Wasabi...anyone else (esp. installers) had this problem?

[Silver Surfer]

I have installed a couple of Wasabi's and they seem to be working perfectly.
Installed ok, all connections ok, no shorts, no extra flux and good to go.

On one console after screwing it back together it wouldn't accept discs, so thought the connection had gone loose. Took apart, rechecked, loaded ok, screwed together. Wouldn't load discs.
By not loading I mean it acted as if there was a physical block on the drive and not taking the disc in.

Took that same console apart 4 times and was about to give up thinking I had either a faulty Wasabi, a screwed install even though I had checked it 4 times! or a console that was refusing to mod!

Then on the 5th time checking the disc load and nearly banging my head on my desk I accidentally hit reset when going to turn off the power....noise of drive trying to load.
Loaded a disc and off she went, no problems at all!?!

Loaded and ejected numerous times to check and make sure everything recognised each time.
Turned off the console. Restarted it, and tried to load the disc again as soon as it powered up. Back to original problem!

Now, this I though was specific to this unit but it isn't. It does the same on both consoles. It appears it's the Wasabi chip running it's reset procedure as if you wait for a few seconds it appears to load fine.

One guy who has one of them has told me it sometimes takes 5 seconds and longest was 4 minutes to reset so it leaves me wondering if there's a firmware problem or even an install problem on these units.

Email going soon to Wasabi team but thought I'd check if anyone else has had a problem first.

[wiizi2]

installed 2 today coulnt get either to work

[Silver Surfer]

installed 2 today coulnt get either to work

Strange. Only problem I had getting any to work was the first one cos I used my monitor for the install diagram and the CLK wire was off the bottom and I missed it initially.

Connected that and worked fine.
Also need to point out these wasabi's are working FLAWLESSY once the initial disc recognition has been done, that is you can play and ejext/reload to your heart's content...just the initial reset issue

[DirteeBird]

once the initial disc recognition has been done, that is you can play and ejext/reload to your heart's content...just the initial reset issue

Is this the "5 try" method that the Wasabi site suggests to test with after the install?

[Silver Surfer]

Is this the "5 try" method that the Wasabi site suggests to test with after the install?

No. Both installs worked fine for the five resets.

This is something installers may not have even come across as the first unit loaded fine when reassembled whereas the second acted like the drive was dead and not accepting the disc.
After having the problem with the second drive I rechecked the first to find it was the same.

For those who have a unit with a Wasabi who wish to test:
With the Wii on standby try to insert a disc.
If you have an older wii with PIC based mod the wii will auto-power on and take in the disc.
Wasabi needs to reset the chip before accepting the disc so nothing happens.
Try it at the "press A to continue" prompt and the same thing, it won't take the disc.

BUT now you've tried hit the A button on the controller and then try to load the disc. IT shoudl still refuse to load.

There are now 3 possible ways to get a load. Unplug and repower up the wii, press reset or press eject. One or all may then result in the drive loading noise and a couple of seconds later it's fine.

Simple problem but it's doing my head in

[didineedthis]

if its a d2c you are installing the wasabi in and you are getting the error were it wont accept discs , you need to solder a 47uF capacitor between point K and GND .http://i27.tinypic.com/2166og.jpg

this will sort your problem.

didineedthis

[Silver Surfer]

if its a d2c you are installing the wasabi in and you are getting the error were it wont accept discs , you need to solder a 47uF capacitor between point K and GND .http://i27.tinypic.com/2166og.jpg

this will sort your problem.

didineedthis

This is a D2C and interesting point. The consoles WILL load but only after you hear the drive reset noise up until then they will act as if there is a disc in the drive or the drive has no power.

Does wiring in this cap still cure that problem? And is there anywhere else you read about this I can read up on or did you discover this one youself?
Also, any chance you can post the other specs of the Caps you use? (voltage, op temp etc)

Thanks btw :-)

[dciso]

Yes there are problems with the Wasabi and D2C-1A drives like said before you need a 47uf Cap from K to ground. The nice thing is the cap is not that expensive and can be found at your local eletronic stores. If you are in US Radio Shack has them for $1.19 (PART # 272-1027)

[Silver Surfer]

Yes there are problems with the Wasabi and D2C-1A drives like said before you need a 47uf Cap from K to ground. The nice thing is the cap is not that expensive and can be found at your local eletronic stores. If you are in US Radio Shack has them for $1.19 (PART # 272-1027)

Thanks guys :)
So did the description of the problem I posted match the issues you mention?
Also, is this only affecting D2C-1A or other revisions of the D2C?

In other words...if this cap is soldered into place on every install would it cause any problems on a non D2C-1A?
(D2C models only of course! I'm sticking with YAOSM for all D2B and earlier boards!)

[dciso]

Thanks guys :)
So did the description of the problem I posted match the issues you mention?
Also, is this only affecting D2C-1A or other revisions of the D2C?

In other words...if this cap is soldered into place on every install would it cause any problems on a non D2C-1A?
(D2C models only of course! I'm sticking with YAOSM for all D2B and earlier boards!)

So far I do think it is only in the D2C-1A I did install it on 1 D2C and it worked no problems without the cap. I am not sure if adding it would cause issues but it is really easy to tell if you need it before doing the mod. Out of my past 10 Install 9 have needed the cap all D2C-1A and one did not it was the older D2C.

[Silver Surfer]

So far I do think it is only in the D2C-1A I did install it on 1 D2C and it worked no problems without the cap. I am not sure if adding it would cause issues but it is really easy to tell if you need it before doing the mod. Out of my past 10 Install 9 have needed the cap all D2C-1A and one did not it was the older D2C.

I'm gonna make meself look like a n00b here, but how do you tell before you install the mod?

Or do you mean adding the cap as you just need to try a load from standby?

[Silver Surfer]

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[Funkwheat]

I'm interested in seeing some more input from different folks on their experiences with this. I've done many d2pro's with no issues, but am planning on doing my first Wasabis this week, so I'm interested in this issue...


So....bump.

[didineedthis]

I'm gonna make meself look like a n00b here, but how do you tell before you install the mod?

Or do you mean adding the cap as you just need to try a load from standby?

if you are not sure install your wasabi but test it on your bench, if it doesnt accept discs or your drive seems dead wire in the capacitor ,it will take 1 min to do .
problem solved

didineedthis

[Silver Surfer]

if you are not sure install your wasabi but test it on your bench, if it doesnt accept discs or your drive seems dead wire in the capacitor ,it will take 1 min to do .
problem solved

didineedthis

Now this is where my confusion sets in.
On BOTH units I've modded with Wasabi so far they both accept discs fine.
It's only under certain circumstances that they don't and then will reset after a short while and load ok.
I'm going to get one of the consoles back and try the capacitor. At the end of the day it's less than a quid and I've had the unit opened enough times already.

Thanks for the replies so far guys, Wasabi support haven't replied to my email from 3 days ago yet so I'm becoming very unimpressed with them.

[didineedthis]

Now this is where my confusion sets in.
On BOTH units I've modded with Wasabi so far they both accept discs fine.
It's only under certain circumstances that they don't and then will reset after a short while and load ok.
I'm going to get one of the consoles back and try the capacitor. At the end of the day it's less than a quid and I've had the unit opened enough times already.

Thanks for the replies so far guys, Wasabi support haven't replied to my email from 3 days ago yet so I'm becoming very unimpressed with them.

The "temporary" or "workaround" solution is now made official:on the wasabi website .
Q: I've already checked the installation, shortened the power wires or changed the wires if needed, but the LED still stays red, what's the problem ?
A: We are aware of an incompatibility problem with a small percentage of drives. The LED stays red even if the install is good, and using another chip doesn't solve the problem. The current work-around to solve the problem is to connect a 47uF capacitor between GND and K point. Our technical team is working on another solution. We apologize for the inconvenience, we'll post more info when available. Thanks to jmlacroix and Frenik for the current fix.

didineedthis

[Steve-O 2006]

Will any 47uf capacitor do or does it have to be a certain type?? Noticed some have 100V, 450V, 35V etc after them

Thanks

[didineedthis]

Will any 47uf capacitor do or does it have to be a certain type?? Noticed some have 100V, 450V, 35V etc after them

Thanks

as long as its over 3.3v your fine , i have used 25v and 100v they do the same job,
you don't have to use a capacitor any more though , if you use a long clk wire about 12 inches long and wire it around the outside edge of the board ,this works too.

didineedthis

[Steve-O 2006]

as long as its over 3.3v your fine , i have used 25v and 100v they do the same job,
you don't have to use a capacitor any more though , if you use a long clk wire about 12 inches long and wire it around the outside edge of the board ,this works too.

didineedthis

Thanks, will note this down for when I do a D2C install. Capacitor sounds neater and at £0.16 seems best but if they are out of stock I will do that ;)

[didineedthis]

Thanks, will note this down for when I do a D2C install. Capacitor sounds neater and at £0.16 seems best but if they are out of stock I will do that ;)

its just another way of getting around the issue if you don't have a capacitor 2 hand.

didineedthis

[ccmilan]

Hi, I fitted my 2nd Wasabi Modchip to a wii yesterday and was having the problem that most of the time the discs aren't recognised and can't be ejected. So when I seen this work around I tried it. Still doesn't seem to work, when I first did the work around the disc would be recognised 9 times out of 10, but 1 hr later when I switched it on it worked at first but when I put another disc in it no longer recognises any discs. Had to use an Electrolitic Cap as no other too hand, so wondering if this is my problem, is contact K negative to Gnd or positive?

Thanks in Advance.

[didineedthis]

Hi, I fitted my 2nd Wasabi Modchip to a wii yesterday and was having the problem that most of the time the discs aren't recognised and can't be ejected. So when I seen this work around I tried it. Still doesn't seem to work, when I first did the work around the disc would be recognised 9 times out of 10, but 1 hr later when I switched it on it worked at first but when I put another disc in it no longer recognises any discs. Had to use an Electrolitic Cap as no other too hand, so wondering if this is my problem, is contact K negative to Gnd or positive?

Thanks in Advance.

you want to connect the neg of the cap to the gnd and k to the possitive on the cap

didineedthis

[ccmilan]

Thanks didineedthis

That's how I have wired it and still no luck. Seems if I leave the Wii in standby for 30 seconds and then Insert an original disc (Wii Sports) it then boots fine. Still to try this with a backup disc to see if that is recognised in the same way.

Seems to me there is still a flaw in the Wasabi firmware. Might try the 12inch CLK wire option tomorrow.

Noticed others mentioning the Cap is only required in newer D2C-1A, however I've done 2 installs, the newer Wii works great with Wasabi, but it's the older D2C that is giving me problems??. (Wii serial number on the problem one is one of the 1st to have D2C chipset).

[didineedthis]

Thanks didineedthis

That's how I have wired it and still no luck. Seems if I leave the Wii in standby for 30 seconds and then Insert an original disc (Wii Sports) it then boots fine. Still to try this with a backup disc to see if that is recognised in the same way.

Seems to me there is still a flaw in the Wasabi firmware. Might try the 12inch CLK wire option tomorrow.

Noticed others mentioning the Cap is only required in newer D2C-1A, however I've done 2 installs, the newer Wii works great with Wasabi, but it's the older D2C that is giving me problems??. (Wii serial number on the problem one is one of the 1st to have D2C chipset).

also check your installation with a multimeter ,and make sure the clk wire is not shorting on 1 of those little fuses between the two chips.

didineedthis

[ccmilan]

Got it to work finally, somehow the CLK wire had broken from the pad when I had opened it up to fit the Cap.

Big Thanks to didineedthis for the quick replies.