Nintendo: We strongly reject accusations of 'PR-ing'

[Zeus]

Nintendo has issued a response to us regarding a recent news article which suggested they are submitting press releases regarding the Wii's demand as two identical articles appeared on the matter in two UK leading rival newspaper sites with a different title. They state that they strongly reject and resent the accusation that they are PR-ing stock shortages and no press releases have been distributed.

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"We are strongly reject and resent the accusation that we are "PR-ing"
stock shortages and no press releases are being distributed. We are
doing all we can to ensure that the unprecedented demand for Wii can be
met as far as possible in the run up to Christmas. This is being done
through regular and multiple deliveries of Wii stock to the UK, globally
we are working at maximum capacity, producing 1.8 million units of Wii
hardware a month to try and meet this demand as far as possible."


Via e-mail.

[Aeond]

yeah....and my grandpa is santa clause:rolleyes:

[faceless]

:confused::confused::confused:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

:D:D:D

;););)

[Topptiler]

Why is it so hard to make it. Its old hardware theyve been making it for nearly 10 years.

Did they have any trouble manufacturing game cubes? whats the problem so many years later?

It will back fire anyawy, who will want this junk next year through to christmas, the ps3 will have the games.

[pwntendo]

Via email my arse. Fake fake fake fake fake.

[mercurius]

as i said in the other news thread about this BS news...
It is totally normal that news articles in different newspapers are sometimes the same. There is something called "press/news agency" in the background of nearly every newspaper.

EVER heard of AP or Reuters???

Crap maxconsole news quality level sucks but its getting that LOW that you have to dig a hole to measure it :P

[CZroe]

I can't believe MaxConsole got a rise out of Nintendo and then had the compulsion to draw even more attention to MaxConsole's own idiocy by posting about it. As if you are proud that your idiotic post got Nintendo's attention!

From the other thread:

Most. Retarded. Newspost. EVAR.

Ever hear of the Associated Press? Reuters? Syndication? I guess not. Considering the unprofessionalism and lack of journalistic integrity around here, of course you wouldn't recognize standard journalistic practices and names. "OMG! Garfield is the exact same in two newspapers today! TOTALY BUSTED! 'Jim Davis is caught red-handed feeding press-releases to the funny papers!'"

How often do you find a news headline that conflicts with the story in a real newspaper? Nearly NEVER. How often do you see this on MaxConsole? Almost daily.

"Nintendo caught red handed feeding media Wii demand stories?" - Headline
"...could that someone be Nintendo?" - Content

I guess they weren't caught red-handed then, ya think?! Way to drum up sensationalism there MaxieC. At least real news outlets don't contradict themselves when they spin news to sensationalize. Even the new headline found in the thread is totally stupid:
"Evidence to suggest Wii demand is being played by Nintendo"
NO! This is evidence to suggest that the story came from a newswire (note: "By ONLINE REPORTER")

[DKing]

Why is it so hard to make it. Its old hardware theyve been making it for nearly 10 years.

Did they have any trouble manufacturing game cubes? whats the problem so many years later?

It will back fire anyawy, who will want this junk next year through to christmas, the ps3 will have the games.

Were they manufacturing 1.8 million Gamecubes a month? I'm going to guess the answer to that is "No".

And I doubt it's "hard to make" it's simply the volume. Do you think the components for 1.8 million consoles a month grow on trees? If the demand for the PS3 was just as high do you honestly think Sony wouldn't be having problems producing consoles as well? Use some friggin logic.

[Topptiler]

UK papers dont copy eachothers stories word for word. Ive never seen that ever.

The only time they have the same stories is for a press release. Which happens sometimes because thesun etc.. dont exactly specialise in gaming. So they jsut paste a press release.

Whatever Dking.

If you use your logic to see that Nintendo are using wii shortages as a marketing tool. reggie was sayign for months there wouldnt be enough stock. They never stop saying it. anyways you cant seem to say a thing about nintnedo on a foum without a 1001 fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram.

[d_winchy]

Like I said, the news was probably bought from Reuters or another.
It is very common.

[grapeape]

The only thing I know is the "shortage" still exists, but after Nintendo's big hoopla about increasing production the estimated amounts sold each month is still the same...makes you wonder....

[DKing]

Whatever Dking.

If you use your logic to see that Nintendo are using wii shortages as a marketing tool. reggie was sayign for months there wouldnt be enough stock. They never stop saying it. anyways you cant seem to say a thing about nintnedo on a foum without a 1001 fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram.

How is that using my logic? That makes no sense. You don't actually address my point about what it takes to make nearly 2 million consoles a month.

I'm anything but a fanboy. But I guess through those rose colored glasses you don't see the PS3 is in last place. Enjoy living in your fantasy fanboy land though.

Oh snap, see what I did there?

[jergens]

Completely common, no news here... so many news outlets use each others stories for content.

[yamster32]

I think its more a case of greedy retailers and Nintendo UK being fuckin useless!
For example, No other country in Europe are having these Stock shortages, and the Wii consoles are exactly the same except the power lead.
Amazon.de had plenty available for the proper price, yet are now no longer able to ship to the UK [after quite a few people in uk bought one from there], And Amazon UK only have machines available for around £300.

The same with those Robbing Bastards GAME, they cant seem to get any standard Wii packs for £179, yet You CAN buy one from them in a Bundle for around £325! As none of these bundles are 'official' nintendo bundles, it means they MUST have a nice supply of Wii's that they are wrapping in selophane withe 3 or 4 games.

As for Ebay, You cant really blame people selling their Wii's on there for extortionate prices, its just human nature.

As for Nintendo, they need to get their fucking act together, stop telling lies about production problems and get a Big supply of consoles into the shops!
If the rumors of an official Galaxy bundle are true they should get them into UK shops now! and in the mean time they can stop sending consoles to Europe where they are in plentiful supply, open the boxes up replace the power cables with UK ones and ship em over Here to the UK!

Im afraid My Daughter will have to be disappointed on Christmas morning as I refuse to pay around 300 quid for a console that usually costs £179.

Best wait till Jan/Feb, by then there will be loads available in the stores and second hand bargains, as Kids will not want em anymore once the fad wears off.

[felixm477]

Why is it so hard to make it. Its old hardware theyve been making it for nearly 10 years.

Did they have any trouble manufacturing game cubes? whats the problem so many years later?

It will back fire anyawy, who will want this junk next year through to christmas, the ps3 will have the games.

well you got to keep in mind nintendo hasnt seen a large scale sale in decades so they arent used to pumping out this much demand. the gamecube and N64 didnt sell nearly as much.

[Kenban]

I pointed it out in the other post but the original article was written by Sean Poulter of the Daily Mail. It took me like 5 minutes with Google to find the original piece.

[CZroe]

I think its more a case of greedy retailers and Nintendo UK being fuckin useless!
For example, No other country in Europe are having these Stock shortages, and the Wii consoles are exactly the same except the power lead.
Amazon.de had plenty available for the proper price, yet are now no longer able to ship to the UK [after quite a few people in uk bought one from there], And Amazon UK only have machines available for around £300.

The same with those Robbing Bastards GAME, they cant seem to get any standard Wii packs for £179, yet You CAN buy one from them in a Bundle for around £325! As none of these bundles are 'official' nintendo bundles, it means they MUST have a nice supply of Wii's that they are wrapping in selophane withe 3 or 4 games.

As for Ebay, You cant really blame people selling their Wii's on there for extortionate prices, its just human nature.

As for Nintendo, they need to get their fucking act together, stop telling lies about production problems and get a Big supply of consoles into the shops!
If the rumors of an official Galaxy bundle are true they should get them into UK shops now! and in the mean time they can stop sending consoles to Europe where they are in plentiful supply, open the boxes up replace the power cables with UK ones and ship em over Here to the UK!

Im afraid My Daughter will have to be disappointed on Christmas morning as I refuse to pay around 300 quid for a console that usually costs £179.

Best wait till Jan/Feb, by then there will be loads available in the stores and second hand bargains, as Kids will not want em anymore once the fad wears off.

That's what everyone said last year (bolded). Oh, and there are no "lies" about production. Nintendo has been totally transparant and reporting every step of their attempts to boost output from their scuttled attempt to start a new factory to their more efficient use of their current factory to their outlook and reasoning and predictions. THAT'S why we know that the shortages will continue through the holiday... we know because Nintendo has been open and honest, not because it's a planned shortage that was planned/announce months ago.

As for redirecting stock from Europe, that game really screwed them over with the DS lite last holiday. Due to the DS' popularity explosion in Japan (Brain games!), Nintendo could not keep them in stock and insane lines were still forming for every shipment. This led to a redirection of stock intended for the US just before the holidays. As a result, the US quickly sold out and mostly remained sold out until January/February '07 while Japanese retailers finally met demand and had unsold units. I'm sure that they are cutting deliveries to the areas in Europe that still have plenty because obviously they don't deliver anything that isn't ordered, so what's in the channel is likely what deprived the UK of Wiis months ago and it is not a continuing effect.

[RZRX]

Press Release or Not, the only reason the Wii is understocked is because Nintendo place Europe at the very back of the queue, the always have and show no signs of changing.

I loved the NES and SNES but the Wii is as much a waste of time as my under-used GC.

[CZroe]

well you got to keep in mind nintendo hasnt seen a large scale sale in decades so they arent used to pumping out this much demand. the gamecube and N64 didnt sell nearly as much.

GBA SP, Nintendo DS, DS lite. The DS lite is breaking every sales record. Clearly, Nintendo had no trouble ramping up production of those.

[CZroe]

UK papers dont copy eachothers stories word for word. Ive never seen that ever.
MaxConsole is the only one implying that they did. MaxConsole is wrong.


The only time they have the same stories is for a press release. Which happens sometimes because thesun etc.. dont exactly specialise in gaming. So they jsut paste a press release.
You are wrong. They have the same stories when they came from the same newswire source.


If you use your logic to see that Nintendo are using wii shortages as a marketing tool. reggie was sayign for months there wouldnt be enough stock. They never stop saying it. anyways you cant seem to say a thing about nintnedo on a foum without a 1001 fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram.

He was saying it because they predicted it, not because they engineered it. Basically, they saw that demand would not be met BEFORE the holiday so excess manufacturing could not be warehoused for the HUGE holiday demand spike. Nintendo has been EXTREMELY open about the whole supply/manufacturing end. You just haven't been listening.

[SLAYERPSP]

i think nintendo does this stuff. look at what they do with there games same thing. mario kart on the gc was way hard to get when it droped down to 29.99 a few years ago u couldnt find it anywere they just put out a few copies here and there making u want it more knowing u cant find it same with the wii u cant tell me they cant pump out more of this outdated hardware any faster then they are. if the wii was on store shelves like the ps3 and 360 the demand for it would be much lower the wii is made for old people my 55 year old mother in law plays with the fu**ing thing give me a break. mine has a pound of dust on it just not that good for core gamers its for the old. oh well make friends with people at game stores we do get them in all the time. hell i have a used one waiting for me right now for 175.00 usa dollars it will be modded and sold for 400.00 arent i a asshole ha ha

[Ichinisan]

i think nintendo does this stuff. look at what they do with there games same thing. mario kart on the gc was way hard to get when it droped down to 29.99 a few years ago u couldnt find it anywere they just put out a few copies here and there making u want it more knowing u cant find it same with the wii u cant tell me they cant pump out more of this outdated hardware any faster then they are. if the wii was on store shelves like the ps3 and 360 the demand for it would be much lower the wii is made for old people my 55 year old mother in law plays with the fu**ing thing give me a break. mine has a pound of dust on it just not that good for core gamers its for the old. oh well make friends with people at game stores we do get them in all the time. hell i have a used one waiting for me right now for 175.00 usa dollars it will be modded and sold for 400.00 arent i a asshole ha ha

You really need to learn some grammar and common sense...or shut up.

[Shinsil]

This is another fine example of how Maxconsole sucks. Always crap news that puts Nintendo in a bad perspective. Most Nintendo homebrew and Emulation doesn’t even get post here. It’s a modding site.

[Vaio Ad]

The only way this shortage may sell a few moe sonsoles are the ones that people buy to sell, those consoles wouldn´t have been sold if the shortage wasn´t there. They are very few if you count worldwide and if you at the same time count the ammount of costumers that would have bought one but didn´t find one, was convinced to buy another console or something else or just didn´t buy any console because they were tired of looking for a Wii then you will soon understand (with a little common sense) that for every day this shortage continues Nintendo are loosing more money then they actually create with this shortage.

Hughely dissapointing by Maxconcsole to actally make a thing like this up :mad: !

[Topptiler]

Everyones been saying it anyway

Look at this article article called Nintendo planning to milk its Wii shortage through the holidays.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/12/nintendo-planning-to-milk-its-wii-shortage-through-the-holidays/

Nintendo quote July:

"There is no guarantee that we are not going to have 'out-of-stocks' this holiday season,"
"If you see one, buy it. Don't assume that you can come back later and find one."


Then in october reggie says

"What I can tell you is that typically, our inventory is lasting a day... I don't think we will know when supply crosses with demand until after the holiday season," he said.

SO in july Nintendo say they wont meet demand for 2007 holidays. Then in October reggie says they wont know if supply will cross demand untill after christmas.

Its aload of **** all of it. this says it perfectly

It's not like Nintendo doesn't have the time, cash or know-how to ramp up production. Sure, we don't know all the ins and outs of supply chain management, but it sounds more like Nintendo is enjoying its "can't keep 'em on the shelves" status a bit too much to seriously make an attempt at meeting demand.

[pwntendo]

Now even major gaming news sites like Kotaku are picking up this story and laughing at Max Console.


So can we believe Nintendo? Probably. Because the story is more likely just shared between these two (or more) publications, similarly to the way AP news functions, showing up in national and local papers alike.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/finger-pointing-fun/nintendo-denies-pr+induced-wii-shortage-stories-326418.php

[Kenban]

I actually finally bothered to check who owns and operates these sites... Its all owned by Daily Mail and General Trust. So the real complaint here should be that several sites all owned by the same company ran the same story. Which is not really news.

[RiPPn]

Why do people act as though Nintendo is the saint of the console manufacturers, are you all high? Why not read a little history on Nintendo and look at how their practices almost cost them their company including bullying retailers and 3rd party game companies, Nintendo is dirtier than Microsoft's OS division, and there is no way in hell they are above this type of fraudulent activity. I think they saw how low supply created major demand for Sony and the PS2 and they perfected it, they have managed to keep this BS going for over a year now, which has kept brain dead people wanting one and it's allowed Nintendo to keep the same price point. One of my favorite quotes was "the console everyone wants but nobody plays" and you can try and convince me how fun all the games are, but the fact that their attach rate is considerably lower than Microsoft and Sony is pretty telling, not to mention stores like Toys R Us and Circuit City have had ran buy 2 get 1 free on Wii games just to try and move stock and still they have the lowest attach rate, sketchy.. very sketchy. I can't wait until this all blows up in Nintendo's face.

[yamster32]

Why do people act as though Nintendo is the saint of the console manufacturers, are you all high? Why not read a little history on Nintendo and look at how their practices almost cost them their company including bullying retailers and 3rd party game companies, Nintendo is dirtier than Microsoft's OS division, and there is no way in hell they are above this type of fraudulent activity. I think they saw how low supply created major demand for Sony and the PS2 and they perfected it, they have managed to keep this BS going for over a year now, which has kept brain dead people wanting one and it's allowed Nintendo to keep the same price point. One of my favorite quotes was "the console everyone wants but nobody plays" and you can try and convince me how fun all the games are, but the fact that their attach rate is considerably lower than Microsoft and Sony is pretty telling, not to mention stores like Toys R Us and Circuit City have had ran buy 2 get 1 free on Wii games just to try and move stock and still they have the lowest attach rate, sketchy.. very sketchy. I can't wait until this all blows up in Nintendo's face.

Agreed! Nintendo have ALWAYS been Dodgy! They always treated the UK like Crap, Also agree that wii has very few games worth playing, I would only like to play Galaxy, And the trouble is that due to the remote controller everybody is making Party style games which is all well and good, but as a Proper gamer of 25+ years I like to play PROPER games, not just wiggle a remote around.
The Wii will eventually kill itself, due to hardly any different games such as FPS's, Racers, Fighters etc, and Also its just not powerful enough to last against the 360 & PS3, at the end of the day the Wii is just a Toy for kids and Grandparents, My kid wants one but it would soon be collecting dust in her room once the initial fad wore off

[lobo32332]

I feel sorry for your kids....You write, and generally express yourself like a spastic 15 year old. I'd suggest laying off the games and maybe picking up a book or perhaps catch some theater. I can almost visualize you huffing and gasping out your post in one hurried breath in real life. 'course, it doesn't help that you're re-hashing the same 13-19 year old "hardcore" gamer argument against the Wii. Hope you have fun with your "proper" GAMES. Just keep pretending the Wii doesn't exist, and isn't repeating the same success as the DS.

[Ichinisan]

One of my favorite quotes was "the console everyone wants but nobody plays" and you can try and convince me how fun all the games are, but the fact that their attach rate is considerably lower than Microsoft and Sony is pretty telling, not to mention stores like Toys R Us and Circuit City have had ran buy 2 get 1 free on Wii games just to try and move stock and still they have the lowest attach rate, sketchy.. very sketchy. I can't wait until this all blows up in Nintendo's face.

You've got to be kidding me. The Toys-r-us promo has been reoccurring several times per year for EVERY platform...sheesh!

[yamster32]

I feel sorry for your kids....You write, and generally express yourself like a spastic 15 year old. I'd suggest laying off the games and maybe picking up a book or perhaps catch some theater. I can almost visualize you huffing and gasping out your post in one hurried breath in real life. 'course, it doesn't help that you're re-hashing the same 13-19 year old "hardcore" gamer argument against the Wii. Hope you have fun with your "proper" GAMES. Just keep pretending the Wii doesn't exist, and isn't repeating the same success as the DS.

You call me a Spastic! You Fucking Wanker, I have a Disabled Brother! Maybe You Should read some books mr fucking intellectual!
Maybe then You would see that saying I express myself as a spastic 15 year old, is completely fucking offensive, and the kind of thing a Fucking Moron kid would write!

So **** Off, Grow Up, & get a Life you Obnoxious little twat:mad:

[CZroe]

Why do people act as though Nintendo is the saint of the console manufacturers, are you all high? Why not read a little history on Nintendo and look at how their practices almost cost them their company including bullying retailers and 3rd party game companies, Nintendo is dirtier than Microsoft's OS division, and there is no way in hell they are above this type of fraudulent activity. I think they saw how low supply created major demand for Sony and the PS2 and they perfected it, they have managed to keep this BS going for over a year now, which has kept brain dead people wanting one and it's allowed Nintendo to keep the same price point. One of my favorite quotes was "the console everyone wants but nobody plays" and you can try and convince me how fun all the games are, but the fact that their attach rate is considerably lower than Microsoft and Sony is pretty telling, not to mention stores like Toys R Us and Circuit City have had ran buy 2 get 1 free on Wii games just to try and move stock and still they have the lowest attach rate, sketchy.. very sketchy. I can't wait until this all blows up in Nintendo's face.
Almost cost them their company?! Their monopolistic practices made them richer than their wildest dreams and it brought stability to the previously failed industry. All they have "lost" since then was their stranglehold on the market. Nintendo has had one unprofitable quarter in their entire history of being in the video game business while the other players have been bleeding out cash left and right.

Also, only a retard would consider the attach rate when they know damn well that it includes a game AND doesn't require a sale to maintain profitability. Install base = potential sales regardless of the attach rate because those buyers will eventually want more games. The buy 2 get 1 free TRU deals have been reoccurring since before the Wii existed. It would alternate between console and handheld games before, not it alternates by platform. When the Wii and DS offers come back, it makes a huge stir BECAUSE the Wii is so big and people want games. That fact that you only know of the Wii promo is a testament to how wrong you are about people wanting games for their Wii!

My PS3 is sitting here with only 1 game. I've gone since launch with no games, only renting and playing the occasional demo. You know why? Nothing is worth the price on PS3 except the BD movies. The only reason I have that one game is because I went out and got a second PS3 that included Motorstorm for $400 after coupon when I decided that I'd be moving away from my brother next year and we'd both need a PS3.

My Wii collection includes Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Mario Party 8, Super Paper Mario, Wii Play, Wii Sports, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Excite Truck, Battalion Wars 2, Resident Evil 4, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Mario Strikers Charged (Football / Soccer), WarioWare: Smooth Moves, and Zack and Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure. I didn't pay over $40 for any of them (most were $15-30).

The console that nobody plays? I think not. My friends come here to play the Wii almost every single day. "Gamer-games" like Guitar Hero III, Metroid Prime 3, and Mario Galaxy are what keep them coming back. Until I get Rock Band or Eye of Judgement for cheap, none care about the PS3. Look at *reality* before choosing a "clever" quote to support your skewed perception.

[Bordello]

WTF kind of source is "via email"? Anyone having trouble believing that Nintendo would issue official news releases via email to a crappy site like Maxconsole?

Zeus, you need to Google up some websites that explain how to do basic news reporting. Otherwise, refrain from posting at all.

[CZroe]

You call me a Spastic! You Fucking Wanker, I have a Disabled Brother! Maybe You Should read some books mr fucking intellectual!
Maybe then You would see that saying I express myself as a spastic 15 year old, is completely fucking offensive, and the kind of thing a Fucking Moron kid would write!

So **** Off, Grow Up, & get a Life you Obnoxious little twat:mad:

Quit spazzing. It's not more offensive to you in your situation just because you pretend it is. If I had a retarded brother, it doesn't mean that "retard" is extra offensive to me. He's calling you a retard to call into question your intellectual capacity, and your response just kinda seals the deal: He nailed it.

[Ichinisan]

yamster32: "Read a book"? Perhaps YOU don't understand how this artificial offensiveness exists only in Europe/Australia and is NOTHING but P.C. silliness. I really don't approve of Europeans adding extra significance to the word "spastic". It's perfectly OK to call someone "spastic" when they behave in a spastic manner consistent with "spasms". It can be related to actions/statements that were reactionary and not thought out, bordering on involuntary. Your response can be likened to:

Me:
Hello.

Stranger:
Your mother is ugly and stupid.

Me:
I'm personally insulted! Let's fight!

I know that there is no way you are familiar with me or my mother, and your intent is to pick a fight with me. Despite this knowledge, I will respond the way that I have been programmed to respond; the way I am EXPECTED to respond.

NOBODY TALKS LIKE THAT ABOUT MY MAMA!


Shut up, yamster32...and learn to use proper capitalization FFS!


WTF kind of source is "via email"? Anyone having trouble believing that Nintendo would issue official news releases via email to a crappy site like Maxconsole?

Zeus, you need to Google up some websites that explain how to do basic news reporting. Otherwise, refrain from posting at all.

Seconded! Maxconsole posted the original article in complete ignorance of how traditional journalism works. Basic journalistic ideas, such as a news wire where all media outlets can purchase filler articles, are obviously not understood by the aspiring "journalists" who run this site. Maxconsole demonstrated further ignorance by posting Nintendo's reply, which clearly indicates a lack of shame due to complete ignorance. Maxconsole responded as if they were big-shots to have gotten a reaction from the Big N. In reality, it's emphasizing everything that's wrong with Maxconsole and why it's so poisonous to the Blogosphere...

[SpiderCyde]

Why do people act as though Nintendo is the saint of the console manufacturers, are you all high? Why not read a little history on Nintendo and look at how their practices almost cost them their company including bullying retailers and 3rd party game companies, Nintendo is dirtier than Microsoft's OS division, and there is no way in hell they are above this type of fraudulent activity. I think they saw how low supply created major demand for Sony and the PS2 and they perfected it, they have managed to keep this BS going for over a year now, which has kept brain dead people wanting one and it's allowed Nintendo to keep the same price point. One of my favorite quotes was "the console everyone wants but nobody plays" and you can try and convince me how fun all the games are, but the fact that their attach rate is considerably lower than Microsoft and Sony is pretty telling, not to mention stores like Toys R Us and Circuit City have had ran buy 2 get 1 free on Wii games just to try and move stock and still they have the lowest attach rate, sketchy.. very sketchy. I can't wait until this all blows up in Nintendo's face.

Agreed, also...it further pisses me off that Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 is only on Nintendo platforms when the first game was on 360 and pc.

[CZroe]

Agreed, also...it further pisses me off that Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 is only on Nintendo platforms when the first game was on 360 and pc.

And PS2. It was first on PS2. In fact, it's one of the best looking PS2 games. And don't forget the handheld versions.

Now, step back and ask yourself: Why is the sequel a Wii exclusive? Because clearly, the Wii version of the previous game proved that it was the only platform that mattered. No one even realized that it was on the others. I, myself, bought the PC version for $15 at launch and played the Wii version.

[salviati]

It makes no sense that Nintendo would limit supply of the Wii. First and foremost, unlike the late 1980's when Nintendo did engage in such practices, there is real competition in the console market. Second, 75% of videogame sales occur in this period, what is even more significant is that this is the time Nintendo can least afford to have consumers choose an alternative console, because their Nintendo's game offerings are comparatively weak.
Fourth and most importantly, Nintendo is selling each Wii at a profit, unlike its competitors, hence every console lost to a competitor hits their bottom line. This is not true of the PS3 and the 360, which are both selling at a loss, where limiting production at least has some economic rationale, not much though.

All and all, I could care less who wins market share in this console cycle, because the reality is that Nintendo has changed the rules of the game from an economic standpoint. Namely, that by producing a gaming system on yesteryear's hardware, they have turned the economics of the industry on its head. Nothing demonstrates the success of this business model better than Sony sale of its chip division to Toshiba, effectively ending the era of gaming consoles being at the forefront of graphics technology- good riddance.

[CZroe]

It makes no sense that Nintendo would limit supply of the Wii. First and foremost, unlike the late 1980's when Nintendo did engage in such practices, there is real competition in the console market. Second, 75% of videogame sales occur in this period, what is even more significant is that this is the time Nintendo can least afford to have consumers choose an alternative console, because their Nintendo's game offerings are comparatively weak.
Fourth and most importantly, Nintendo is selling each Wii at a profit, unlike its competitors, hence every console lost to a competitor hits their bottom line. This is not true of the PS3 and the 360, which are both selling at a loss, where limiting production at least has some economic rationale, not much though.

All and all, I could care less who wins market share in this console cycle, because the reality is that Nintendo has changed the rules of the game from an economic standpoint. Namely, that by producing a gaming system on yesteryear's hardware, they have turned the economics of the industry on its head. Nothing demonstrates the success of this business model better than Sony sale of its chip division to Toshiba, effectively ending the era of gaming consoles being at the forefront of graphics technology- good riddance.

Well said, and thanks for coming. Please stick around to dilute the stupidity that is found here.

[RiPPn]

Almost cost them their company?! Their monopolistic practices made them richer than their wildest dreams and it brought stability to the previously failed industry. All they have "lost" since then was their stranglehold on the market. Nintendo has had one unprofitable quarter in their entire history of being in the video game business while the other players have been bleeding out cash left and right.

Also, only a retard would consider the attach rate when they know damn well that it includes a game AND doesn't require a sale to maintain profitability. Install base = potential sales regardless of the attach rate because those buyers will eventually want more games. The buy 2 get 1 free TRU deals have been reoccurring since before the Wii existed. It would alternate between console and handheld games before, not it alternates by platform. When the Wii and DS offers come back, it makes a huge stir BECAUSE the Wii is so big and people want games. That fact that you only know of the Wii promo is a testament to how wrong you are about people wanting games for their Wii!

My PS3 is sitting here with only 1 game. I've gone since launch with no games, only renting and playing the occasional demo. You know why? Nothing is worth the price on PS3 except the BD movies. The only reason I have that one game is because I went out and got a second PS3 that included Motorstorm for $400 after coupon when I decided that I'd be moving away from my brother next year and we'd both need a PS3.

My Wii collection includes Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Mario Party 8, Super Paper Mario, Wii Play, Wii Sports, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Excite Truck, Battalion Wars 2, Resident Evil 4, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Mario Strikers Charged (Football / Soccer), WarioWare: Smooth Moves, and Zack and Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure. I didn't pay over $40 for any of them (most were $15-30).

The console that nobody plays? I think not. My friends come here to play the Wii almost every single day. "Gamer-games" like Guitar Hero III, Metroid Prime 3, and Mario Galaxy are what keep them coming back. Until I get Rock Band or Eye of Judgement for cheap, none care about the PS3. Look at *reality* before choosing a "clever" quote to support your skewed perception.

The fact you bought a crippled version of Guitar Hero 3 on a platform that does not allow for downloadable content when you have a platform that supports this feature is a testament to how intelligent you really are. I admit rumble might be cool in the guitar, haven't tried the Wii version to know for sure, but the strum sound out of the Wii-mote speaker is useless, as I'm sure most people, including myself, play the game at high volume.

On top of that you praise Nintendo for it's profitability, well where does all this profit come from, ohh yeah your wallet, because they sell dated hardware at a premium, hold back supply to create false demand and keep the price at that premium, and rape on virtual console pricing and rape on accessories, insane.

As for Toys R Us doing the buy 2 get 1 free, they've done it twice for all platforms and at least 4 times for Wii only, also Circuit City has only done it for Wii games, so thats pretty telling.

"Install base = potential sales regardless of the attach rate because those buyers will eventually want more games" Sure that's logical, but the Wii seems to be breaking this mold as this is not holding true with the Wii as they have sold far fewer games then the 360 (7 to 3) and that's with Nintendo releasing franchise titles, Wario Ware, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Mario Party, Mario Strikers, Paper Mario all on the shelves, and only Smash Brothers and Mario Kart loaded in the barrel, Nintendo has to be concerned. But my guess they aren't because after the holiday and the release of those other 2 AAA titles that's when Nintendo will release the UberWii which will actually play DVDs and have motion that actually works, and they can restart the whole frenzy, yippee! Nintenblows!

[RiPPn]

It makes no sense that Nintendo would limit supply of the Wii. First and foremost, unlike the late 1980's when Nintendo did engage in such practices, there is real competition in the console market. Second, 75% of videogame sales occur in this period, what is even more significant is that this is the time Nintendo can least afford to have consumers choose an alternative console, because their Nintendo's game offerings are comparatively weak.
Fourth and most importantly, Nintendo is selling each Wii at a profit, unlike its competitors, hence every console lost to a competitor hits their bottom line. This is not true of the PS3 and the 360, which are both selling at a loss, where limiting production at least has some economic rationale, not much though.

Really, limiting supply has no economic rationale? So being in the news because of the low stock and people over paying to get one and getting all this free advertising doesn't effect Nintendos bottom line. If it weren't for the low stock and being in the news all the time the Wii would already be forgotten, the gimmick has already worn off and the console offers much less then the competition, so I would say it is in Nintendos best economic interest to continue limiting supply to create demand.


All and all, I could care less who wins market share in this console cycle, because the reality is that Nintendo has changed the rules of the game from an economic standpoint. Namely, that by producing a gaming system on yesteryear's hardware, they have turned the economics of the industry on its head. Nothing demonstrates the success of this business model better than Sony sale of its chip division to Toshiba, effectively ending the era of gaming consoles being at the forefront of graphics technology- good riddance.

Why do people see this strategy as a good thing, if Microsoft and Sony both adopt this strategy then we are going to be playing the same platform with a gimmick attached for the next 20 years, and on top of that they will limit stock to keep demand going meaning anyone who wants one will end up having to sleep in the front of a store, or paying double on ebay. If anything all Nintendo did is set the industry back, and thank god they aren't the only player or we would be stuck with a slow boring system with no online play, severely over priced downloadable games, and no storage to put them on, sounds like my kind of world. </sarcasm>

My cousin was so pro Wii until this Thanksgiving when I took my 360 and Rock Band with me, showed her Achievements and other features of Xbox Live like being able to play with our other cousins and friends, Xbox Live Arcade, the difference in graphics, and the over speed of the console OS, and I have never seen someone flip so quickly, I think these people that are so pro Wii need to remove their Nintendo rose colored glasses and learn what the other consoles actually offer before they stick up for their beloved Wii, I have all 3 so I have no bias based on ignorance, I actually know what each offers and which I play most.

[SpiderCyde]

And PS2. It was first on PS2. In fact, it's one of the best looking PS2 games. And don't forget the handheld versions.

Now, step back and ask yourself: Why is the sequel a Wii exclusive? Because clearly, the Wii version of the previous game proved that it was the only platform that mattered. No one even realized that it was on the others. I, myself, bought the PC version for $15 at launch and played the Wii version.

Yea man it sucks, I bought the 360 version and I loved the game. Really dissappointed that part 2 isn't on 360, oh well...i'm hoping it comes to pc so I don't have to go out and buy a wii just to play it.

[CZroe]

The fact you bought a crippled version of Guitar Hero 3 on a platform that does not allow for online play or downloadable content when you have a platform that supports these features is a testament to how intelligent you really are.
I played online today. You, sir, have no idea what you are talking about. The stereo problem was not publicly known when I bought it, and the guitar is likely to be cheaper than the original PS2 wired guitar when it is sold due to even having the tilt sensing done by the Wii Remote. I bought it knowing full well that it will not be the last title and that I can import all PS2 tracks into the PC clones and configure the Wii guitar to use it. The Wii guitar is superior: it has force feedback, flawless tilt sensing, and makes the twanging sounds from the guitar. Because I got Guitar Hero 1 & 2 for $35 total on Black Friday AND I got GH: Rocks the '80s for $25 after gift card, I made the smart choice. Also, I will be getting GHIII on my PC soon and I will be using the included Explorer guitar and the Wii guitar for guitar battles.

A replacement disc is cheap and they very well may implement such a program for the few people who notice the mono audio. It's not unprecedented: Nintendo replaced my Twilight Princess disc with the save glitch and I got a duplicate Wii case out of it.

The fact that I actually PAID ATTENTION to the cost of the game on the "superior" platform that I own as well as the accessory features while you did not says even more. $100 vs. $72 (RedOctane.com's launch day price with exclusive bundle). Considering that the stand-alone guitar price is not known but will certainly cost more on the PS3, the gulf will INCREASE as you add more guitars to either version.

And what better way to encourage Wii Ware downloadable tracks in the next GH game than by establishing the Wii as the dominant platform for future titles?


On top of that you praise Nintendo for it's profitability, well where does all this profit come from, ohh yeah your wallet, because they sell dated hardware at a premium, hold back supply to create false demand and keep the price at that premium, and rape on virtual console pricing and rape on accessories, insane.

$99 Gamcube in 2003 was not "dated technology at a premium." It was superior to the PS2 and to this day the PS2 has not matched the price.


As for Toys R Us doing the buy 2 get 1 free, they've done it twice for all platforms and at least 4 times for Wii only, also Circuit City has only done it for Wii games, so thats pretty telling.
Wrong again. TRU has been doing this for years and years. You know what Circuit City's move says? It says that profits on games are not razor-thin. It tells me that profits on Wii games are actually higher/less risky than PS3/XBOX 360 games. It tells me that they are scared to death that they won't sell enough $60-70 games on those platforms to profit before the inevitable clearance where they will lose money so they must make it back ASAP. Video games should be cheaper and sell more copies... I've always said that. Toward the end of hte PS2 lifetime with many $30 and $20 new releases, people are just starting to figure that out. With inflation and the poor dollar, $50 doesn't anger me like it once did. Even so, I refuse to pay even $45 for a Wii game with no hardware.


"Install base = potential sales regardless of the attach rate because those buyers will eventually want more games" Sure that's logical, but the Wii seems to be breaking this mold as this is not holding true with the Wii as they have sold far fewer games then the 360 (7 to 3) and that's with Nintendo releasing franchise titles, Wario Ware, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Mario Party, Mario Strikers, Paper Mario all on the shelves, and only Smash Brothers and Mario Kart loaded in the barrel, Nintendo has to be concerned. But my guess they aren't because after the holiday and the release of those other 2 AAA titles that's when Nintendo will release the UberWii which will actually play DVDs and have motion that actually works, and they can restart the whole frenzy, yippee! Nintenblows!

The 360 has been on the market twice as long and sold slightly more than twice as many games. Considering that the Wii came with a pack-in that doesn't count toward attach rate and delays the first game purchase, it sounds just right to me. Amazing, considering that they aren't targetting hardcore gamers exclusively and they are doing brisk business with the Virtual Console (I have several hundred dollars poured into mine!). Mario Galaxy's sales are still peaking. The holiday is not only where many new consoles and games will be sold, it's when the last year plus of console sales have potential software customers. The attach rate is just fine.

Did you consider that the games cost less to produce and that Nintendo doesn't have to pay off the hardware with them (meaning more profit shared with the developers)? Nintendo set a target with the original NES: Make a profit by the third game sale because that is the average number of games sold per console (read David Sheff's book). That's what they did and they don't even need to do that with their current situation of actually profitting on each Wii sold, so they are just fine and third parties are too. $250 is clearly a sales limiting factor due to high demand. You'd better believe that it would be $200 by now if they actually slowed down and came in permanent stock at retailers.

[RiPPn]

I played online today. You, sir, have no idea what you are talking about. The stereo problem was not publicly known when I bought it, and the guitar is likely to be cheaper than the original PS2 wired guitar when it is sold due to even having the tilt sensing done by the Wii Remote. I bought it knowing full well that it will not be the last title and that I can import all PS2 tracks into the PC clones and configure the Wii guitar to use it. The Wii guitar is superior: it has force feedback, flawless tilt sensing, and makes the twanging sounds from the guitar. Because I got Guitar Hero 1 & 2 for $35 total on Black Friday AND I got GH: Rocks the '80s for $25 after gift card, I made the smart choice. Also, I will be getting GHIII on my PC soon and I will be using the included Explorer guitar and the Wii guitar for guitar battles.

A replacement disc is cheap and they very well may implement such a program for the few people who notice the mono audio. It's not unprecedented: Nintendo replaced my Twilight Princess disc with the save glitch and I got a duplicate Wii case out of it.

The fact that I actually PAID ATTENTION to the cost of the game on the "superior" platform that I own as well as the accessory features while you did not says even more. $100 vs. $72 (RedOctane.com's launch day price with exclusive bundle). Considering that the stand-alone guitar price is not known but will certainly cost more on the PS3, the gulf will INCREASE as you add more guitars to either version.

And what better way to encourage Wii Ware downloadable tracks in the next GH game than by establishing the Wii as the dominant platform for future titles?

So you based most of this on a "what if" price point on the sold separately Wii guitar, and a "what if" they replace the game disk, if we wanted to nitpick price point we could include the extra dollars you forked out for the other 3 versions of Guitar Hero, or the fact you have to own a second Wii-mote for your second guitar, or you will also have to purchase a second copy of Guitar Hero 3 on PC to complete your pipe dream and your price comparison on a one time price of the game isn't much of an argument either, I got the 360 version for 80$ with a 20$ best buy reward zone certificate, does that mean jack **** to anyone else. And thanks for the heads up on online play, I corrected my post, I actually did not research the Wii version as I knew there was no way in hell I was going to buy it when I could have it on the 360 with achievements, robust online play, and downloadable content, and the fact that the 360 version sold more than all other versions combined means I wasn't the only one. The Wii versions mono sound, friend codes for online play, and lack of downloadable content is far more than rumble and a strum sound can overcome. But hey, like you said you'll have to dream of playing a proper version until Guitar Hero 4 comes out, and that's if the Wii comes out with a proper storage system.


$99 Gamcube in 2003 was not "dated technology at a premium." It was superior to the PS2 and to this day the PS2 has not matched the price.

Well if you were just buying it for the hardware to sit on the shelf then that comparison might mean something, but paying 99$ to play a handful of good titles, compared to the PS2 for 129$ with hundreds of good titles and still being supported, ohh and the ability to play dvds, I think makes up for the 30$ premium, and the Xbox was superior to both systems and could be had for 149$, I guess if you factor in the required memory cards for the other 2 systems your right at the same price point.


Wrong again. TRU has been doing this for years and years. You know what Circuit City's move says? It says that profits on games are not razor-thin. It tells me that profits on Wii games are actually higher/less risky than PS3/XBOX 360 games. It tells me that they are scared to death that they won't sell enough $60-70 games on those platforms to profit before the inevitable clearance where they will lose money so they must make it back ASAP. Video games should be cheaper and sell more copies... I've always said that. Toward the end of hte PS2 lifetime with many $30 and $20 new releases, people are just starting to figure that out. With inflation and the poor dollar, $50 doesn't anger me like it once did. Even so, I refuse to pay even $45 for a Wii game with no hardware.

My argument was never about how long TRU has been doing this, it's just about how much more they are doing it to Wii titles than any other system, including DS games. Are you really trying to argue that Wii games aren't selling? Just look at Guitar Hero 3, it sold less copies than all but the PS3 version, but the PS3 version has 1/4 the consoles in consumers hands and sold just slightly less, that's pretty telling.


The 360 has been on the market twice as long and sold slightly more than twice as many games. Considering that the Wii came with a pack-in that doesn't count toward attach rate and delays the first game purchase, it sounds just right to me. Amazing, considering that they aren't targetting hardcore gamers exclusively and they are doing brisk business with the Virtual Console (I have several hundred dollars poured into mine!). Mario Galaxy's sales are still peaking. The holiday is not only where many new consoles and games will be sold, it's when the last year plus of console sales have potential software customers. The attach rate is just fine.

Again we can use the Guitar Hero 3 sales as a pretty good indicator as to how Wii software is selling when compared to the 360, the game was sold when the Wii has more consoles in peoples homes than the 360, yet the 360 sold 3x as many, this would have nothing to do with your argument that the 360 has been around for twice as long. And the pack in not counting seems to be your argument quite often, but how about Wii-play which included a controller at the price of a controller which did count and most people bought for their second Wii-mote this way, that easily offsets the pack in.


Did you consider that the games cost less to produce and that Nintendo doesn't have to pay off the hardware with them (meaning more profit shared with the developers)? Nintendo set a target with the original NES: Make a profit by the third game sale because that is the average number of games sold per console (read David Sheff's book). That's what they did and they don't even need to do that with their current situation of actually profitting on each Wii sold, so they are just fine and third parties are too. $250 is clearly a sales limiting factor due to high demand. You'd better believe that it would be $200 by now if they actually slowed down and came in permanent stock at retailers.

Per my previous post the Nintendo caused false demand is allowing Nintendo to keep the 249.00 price point. They have stated they are making profits on hardware on several occasions, but do they pass this price to the customer, nah they pocket it and keep the price point the same mean while holding back supply keeping themselves in the news making people think it's a hot item, when it's a joke. The gimmick has worn off and if there were piles of these on shelves the Wii would be forgotten by now. No worries though once the demand dies down they will introduce new hardware, I suspect will be sometime next year and it'll be the uber-wii with DVD playback, a hard drive built in, and motion sensing that actually works, and it'll likely cost much more, and unfortunately the new sensing technology means you have to buy the new uber-wii-mote as the old one doesn't work with the new technology, and Nintendo can milk low supply for another 2 years, meanwhile still stating that they don't need HD and online play, again Nintenblows.