Sony: We're nto worried by Wii outselling us, you can't compare PS3 to Wii

[Zeus]

In a recent interview, Sony's Phil Harrison commented that he is not worried by statistics which denote in some regions that the Wii is heavily outselling the PS3. He states that while he would like it to be the other way round, it is not fair to compare two products which are clearly aimed at different markets and price points. He was also probed for a response for all the negative coverage the PS3 has received and stated that he'll let the upcoming games do the talking.



GSUK: We keep seeing stories from Japan about the Wii outselling the PlayStation 3 here three-to-one or five-to-one or whatever. Does that worry you?

PH: I'm not worried about it, no. Obviously I would like it to be the other way round, but it's not really fair to compare two products that serve different markets and are at different price points. So, it's not something that concerns me when you look around at a place like this and see the depth and quality of talent in games we've got coming through, so I'm pretty happy, actually.

GSUK: So you think it's unfair that people keep comparing the Wii and the PS3 when the Wii is so much cheaper?

PH: Yes. I don't know what the analogy is. If I make an analogy I'll probably make an unreasonable analogy, so I won't bother.


News Source: <a href="http://us.gamespot.com/news/6179058.html" target="_blank">Gamespot</a>

[SoulThief]

He was also probed for a response for all the negative coverage the PS3 has received and stated that he'll let the upcoming games do the talking.

Can I have a copy of that, I read the coverage, and no-where not even remotely has he mentioned something like that.

[drunken monky]

These people need to stop talking.

price point is so much of a difference, that you cant compare them. wasnt the gamecube less expensive the the ps2?

[satel]

he is right so everyone inc maxconsole should stop comparing the cheap kiddies toy with the twice more expensive high tech ps3 console.

[DKing]

I'm not worried about it, no. Obviously I would like it to be the other way round, but it's not really fair to compare two products that serve different markets and are at different price points.

I'm sure if it was the other way around he would state things differently and would have no problems comparing the two products.

[danight]

In a recent interview, Sony's Phil Harrison commented

Thats all i had to see to know the article was full of crap. All he does is try to spin stuff if not flat out lie about it. He was the one who said rumble was last gen and wouldn't be in the sixaxis controller.


Im sure the wii doesnt bother sony. When most of the ps3 games are just xbox 360 ports. Third party dev. stop making gamers for the ps3 because the wii is whopping its butt and the jump on that bandwagon.

Phil harrison sucks... they need to fire him or at very least never let him talk to the media.

[danight]

I'm sure if it was the other way around he would state things differently and would have no problems comparing the two products.

Isnt that the truth!!!! Harrison can spin anything, even if he looks stupid trying to.

[Puppet]

What's not fair about comparing the two?

PS3/Wii
Price: More/Less
units sold: Less/More
Processing potential: More/Less
Innovative controller: Less/More

"It's not fair" is what my 3 year old cousin says when he is losing...

[grapeape]

I hate to say this because usually the guy makes me throw up in my mouth a little every time he talks, but I kind of agree with him on this. The 360 and PS3 are in competition but the Wii IMHO is a different category the only similarity is that it hooks up to a TV. I have no doubt that the Wii will continue to sell for quite some time but most real gamers are going to own either a PS3 or a 360. I dont know a single person who has bought a new console every generation that only has a Wii, well actually I do know one but he has a ps2 now and plans to get an Elite this christmas.

The size of the traditional console market will be as big probably a bit bigger than last gen, but the Wii is reaching a normally non-gaming audience that isnt going to be interested in traditional game controller type consoles. The remote has less buttons than most TV controls and is familiar looking enough that it doesnt intimidate the average person. There is nothing that MS or Sony can do beyond flat out ripping off the Wii and shifing focus from gamers to the casual market to capture that market. IMHO a move like that would be disasterous for the console market in general, the average consumer is fickle...the Wii is the current "hot toy" and will be so until the next hot toy comes along. Seen the demand for Beanie Babies or Tickle Me Elmo's lately? I know this sounds insulting, it isnt ment to be, I have a Wii and like it alot. As long as Nintendo continues to remember their core fans I think they will do fine but I also think that probably upwards of 50-60% of their current base is of the casual type.

[kcvfr400]

Just looking at the games being bought and the people playing the wii it is ovious they are not comparable. The ps3 is looking to expand its ps2 userbase by the end of the cycle, but the wii is looking to step out of the current userbase for gaming and grab a big non gaming audience.

It was made ovious more when I listened to the alpha moms on the podcast that featured the factor 5 developer that someone linked too on here. They clearly are happy to play cooking mama or wiisports from what they said. Or wiifit when it comes out and buy few games that bare any comparism to anything nintendo has done before let alone the ps3 games in development. And they mentioned having zelda given to them but no interest in playing it or any other traditional nintendo game.

The wii charts will follow the ds charts with a few titles hanging about endlessly in the top ten and hardware selling well, all very casual and not something Sony could do as they need to make console costs back off games bought unlike the wii.

If he ment it like it seems in the context I have put then harrison is correct if not then he is doing his usual then lol.

[thePANICHIOteam]

Lets all hope the upcoming games do the talking. I used to only turn on my PS3 to check that it still worked, I got that Heavnly Sword and completed in no time at all. And whats with all the one player games? Why dont they bother with multiplayer anymore?

[arashb]

Lets all hope the upcoming games do the talking. I used to only turn on my PS3 to check that it still worked, I got that Heavnly Sword and completed in no time at all. And whats with all the one player games? Why dont they bother with multiplayer anymore?

cuz of online... they all dropped multiplayer on most games with online now :( but atleast teh wii has good party games :D

[Xenontc]

These people need to stop talking.

price point is so much of a difference, that you cant compare them. wasnt the gamecube less expensive the the ps2?

It's much more than the prices that sets the 2 apart, the Wii is a video game console, the PS3 is not.

[Jongamer]

Im sorry to say, but all you douche bags that think the Wii is not in the Same category as the 360 or ps3 are ignorant ass holes. :mad:

You guys should be playing all the consoles instead of biting each others head's off over which is better.

I used to be a full-fledged Nintendo Fanboy and hate Sony, but now I defend the ps3 when somone disses it, I do the same for 360 and Wii.

And calling the Wii a "kiddy toy" :mad::mad::mad::mad: You guys that think this have a horrible perspective on reality.

[danight]

Still if you compare features of xbox, ps2 and yes the little gamecube. I say its fair and yes they should be compared. They are game systems flat out. The ps3 sony decided to use to try and push their blu-ray format instead of being solely a game console. But you sure saw sony gloat how great the ps2 was vs the xbox and gamecube (they have the right, the ps2 was probably the best console ever). Now the shoe is on the other foot. Because sony tried to force their own dvd format on the consumer they let Nintendo and Microsoft take over the market.

Phil can say what ever he wants but the facts are facts. The wii is killing the ps3 regardless who he thinks the wii appeals to. Much like the ps2 did the gamecube.

Now Mircosoft isnt going away with out a fight though

For the month the 360 sold 276,000 units, a hefty jump from the 170,000 sold in July.

Clearly they want their 1st place back.

[pezjono]

I guess it's not fair to compare any cars between each other either since they are all marketed towards different audiences and are different prices... /sarcasm
They are both video game systems, like it or not. It is absolutely okay to compare all 3 systems.

Like a poster above said, when I played games with my cousin who is 4, he would always say "that's not fair" when I was winning.

[grapeape]

I guess it's not fair to compare any cars between each other either since they are all marketed towards different audiences and are different prices... /sarcasm
They are both video game systems, like it or not. It is absolutely okay to compare all 3 systems.

Like a poster above said, when I played games with my cousin who is 4, he would always say "that's not fair" when I was winning.

So you really think you could make a fair comparison between say a Ford Metro and a BMW Z4 M Roadster without being laughed at hysterically?

I love my wii but if I have to compare my Wii to my 360 the Wii is definately the Ford Metro with a spoiler and a set of spinners. Its great fun but its noticeably weaker than the other two but has a great controller. In the end its strength is going to lie totally in its exclusives. I guess Force Unleashed will be a good test to see if the fun factor can overcome the graphics factor for multiplatform titles but I expect if it works it will be the exception not the norm.

[Blades]

.............He was also probed for a response for all the negative coverage the PS3 has received and stated that he'll let the upcoming games do the talking.


Yea, just like Lair and Warhawk. Let them do the talking.:rolleyes:


Phil just shut up, you make us Ps3 owners look bad.



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[SoulThief]

Yea, just like Lair and Warhawk. Let them do the talking.:rolleyes:


Phil just shut up, you make us Ps3 owners look bad.



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Warhawk is very beloved among PS3 users, and Lair seems to be favored by many aswel, despite it's controls.
That you don't like either, doesn't neccesarly mean every owner will agree with you, they won't.

[IJTF_Cinder]

It's much more than the prices that sets the 2 apart, the Wii is a video game console, the PS3 is not.

Even though I can't possibly care about all the fanboyish nonsense in the world, and I do indeed want a PS3 at some poing, it's software library is appalling right now and the system costs too much money..........

ZING! (At least until the ridiculous 3DO price disappears, and theres a more appealing software lineup)

[msanchez]

I actually thin Phil isn't talking as much cr@p as he used to, and I think people are misinterpreting what he probably meant. The fact that the difference is $350 doesn't put things in the proper context, the ps3 is "TWICE" the price of the wii. I'm not saying which is better, or which one sucks, or why things are like they are, none of that is what I'm arguing so spare me the "Betamax2", "Not a video game" etc, etc comments. I'm just saying would you say a company that sells a $30, 000 dollar car should worry that a $15,000 car sells more then their vehicle does?

Now when you consider that we are talking about a video game console this gets highlighted even more I think. "Casual" gamers will have less of a problem spending $250 then they would spending $600, much like since I'm not big on watching movies at home I would never spend $300+ on a DVD/HD-DVD/BD player (yes the ps3 plays BD; the ps2 played DVDs and I never used it for this), on the flip side I have no problem dropping $800 on a mobile phone. My point is part-time gamers are not going to spend $600 on a console anyway you look at it, but $250 isn't that much to spend on the new "in" thing or an impulse buy.

Nintendo are certainly doing great, and probably will keep at it for some time, but it's not because of the games they are offering, the innovation or that nintendo is "kiddy friendly" it's because of the price point plain and simple. Truly if things weren't as they are sony would probably have no problem comparing the 2, but I guarantee you 100% that nintendo would be using the price difference argument to their favor.

[MadMax31]

Man, I use to think that sony was stupid for leting they executives talk this kind of crap, but with all the responses he can get of saying this kind of stuff it just makes it funny :).

[mrdj]

So, if the ps3 cant be compared with the Wii becouse of its advance in tech and price, shouldent a more high end console be a bigger saler then apart from the higher price it got? If it`s not in that case, I think it´s just to realase that consumer prefer a cheper console with less power over a high tech console..nothing to blame the lesser powerful Wii on just becouse they are ahead in term of sells....pretty weak i would say. Its all next gen consoles! Its just about choices they made for the consumers..

[EliteStance]

Yea, just like Lair and Warhawk. Let them do the talking.:rolleyes:


Phil just shut up, you make us Ps3 owners look bad.



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not too sure about Lair though...

[EliteStance]

So, if the ps3 cant be compared with the Wii becouse of its advance in tech and price, shouldent a more high end console be a bigger saler then apart from the higher price it got? If it`s not in that case, I think it´s just to realase that consumer prefer a cheper console with less power over a high tech console..nothing to blame the lesser powerful Wii on just becouse they are ahead in term of sells....pretty weak i would say. Its all next gen consoles! Its just about choices they made for the consumers..

High end merchandise does not normally sell more...

His point is - ford focus sells more than a BMW - he's saying (right or wrong) that PS3 represents the high end choice with tech and extras to match. Its the same things with TVs, etc. Sure, you could compare a $ 200 dollar TV with a $ 600 TV, but does that make sense? Are they targeting same consumer?

Normally I never agree with the guy but his point here is valid.

I think Sony's problem is clarity as to what PS3 actually is. Wii is a games unit plain and simple... PS3 has music, media, internet connection and soon TV recording... as well as games.

Sony now seem confused about the PS3 and so are consumers.

I know why I bought PS3 - now I'm curious to see if Sony stick to original strategy or change course due to market conditions...

[mrdj]

High end merchandise does not normally sell more...

His point is - ford focus sells more than a BMW - he's saying (right or wrong) that PS3 represents the high end choice with tech and extras to match. Its the same things with TVs, etc. Sure, you could compare a $ 200 dollar TV with a $ 600 TV, but does that make sense? Are they targeting same consumer?

Normally I never agree with the guy but his point here is valid.

I think Sony's problem is clarity as to what PS3 actually is. Wii is a games unit plain and simple... PS3 has music, media, internet connection and soon TV recording... as well as games.

Sony now seem confused about the PS3 and so are consumers.

I know why I bought PS3 - now I'm curious to see if Sony stick to original strategy or change course due to market conditions...

thats right.....

[zymologist]

I actually thin Phil isn't talking as much cr@p as he used to, and I think people are misinterpreting what he probably meant. The fact that the difference is $350 doesn't put things in the proper context, the ps3 is "TWICE" the price of the wii. I'm not saying which is better, or which one sucks, or why things are like they are, none of that is what I'm arguing so spare me the "Betamax2", "Not a video game" etc, etc comments. I'm just saying would you say a company that sells a $30, 000 dollar car should worry that a $15,000 car sells more then their vehicle does?
the difference is that after you've bought that car it doesnt rely on any particular car specific infrastructure, unlike games consoles which are just a paperweight without games.

lets imagine for a minute that cars (consoles) require different types of petrol (games). now the petrol stations (developers) dont all have enough room (staff) to have one bowser for each cars fuel, so some of them will simply not cater to every car. the petrol stations are more likely to install the bowsers for more common cars, leaving the owners of the more expensive cars out in the cold.

of course there will always be some petrol stations catering to those owners, but since they have a smaller market they know they can charge more for the petrol (since you cant get it elsewhere) and you sometimes have to wait for the tanker to bring the more fuel because these specialist petrol stations often seem to run out.

[Xenogears V]

Also I am convinced that the Ps3, will win the final war.

To the moment the Ps3 suffer the tall too price and the lack of great titles.

[EliteStance]

the difference is that after you've bought that car it doesnt rely on any particular car specific infrastructure, unlike games consoles which are just a paperweight without games.

lets imagine for a minute that cars (consoles) require different types of petrol (games). now the petrol stations (developers) dont all have enough room (staff) to have one bowser for each cars fuel, so some of them will simply not cater to every car. the petrol stations are more likely to install the bowsers for more common cars, leaving the owners of the more expensive cars out in the cold.

of course there will always be some petrol stations catering to those owners, but since they have a smaller market they know they can charge more for the petrol (since you cant get it elsewhere) and you sometimes have to wait for the tanker to bring the more fuel because these specialist petrol stations often seem to run out.


It's more complex than that though - and BTW the cars element still holds up (not only because of disel vs petrol representing fundamentally unique needs of specific cars) but because of what you get over a vehicle that gets you from A to B using same petrol. If I'm in a BMW with better speakers, sat nav, etc. my experience is different - Sony are going same route - so with the same game as 360 you get HD video playback, etc. in addition. Of course, it's choice whether you want (or value) those extras over say another model (360) that doesn't have them but still plays the same game.

In addition I guess the general view would be that the console with the most units sold gets the games but it's more complex than that currently.

For starters, there are games you can have on PS3 and 360 that will never run on Wii - do you think if Wii really marches ahead there's going to be no more Boishocks, Oblivions, etc. because they won't run on Wii?

Also, once developers sort out strategy for dual development they'll go for both PS3 and 360 as they've both already sold enough to represent a good market. If you take low end estimate that PS3 has sold 3 M and 360 8 M then in total you've got 11 M target customers - and this target base is growing every day.

Not to mention exlusives and first party vs third party development - for example Nintendo tends to sell much more first party, so even as it sells more most developers are stuck knowing they will sell more on PS3 and 360 and that they are better set up to develop for those platforms vs Wii - which due to design choice is really about different game experiences.

I think we're already past point of having clear winner / loser and let's all develop for this console instead... heck look at original Xbox - with number of PS2s already sold when it came out in theory developers should never have touched it in the first place - but it sold, you could port (not always well) PC games and there was margin to be made doing so.

I think the big question now is whether there's going to be a clear winner (as with PS2) in terms of marketshare or whether it's going to be closer this time around...

[*StoneCold*]

Im sorry people, but i thought that we were all buying Games consoles here???

I guess i was wrong since the PS3/360 are not in competition with the wii :rolleyes:

Pull your heads out of your holes the lot of yous, and face facts, the 3 are games consoles, the PS3 and 360 are much more powerful than the Wii and more expensive but the bottom line is that the Wii is winning!

So if they are all game consoles then they are all in competition with each other whether sony, MS or any of you jackasses who are saying different like it or not reguardless of a consoles power.

[felixm477]

So you really think you could make a fair comparison between say a Ford Metro and a BMW Z4 M Roadster without being laughed at hysterically?

I love my wii but if I have to compare my Wii to my 360 the Wii is definately the Ford Metro with a spoiler and a set of spinners. Its great fun but its noticeably weaker than the other two but has a great controller. In the end its strength is going to lie totally in its exclusives. I guess Force Unleashed will be a good test to see if the fun factor can overcome the graphics factor for multiplatform titles but I expect if it works it will be the exception not the norm.

you can compare both those cars perfectly fine, the only reason to laugh histerically is because who would even bother to compare when the BMW is clearly the fastest and better car. as long as the 2 objects being compared have the same primary function a comparison can be made. both the BMW and Ford have 1 main purpose and thats to drive people where they want to go, 1 does that and only that, where as the other does that with more flare and luxury thrown on it. Sony just seems to think that just because they threw in a HD video player that it puts them in a league of their own therefore making the ps3 completely immune to any comparisons or negative feedback because its not like any of the competition. reminds me of when i was a kid and when i played pretend i always won because i had "super mega shields that protected me from anything".

[KingPepper]

Im sorry people, but i thought that we were all buying Games consoles here???

I guess i was wrong since the PS3/360 are not in competition with the wii :rolleyes:

Pull your heads out of your holes the lot of yous, and face facts, the 3 are games consoles, the PS3 and 360 are much more powerful than the Wii and more expensive but the bottom line is that the Wii is winning!

So if they are all game consoles then they are all in competition with each other whether sony, MS or any of you jackasses who are saying different like it or not reguardless of a consoles power.

Think of it this Way, Most People Can Only Afford One System at a Time, in my Case i Bought a XBOX360 Simply because it was Released First, and that was all i could Afford at the time, Now i Have Helped Microsoft in this case!!!
But in Doing So, i Have Taken away a Sale from the Other Two Companies, So they are in Competition with Each Other, Next i Will Buy a PS3 when Sony Finally Lower the Bloody Price, that will then have taken a Sale away from the Other Two again, as i could of Bought an Elite 360 or Nintendo WII, but i can't Afford to Buy Both or All Three at the Same Time, Resulting in a Three Way Competition for My Money...........Now is that Clear Enough.......:rolleyes:

[EliteStance]

you can compare both those cars perfectly fine, the only reason to laugh histerically is because who would even bother to compare when the BMW is clearly the fastest and better car. as long as the 2 objects being compared have the same primary function a comparison can be made. both the BMW and Ford have 1 main purpose and thats to drive people where they want to go, 1 does that and only that, where as the other does that with more flare and luxury thrown on it. Sony just seems to think that just because they threw in a HD video player that it puts them in a league of their own therefore making the ps3 completely immune to any comparisons or negative feedback because its not like any of the competition. reminds me of when i was a kid and when i played pretend i always won because i had "super mega shields that protected me from anything".

Unlike your "super mega shields" the additional tech and associated features of the PS3 vs the Wii aren't imaginery...

Of course you can compare them, just like you can compare a 4x4 off road car with a smart car - the point is mad phil accidently made a fairly accurate statement which is that the core audience for the two consoles is different right now, just like the target customer for a 4x4 vs a smart car.

The real competition currently is between the PS3 and 360 as their customer base is so similar right now. The Wii is selling very differently to non-gamers or parents of younger children and it appears there is little impact of Wii console on others from what I can discern. Folks who just want a Wii for its casual credentials and fun will buy it without even considering a 360 or a PS3 - hardcore gamers are mainly making a choice between PS3 and 360 while those gamers who want access to everything will buy all three.

So Sony should be much more worried about 360 sales than Wii right now - which is the fact dear phil seems to have stumbled upon, perhaps using the fancy algorithms that he now claims are allowing controllers to have rumble...

[*StoneCold*]

Think of it this Way, Most People Can Only Afford One System at a Time, in my Case i Bought a XBOX360 Simply because it was Released First, and that was all i could Afford at the time, Now i Have Helped Microsoft in this case!!!
But in Doing So, i Have Taken away a Sale from the Other Two Companies, So they are in Competition with Each Other, Next i Will Buy a PS3 when Sony Finally Lower the Bloody Price, that will then have taken a Sale away from the Other Two again, as i could of Bought an Elite 360 or Nintendo WII, but i can't Afford to Buy Both or All Three at the Same Time, Resulting in a Three Way Competition for My Money...........Now is that Clear Enough.......:rolleyes:

What the hell are you talking about?

Did you even read what i wrote before you spouted that crap?????

All's i said was that they are ALL game consoles so they are all in competition with each other but because Nintendo is winning then MS and sony would rather say they are not in competition with Nintendo because itsgot lower specs, what a load of crap tbh

[Cantenna]

I agree with this statement. Wii is a different type of system from PS3 & Xbox.

But a side not, Id like to see more out of my ps3, its nice. Guess im just a little disappointed with these Home delays and the constant rub in your face "were on hoime beta and your not bull!" In any event. When i see more Ill blow the dust of my PS3 and will play! I just sicerly hope that Sony one day decides to use the hardware I purchased for more then a ruber ducky moving with the six axis control! Anyways back to Metroid Prime 3, Yaa Hoo!