Is there a way to copy the Gamecube Games

[Goki31]

I have some questions for you guys. If u did make an Gamecube game ISO can u just burn it on a mini DVD? Also, will the game work like a regular Gamecube game? Has anyone tried it and can someone tell me if it was successful or not.. Thank you:mad:

[wolfien]

humm letme think.. in 1 years.. no.. nobody actually try your ingenious way!

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yes it has been tryed.. no it's not working.. u have to use "streaming" if u want to play your backup and even then it's not all the game that are working.

wolfien-

[Goki31]

I really haven't taken an interest in Gamecube, but now that the console is much cheaper than it originated I thought this would be something to venture in. Unfortunately, like u said. The method that I describe does not work and the only way to play back up games is through streaming. So, in other words my Gamecube has to be hooked up directly with PC and stream the save Gamecube games off of my PC right? This sounds to me like a lot of hassel. The XBox is much simpler compared to Gamecube. Anyways, thanks again Wolf for your reply..:mad:

[shark2003]

You have to get a BBA (broadband adapter) and PSO (phantasy star online) in order to copy and stream to your gamecube via Cat 5 crossover cable or straight through with hub. I chose GC because a. its cheap b. got alot of old favs like mario,metroid and zelda you cant play on any other platform or PC. c. curious to copy games and see how this all works. Its really not much of a hassle,but you have to shell out a few deneros for the PSO and BBA. I bought both online and spent around $80.00 all together,but its worth it,you might be able to get these at a good price if you go to ebay,I was tired of getting outbid by foolish people who wanted to pay more than what other sites were advertising. Optimistically,someone will eventually figure out how to burn these onto mini dvds in the near future,just have to be patient and in the mean time use the streaming,I've played Mario Kart DD so far and it has a few glitches but still very playable,better than some N64 emulators I have tried in the past.:rolleyes:

[chipito]

Even if you can burn Gamecube ISO's onto mini disc won't you have to chip the Gamecube?
Which is where the problem is...........
I am building up a collection of gcm's but have read that the broadband adaptor is hard to get hold of.
Is this not like a normal broadband modem then?

Can't you you just connect a crossover cable to the NIC in the PC?

[mirsch]

Originally posted by chipito
Even if you can burn Gamecube ISO's onto mini disc won't you have to chip the Gamecube?
Which is where the problem is...........
I am building up a collection of gcm's but have read that the broadband adaptor is hard to get hold of.
Is this not like a normal broadband modem then?

Can't you you just connect a crossover cable to the NIC in the PC?

Ehm.. yes. But there is no ethernet port on the cube... that's what the broadband adapter is. A NIC for your cube.

[Console_Cracker]

How is it worth it? You can't even put the GC in the same class as the modded xbox. The modded xbox can do SO much more for ALOT cheaper.

for instance:

new GC:$99 USD
GC bba: $45 USD
PSO : $50 USD

vs.

New (or refurb) xbox: $139
Software exploit to mod it: FREE

... plus it already has USB support, a network adapter, hard drive and it can read full size discs. (and the drives can be swapped out)

The GC has too many limitations for right now. And the lack of a hard drive makes it hard to do anything productive with it. Plus it lacks memory and CPU speed. Overall, it sucks butt :p

Hands down, the xbox kicks the GC's a$$.

C_C

[mirsch]

Originally posted by Console_Cracker
How is it worth it? You can't even put the GC in the same class as the modded xbox. The modded xbox can do SO much more for ALOT cheaper.

for instance:

new GC:$99 USD
GC bba: $45 USD
PSO : $50 USD

vs.

New (or refurb) xbox: $139
Software exploit to mod it: FREE

... plus it already has USB support, a network adapter, hard drive and it can read full size discs. (and the drives can be swapped out)

The GC has too many limitations for right now. And the lack of a hard drive makes it hard to do anything productive with it. Plus it lacks memory and CPU speed. Overall, it sucks butt :p

Hands down, the xbox kicks the GC's a$$.

C_C

For hardware, yes, the xbox is a lot better than the cube. For games, the xbox sucls (at least the games I've tried). If you want to discuss xbox-modding, why not head over to the xbox-forum...?

I bought my cube to play games, not to run linux on it. Now that I can run linux on it (and hopefully soon play divx/mpeg videos and emulators on it) that's just an excellent bonus. And I got my cube with BBA, PSO, 3 controllers, 3 memcards and three more games for under $50 used :D (well, I actually bought it with 11 games and managed to sell the 7 I didn't want for way more than they were worth... But still ;).

[Console_Cracker]

without the hardware... you lack in performance.

with a 486mhz processor, playing divx movies will be about all it will be able to do. With only 40mb of total memory, you wont be able to do much.

Im aware that there are xbox forums (if you look, im all over them all ready)... but I was just saying, there is NO comparison between the xbox and GC.

Obviously you havent played many xbox games. For online (xbox live), first person shooters and sports games, they cant be beat! They have excelent support for {most} of thier services and products. Thats more then I can say for any of Nintendo's past ventures. (n64 anyone?.. can we say NO support) The only thing that the GC has over the xbox is loading times from the disc drive. BUT since the xbox can load games from the hard drive... it loads WAY faster then the GC.

I was saying that overall, the GC is worthless (unless you get it for $50 with a million games, controllers, and whatever else) But the odds of everyone being able to find a deal like that is non-existant for the normal person.

Do you have a modded xbox to be able to form your own comparison?

C_C

[polyqueen]

Obviously this discussion has turned into a XBOX vs. GC arguement, so I'll offer my 2 cents knowing that it's not going to change anybody's mind. Being from Canada, I'll list off the canadian prices.
1.) Gamecube - 100 bucks - comes with one game.
2.) BBA - 50 bucks
3.) PSO - a whopping 76 bucks
total = 226 bucks

(in the end you get 2 games - PSO and game that comes with GC)

Now for the xbox:
1.) Xbox - 235 bucks (cheapest I've found it new) It comes with 2 games, depending on the pack you get....but who's gonna really consider Tetris worth more than 5 bucks?

So, really they're the same price. If you're going to do the software hack, you need to know someone with a hacked Xbox who can download the save hacks to the memory card. Other wise you have to patch one of your controllers so it can plug into the USB port, or you have to purchase Action Replay (which allows you to do this) (60 bucks Canadian)

So, unless you know someone with a hacked Xbox, you have lot of work cut out for you and more money to spend. I mean, you might as well just buy a modchip for the 60 bucks they're charging! (I recently considered buying an xbox)

My second point.
I have found that the only reason people say that games on the xbox "look better" is because the xbox put a shiney effect on everything (and I mean everything) Look at Halo PC. It kinda looks really crappy without all the shineyness. Also, look at cell shaded games on the xbox. Compared to the PS2 and GC, they look like plastic and not comics.

My 3rd point:
I would much rather play more original games with variety in them than slower paced copies of games. When I play xbox at my friend's house I really get bored of the games fast, seeing how repetitive they become. This doesn't happen with me so much with my GC. Perhaps it's because they're catered to A.D.D. kids, but I have no problems.

So really, I'm not telling you that you should sell you xbox and buy a gamecube, 'cause I'm sure you'd find much more excitement from what you have right now. But just because you don't enjoy a system doesn't mean you have to bash it. As for me, I'm gonna wait for Metroid Prime 2. Bring it on.

P.S. By the way, I think I failed to mention that that Gamecube has a far higher framerate than the Xbox in games - my friends find it harder to play than the GC for this reason. Basically, the GC runs SMOOTHER (main processing power isn't everything). There are a few upside to the GC! :)

Sorry if this turned into Xbox bashing. I don't hate the xbox. I just hate when people make hate statements about the GC.

[mirsch]

Originally posted by Console_Cracker
without the hardware... you lack in performance.
with a 486mhz processor, playing divx movies will be about all it will be able to do. With only 40mb of total memory, you wont be able to do much.
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Obviously you havent played many xbox games. For online (xbox live), first person shooters and sports games, they cant be beat!
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I was saying that overall, the GC is worthless
C_C

Point 1: What on earth would you want to do with linux on a console that takes more processor power than playing a divx movie!? It's not like anyone would ever use a console connected to a TV for any actual computer-work. I have a fucking computer for that. It has enough power to play movies and emulators for all the old nintendo consoles, which is all I want (including N64 actually, as there already exists an emu for that).

Point 2: I have friends with X-boxes. I hate first-person-shooters and sports games (except for racing, but in my opinion that doesn't get better than F-Zero GX). I haven't played one single xbox game that i REALLY liked. Sure, some are entertaining for a while, but you kinda get the feeling they are all just the same, as the other guy mentioned... Most of the games I own are exclusive to the cube, and it's for those games that I bought it. The only games I'm currently playing are Zelda: WW, F-Zero GX, Mario Kart: DD, Doshin the Giant, Super Mario Sunshine and Crazy Taxi. Only Crazy Taxi is even available for any other console, and in my opinion all of the others are the absolute best games of their type, any console (well, doshin is kinda weird, but it was so fucking cheap I just HAD to buy it :).

Point 3: WHAT is worthless about it!? That it has superior games? That it has shorter loading times (even from disc there is ~0 waiting in most games, so your point about the xbox being faster with a HD is just plain wrong for most games). It has a processor that's a little slower, but processor speed isn't only measured in MHz. GC uses a PPC, the xbox an intel x86. Totally diffrent architectures, just comparing MHz is not fair. The way to compare gaming consoles is to do what they were made for - play games! I wouldn't trade my cube for an xbox even if you paid me for it.

I don't really see one single advantage the xbox has over the gamecube for my needs. I guess your needs are different though, so I'm sure the xbox suits you better! One big difference might be that I actually BUY the games I want, so I don't care much about chiping and copying possibilities.

[mirsch]

Originally posted by mirsch
It has enough power to play movies and emulators for all the old nintendo consoles, which is all I want (including N64 actually, as there already exists an emu for that).


note: "it" here refers to the cube, not my computer...

[nukleuzdj]

GC is better than Xbox for one reason THE GAMES
anything half good on xbox is out on PC with better graphics anyway

out of the thousounds of xbox games only one is actully refered to as a classic HALO (which is out now on PC and is crap on both anyway really)

id choose maio kart or zelda over any xbox game..

[nukleuzdj]

and also 2 GC's + 2 BBA's + 2 mario karts = best 8 player multiplayer EVER

[Console_Cracker]

First off, if your going to quote me mirsch, quote ALL of what I said, not just the parts that you feel like picking apart.

secondly, this wasnt a GC vs xbox bash.. I was simply stating a fact. I own all the consoles myself, so i can speak from firsthand expirence. can you?? no... you have only seen them or herd about them... but if you dont own one... you have NO idea.

the prices in canada may be more expencive for the xbox (because everything thats american gets taxed to hell there... vice versa too). But thats one of the few exceptions.

Also, like I said, you have to buy ALOT of extra crap for the GC. but to make the adapters to hook up the xbox to pc costs VERY little (i used a usb port from an extra usb cord that i had laying around and spliced it into the controller dongle) {to load the exploits without needing to know someone with a modded box}.. cost of the adapter,,, $0. Problem solved.


Point 1: What on earth would you want to do with linux on a console that takes more processor power than playing a divx movie!? It's not like anyone would ever use a console connected to a TV for any actual computer-work. I have a fucking computer for that. It has enough power to play movies and emulators for all the old nintendo consoles, which is all I want (including N64 actually, as there already exists an emu for that).

A linux console that takes more power then playing a divx movie?
... and there are VGA boxes to make the resolution high enough to see everything clear and crisp. (and these can be made fairly cheap too)

Point 2: I have friends with X-boxes. I hate first-person-shooters and sports games (except for racing, but in my opinion that doesn't get better than F-Zero GX). I haven't played one single xbox game that i REALLY liked. Sure, some are entertaining for a while, but you kinda get the feeling they are all just the same, as the other guy mentioned... Most of the games I own are exclusive to the cube, and it's for those games that I bought it. The only games I'm currently playing are Zelda: WW, F-Zero GX, Mario Kart: DD, Doshin the Giant, Super Mario Sunshine and Crazy Taxi. Only Crazy Taxi is even available for any other console, and in my opinion all of the others are the absolute best games of their type, any console (well, doshin is kinda weird, but it was so fucking cheap I just HAD to buy it

Ill agree with the fact that they are more original and exclusive... but that doesnt make them better. For being a dvd system.... the GC has the WORST digital audio I have EVER heard for a console. Its like the n64 for christ sake On a home theather.. it sounds like crap.

Point 3: WHAT is worthless about it!? That it has superior games? That it has shorter loading times (even from disc there is ~0 waiting in most games, so your point about the xbox being faster with a HD is just plain wrong for most games). It has a processor that's a little slower, but processor speed isn't only measured in MHz. GC uses a PPC, the xbox an intel x86. Totally diffrent architectures, just comparing MHz is not fair. The way to compare gaming consoles is to do what they were made for - play games! I wouldn't trade my cube for an xbox even if you paid me for it.

Dude.. your on crack. Like I said... do you have one in order to make that comparison?? No.
Im totaly aware that the GC uses a PPC... and yes, its NOT fair to measure it in mhz... because the ps2 and the GC have 128bit processors!! The xbox isnt! Of course its going to have smoother 'high motion' textures!! :rolleyes:

I don't really see one single advantage the xbox has over the gamecube for my needs. I guess your needs are different though, so I'm sure the xbox suits you better! One big difference might be that I actually BUY the games I want, so I don't care much about chiping and copying possibilities.

For YOUR needs... thats the objective word here. Well, YOU arent the only one on the planet. Its a proven fact that people like multi-functional devices compaired to a single function object. I like more for my money... not to pay more for less.
I never even brought up the fact of copying games because that too can be done with the GC. I buy my games too.. thats another reason why I didnt mention it.

polyqueen... your right... framerates are higher.. but what does that matter when there is a bottleneck due to the lack of ram?? (16mb of graphics memory?!)

Finaly, I wasnt 'bashing' the gamecube... earlier in this thread this was said: The XBox is much simpler compared to Gamecube.
... and that is true. So, before people start getting all defencive... you should read before you start cussing people out over somthing that neither of you have any clue about (i have all of the systems myself to be able to compare... do you?)

and yes, yes, the games, the games... the games... like i said... i agree. BUT 8 player mario cart is nothing compaired to 16 player halo. have you ever tried it?

Trust me... I'm the LAST damn person to stick up for Micro$oft... but this time.. they actualy did somthing right (too bad they cant make thier software less hacker friendly) :p

C_C

[morpherex]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chipito
Even if you can burn Gamecube ISO's onto mini disc won't you have to chip the Gamecube?
Which is where the problem is...........
I am building up a collection of gcm's but have read that the broadband adaptor is hard to get hold of.
Is this not like a normal broadband modem then?

Can't you you just connect a crossover cable to the NIC in the PC? [/QUOTEI guess I orderd mine from EBGames just-in-time... I don't see it anymore on there.

You can always ebay it.

[polyqueen]

Have you given the GC a fair chance? Sounds like you're hung up on the "adult" image of the xbox that Microsoft is attempting to portray.

Ok. after than, I've got 3 really quick comments.

1.) Microsoft, as you said, did everything right. They may have made a hum-dinger of a system, but have you heard the news? They still haven't made a cent from it, in fact they continue to loose money from it, not that it matters to them. So, if nintendo was to do it Microsoft's way, they'd be out of buisiness.

2.) Your comment on the Gamecube's audio - outrageous. Is Dolby Prologic 2 not good enough for you? Have you not played Metroid prime? There is plenty of lovely audio to go around. (I will admit that some games have crap for sound, but the xbox also has it's share)

3) A while ago I bought a gamecube, a game, memory card, and cheap DVD player for the price I could get an xbox (as I can still do now). You can't use the xbox DVD player unless you spend 50 bucks for the remote (what a stupid money-making gimick!), which is what I spent on my DVD player (which by the way has more functions than the xbox one, and is still working fine - bought it at Wallmart!)

In closing, stating the the GC sucks is not a fact. It's a personal opinion. I have no desire to purchase an xbox except for 2 reasons - conker's bad fur day, and perfect dark - which are both not out now, and it doesn't look like they'll be out for a while. For now, I'll stick with my faster processing, higher framerate GC......with the games I enjoy.......and don't get sick of.
THE END

[polyqueen]

About that relatively hard-to-find BBA - I walked into EB....in the mall.......and bought one off the shelf. I had a harder time finding PSO, since it has been discontinued, but I eventually found that at Wallmart.....they had a big stack......guess they couldn't sell them.

Hope you guys have such luck.

[mirsch]

Originally posted by Console_Cracker
First off, if your going to quote me mirsch, quote ALL of what I said, not just the parts that you feel like picking apart.


If I was to quote everythin my post would have been about a billion pages. I quoted the parts I wanted to comment... Your whole message was right above it if anyone wanted to see the rest for god's sake...

And the thing about "my needs" was the whole point of my message! YOU are telling people that the xbos IS better, not that you think it's better. There's a big difference. And personally I prefere having one machine for doing computer-stuff (a computer...), one for playing console games (a gaming console...) and another for watching DVDs (a DVD-player...). That way I can get the one that does the work best, instead of having one machine that does everything, but half-crappy. What the rest of the world thinks I don't really care about, because honestly, the world i populated by idiots. And that's a proven fact.

And if you don't care about copying games and stuff, why are most of your comments related to just that!? Like easy to modify etc... I don't even need to modify my cube AT ALL to play pirated games, or run linux. All I need is a BBA and a copy of PSO, which doesn't cost much more than a chip for the xbox anyway, and they have other uses (like actually playing PSO online...). OK, so the xbox has ethernet built in from the start, that is an advantage, but a very small one... The BBA is NOT "a lot of extra crap". For the xbox you need to build crap yourself, and probably invalidate your guarantee at that.

And you're right, I don't own an xbox, so I can't really make a totally fair comparision, but as I said, I have friends with xboxes (you know, actual friends, that I hang out with in real life, heard of that?) so I have used it plenty. I have not only "seen or heard about it". And I don't like it. It's as easy as that. That's why I'm not buying it.

your comment to the linux/divx-bit I don't even understand!? What are you trying to say there?

The sound bit I can't really say anything about since I'm using crappy TV speakers right now, you might be right about that.

And I still consider it to be simpler to use the PSO exploit than to need to chip your machine or build your own USB-adaptor to modify it.

Anyway, there's not much point in bashing each other, is there? We have different opinions and preferences. Big deal, the world keeps on turning. Hope your not taking anything to personal! Have a nice day.

[Console_Cracker]

so, just wondering... i just got another cube setup sitting here. This one, i cant get it to run the PSO expoit. does anyone know if the newer versions of PSO are patched? (im trying to get this badboy running for a friend... but it cant connect) any ideas?

C_C

PS: sorry o dont have time to reply to others comments right now.. I'm under a pile of chemistry homework :p Ill be back later to argue. (no.. its not personal. debate is fun :) )

[mirsch]

Originally posted by Console_Cracker
so, just wondering... i just got another cube setup sitting here. This one, i cant get it to run the PSO expoit. does anyone know if the newer versions of PSO are patched? (im trying to get this badboy running for a friend... but it cant connect) any ideas?

C_C

PS: sorry o dont have time to reply to others comments right now.. I'm under a pile of chemistry homework :p Ill be back later to argue. (no.. its not personal. debate is fun :) )

I think some new version do more checking to see that it really connects to a real sega server, but PSOLoad 2.0 should work with any version of PSO. Try that!

[Console_Cracker]

I thought that was odd too. Ive tried both versions of PSOloader... neither worked :( Any other ideas?

I find this odd... because I set up PSOs network settings... then when I try to ping it... at the requests time out. Is this normal? On my other cube, I can ping it... but this newer one seems to be giving me problems. (this is a newer BBA and PSO... but the console is older)

C_C

[polyqueen]

I bought my PSO and Network Adapter 2 weeks ago, and my GC I bought almost 2 years ago. They work peachy. PSO plus, and PSO 3 are rumored to have the PSO hack fixed, so if you have those, it might be your problem. Timing out doesn't sound normal. Are you certain that your GC and PC are communicating?

[Console_Cracker]

Im not sure. there is activity over the hub that links them. i even removed the hub and ran a chossover cable instead. it didnt change it.

BUT... i did notice that I have to enter the S/N for PSO everytime I boot it up and try to get everything ready for the GC to connect to the dns server in the PC.

if i remember correctly, it gives a 101 error of some kind and that the DNS server couldnt be reached. check provider settings and try again.

any ideas? im stuck

C_C

[polyqueen]

If you have to enter the settings on the Gamecube everytime, obviously it's either not saving or loading properly. Check your memory card maybe. When it goes to the trippin' out screen, it loads the network settings from your memory card. If they're not saved properly, it won't load them properly, and PSO will not connect to the DNS server on your PC. Hope that helps yah!