MS: Xbox doesn't need Blu-ray, streaming is the future

Why they will simply stream those 30-40gb games to the 20gb hard drive of course!

Oh wait...

If it were actually streaming, you wouldn't need a 20GB hard drive. It would be how a game streams from the DVD drive w/o the hard drive.

One again here goes that 1080p stuff..... How many good games run full game at 1080p? How many of those 1080p games get over 20 fps?

Blu-ray is for movies... or in ff13 case cut scenes. But obviously the ps3 nor xbox 360 can run native 1080p games with out issues or they would have by now.

Blu-ray is nothing more than a dvd player and just like the xbox 360 didnt need hd-dvd, it doesn't need blu-ray to jack the price of the console up.

Also the amount of people running 1080i or lower res tv`s is alot higher than those running 1080p tv`s.

So if the xbox 360 needs a blu-ray drive, why not just bundle a 1080p lcd tv as well. Because we all know to enjoy blu-ray to its fullest you need the TV.

Streaming is just fine without the over priced dvd player.

I run in 720p because i think it puts less stress on my xbox, i could be wrong though. In all honesty i cant really tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, and my TV will do 1080p, maybe my eyes arent good enough to tell the diff or im just happy with 720p quality.

The UK government wants a minimum of 2mbps for everyone, I personally have a 4mbps connection.

HD streaming is virtually impossible for me, so I wonder how much of the UK will cope?

MS also needs to think about the games which are now suffering due to a lack of space.

Even if they dont do it this gen (fair enough), they must do it next gen or allow for PC style HDD installs where the data is heavily compressed and installed to a HDD if they want to really compete.

Originally Posted by n0rthstar

I run in 720p because i think it puts less stress on my xbox, i could be wrong though. In all honesty i cant really tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, and my TV will do 1080p, maybe my eyes arent good enough to tell the diff or im just happy with 720p quality.

You won't notice much unless the game has the textures to match, you may notice with arcade games. Don't worry about stressing your 360 much though it has a chip dedicated to upscaling.

@tech it depends on your ISP while i am limited to by my overhead lines (and they are a little bit of a pain) i get 12-14mbit depending on my profile or a full 24mbit if/when they put the lines underground.. thats £21 a month and its completely unlimited.. really if you have BT lines and you're paying £15 for 5gb a month then.. that's that persons fault.

MS apparently as recently as 2008 didn't think streaming was the future when it was backing HD-DVD. How quickly things change.

How was microsoft backing it? It was a dvd player addon. It was never bundled with the xbox 360. Toshiba backed hd-dvd. You didnt see microsoft step in and offer WB 501 million to release movies only for hd-dvd.

Microsoft didnt make the drive or the movies and probably didnt care either way. they probably got a cut for allowing it to work with xbox 360.

Originally Posted by ThreeDog

@tech it depends on your ISP while i am limited to by my overhead lines (and they are a little bit of a pain) i get 12-14mbit depending on my profile or a full 24mbit if/when they put the lines underground.. thats £21 a month and its completely unlimited.. really if you have BT lines and you're paying £15 for 5gb a month then.. that's that persons fault.

My problem is the actual BT line, my ISP supports up to 8mb/s but I only get 4 (It's unlimited download though) and I only pay £6.49/month (for 12 months then £13/month), even with 16mb/s sky I only got 4mbps. It's an infrastructure problem thanks to my distance from the exchange.

I also can't get cable either.

Originally Posted by danight

How was microsoft backing it? It was a dvd player addon. It was never bundled with the xbox 360. Toshiba backed hd-dvd. You didnt see microsoft step in and offer WB 501 million to release movies only for hd-dvd.

Microsoft didnt make the drive or the movies and probably didnt care either way. they probably got a cut for allowing it to work with xbox 360.

The only reason MS supported HD-DVD was because BR was Sony and HD-DVD use MS's software while BR uses Java.

Microsoft had a hand in the software, remember HDi? one of the reasons we had a high definition format war in the first place was BD-J/BDMV vs HDi, Microsoft and co wanted one format Sony and co wanted another.
Remember Microsoft did go that far to back HD-DVD by not including Blu-Ray support in Windows Vista opting to add it in once HD-DVD had failed. Microsoft probably had a cut in every disc

Originally Posted by tech3475

My problem is the actual BT line, my ISP supports up to 8mb/s but I only get 4 (It's unlimited download though) and I only pay £6.49/month (for 12 months then £13/month), even with 16mb/s sky I only got 4mbps. It's an infrastructure problem thanks to my distance from the exchange.

I also can't get cable either.

That can't be helped then really, Maybe you'll have better luck when FO is rolled out, im not sure how successful that will be though since BT is being cheap and only doing fibre to the exchange copper to the house in most existing areas. Still im happy with my connection i don't even get throttled.

MS your wrong, if WE your customers want Blu-ray then we should get Blu-ray.
Stop thinking you know more about what we need/want then we do.

Originally Posted by ThreeDog

"snip" since BT is being cheap and only doing fibre to the exchange copper to the house in most existing areas. Still im happy with my connection i don't even get throttled.

Just wanted to comment on this bit. BT are rolling out FTTC, fibre to the cabinet, in most areas whilst trials of fibre to the home are being conducted in South Wales and a smaller test in London. Most of the hard work has been completed, they did have a target date of '12 but that's being put back to '13, possibly '14 due to global services royally screwing up (thus I and 20000+ others were made redundant). Expected consumer speeds of a minimum of 1GB/s. This is why I think DD is going to take off substantially and soon, in the UK at least, as the speed and bandwidth issues are in the midst of being sorted.

Myself, I'm fine with a 10MB line and unlimited bandwidth on VM, can DL a 4-8GB HD movie in about an hour and it's fine for streaming, SD content at 350-740MB is practically instant. VM never throttle me since I've phoned to complain so many times. Anywho, we'll all be in The Cloud soon enough.

I for one don't wanna stream, I wanna own the actual discs!

yea we want to stream in 3 dvd LMAO HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH


WHAT A BUNCH OF BS

why do you guys mention streaming games? m$ doesnt mention games at all. the article only mentions devs asking for space, then goes on to m$ saying they dont need bluray because they stream 1080p movies.

read between the lines, m$ wont use bluray.. not even for a movie player. no ones going to buy a $150 addon bluray player to use on their 360 when you can get standalone bluray players for the same price.

Originally Posted by iLLNESS

why do you guys mention streaming games? m$ doesnt mention games at all. the article only mentions devs asking for space, then goes on to m$ saying they dont need bluray because they stream 1080p movies.

read between the lines, m$ wont use bluray.. not even for a movie player. no ones going to buy a $150 addon bluray player to use on their 360 when you can get standalone bluray players for the same price.

"They tried to diverge away from this by saying that the Xbox 360 already took care of the future when it started offering full HD movies via streaming. But what about games MS? The games!"

You read the article but not the post linking to the article?

Even with a 3.4 Meg Broadband, which should be at 8 Meg, i tried streaming a HD movie, and guess what, stutter, stutter, stutter, it loaded a bit, played a bit of movie, then went back to re-buffering, stutter, stutter, stutter.

So from me no way do i want streaming as my line can NOT cope with the information transmitted to it.

^Unlucky KP. 4-5MB should be fine for 720p. If you're with BT/have a BT line see if you can get one of their 'i-Plate's. They can increase speeds by upwards of 3MB, from personal experiences. I'm sure you already know other issues, distance from exchange, interference, traffic etc

Originally Posted by trelfazz

MS your wrong, if WE your customers want Blu-ray then we should get Blu-ray.
Stop thinking you know more about what we need/want then we do.

What about wii owners... Should Nintendo offer it as well? Does Nintendo know what we want or need and give it to us?
Like illness said....If anyone wants a blu-ray player go buy one. it doesnt have to have a usb wire connected to the xbox 360 to justify buying it. You can sit the xbox 360 on top of it if you want.

Another bad move. All this, only for not admit Blu-Ray.