Gears of War 2 Gameplay video [Archive]

Zeus

05-10-2008, 06:35 AM

KuCo87

05-10-2008, 06:51 AM

One of the few x360 games I´d like to have for Ps3.

Looks really great :)

beterweter

05-10-2008, 07:18 AM

ooh yeah that's the stuff:D
slice n dice ,chop up that locust!!!
can't even get enough of the 1st gears of war game after all this time

another title worth waitng for.

One of the few x360 games I´d like to have for Ps3.

sorry to disapoint you but its a known fact the ps3 can't handle the game
takes full advantage of the 512mb ram

would be nice if it could handle it but it can't:(

Rotmm

05-10-2008, 07:30 AM

Stunning indeed

russcarr

05-10-2008, 07:33 AM

sorry to disapoint you but its a known fact the ps3 can't handle the game
takes full advantage of the 512mb ram

would be nice if it could handle it but it can't:(

lol, this is a known fact is it. I'd like to see some proof, oh wait you just made it up, nevermind.

on topic, the game looks great. I'll definitely be buying this

beterweter

05-10-2008, 07:45 AM

ol, this is a known fact is it. I'd like to see some proof, oh wait you just made it up, nevermind

do your research then you will find that the ps3 couldnt even handle the first gears of war "the state it was in"or "drastic changes would need to be made"
holding back the gameplay.

and when you come across this you will find that the team behind gears of war had an open mind for multi platform and did the research for it

dig and you wil find.

jotaros

05-10-2008, 07:47 AM

sorry to disapoint you but its a known fact the ps3 can't handle the game
takes full advantage of the 512mb ram

would be nice if it could handle it but it can't:(

And this is why KZ2 blow up geow2 in every sens of term ; don't make me laugh please.

anyway back to topic , great video i can hardly wait;)

KuCo87

05-10-2008, 07:50 AM

Fanboys coming up.

Hm...And Xbox couldnt handle Killzone 2,GT4 and MGS4..THATS A KNOWN FACT.
And GTA4 is laggy on Xbox...THATS A KNOWN FACT.

IN YOUR FACE!!!

Nice conversation. Really smart.

Ps : I won. The end....

Trashcat

05-10-2008, 07:58 AM

Failzone2 got geared:rolleyes:

Asuga

05-10-2008, 08:38 AM

RGTG

05-10-2008, 08:47 AM

Nice!!! Looks very cool!!!

Fanboys coming up.

Hm...And Xbox couldnt handle Killzone 2,GT4 and MGS4..THATS A KNOWN FACT.
And GTA4 is laggy on Xbox...THATS A KNOWN FACT.

IN YOUR FACE!!!

Nice conversation. Really smart.

Ps : I won. The end....

kill zone 2...not out yet
MGS4... not out yet ( btw, lots of rumor of a x360 version)
GT4 = ps3 freezes a lot / x360 DLC

so...stop dreaming and talk trash things... both consoles are good, each one with some better games than the other...go play the games you like and stop to be boring!

ando2k5

05-10-2008, 08:53 AM

lol, this is a known fact is it. I'd like to see some proof, oh wait you just made it up, nevermind.

on topic, the game looks great. I'll definitely be buying this

epic games convinced M$ to put 512mb in instead of 256mb purely for gears of war

random search on google

http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/10/27/gears-of-war-to-push-xbox-360-to-its-max/

KuCo87

05-10-2008, 08:56 AM

Nice!!! Looks very cool!!!

kill zone 2...not out yet
MGS4... not out yet ( btw, lots of rumor of a x360 version)
GT4 = ps3 freezes a lot / x360 DLC

so...stop dreaming and talk trash things... both consoles are good, each one with some better games than the other...go play the games you like and stop to be boring!

can you be more stupid ? My post was obviously ironic....

mrdj

05-10-2008, 09:10 AM

Damn! That realy looked amazing! Talk about a step further in the right direction comparing too the first one. Realy bigger enviorments in this one, and so smooth it runned. Think this will keep up with the expections of the hype! Can`t wait..

Jar Jar Insano

05-10-2008, 09:12 AM

sorry to disapoint you but its a known fact the ps3 can't handle the game
takes full advantage of the 512mb ram

would be nice if it could handle it but it can't:(

Seriously people, get a life. it would be nice to read a discussion one time without these stupid fanboy comments.

On the true note of this thread, game looks fuckin awesome, tons of new stuff, i like how they dont actually explode when u chainsaw them now but look like they got cut up. human shield....wow i dont know what to say, great idea. everything else looks awesome, can't wait for this.

rupter13612

05-10-2008, 09:15 AM

I don't give a **** which console it plays on, I just want to play the dam thing! I love how you can use the locust as shields now and snap their necks. **** that GTA IV crap and MGS 4 ****, this is going to be game of the year baby!

panzival

05-10-2008, 09:34 AM

ooh yeah that's the stuff:D
slice n dice ,chop up that locust!!!
can't even get enough of the 1st gears of war game after all this time

another title worth waitng for.

sorry to disapoint you but its a known fact the ps3 can't handle the game
takes full advantage of the 512mb ram

would be nice if it could handle it but it can't:(

Try this little research thing. The PS3 uses less RAM, but it uses a different type of RAM.

Quote (Not from article)

"Most Xbox fans argue about the PS3's lack of RAM. Except that it's a different type of RAM. The PS3 doesn't have a normal type, it has a very different type of ram called XDR, not DDR3. This different type of memory allows the RAM to interface with the CPU with varying speeds, not a fixed speed as DDR3. The PS3's XDR RAM can interface with the Cell CPU at the same clock speed as the CPU dramatically increasing the texture and polygon processing abilities of the system."

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2004/09/10/rambus-xdr-a-difference-in-a-dimm

XxBigP123xX

05-10-2008, 10:00 AM

November can't come soon enough, a great time to own a 360 and PS3.:)

haki

05-10-2008, 10:22 AM

this game is gonna be on the top of my list =)

XxPS2MANxX

05-10-2008, 10:30 AM

Try this little research thing. The PS3 uses less RAM, but it uses a different type of RAM.

Quote (Not from article)

"Most Xbox fans argue about the PS3's lack of RAM. Except that it's a different type of RAM. The PS3 doesn't have a normal type, it has a very different type of ram called XDR, not DDR3. This different type of memory allows the RAM to interface with the CPU with varying speeds, not a fixed speed as DDR3. The PS3's XDR RAM can interface with the Cell CPU at the same clock speed as the CPU dramatically increasing the texture and polygon processing abilities of the system."

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2004/09/10/rambus-xdr-a-difference-in-a-dimm

However it is still limited by 256mb of ram. A 2 door sports car is faster and better than a 4 door saloon, but both can hold 2 normal people with room to spare. However the 2 door sports cant hold 4 fat people.

Because the PS3 can process stuff faster from RAM doesnt mean it can hold more. 256 XDR is still half the size of 512 DDR3, the PS3 can only process half as much at once. This is also the reason for some foced HDD installs on the PS3. Ontop of the BlueRay speed being slow compared to DVD, some of the HDD install is used as virutal memory to make up for the PS3's lack of ram on games that went multiplatform that oridginated on the 360.

loliix

05-10-2008, 10:33 AM

lol, this is a known fact is it. I'd like to see some proof, oh wait you just made it up, nevermind.Here you go: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154633
All you had to remember is "Why Epic cost Microsoft one billion dollars".. It was very well documented in numerous sites.

mashti

05-10-2008, 10:45 AM

looks really nice ;)

saints row2,gta4,gears of war2..etc who said 08 aint a good year for xbox360 ?? :confused:

Trashcat

05-10-2008, 10:56 AM

However it is still limited by 256mb of ram. A 2 door sports car is faster and better than a 4 door saloon, but both can hold 2 normal people with room to spare. However the 2 door sports cant hold 4 fat people.
Because the PS3 can process stuff faster from RAM doesnt mean it can hold more. 256 XDR is still half the size of 512 DDR3, the PS3 can only process half as much at once. This is also the reason for some foced HDD installs on the PS3. Ontop of the BlueRay speed being slow compared to DVD, some of the HDD install is used as virutal memory to make up for the PS3's lack of ram on games that went multiplatform that oridginated on the 360.
Finally someone who got a clue. Since consoles have very limited ram its very smart to have unified memory space so that it can be fully used without jumping through any hoops. You can have 32MB ram working at 10x speed of light but it will be useless since ram's most important function is to store the data not to push it through to the cpu as fast as possible. Another advantage of the 360 is unified shader architecture that allows to fully utilize the gpu at all times. The reason for HDD installs is the slow ass blur-ay drive, as for caching I'm sure ps3 has HDD space reserved by OS for any game just like windows swap file.

Rotmm

05-10-2008, 11:00 AM

Because the PS3 can process stuff faster from RAM doesnt mean it can hold more. 256 XDR is still half the size of 512 DDR3, the PS3 can only process half as much at once. This is also the reason for some foced HDD installs on the PS3. Ontop of the BlueRay speed being slow compared to DVD, some of the HDD install is used as virutal memory to make up for the PS3's lack of ram on games that went multiplatform that oridginated on the 360.

The PS3 has 512MB Ram. It's just configured differently, in that there's 256MB for Graphics and 256MB for System.

It's true that there is slightly less usable RAM (due to heaver amounts needed for the PS3 OS, etc). It's also true the the 360's 512MB (+10MB) is accessable by both the CPU and Graphics adapter, meaning that generally speaking more optimised game code will free up more memory for textures, etc.

But it's certainly not true that the PS3 only has 256MB.

MilkyJoe

05-10-2008, 11:06 AM

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/movies/u/underworld2/speedman/180x180.jpg

LastinFirstout

05-10-2008, 11:09 AM

Finally someone who got a clue. Since consoles have very limited ram its very smart to have unified memory space so that it can be fully used without jumping through any hoops. You can have 32MB ram working at 10x speed of light but it will be useless since ram's most important function is to store the data not to push it through to the cpu as fast as possible. Another advantage of the 360 is unified shader architecture that allows to fully utilize the gpu at all times. The reason for HDD installs is the slow ass blur-ay drive, as for caching I'm sure ps3 has HDD space reserved by OS for any game just like windows swap file.

we have heard all this crap milions of times before but we are still to see a xbox 360 game that can beat UNCHARTED graphics. :rolleyes:

& this is now so imagine how graphics on PS3 games gonna be like in 2-3 years time :eek:

Boco

05-10-2008, 11:32 AM

we have heard all this crap milions of times before but we are still to see a xbox 360 game that can beat UNCHARTED graphics. :rolleyes:

& this is now so imagine how graphics on PS3 games gonna be like in 2-3 years time :eek:

Just LoL :D

Can't w8 to get my hands on goW2 looks sweeet :cool:

dreamer2050

05-10-2008, 11:45 AM

i have both consoles.
because i'm not a fanboy i can enjoy all the good games.
Try it sometime instead of sounding like a retard trying to defend the console you bought. (that goes for both of you types, 360 fanboys and ps3 fanboys)

Totally agree. i have both consoles too and when ever i see those fanboys war i cant just stop to laugh

kneehighspy

05-10-2008, 11:53 AM

loved the first one, and this one looks awesome too. gonna be a great year. first i'll be tied up with mgs4, then hopefully some decent games will come between august and november. then there will be resistance 2 and gears 2.

it's great not having to be devoted to one console. see great games are on both consoles.

kneehighspy

05-10-2008, 11:54 AM

we have heard all this crap milions of times before but we are still to see a xbox 360 game that can beat UNCHARTED graphics. :rolleyes:

& this is now so imagine how graphics on PS3 games gonna be like in 2-3 years time :eek:

imagine 360 graphics in that time too. don't be a console fanboy.

Xenogears V

05-10-2008, 12:12 PM

I don't trust these video, they are always in quality for streaming at the end. It seems the same even if more adrenalinic.

kneehighspy

05-10-2008, 12:21 PM

Try this little research thing. The PS3 uses less RAM, but it uses a different type of RAM.

Quote (Not from article)

"Most Xbox fans argue about the PS3's lack of RAM. Except that it's a different type of RAM. The PS3 doesn't have a normal type, it has a very different type of ram called XDR, not DDR3. This different type of memory allows the RAM to interface with the CPU with varying speeds, not a fixed speed as DDR3. The PS3's XDR RAM can interface with the Cell CPU at the same clock speed as the CPU dramatically increasing the texture and polygon processing abilities of the system."

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2004/09/10/rambus-xdr-a-difference-in-a-dimm

not to throw a monkey wrench here, but both systems use some form of gddr3 memory. ps3 uses xdr for system memory (256mb) and gddr3 (256mb) is in the rsx for graphics memory.

http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html

this will also kinda explain why it's not 'simple' to integrate xmb features into games.

russcarr

05-10-2008, 12:31 PM

Here you go: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154633
All you had to remember is "Why Epic cost Microsoft one billion dollars".. It was very well documented in numerous sites.

and that says the PS3 couldn't handle it where?

LastinFirstout

05-10-2008, 12:36 PM

not to throw a monkey wrench here, but both systems use some form of gddr3 memory. ps3 uses xdr for system memory (256mb) and gddr3 (256mb) is in the rsx for graphics memory.

http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html

PS3 has 2 x 256mb memory chips GDDR3 & XDR. :rolleyes:

pinchez

05-10-2008, 12:38 PM

kneehighspy

05-10-2008, 12:42 PM

PS3 has 2 x 256mb memory chips GDDR3 & XDR. :rolleyes:

subtract 80mb for xmb and other features from that. the os eats up about 64mb of that 256mb of xdr (leaving 192mb) and about 16mb from the gddr3 (leaving 240mb).

no since in getting in a pissing contest cause i can read specs just like anyone else, i just don't skew them to point toward my console of choice.

here's some on the ps3 memory from my link posted.

"The PS3 has 256MB of 400Mhz Rambus XDR main system memory . While the earlier models used Samsung chips, the newer models starting with CECHG uses Elpida. Note that another 256MB of GDDR3 memory is located in the RSX and is separate. When running, the operating system uses up 64MB of the XDR, leaving 192MB for games and applications (32MB are also taken from the GDDR3 video memory). It seems possible to increase available system ram, as the current OS takes a smaller 80MB total footprint (XDR and GDDR3), with the ability to pre-empt even more modules that are not needed. Games needing extra features (like in-game XMB) will of course do the opposite and will reduce available ram."

also, specs on paper don't mean much, it's the developers we all look to, to show us what our systems are capable of.

it's up to the fanboys to misuse that info and skew it towards their system preferences.

personally i'm happy with my 360, ps3 and wii. i'll be playing mgs4 next month and then later this year i'll be playing gears 2 along with resistance 2. so you guys (the fanboys) can toss about which system you want to argue over, i'll be gaming instead.

BurningLung

05-10-2008, 12:50 PM

Looks excellent!

I thought the Uncharted remark was hilarious too. There are more than a half dozen games on both consoles that have better graphics than uncharted.

And I don't know anything about PS3 not being able to runs this. But obviously the 360 runs PS3 designed games better than the PS3 runs 360 designed games. Thats why it's easier for devs to use the PS3 as the lead console then port it to the 360, because the 360 has less problem running games developed on the PS3. While the PS3 does struggle to run games designed on the 360 or PC.. Don't know if it's because the PS3 is that much harder to develope on or if it just can't handle it.

LastinFirstout

05-10-2008, 01:06 PM

so you guys (the fanboys) can toss about which system you want to argue over, i'll be gaming instead.

ok why dont you start gaming now so you can stop arguing with everyone from today. :rolleyes:

kskrew4life

05-10-2008, 01:48 PM

loliix

05-10-2008, 01:58 PM

and that says the PS3 couldn't handle it where?Take for instance the "Splinter Cell" franchise. It can run on PS3, XBOX360, PS2, XBOX, PSP, NDS, and any Java powered phone.
Do you get the point or need a picture?

medicine_pill

05-10-2008, 01:58 PM

Nice footage.

Taft

05-10-2008, 02:01 PM

Lol yet another fanboy battle :D
It have to show up everywhere does it? ;)

Anyway game looks great can't wait until November!
Loved first one, this sure will be better. And co-op gonna rock! :D

modojojo

05-10-2008, 02:10 PM

personally i'm happy with my 360, ps3 and wii. i'll be playing mgs4 next month and then later this year i'll be playing gears 2 along with resistance 2. so you guys (the fanboys) can toss about which system you want to argue over, i'll be gaming instead.

Well said, I also have all 3 consoles, and will be playing the best all 3 have to offer.

t0ywizard

05-10-2008, 02:16 PM

arashb

05-10-2008, 02:19 PM

Sweet finally this game is coming :).

ooh yeah that's the stuff:D
slice n dice ,chop up that locust!!!
can't even get enough of the 1st gears of war game after all this time

another title worth waitng for.

sorry to disapoint you but its a known fact the ps3 can't handle the game
takes full advantage of the 512mb ram

would be nice if it could handle it but it can't:(

You are such an idiot.

Drizzt007

05-10-2008, 02:23 PM

its about time. I hope they're already working on GOW 3 as well,lol.
the only other game I can't wait for is tapout.

Asuga

05-10-2008, 03:50 PM

not everyone is as rich and spoild as u
Spoiled because i work 8 hours a day to buy my own things?

Not everyone lives at home with their mommy and daddy.

zetsurin

05-10-2008, 04:43 PM

Because the PS3 can process stuff faster from RAM doesnt mean it can hold more. 256 XDR is still half the size of 512 DDR3, the PS3 can only process half as much at once.

You are CLUELESS when it comes to technology, so don't even try to comment on it in figure. I have been a software developer most likely since you were in diapers/nappies or whatever they call them where you come from.

Let's disect your studity:

"Because the PS3 can process stuff faster from RAM doesnt mean it can hold more"

Holding more in this case is negated by the fact it DOESN'T HAVE TO. Comprende? Information can be transferred faster on an as-needed basis. It doesn't suffer from the lower speed of the lesser RAM the 360 sports so DOESN'T NEED to hold it all at once. This is further amplified by the fact that not all 360 models have HDD storage and need to hold as much in RAM at once as pulling this information in on-demand from CD-ROM would lead to all sorts of problems like, oh, the pop-in in GTA IV for example. Ironic that the PS3 with it's teensy miniscle (yeah, right) video RAM seems to handle itself better than the 360, no?

"256 XDR is still half the size of 512 DDR3, the PS3 can only process half as much at once."

MORE RUBBISH. Size of memory doesn't mean it can _process_ half as much at all. PROCESS and STORE - those words mean two entirely different things.

Go away, do a technology degree, and when you are old enough, return to these forums and comment.

russcarr

05-10-2008, 05:35 PM

Take for instance the "Splinter Cell" franchise. It can run on PS3, XBOX360, PS2, XBOX, PSP, NDS, and any Java powered phone.
Do you get the point or need a picture?

no I don't get your point, what you have said is totally irrelevant. yes Splinter Cell games can run on any of those platforms but they will be different games eg. PS3/360 game, PS2 gets a similar game with lower graphics, PSP gets a PS2 port and DS and phones get a 2D version.

What was said is that Gears as it is would not be possible on PS3. Maybe it is possible, maybe it isn't but unless you work for Epic then none of us will know!

KuCo87

05-10-2008, 05:36 PM

kneehighspy

05-10-2008, 05:53 PM

ok why dont you start gaming now so you can stop arguing with everyone from today. :rolleyes:

uh there was no argument in my post, just posting facts. i'll get back to gaming tomorrow.

kneehighspy

05-10-2008, 06:04 PM

Who cares about fu*king system specs ?
Ps2 had 32MB ram and 4MB Vram and 233mhz. Now look at GOWII or GT4.
Show me a PC with these Specs running those graphics...

Numbers means a ****. It`s about the whole thing.

XboX360 is a PC in a small case.
Ps3 is something else...it`s hard to tell how strong the hardware is.
That was Sony`s way to success with Ps2 and will be with Ps3.
Games become better and better cause Dev`s learn to make use the hardware.

XboX games dont really evolve that much.....Just PC-Hardware....payed by Microsoft to make it cheaper than normal PCs.

PS: Unreal Engine runs perfectly on Ps3. So GoW is NO PROBLEM AT ALL on Ps3...

Jesus

how is the 360 considered a pc in a small case? most pc's that used the ppc processors were mac's and the ppc processor used in the 360 was designed for the 360, whereas the cell was designed for ps3 first, but will be used in other products down the road.

the last xbox was a pc in a small case, it used most off the shelf components. the 360 only uses a hard drive and dvd drive that could be considered off the shelf. everything else was designed specifically for the 360.

is the ps3 considered a pc in a medium sized box? no, but you could probably say so cause it uses a standard 3 prong ac power cord that is used with most pc's and it uses the same sata 2.5" hard drives that most laptops use.......sounds like a dumb conclusion also doesn't it?

so in all honesty, neither the wii, ps3 or 360 are considered 'pc's in a small box'.

the only thing i would probably agree on is that gears would probably run on a ps3 using the same engine as ut3.

modojojo

05-10-2008, 06:32 PM

WOW looks awesome

With regards to Uncharted, while this is a great game the graphics are no where
near as good as GoW let alone GoW2.

I'm not being a fanboy i own both but it's obvious in my eye's which console games look best on and that's the 360 although i do love my PS3 :)

While I've played both. IMO Uncharted edged GOW slightly due to Gears minimal color palate(most of gears looked black, white, grey with touches of color here and there) although It was done well.

dalezer

05-10-2008, 06:34 PM

FREAKIN WOW!!!

I WANNA PLAY NOW!!!! :eek::eek::D:D:D

dalezer

05-10-2008, 06:44 PM

And GTA4 is laggy on Xbox...THATS A KNOWN FACT.

Its runs perfectly smooth & looks really great, with no freezing issues like the PS3. :rolleyes:

kneehighspy

05-10-2008, 08:30 PM

While I've played both. IMO Uncharted edged GOW slightly due to Gears minimal color palate(most of gears looked black, white, grey with touches of color here and there) although It was done well.

i agree that uncharted had more colors, but personally, gears looked better to me than uncharted.

the color comparisons will change once mgs4 hits, then everyone will think that greyscale like 'colors' look great, then once gears2 releases, they will say that greyscale like 'colors' suck once again. but i think that's the type of imagery that both mgs4 and gears is trying for.

if programming todays consoles is anything like programming older pc's (apple 2e, c-64) then i ran into the issues back then, where its easier to get better performance from black and white images than color images, mainly because back then, to get a certain color onscreen, you had to blend two (or more) different pixels together to get the color you wanted, so it took a little more processor time to draw the additional pixels.

but with the power of todays consoles, that shouldn't be an issue.

droideka

05-10-2008, 11:51 PM

The game just looks amazing... I saw the demo that epic showed before with the hundreds of locust running around and spotted that in this video, so I hope they include all the goodies of the new and improved Unreal engine in gow2, like the interactive environments were you can shoot the concrete walls and see the steel framing and the organic physics of the meat cube and quicksilver ball. Those were amazing. Also the new lighting effects. Also someone said that this was a bit slow, but gears is not a run and gun game like unreal tournament and that is why is so great.

I'm looking forward to MGS4 and killzone 2, but from what i've seen, this, for me , takes the cake for my most wanted game. I repeat for me as i'm not a huge fan of metal gear(even though i played and enjoyed the previous ones on ps2) and i'm tired of run and gun fps. That was what i liked about the first it had such a unique gameplay.

Now if they could fix the host power problem on the online i would be very happy

loliix

05-11-2008, 04:50 AM

yes Splinter Cell games can run on any of those platforms but they will be different games.

(..)

What was said is that Gears as it is would not be possible on PS3. Maybe it is possible, maybe it isn't but unless you work for Epic then none of us will know!So you do get the point, it can but it will be different.

This is a futile discussion.
Metacode for PS3 and XBOX360 are completely different due to their shader and architectural differences, so no, as it is it will never run on PS3.

I don't need to work for Epic to read Mark Rein comments. He has already spoken of this back in the original GoW, numerous sites quoted him directly, it is there to be read. I won't lose more time trying to make a point to someone who already has his mind set. Obviously you know better than Rein.

dalezer

05-11-2008, 09:17 AM

So you do get the point, it can but it will be different.

This is a futile discussion.
Metacode for PS3 and XBOX360 are completely different due to their shader and architectural differences, so no, as it is it will never run on PS3.

I don't need to work for Epic to read Mark Rein comments. He has already spoken of this back in the original GoW, numerous sites quoted him directly, it is there to be read. I won't lose more time trying to make a point to someone who already has his mind set. Obviously you know better than Rein.

Lead development for Tom Clancey games is 99% xbox including Splinter Cell. Then ported to PS3.

XxPS2MANxX

05-11-2008, 09:19 AM

You are CLUELESS when it comes to technology, so don't even try to comment on it in figure. I have been a software developer most likely since you were in diapers/nappies or whatever they call them where you come from.

Let's disect your studity:

"Because the PS3 can process stuff faster from RAM doesnt mean it can hold more"

Holding more in this case is negated by the fact it DOESN'T HAVE TO. Comprende? Information can be transferred faster on an as-needed basis. It doesn't suffer from the lower speed of the lesser RAM the 360 sports so DOESN'T NEED to hold it all at once. This is further amplified by the fact that not all 360 models have HDD storage and need to hold as much in RAM at once as pulling this information in on-demand from CD-ROM would lead to all sorts of problems like, oh, the pop-in in GTA IV for example. Ironic that the PS3 with it's teensy miniscle (yeah, right) video RAM seems to handle itself better than the 360, no?

"256 XDR is still half the size of 512 DDR3, the PS3 can only process half as much at once."

MORE RUBBISH. Size of memory doesn't mean it can _process_ half as much at all. PROCESS and STORE - those words mean two entirely different things.

Go away, do a technology degree, and when you are old enough, return to these forums and comment.

Thanks for proving me right, retard :rolleyes: See the Bold? Now Take away the HDD installs on the PS3 and try again. The 360 DOESNT NEED a HDD install because it has suffient ram and a decent drive read speed. PS3 has Neither. Name ONE good PS3 game that doesnt require a HDD Install. None? What a surprise there.

PS3 cant process stuff that isnt stored in Random Access Memory or Virtual Random Access Memory because it cant access it. Now PS3 NEEDS VRAM because it doesnt have enough RAM. Half as much as a 360, so it can process 1/2 as much because it can only store 1/2 as much without usng VRAM. Many PS3 games wouldnt work on PS3 without the massive HDD installs. Hell now that I think of it, the Massive HDD installs is proberly because the PS3 cant even use VRAM properly so it installs everything the PS3 could possibly ever want to access, because last time I checked VRAM opperates the same as RAM just alot slower.

Take your own advice and redo that degree if you really have one, before some checks if its valid. Seriously kid, your as thick as pigshit :rolleyes:

droideka

05-11-2008, 12:28 PM

This argument is moot. Without knowing the other specs it dosen't matter how much ram a console has. Things like bottlenecking data transfer are important also. BUS speed determines the amount of data that can be transfered, so you could have 5 GB of ram but if the transfer rate is low it dosen't matter. So unless you have dissected both consoles and know for a fact this and this works that way, there's really no reason to assume that 256 but faster ram is better then 512 but slower or vice versa.

Let's see... Take a container of water that holds 256 l . It has a pump that can pump in/out 125 l/s BUT the pipes have a diameter that dosen't allow more than 25 l/s. what good does it make having a good pump and a large container if the pipes can't handle that much water.

My point is it's a combination of a lot of factors not only ram size and speed.

In my opinion the install on ps3 is mainly due to the fact that the Blueray drive is slow as hell. Developers said that blueray has a lot of storage, but they were using it for redundant data. They are repeating the same data through out the disk so the drive can access wich bit of data is closer to reduce loading times. Installing the game they don't have to do this anymore and at the same time can have other advantages as well but for the user is a hassle in several ways. You have to wait for the install and of course with each install you lose storage in the hdd. The installs should be optional in BOTH consoles(like unreal tournament for ps3), and let's face xbox without a hdd is not an option so just include one and get rid of the core or arcade or whatever name MS is pushing these days and let players decide if they want to install or not.

Let's face it sony droped the ball with bluray, not by including it but by forcing developers to use it. If they would allow developers to release games in dvd these installs would not be mandatory, but no, they force them to release exclusively on bluray. I have seen more than once that test disks use common dvds as opposed to full blurays.

In the other hand MS droped the ball by not including a hdd in all consoles and forcing user's to slower loading times.

I thought this generation was all about the options but that's just a sugar coat with the "options" being boring peripherals no one cares. The options i would like would be stuff that made my games run smoother and/or load faster and/or without hassles.

I hope this settles things and we can be back on topic. I really hate when I go to a forum about a game and hope to see people commenting on the game, like that's a cool feature or i hope they got rid of that from the first etc. and instead it turns into an argument about the size of the consoles d*cks.

Rotmm

05-11-2008, 01:07 PM

Seriously kid, your as thick as pigshit :rolleyes:

Seriously, this argument between yourself and zetsurin is very much a case of dumb and dumber. Neither of you even have the technical basics of the two systems down, so are arguing from a starting point that doesn't actually exist.

But in an further attempt to educate yourself, start from the point where the PS3 has 512MB Ram and go from there.

XxPS2MANxX

05-11-2008, 04:04 PM

But in an further attempt to educate yourself, start from the point where the PS3 has 512MB Ram and go from there.

if you want to include the PS3's Graphic memory in the argument include the 360's aswell, witch is another 256 mb for the 360. :rolleyes:

droideka

05-11-2008, 05:18 PM

BeyondInfinity

05-11-2008, 05:45 PM

This thread is going in circles. I can't believe that people can talk about the same thing on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

I'm going crazy. I think i'l be quiet now and leave MAXFUCKINGCONSOLE to all of you retards! yeah i said it... You'r all morons!!!! BLA BLA BLA RAM BLA BLA BLA 256 bla bla ps3 bla bla bla.

Good bye.

Shoving a flame into a heated discussion, sitting there with your little bowl and spoon. But tbh, the Ps3 and 360 both have their drawbacks sure the Ps3 has tons of power, but it bottle necks at some point also the 360 doesnt have the raw power but it doesn't have reliability either.