360 first to reach 10 mln in US, history shows it should win the generation battle

[Zeus]

Microsoft announced today that it has sold 10 million Xbox 360 units in the U.S. "History has shown us that the first company to reach 10 million in console sales wins the generation battle" said MS's Don Mattrick. Microsoft also noted that 16 Xbox 360 games have sold more than 1 million or more units, which is twice as many as the Wii and eight rimes more than the PS3.

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[SystemParasite]

10 million may have won it in the past but there has never really been a battle!

[tforce2k]

well hell, it had a huge headstart. and in the past (aka PS vs N64), the N64 never had the momentum that the Wii has going for it. I don't think ANYONE believes that the 360 will hold on to its US lead for much longer. Especially with Wii Fit around the corner.

[lokii]

10 million may have won it in the past but there has never really been a battle!

So true. :D

[Turbojugend]

10 million units sold to 5 million people. I purchased a second 360, after shipping back 5 units. Most people I know own 2 lol

[Signa]

i just dont see how reaching 10M at this point is going to declare a system a winner. sure, its world wide, but the Wii has such a lead on the 360, i dont see how you can call it a winner.

[martin88ca]

This is a post-hoc fallacy.

[legendofphil]

From what I gather both the 360 and Wii past 10m in America a while back, and the Wii is both catching up and got to 10m quicker.

[msanchez]

This race is much more *interesting* than probably most of the ones before it (SNES vs Megadrive excluded), so I don't think we can take past trends as definite indications of the future. If it was the ps3 and the 360 only then maybe, and that's a big MAYBE, this might be true, but the wii is an anomaly the likes of which in 20+ years of gaming I've never seen. In the end I think all of them will finish closer than we might think.

[misthero]

"History has shown us that the first company to reach 10 million in console sales wins the generation battle" said MS's Don Mattrick.

this sounds like he is trying to convince himself...

[danight]

Never has the consoles had so little in common. The 360 showcases traditional gaming using the forumla thats tried and true.
The wii went motion controls and low end equipment and changed the world and the way we played games.
the ps3 took a different route as well, bundling in the high end (new tech) dvd player into a game console that focused more on multimedia rather than exclusive games its little brother was known for.

The wii has all but won this gen. The demand is still high and it appeals to people not known as "gamers", something the ps3 and xbox 360 dont.

But we have still failed to see the golden price this gen ($199.00). Once we see that, then that will tell if the wii is the clear winner or if the xbox 360 can try and reclaim the #1 spot.

[yusky03]

a short victory before the big crash :(

Can we please get a fucking IP ban? Please... ?

On Topic: I think the RRoD has really helped M$ sell. For all we know they could be counting the new consoles they ship back after repair.

[johnnewhouse]

its difficult to say that because the 360 has reached 10mil first in the US, means its going to win anything.
yes you can look in the past and say thats been a good yard stick. but for this gen its pretty redundant.
first, 360 came first, and lets be honest, the wii is going to smash the 360 in the US in the same timeframe by far. but even if we seperate the wii as a toy and not the same as the ps3 and the 360, i still dont think that the 360 is going to be a match for the ps3 as quite simply, the ps3 is beating the 360 everywhere else. in fact its actually beaten the 360 in the US for the last few months. and the 360 was only strong in the US and the UK originally.
according to vgchartz, if you take out the US, then the ps3 and the 360 are neck and neck. personally i dont rate these sites as being very accurate, but they seem to claim they know what they are talking about.

and secondly, the rest of the world has really come alive in their games playing. in the past it was generally regarded as just japan, usa and europe, when it came to games being designed for and sold in, but other markets have really taken off. now the US market is just 1 of many important markets and it does not hold a prominant position anymore.

[DoggStyle]

10 million units sold to 5 million people. I purchased a second 360, after shipping back 5 units. Most people I know own 2 lol

So true. I would love to know how many 360 users had bought a second one.

[panzival]

Microsoft still fail to realize that the US isn't the whole world.

[danight]

So true. I would love to know how many 360 users had bought a second one.

I wonder how many people bought more than 1 ps2? But no one mentions that when talking about how many millions its sold.

Microsoft still fail to realize that the US isn't the whole world.

But to them its pretty much the whole world. Who wants to game with people who speak different languages? The majority of users on live that you can play with almost all speak the same language. The other 5% speak leet haxor internet talk. But for them having 10 million users in 1 region is better than having 5 million in US and 5 million in japan. US is the strongest area for 360 so microsoft should focus on it. Online is useless if no one is ever on to play against.

Now uk and stuff i can see microsoft focusing on as well. But japan they might as well give up on that and let mario have it.

[Jinx13378]

Lazy devs!

Wait, what?

[Robotron]

10 million units sold to 5 million people. I purchased a second 360, after shipping back 5 units. Most people I know own 2 lol

Actually that is so true. Most of my friends bought a 2nd 360 because the first was dead or banned. I just stopped using mine altogether after my 4th rrod.
I will never knowingly support MS ever again and I told my friends they should do the same.....but to be honest they're just too stupid to listen (they also think Ghost Rider was one of the greatest movies ever......I think I need new friends).

[mashti]

So true. I would love to know how many 360 users had bought a second one.

i bought 10 xbox 360 consoles.

3x core sku

2x premium sku

1x elite sku

4x arcade sku

[Jinx13378]

i bought 10 xbox 360 consoles.

3x core sku

2x premium sku

1x elite sku

4x arcade sku

You a minor retailer or something?


Wait, why am I even talking to you?

[Trashcat]

So true. I would love to know how many 360 users had bought a second one.
Do you have an idea how many PS2 users had to buy a second one?

[mashti]

You a minor retailer or something?


Wait, why am I even talking to you?

no all for my personal use,my elite only lasted 3 months (hdmi stopped working) !!

[msanchez]

I wonder how many people bought more than 1 ps2? But no one mentions that when talking about how many millions its sold.

This has nothing to do with the current topic, if anything, you are saying that you also believe that many people have bought more than 1 360.
But to them its pretty much the whole world. Who wants to game with people who speak different languages? The majority of users on live that you can play with almost all speak the same language. The other 5% speak leet haxor internet talk. But for them having 10 million users in 1 region is better than having 5 million in US and 5 million in japan. US is the strongest area for 360 so microsoft should focus on it. Online is useless if no one is ever on to play against.

Now uk and stuff i can see microsoft focusing on as well. But japan they might as well give up on that and let mario have it.

I doubt that ms sees the US as the whole world, or else they wouldn't be trying so hard, true they sometimes have a very funny way to go about it, to bring in the japanese gamers. I also suppose they are doing something to try and keep european gamers satisfied. If ms would adopt the attitude that you have they would probably fail miserably, your attitude reminds me of that "whatswrongwithyou.com" (or whatever it was named) thing that ms did in Asia. I think they are doing a very good job of penetrating the japanese market. They are not alienating all their FPS loving crowd at all, but they are attempting to cater to the japanese crowd, if only a little, but if you compare it to what they did with the original xbox, they are going all out.

"konnichiwa", "hola", "bonjour", "salve", "hallo", etc, etc learn them, since you will probably need it more often once ms releases it's next machine... if they are lucky that is.

[toye]

Earlier winners I should guess would be NES, SNES, PS1 and PS2. All of these probably where the first to sell 10 million in USA for their generations. The only difference would be that they actually sold well in Japan and Europe too.
In some way xbox 360 is the winner. They are selling in strong in USA and UK. They have some good games and building up a loyal fanbase. But the USA isn't the world. In many European countries the 360 are failing big time. Take the southern European countries as Spain and Portugal where the 360 is almost unheard of. PS3 are gaining a big momentum in Europe, soon to be passing the install base of xbox 360, and that after one year (remember that PS3 was released 6 months later in Europe after USA).

As previously statements in this forum thread, it's too early to call out a winner. What Microsoft is doing here is to pick white side in chess and to call theme self winners because the would have moved most piece(s) after the start opening.
It is now the battle starts. PS3 are reaching a price point people actually can afford, because people won't work extra for a console as Sony first believed :p
Danight pointed out that when the nextgen consoles sells around $199, then we can see who will be the winner.

Microsoft had a point with the importance of being first out, and that gave them some momentum (but didn't do dreamcast that much good).
But what is more of importance, how long will the support their consoles. PS2 is on a long run, and that is holding the PS3 back but supports the Sony - Playstation brand building, and it could mean that a lot of people are planning to "upgrade" to PS3 in the following years. And closing the support to early could piss a lot of people off. The first XBox had a short run, and the most important thing for MS is not only to sell as many 360 as possibly, but to keep the support for their machine in the long run. They have said a 7 year life span, and they must at least have that. Otherwise they risk to severly damage their fanbase and go down as Sega did, even if they have the best console (as Sega).

[zymologist]

no all for my personal use,my elite only lasted 3 months (hdmi stopped working) !!

photo proof or youre full of it

[lostn]

Too bad history doesn't guarantee future. MS is naive if they think patterns alone are what determine winners. Do they actually think all it took was getting to 10m first was enough to win, and no other factors?

Didn't Wii beat them to it anyway?

The US is the ONLY market where MS isn't dead last month after month. And sometimes it is.

[Reset]

people are ignoring the more important factor. games sell more on xbox 360 (for whatever reason) which means that game devs are gonna make more games for 360 which means more people will buy 360's. in the end there are gonna be more western style games on the 360. if you don't like western style games, the 360 isn't for you. otherwise you are missing out.

[*StoneCold*]

people are ignoring the more important factor. games sell more on xbox 360 (for whatever reason) which means that game devs are gonna make more games for 360 which means more people will buy 360's. in the end there are gonna be more western style games on the 360. if you don't like western style games, the 360 isn't for you. otherwise you are missing out.

Actually since just before Xmas the games on the wii have been selling more, the 360 might have a bigger attach rate but that wont last as the wii gets stronger.

Each and every month worldwide since november 07 the Wii has been beating the 360 in software sales.

[mashti]

photo proof or youre full of it

i dont have to prove sh1t to anyone,if you dont believe me then go fuk yourself for all i care. :rolleyes:

& plz dont think i keep 10 consoles at the same time ?? i said i bought 10 which i did,what happen is i buy them then about 2 months later i get fed up because no decent game is out then as usual i sell them on ebay for whatever i can get,now i have 2 new aracdes bought them in the last 2 weeks (thx to GTA4), one next to my shiny 22" samsung monitor & the other is under the big lcd tv,but that's it for me no more xbox 360's until the valhalla comes out next year,when i get bored with the ones i have i will just hide them somewhere as for now i'm having fun like never before (completed 60% on GTA4) ;).

[lostn]

I wonder how many people bought more than 1 ps2? But no one mentions that when talking about how many millions its sold.


The fail rate on the PS2 wasn't anywhere near 33%. It was in line with what was expected or a bit worse. 33% is 11 times the acceptable rate. The reason PS2 failure reports were common is because it sold a lot more units than the 360. The more units you sell, the more failures there will be. It's a percentage game.


But to them its pretty much the whole world. Who wants to game with people who speak different languages? The majority of users on live that you can play with almost all speak the same language. The other 5% speak leet haxor internet talk. But for them having 10 million users in 1 region is better than having 5 million in US and 5 million in japan. US is the strongest area for 360 so microsoft should focus on it. Online is useless if no one is ever on to play against.

Now uk and stuff i can see microsoft focusing on as well. But japan they might as well give up on that and let mario have it.

Right. Worldwide sales don't matter to you, so it shouldn't matter to MS either then? You don't suppose it WOULD matter to developers who think about worldwide software sales instead of just US, do you?

Do you have an idea how many PS2 users had to buy a second one?

I bought a second one, but only because it was a slim. I suspect a lot of people who owned fat PS2s bought a slim. My fat still works though. None of my friends who own PS2's bought a second one, or had theirs break down. That's not to say no one else did however. But the reports of PS2 problems aren't as vocal as 360 failures because the problem is far more serious on the 360... If PS2 had a 33% failure rate, you'd be looking at over 35 million dead PS2's, with a bunch of angry gamers boycotting all sony products forever. I don't quite see that. The issue had gotten so bad that MS had to extend the warranty from 90 days to a year and then 3 years. PS2 warranty remains only 90 days.

[Xenontc]

First to sell 10million in America doesn't make up for the last to sell 1 in Japan. Global sales > US sales. Wii wins.

[Brandogg]

XBox 360 is only ahead in the US by about 500k systems over the Wii, every other territory Wii is already #1. Nintendo has also already sold nearly 26 million Wii systems, starting a year after the 360 was launched of course. Don't get me wrong, I love the 360, but M$ bragging about being a (soon to be distant) #2 is pretty stupid.

[Trashcat]

XBox 360 is only ahead in the US by about 500k systems over the Wii, every other territory Wii is already #1. Nintendo has also already sold nearly 26 million Wii systems, starting a year after the 360 was launched of course. Don't get me wrong, I love the 360, but M$ bragging about being a (soon to be distant) #2 is pretty stupid.
Thats true, however when it comes to software attach rate Ms is way ahead of competition, millions of Wii owners only have Wiisports and didn't buy a single game yet, I didn't either I only rented like 3, makes me wonder if a hardware sale means anything if it doesn't cause any software sales, still Nintendo had their profit from the Wii itself so unlike sony or Ms they can't complain.

[picopir8]

I can just picture Bill Gates on an aircraft carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him.

Regarding attach rate, while the wii attach rate is lower that the competition, that is a meaningless statistic that favors consoles with low sales numbers. Looking at the raw numbers, more Wii games have been sold to date than the other consoles. Wii games have dominated vgchartz weekly game sales charts recently. Even now the GTA launch, that is the only 360 game to break the top 10, while the Wii had 6 games in the top 10.

[msanchez]

Thats true, however when it comes to software attach rate Ms is way ahead of competition, millions of Wii owners only have Wiisports and didn't buy a single game yet...

But if there's 10 360 owners that buy 3 games each, it's not as much as 50 wii owners buying 2 games each. Attach rates are all well and good, but when you fall behind in the hardware sales enough it starts to matter less and less; I realize the wii isn't that far ahead..... yet, but much to my dismay/surprise it seems it will be inevitable. Even I'm planing on buying one, it's really for my sister, but I'm not opposed to playing like 2 games I actually like on it. If there's more then that's cool too...... I just gotta trick my sis into buying them for "herself" (read FOR ME!).

[zymologist]

plz dont think i keep 10 consoles at the same time ?? i said i bought 10 which i did,what happen is i buy them then about 2 months later i get fed up because no decent game is out then as usual i sell them on ebay

well then, that fact you've bought 10 does nothing to deflate the install base of xbox 360's since you're selling them to someone, so it's still another console in another consumers hands.

I still say you're full of it though

[dannybII]

Jeez it's predictable

If a Multi platform game sells better on 360 than PS3 then it's because the 360 has sold more CONSOLES. But by contrast, If MS sell more consoles it's because every Mashti and his dog owns 10 because of RROD and bans.
You can't have it both ways. It's either a game sells well for every one of the 6 million people who own 3 consoles each :confused: or the console is selling well regardless of how many are banned or replaced under warranty. Or are some of the 6 Million genuine multi console owners buying multiple coppies og the games too?
Some folk think MS twist the figures.... if this isn't twisting things to fit their ideal I dont know what is.
This is not a difficult concept to grasp is it?

[legendofphil]

So true. I would love to know how many 360 users had bought a second one.

Its the same with the PS1 and PS2, I know people that have had alot more than one of each of them.

[the newgod]

10 million units sold to 5 million people. I purchased a second 360, after shipping back 5 units. Most people I know own 2 lol

Yeah I had to buy a new one because my first RROD :mad:

But I fixed it cos im L33T :D

Now I have twice the fun!!!

[Salmon-Face]

Thats true, however when it comes to software attach rate Ms is way ahead of competition, millions of Wii owners only have Wiisports and didn't buy a single game yet, I didn't either I only rented like 3, makes me wonder if a hardware sale means anything if it doesn't cause any software sales, still Nintendo had their profit from the Wii itself so unlike sony or Ms they can't complain.

Very true the 360 has incredible attach rates compared to the competition. I've only got 2 games other than Wii sports and very unsatisfied with both. Only excels at parties and gathers dust inbetween.

[darthbane2k]

Very true the 360 has incredible attach rates compared to the competition. I've only got 2 games other than Wii sports and very unsatisfied with both. Only excels at parties and gathers dust inbetween.

Riiight...
So im guessing Mario Galaxy, Brawl, Zelda, Mario Kart, Prime 3 and the many more fantastic games on the Wii arent in your 2?
If your wii is gathering dust, its your own fault. There are pleanty of brilliant titles, far more than the likes of PS3. 360 admittedly has a much more veried catalogue of games.

[shompa]

A non fanboy question:
of these 10 million X360: how many have bought more then 1 system because ring of death or banned from Xlive?

I personally have bought 2 system and both are down. I am thinking about buying a third...

If this is any indicator, at least a significant part of the 10 million is people who has bought more than one console because crappy quality.

[dannybII]

Or ring up and get em replaced under warranty?
Just a thought... as you seem uncapable;)

[SystemParasite]

Who gives a f**k about the Wii? Wii ain't going to win ****. The battle is between 360 and PS3.

[Salmon-Face]

A non fanboy question:
of these 10 million X360: how many have bought more then 1 system because ring of death or banned from Xlive?

I personally have bought 2 system and both are down. I am thinking about buying a third...

If this is any indicator, at least a significant part of the 10 million is people who has bought more than one console because crappy quality.

You're telling us that you buy a new 360 each time you get rrod!?

[Signa]

I was under the impression that the phat PS2's pretty much had a 100% failure rate with the DRE. because of the nature of the flaw, it was only a matter of time for anyone with a working original ps2.

[msanchez]

I was under the impression that the phat PS2's pretty much had a 100% failure rate with the DRE. because of the nature of the flaw, it was only a matter of time for anyone with a working original ps2.

I think with all electronics it's only a matter of time before they go on you. I can say though, that both my ps2 and my ps1 still function properly (rare case I know). Likewise, there are many people with launch day 360's working properly as well. I know that design flaws don't help out your console to stand the test of time, but sometimes it's the complete lack of common sense on our part that screws them up before they should have.... yes that means you people using your 360's as maracas while they are on, or anyone that has put any console of the past 3 generations in an improperly ventilated place.