 18 month argument is purely Sony's decision, no one elses.

[z3r01]

does anyone believe that content will indeed be seen on the ps3?
maybe not in the form of episode but maybe some other term that won't violate their deal with ms?

maybe they might give it some other name like an "expansion" or something, idk juss taking a quess

[willizm]

does anyone believe that content will indeed be seen on the ps3?
maybe not in the form of episode but maybe some other term that won't violate their deal with ms?

maybe they might give it some other name like an "expansion" or something, idk juss taking a quess

I think the last thing R* wants on their hands is another lawsuit. MS paid for exclusivity. I doubt that M$ is going to get taken for a ride with the whole vanilla Ice "it's not the same" theory.

[z3r01]

I think the last thing R* wants on their hands is another lawsuit. MS paid for exclusivity. I doubt that M$ is going to get taken for a ride with the whole vanilla Ice "it's not the same" theory.

true, but what if they try to incorporate it on playstation home or something.rockstar paid for exclusive episodic content...now playstation juss gets expansions
ex. ms gets lets say san andreas with new missions, sony juss gets san andreas...no missions

idk, juss another quess...me I have it for 360 and ps3...so im still gonna see the extras but, im juss taking ä wild quess

[willizm]

true, but what if they try to incorporate it on playstation home or something.rockstar paid for exclusive episodic content...now playstation juss gets expansions
ex. ms gets lets say san andreas with new missions, sony juss gets san andreas...no missions

idk, juss another quess...me I have it for 360 and ps3...so im still gonna see the extras but, im juss taking ä wild quess

All depends on how the contract is stated. I'd imagine if M$ is putting up Millions of dollars for exclusive content, I'd hope that they put in the contract stipulations that state that no other platform would receive any additional content for that title unless it's a bug fix. Usually these contracts have timed exclusivity. I would imagine that this is complete exclusivity for that title. Now if R* comes out with a new title ala similar to vice city and rockstar where it is a full release then it wouldn't matter as the contract is only for GTA4. All this is speculative, but knowing that M$ paid for exclusivity then they will keep it exclusive.

[lostn]

No it hasnt. The 360 has the same grip that the Megadrive (Genesis) had on the market when the SNES first came it. Everyone knew the SNES was powerful and had great games coming out for it but they already had a Megadrive and so did their friends so it was much harder to dump it in favour of the new machine.

Once a console has a foothold (and the 360 has a very strong one indeed) its nigh on impossible to shift it.

And you 18 month argument is purely Sony's decision, no one elses.

Did the Megadrive outsell the SNES?

As for the foothold... if I'm not mistaken, the Wii killed it 6 months after release.

[yourM0M1]

Did the Megadrive outsell the SNES?

As for the foothold... if I'm not mistaken, the Wii killed it 6 months after release.

and the wii KILLED sony's price and innovation before launch....m$ killed sony's library and price.....and sony has the format....and each console has their exclusives

[Rerder]

and the wii KILLED sony's price and innovation before launch....m$ killed sony's library and price.....and sony has the format....and each console has their exclusives

Nice said but just wait till fanboys come again and start whining that there console f***es them harder.

[CLShortFuse]

"PS3 isn't performing anywhere near PS2"

Um... it's selling near exactly as the PS2 did. It selling better than the xbox 360 did in it's first year and half.

Proof:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=80

[NexusBurst]

Um... it's selling near exactly as the PS2 did. It selling better than the xbox 360 did in it's first year and half.

Proof:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=80

Vgchartz is not proof its just a bunch of morons spouting numbers and correcting them after the competition. remember when they knocked off 2 mill xbox 360s?

[Jinx13378]

On topic:
The content will come to the PS3, but just not at the same time as the 360 version. The DLC for 360 will not be free.... and the exclusive contract is probably for year.... so 1 year after the 360 release, the DLC will become free for 360, and around that time I expect the DLC to come to PS3.

And you base it on absolutely nothing.

[Evolution]

Did the Megadrive outsell the SNES?

As for the foothold... if I'm not mistaken, the Wii killed it 6 months after release.

In Europe it certainly did. I loved the SNES but the Megadrive had so many great games that just kept going.

The Wii isnt part of this market though. I know its a console so it should be but the typical Wii owner is far, far removed from the average 360 or PS3 owner.

My wife got the kids a Wii and apart from the initial setup of it and a shot of Wii Sports I wouldnt even give it the time of day. Maybe if she had bought Zelda instead of that Cooking Mama shite I might have been tempted!!

Although I must admit I laughed when she stood on the Balance Board for Wii Fit and it had a few choice words for her!!!

Back on point, the people who buy consoles will still be here when the Wii is gone so its a skewed market at the moment.

[sigma8]

But that's only Europe, they are still a way behind in the US.

Most people have brought the PS3 as a Blu Ray player and not a games machine, the software sales figures prove this. The attach rate is appauling for a company of Sony's caliber.

That's only because Sony's library is a year behind the Xbox360's. There's just not as many games to own, yet. If you look at the attach rate to a console for individual games, they are about the same, and the PS3 is actually starting to pull ahead (*cough* GTAIV *cough*)

This means if you are a releasing a game now or in the future, PS3 owners are a very attractive, game-buying audience, regardless of why they initially bought their consoles.

[sigma8]

Vgchartz is not proof its just a bunch of morons spouting numbers and correcting them after the competition. remember when they knocked off 2 mill xbox 360s?

So, you think a website is bad because it makes corrections when it turns out they are inaccurate? It's not the easiest thing in the world to aggregate worldwide sales data from a bunch of companies that are purposely ambiguous about their sales.

[sigma8]

All depends on how the contract is stated. I'd imagine if M$ is putting up Millions of dollars for exclusive content, I'd hope that they put in the contract stipulations that state that no other platform would receive any additional content for that title unless it's a bug fix. Usually these contracts have timed exclusivity.

Usually? How many contracts have been signed for console-exclusive DLC to multi-platform titles to date? This is the first one I'm familiar with. I do agree that it all depends on whatever they signed, and I'm confident that the legalese is clear enough. I don't know what it is, though.

It might stipulate specific content (e.g. "Carcer City Stories"), it might mean "any and all content", it might be timed, as someone mentioned, it might even mean "episodic content" but semantically leave holes open for larger "expansions" to be multi-plat. The only thing I know for sure is that TakeTwo wants to make fat loads of cash, so if the DLC does well on the Xbox360, it'll be a pretty safe bet they will sell some kind of content for the PS3, because they're not going to ignore 40% of their install base's money.

If the DLC for the 360 doesn't even sell well enough to cover the expenses of developing and marketing it, then it may very well stay exclusive...but apparently that would be a direct result of nobody caring about it, so...who'd care?

[BurningLung]

How could anybody think the content MS paid 50m for would end up coming to PS3? I think PS3 will get some downloadable content down the line, but not none of whatever the initial 360 episodes will be. And what does get released for the PS3 for DL will also be available on 360 though.

[Gambit]

Oh, nothing better than reading fanboys in the morning :P I don't have X360 just because I don't want to pay for playing on-line while there are no games that suits me, clear and simple. I was thinking about buying one but all the hardware problems with X360 made my decision clear. Yes, I have PS3. But only full game I have is TES IV and I use BD for watching movies because other games are either crap or not in my taste (I will buy GTA IV, but it's not the best moment right now for something that addicting...). And Wii is just crappy last gen with new controller (... yeah fanboys... bite me...).

Back to main topic - I'm waiting for someone from Rockstar Games to make that statement because M$ made that statement like 10 times before.

[Rotmm]

Who cares? Playstation owners have stated numerous times, here and elsewhere, that they have no interest in any DLC for GTA4. Xbox360 owners have, on the other hand, shown a great deal of interest in GTA4 DLC.

So there you go. The group who actually want it, get it, and the group who don't want it, don't get it.

Everyone's happy.

[Blazeking]

Who said The Same DLC will be released for PS3?
Maybe it will be exclusive to the console just like 360's.

[sigma8]

Oh, nothing better than reading fanboys in the morning...all the hardware problems with X360 made my decision clear. Yes, I have PS3. But only...have is TES IV ande...for watching movies.... And Wii is just crappy last gen...(... yeah fanboys... bite me...)

So you're not a fanboy, you just hate everything, right?

How could anybody think the content MS paid 50m for would end up coming to PS3? I think PS3 will get some downloadable content down the line, but not none of whatever the initial 360 episodes will be. And what does get released for the PS3 for DL will also be available on 360 though.

Pretty easy, actually. Plenty of "exclusive" stuff doesn't stay exclusive. The original GTA's after GTA3 were PS exclusives, but later came out on Xbox. Just because they say exclusive, it doesn't imply eternally exclusive. If their product is exclusive in any way, they'll latch onto that, because it makes for great marketing these days.

[Evolution]

Im with you Sigma. There is no way that MS will pay that kind of money for DLC and then sit back and allow Sony to get it or something remotely like it for free.

There is also no way that MS wont want its money back on the DLC either so be looking at between 2400 and 4000 MS points for it I would say.

[yusky03]

Who said The Same DLC will be released for PS3?
Maybe it will be exclusive to the console just like 360's.

good point.

360 gets SanAndreas exspansion and ps3 gets Vice City. I can live with that... V-Rock FTMFW!!!

[Evolution]

good point.

360 gets SanAndreas exspansion and ps3 gets Vice City. I can live with that... V-Rock FTMFW!!!

That could be entirely true.

If Sony come up with the same $50m that MS did that is.

[Blazeking]

That could be entirely true.

If Sony come up with the same $50m that MS did that is.

They probably won't even need to pay that much as the Playstation Brand was one of the biggest supporters over the years.

I wouldn't want the same "exclusive" DLC the 360 has, pull a soul caliber 2 instead.

[sigma8]

Im with you Sigma. There is no way that MS will pay that kind of money for DLC and then sit back and allow Sony to get it or something remotely like it for free.

There is also no way that MS wont want its money back on the DLC either so be looking at between 2400 and 4000 MS points for it I would say.
Well, that's not exactly what I was saying. I don't think Rockstar would dare violate the terms of any agreement. The agreement might already stipulate damages in that case. That said, even though MS (may have?) paid Rockstar/TakeTwo $50 million for the DLC, you have to weigh that against potential earnings for non-exclusive DLC.. I don't think they'd take MS's offer unless they felt it would exceed the profits of making the content non-exclusive. They're in it to make money, not do favors.

I think the PS3 sales have been good though. I don't know if sales beat their internal estimates... overall, one one or both platforms... or if they fell short.. But the PS3 attach rate is a lot better than the 360 attach rate (for GTA4), they're definitely going to try to find some way to sell all those PS3 owners something. They want their money. I don't know what it will be, but it will have to be compelling, similar to the MS DLC..

[z3r01]

that's more or less the line I was heading towards....360 gets andreas while ps3 gets vice....lets see what might happen

[sigma8]

that's more or less the line I was heading towards....360 gets andreas while ps3 gets vice....lets see what might happen
My guess is Xbox360 gets exclusive content, PS3 gets some lame freebies (themes? wallpapers?) or non-game related DLC like extra radio stations or TV shows for the TV... Then later some new content comes out that both get, and then, finally the Xbox360 exclusivity ends and that comes to the PS3.

[zymologist]

Who said The Same DLC will be released for PS3?
Maybe it will be exclusive to the console just like 360's.

heh... wishful thinking. has there been ANYTHING to suggest the PS3 would get exclusive GTA:IV content?

[XxBigP123xX]

Beat the single player and im done with this game. The multiplayer sucked so i bought Cod4 again. If the DLC is over $15 i wouldn't pay for it.

[shadyx]

i'm willing to bet that the ps3 will get downloadable content in the form of new multiplayer gametypes/coop missions.

the xbox360 will get the multiplayer updates PLUS episodic story contents

[Evolution]

Beat the single player and im done with this game. The multiplayer sucked so i bought Cod4 again. If the DLC is over $15 i wouldn't pay for it.

You and me dont always see eye to eye but I totally agree with you. The maps are far too big for proper multiplayer and the single player is where its at and thats not really enough in todays gaming world anymore.

I would have to say that GTA IV is one of the biggest disappointments ever and the DLC might not matter because by the time it comes around there might hardly be any players left to buy it.

[SystemParasite]

No... I base that on History.....

History is there to be learnt from... not repeated.

M$ aren't going to pay that kind of money to get something exclusive for a year. Sure PS3 might see it one day but I doubt it will be any time soon. I think that the PS3 will get some DLC but not as big (or as expensive) as the 360 is going to get.

Who cares? Playstation owners have stated numerous times, here and elsewhere, that they have no interest in any DLC for GTA4. Xbox360 owners have, on the other hand, shown a great deal of interest in GTA4 DLC.

Did the PS3 owners say that before or after it was announced? Sounds like typical fanboy behaviour from me.

[GazP]

For $50 million whatever they come up with will be exclusive to the 360. It will never come out on the PS3 unless Sony pay the same amount. I think it will be extra missions for Liberty City myself.