Wii's lead over PS3 in Japan shrinking - Enterbain

[Zeus]

Game magazine publisher Enterbain has revealed that the Wii outsold the Sony PS3 by just 2-1 in October, with its lead over Sony's next-generation platform shrinking for the fourth month in a row. Accrding to Enterbains' figures, the Wii sold 110,415 units until the end of October, compared to 47,183 units of the PS3.



Nintendo Co Ltd's Wii game console outsold Sony Corp's PlayStation 3 by 2-to-1 in Japan in October, a game magazine publisher said, but its lead over the PS3 shrank for the fourth consecutive month.

Nintendo sold 110,415 units of the Wii in the four weeks to October 28, compared with 47,183 units of the PS3, Enterbrain said on Friday.


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[-= MB =-]

It should say Lead in weekly sales is shrinking, as the Wii still sells more per wek then ps3 does, so in reality the Wii is still expanding it's lead.

[Juneyp]

It should say Lead in weekly sales is shrinking, as the Wii still sells more per wek then ps3 does, so in reality the Wii is still expanding it's lead.



What you said makes no sense...

The Wii's weekly sales is expanding over the ps3 yet the ps3 is shrinking the lead?

[jiminton]

It should say Lead in weekly sales is shrinking, as the Wii still sells more per wek then ps3 does, so in reality the Wii is still expanding it's lead.

You made perfect sense. juneyp is just a little slow.

[mashti]

What you said makes no sense...

The Wii's weekly sales is expanding over the ps3 yet the ps3 is shrinking the lead?

you see the problem is fanboys do comeout with none sense because they can't accept bad news as a fact. :D

& while the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1 in japan the PS3 is still twice more expensive than the Wii & if considering the price difference then to every Wii sold a PS3 is sold too ;), so really its 1-1 not 2-1.

[johnnewhouse]

you see the problem is fanboys do comeout with none sense because they can't accept bad news as a fact. :D

& while the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1 in japan the PS3 is still twice more expensive than the Wii & if considering the price difference then to every Wii sold a PS3 is sold too ;), so really its 1-1 not 2-1.

whats cost got to do with it?

the ps3 will overtake the Wii this christmas in weekly sales, but it will take a long time for the ps3 to catch up with it.

[mashti]

whats cost got to do with it?
.

its got everything to do with it, Price the Wii the same as the PS3 & see which console sells more ;)

low price plays a major factor in Wii sales.

[beatngu]

how is the lead shrinking when the wii is still selling double the amount of units that the ps3 is ? that means the lead is still expanding . the lead will not start shrinking until the ps3 starts outselling the wii .

the integrity of this site is quickly shrinking to nil . you must be getting paid like famitsu to put a headline like that up .

[pezjono]

you see the problem is fanboys do comeout with none sense because they can't accept bad news as a fact. :D

& while the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1 in japan the PS3 is still twice more expensive than the Wii & if considering the price difference then to every Wii sold a PS3 is sold too ;), so really its 1-1 not 2-1.

You see, your problem is that your fanboyism is coming out with nonsense because you can't accept the fact that PS3 still has the lower sales.

You find a need to to add price into the factor of raw numbers sold, but yet you fail to realize that it takes money to manufacture consoles. Nintendo is making money with every console sold, Sony is not.
So really, it's 2-1 not 1-1.

[felixm477]

well OBVIOUSLY it wll eventually shrink a bit i mean the world only has so many ppl in it cant expect to sell more consoles than there are gamers in the first year

[mashti]

You find a need to to add price into the factor of raw numbers sold, but yet you fail to realize that it takes money to manufacture consoles.

in Nintendo's case it takes very little money to make their Hardware ;) specially when compared to the likes of PS3!! Nintendo knows it would fail if they had made Wii a powerful true next gen console like the PS3 because price would be very high for what they have to offer . they know not many people would pay $600 to play mario games & swinging a remote in the air & i guarantee to you & every Ninty fanboy that every hardware Nintendo will make in the future will have last gen power just to keep prices down so they can actually sell,they rely heavly on low prices & abusing "mario" to make some limited success they CANNOT take the risk of making a true next gen hardware,it will never ever happen with Nintendo.

[onyxx]

It should say Lead in weekly sales is shrinking, as the Wii still sells more per wek then ps3 does, so in reality the Wii is still expanding it's lead.

if the lead is shrinking how in the **** can it be expanding, your a moron.

[pezjono]

in Nintendo's case it takes very little money to make their Hardware ;) specially when compared to the likes of PS3!! Nintendo knows it would fail if they had made Wii a powerful true next gen console like the PS3 because price would be very high for what they have to offer . they know not many people would pay $600 to play mario games & swinging a remote in the air & i guarantee to you & every Ninty fanboy that every hardware Nintendo will make in the future will have last gen power just to keep prices down so they can actually sell,they rely heavly on low prices & abusing "mario" to make some limited success they CANNOT take the risk of making a true next gen hardware,it will never ever happen with Nintendo.

Absolutely!! You hit the nail on the head!
Not everyone wants to pay top notch for a system to only play a few loser exclusives on it. Not everyone has $600 sitting in their wallets to dish out money for a great system with mediocre games.
Instead Nintendo didn't follow the trend and they are making bank because they know what will sell.
Now if only you could just see what you just wrote, and apply that to the one thing you defend and praise in EVERY single post you have ever submitted. Take a couple minutes to think about it if you'd like:D

[mashti]

Absolutely!! You hit the nail on the head!
Not everyone wants to pay top notch for a system to only play a few loser exclusives on it. Not everyone has $600 sitting in their wallets to dish out money for a great system with mediocre games.
Instead Nintendo didn't follow the trend and they are making bank because they know what will sell.
Now if only you could just see what you just wrote, and apply that to the one thing you defend and praise in EVERY single post you have ever submitted. Take a couple minutes to think about it if you'd like:D

nintendo cannot risk it by taking on the hardcore gamers,they will fail so they stick to what they do best & that is targeting kids like yourself to buy their weak hardware & play their repeated to death mario games.

[pezjono]

nintendo cannot risk it by taking on the hardcore gamers,they will fail so they stick to what they do best & that is targeting kids like yourself to buy their weak hardware & play their repeated to death mario games.

There is just no reaching out to these fanboys. They just resort to name calling and simplistic threats. If only closed minds came with closed mouths...

[mashti]

There is just no reaching out to these fanboys. They just resort to name calling and simplistic threats. If only closed minds came with closed mouths...

fankids :rolleyes:

[JimmyHACK_KH]

headline titles is incorrect yes...

[Darkest_RaVeN]

We don't need Nintendo clogging up the already stale 'next gen' market with another powerhouse. To be honest, we don't need Sony doing it either. What exactly has their console bought to the table that's been of note, apart from constant delays and cross format titles worse than on the XBOX360?
Nintendo are the wisest of all three makers this time round. Their console sells by the bucket load, and they make money on every one they sell. That's because it's not just for kids, it's for everyone. I call that a good business sense. So what if they dont have the prettiest graphics at the moment? My Wii gets as much game time as my 360, mainly because it has some pretty good titles now too.
Anyway, to clear up the issue of the misleading title, the only thing shrinking is the rate at which the Wii is pulling ahead in sales. It's still pulling away, just not as fast.

[shemmy]

y'know, with every nimbus post i read, i yearn for the "golden days" of serious non-fanboy discussion as peddled by jerzmob, etc ...:rolleyes:

anyway...

taking themselves out of the tech-war currently being fought between sony and ms was a real smart move from nintendo.

[indolent]

if the lead is shrinking how in the **** can it be expanding, your a moron.

Reading comprehension is helpful...

[Kenban]

The real question that needs to be answered here is if the Wii sales are down because units are being held back possibly for Mario which came out this week or if there is stock in stores but its not selling. This weeks sales figures should be interesting and its worth watching what happens with sales over the next few months.

[dennis872007]

nintendo cannot risk it by taking on the hardcore gamers,they will fail so they stick to what they do best & that is targeting kids like yourself to buy their weak hardware & play their repeated to death mario games.

hey hey you forgot to mention the 80 year old grandma's who love their wii. they are so hardcore:D. they know what a true game is supposed to be. i mean the wii has the most influental game ever.

[mashti]

i mean the wii has the most influental game ever.

you mean the most "simple" game ever :D

[EliteStance]

how is the lead shrinking when the wii is still selling double the amount of units that the ps3 is ? that means the lead is still expanding . the lead will not start shrinking until the ps3 starts outselling the wii .

the integrity of this site is quickly shrinking to nil . you must be getting paid like famitsu to put a headline like that up .

Because the Wii was outselling the PS3 6 to 1, then 5 to 1... then 2 to 1. So as a time series of data the gap between each sales curve is narrowing.

[EliteStance]

We don't need Nintendo clogging up the already stale 'next gen' market with another powerhouse. To be honest, we don't need Sony doing it either. What exactly has their console bought to the table that's been of note, apart from constant delays and cross format titles worse than on the XBOX360?
Nintendo are the wisest of all three makers this time round. Their console sells by the bucket load, and they make money on every one they sell. That's because it's not just for kids, it's for everyone. I call that a good business sense. So what if they dont have the prettiest graphics at the moment? My Wii gets as much game time as my 360, mainly because it has some pretty good titles now too.
Anyway, to clear up the issue of the misleading title, the only thing shrinking is the rate at which the Wii is pulling ahead in sales. It's still pulling away, just not as fast.


You arguement I'm afraid makes no sense... if you apply this logic then MS should never have entered the market at all with original XBOX. You think companies are going to take turns? Oh look, MS released their console first so we'll cancel ours so as not to clog up the market. Let's release ours in 3 years insteand and then MS will cancel their next console so we can have our turn.

Dude, it's called a competative marketplace for a reason. MS want to enter the market and have, you think existing players like Sony and Nintendo are just gonna pack their backs and give up?

At least you explained what the latest trends actually mean though...

[dennis872007]

Because the Wii was outselling the PS3 6 to 1, then 5 to 1... then 2 to 1. So as a time series of data the gap between each sales curve is narrowing.

yes but it still gaining a lead. just not a big lead like before. when it starts selling 1 to 1 the lead will start to shrink

[Darkest_RaVeN]

I think you misunderstood my argument there, EliteStance. When the original XBOX came along it had games like Halo and Knights of the Old Republic during its lifetime. These weren't on any other console format and made it a worthwhile purchase alongside the PS2 and Gamecube. If the PS3 had any AAA+ titles I couldn't play elsewhere, it'd be worth buying. Right now it just isn't. Oh, and due to this 'competitive market' Sega and countless others have already packed up and gone due to newcomers...

[ShortFlip]

you see the problem is fanboys do comeout with none sense because they can't accept bad news as a fact. :D

& while the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1 in japan the PS3 is still twice more expensive than the Wii & if considering the price difference then to every Wii sold a PS3 is sold too ;), so really its 1-1 not 2-1.

I didn't really think about that until now, the Wii is half the price of the PS3 so technically in sales the PS3 would be equal the Wii for the month of October. Glad to see the numbers looking up for the PS3 ror once.

[John Crichton]

& while the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1 in japan the PS3 is still twice more expensive than the Wii

and what does that mean to 3rd party developers?

and wasn't nintendo making profit with the wii, while sony makes a loss with the ps3?


if considering the price difference then to every Wii sold a PS3 is sold too , so really its 1-1 not 2-1.

you know what you're saying?

[mashti]

you know what you're saying?

try working your brain little harder,may i suggest Big Brain Academy as a solution. :D

[grapeape]

you see the problem is fanboys do comeout with none sense because they can't accept bad news as a fact. :D

& while the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1 in japan the PS3 is still twice more expensive than the Wii & if considering the price difference then to every Wii sold a PS3 is sold too ;), so really its 1-1 not 2-1.

It all comes down to basic math if the Wii was beating the PS3 by a wide margin before and is beating the PS3 by a smaller margin now...it means that the Wii sales are comming closer to earth but it does not mean the PS3 is catching up...its still loosing monthly which means the gap is still increasing, its just not increasing at the rate it was before. I know that not what your fanboy eyes want to see but that is the reality at the moment.

BTW I wouldnt look at the price difference as a benefit for Sony they loose more than the cost of a Wii on each sale...

[kmoed]

you see the problem is fanboys do comeout with none sense because they can't accept bad news as a fact. :D

& while the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1 in japan the PS3 is still twice more expensive than the Wii & if considering the price difference then to every Wii sold a PS3 is sold too ;), so really its 1-1 not 2-1.


LOL!
Too funny to see the desperation in extreme Sony fanbois trying to come out with every excuse to make themselves feel better.
If you like your console isn't that good enough?
So if the averaged out all the weeks Nintendo has been stomping all over the measly PS3 10-1 8-1 etc.. what would your math be then?

[{{909}}]

my god mashti, you do talk some absolute crap

heres the situation, the wii has been on the market almost a year and its ONLY JUST starting to slow down sales wise, it has already broken almost every sales record in history. Incredibly high sales don't can't last forever and now, when they do fall they're still DOUBLE that of the PS3.
The news is right, the lead is shrinking, but thats normal after having the best part of a year absolutley p*ssing all over the competition, unless the wii takes a nosedive and never recovers, Nintendo have nothing to worry about.

[shemmy]

I didn't really think about that until now, the Wii is half the price of the PS3 so technically in sales the PS3 would be equal the Wii for the month of October. Glad to see the numbers looking up for the PS3 ror once.

some of the logic displayed on this forum makes my brain ache.

[billysastard]

if the lead is shrinking how in the **** can it be expanding, your a moron.

may i suggest a headband or bandana to keep your bollocks from covering your eyes.

if the wii is OUTSELLING the ps3 by over 2:1 then the wii's total sales over the ps3 is indeed expanding every week, its the thread title and your fanboy brain thats wrong.

[billysastard]

yes but it still gaining a lead. just not a big lead like before. when it starts selling 1 to 1 the lead will start to shrink


errr no it wouldnt, even at 1:1 the wii will still have a huge lead that wont be shrinking, in order to actualy start to narrow the gap the ps3 need to outsell the wii every week.

[xllzerollx]

just wait for ff13
it will be like 20:1 in japan lol

[Kenban]

just wait for ff13
it will be like 20:1 in japan lol

Maybe but how far away is FF XIII? Most estimates are still putting it for release in very late 2008 at the earliest. So thats not going to effect sales for possibly 12 months or maybe even more. (Although I don't think the jump will be anywhere near that large.)

[billysastard]

just wait for ff13
it will be like 20:1 in japan lol

thats true, but only for a couple of weeks and what happens when an ff or dq or monster hunter game hits for wii?

also wii sales are stiffled at the moment to increase stock for the holiday season, once thats back to normal the wii will almost certainly go back to 3:1 or 4:1 over the ps3 every week but even at 2:1 if this carries on much longer the ps3 realy will become a lost cause, its just falling farther and farther behind.

[p$p b0y]

you see the problem is fanboys do comeout with none sense because they can't accept bad news as a fact. :D

& while the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1 in japan the PS3 is still twice more expensive than the Wii & if considering the price difference then to every Wii sold a PS3 is sold too ;), so really its 1-1 not 2-1.

you go on about "fanboys" not being able to take news or facts, then twist numbers to make yourself seem like one?

[put4558350]

last 2 week ps3's market share is about 17.7%
this week ps3's market share is about 17.1%
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I do think after new year ps3's market share will fall less than 15% for sure. :D

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market share today
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Wii 13.31M (42.3%)
xbox360 12.74M (40.5%)
ps3 5.39M (17.1%)
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[put4558350]

thats true, but only for a couple of weeks and what happens when an ff or dq or monster hunter game hits for wii?

also wii sales are stiffled at the moment to increase stock for the holiday season, once thats back to normal the wii will almost certainly go back to 3:1 or 4:1 over the ps3 every week but even at 2:1 if this carries on much longer the ps3 realy will become a lost cause, its just falling farther and farther behind.

ff (13) go to ps3
dq9 go to ds

monster hunter (3), fatal frame 4, Ghost Squad and many new title gose to wii.
nealy every ps3's title gose multi to xbox360.

[xllzerollx]

Maybe but how far away is FF XIII? Most estimates are still putting it for release in very late 2008 at the earliest. So thats not going to effect sales for possibly 12 months or maybe even more. (Although I don't think the jump will be anywhere near that large.)
i know its never going to be like that :D

[put4558350]

Q: Wii's lead over PS3 in Japan shrinking
A: as you already see the number ... yes. But Wii still win over ps3 more than ps3 twice.

Q: And how about wold
A: reference to next picture ... no

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5199/93082719dl8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Q: why ?
A: I think. Nintendo move focus on shipping Wii to other zone. to make sure they win every zone in this world.

[zymologist]

you see the problem is fanboys do comeout with none sense because they can't accept bad news as a fact. :D

& while the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1 in japan the PS3 is still twice more expensive than the Wii & if considering the price difference then to every Wii sold a PS3 is sold too ;), so really its 1-1 not 2-1.

jerzmob/marjin? is that you?

you've won yourself another spot in my sig

[jayjames]

i cant believe the mathematical capabilties of some of you!! hilarious

[Azariel]

It all comes down to basic math if the Wii was beating the PS3 by a wide margin before and is beating the PS3 by a smaller margin now...it means that the Wii sales are comming closer to earth but it does not mean the PS3 is catching up...its still loosing monthly which means the gap is still increasing, its just not increasing at the rate it was before. I know that not what your fanboy eyes want to see but that is the reality at the moment.

BTW I wouldnt look at the price difference as a benefit for Sony they loose more than the cost of a Wii on each sale...

You said the things clearly.. right on the pot.
Some people dismiss the fact that is not a "one track race".. On reality the effect is accumulative... to lose 6-1 , then 5-1, or even 2-1, doesn't helps...table should turn like 7-1 to ps3 to really catch up... what is not happening. Also, Sony's Ps3 is putthign their pants down ( $$$$) to get some sales, but this means longer time without profit, if they don't catch a balanced margin, estimated to 2009, the results would leave painful scars.to Playstation brand..

[cokemusic1]

I don't think you should be too quick to call people idiots or say they lack the ability to calculate.

Considering the PS3 cost twice the amount of the Wii from a pure revenue persepctive the PS3 and Wii would be 1:1 in terms of sales , ofcourse from an install base perspective it's 2:1 , Sony don't really need to make PS3 considering that they make all the money on it from software sales , Nintendo make their money from wii but then take into consideration the low attachment rate it has.

So there is no dispute Wii is far ahead , but it's only Sony's cost from developing,marketing and price dropping the PS3 that isn't allowing a true reflection of it's performance in japan.

[snipersnake]

seriously guys, COD4 is out and its feakin awesome. get it and get out of this forum. do some real gaming.

[Azariel]

I don't think you should be too quick to call people idiots or say they lack the ability to calculate.

Considering the PS3 cost twice the amount of the Wii from a pure revenue persepctive the PS3 and Wii would be 1:1 in terms of sales , ofcourse from an install base perspective it's 2:1 , Sony don't really need to make PS3 considering that they make all the money on it from software sales , Nintendo make their money from wii but then take into consideration the low attachment rate it has.

So there is no dispute Wii is far ahead , but it's only Sony's cost from developing,marketing and price dropping the PS3 that isn't allowing a true reflection of it's performance in japan.

IF you are considering price to compare, you should consider Cost AND Profit, while the Wii is winning on sales, also is taking a lot of profit, PS3 is losing in sales, and still no profit ahead. Is not about "this is more expenssive & that's cehaper" is about which one sells and wins more, that is how this bussiness work.

[EliteStance]

yes but it still gaining a lead. just not a big lead like before. when it starts selling 1 to 1 the lead will start to shrink

That's what I said - the title is misleading. The actual story isn't talking about a lead shrinking, just that the rate at which the lead is being generated is shrinking - i.e. originally the Wii was outselling the PS3 more than it is now.

Or to put it another way - the Wii is still pulling ahead, but not so fast.

[EliteStance]

I think you misunderstood my argument there, EliteStance. When the original XBOX came along it had games like Halo and Knights of the Old Republic during its lifetime. These weren't on any other console format and made it a worthwhile purchase alongside the PS2 and Gamecube. If the PS3 had any AAA+ titles I couldn't play elsewhere, it'd be worth buying. Right now it just isn't. Oh, and due to this 'competitive market' Sega and countless others have already packed up and gone due to newcomers...

ok - got your slant now - sorry if it seemed I was slamming you.

[billysastard]

jerzmob/marjin? is that you?

you've won yourself another spot in my sig

majin or whatever its name was is unbanned i believe, i noticed a post from him the other day (or rather i noticed the "this user is on your ignore list" notice).

but your sig is right this place is just filling up with these arseholes.

[EliteStance]

I don't think you should be too quick to call people idiots or say they lack the ability to calculate.

Considering the PS3 cost twice the amount of the Wii from a pure revenue persepctive the PS3 and Wii would be 1:1 in terms of sales , ofcourse from an install base perspective it's 2:1 , Sony don't really need to make PS3 considering that they make all the money on it from software sales , Nintendo make their money from wii but then take into consideration the low attachment rate it has.

So there is no dispute Wii is far ahead , but it's only Sony's cost from developing,marketing and price dropping the PS3 that isn't allowing a true reflection of it's performance in japan.

You're not taking costs into account. Also, its not so much about the console sales as the attach rate for games, etc. sold with the console. So you need units of consoles in homes to get people buying gaming, movies, peripherals, etc. for them.

The Wii is the best selling console at the moment and that's it. The rate at which it's putting distance between itself and the PS3 is slowing but the PS3 is NOT catching up. It needs to start outselling the Wii to do that.

Trying to make adjustments made on basis of selling price isn't what you do for these kinds of figures. To do that you need to consider cost and then look at the profit.