What do you think the controller will be like?

[Phille]

Yay a revolution board! Well then lets be on topic. :)

So what do guys think the controller will be?

I think it will be like a normal controller with gyro and some other neat stuff. :)

Can´t wait for this console! :p

[Zeus]

Yay a revolution board! Well then lets be on topic. :)

So what do guys think the controller will be?

I think it will be like a normal controller with gyro and some other neat stuff. :)

Can´t wait for this console! :p

One things for sure, it will be innovative as per usual and not just another bog standard design - afterall it is the revolution! :p

[Phille]

One things for sure, it will be innovative as per usual and not just another bog standard design - afterall it is the revolution! :p

Yeah but they said it will be able to play games with normal buttons so games like splinter cell will still work as on the other consoles, so it will have normal buttons.
I don´t think it will be a helmet or something like that like a lot of rumours are saying, but it would be cool! :)

Why can´t Nintendo just tell us what it is! :mad:

Yet I don´t really care what it is. All I needed to hear was Super smash bros online for free. :cool:

[smudgeone]

I think that nintendo will offer basic online play for free. I think that they will charge for downloading older games. Maybe voice chatting will be a subscription type deal. I read a rumor on tehskeen that said a prototype controller was a wavebird with xbox/ps type buttons instead of the gc buttons. The rumor also said that gyros were not in it (I think both hold no truth). Satoru Iwata will be speaking at the TGS in september, maybe he will lay down some real hard facts and information on the "Revolution".

[Phille]

I think that nintendo will offer basic online play for free. I think that they will charge for downloading older games. Maybe voice chatting will be a subscription type deal. I read a rumor on tehskeen that said a prototype controller was a wavebird with xbox/ps type buttons instead of the gc buttons. The rumor also said that gyros were not in it (I think both hold no truth). Satoru Iwata will be speaking at the TGS in september, maybe he will lay down some real hard facts and information on the "Revolution".


Yeah it´s confirmed that they will be charging for the downloads.

TGS is the 17 of september, right? Can´t wait! :)

[Social-Zero]

He will likely reveal more around the Xbox 360 launch near the end of the year and not in september

[jpxdude]

I think the controller is going to have a screen, with some kind of extra input on top with dual analogue controls for starters...

The input with probably allow for gameboy games to be played in some kind of way...

quite possibly, there would be some kind of touch sensitive pad incorporated somehow. It'll be something really different for sure! We all know that it's going to be something wireless for one thing ;)

[Social-Zero]

If it is a touch screen then they can take their revolution and stick it where the sun does not shine lol

[OuahOuah]

I hope it will be as good as n64, gamecube and dreamcast controllers :)
with the same system as the dreamcast : memory card in the controller :D and an equivalent of the WMU ;)

don't care about the gameboy.... don't have one :P

but as long as the controller will be fun and will be good in my hand (not like the "two potatoes like xbox controller") it's ok for me :)

[Phille]

I think the controller is going to have a screen, with some kind of extra input on top with dual analogue controls for starters...

The input with probably allow for gameboy games to be played in some kind of way...

quite possibly, there would be some kind of touch sensitive pad incorporated somehow. It'll be something really different for sure! We all know that it's going to be something wireless for one thing ;)


It won´t be a touch screen, they confirmed that a long time ago.
I think it would be to hard to play with a touch screen. :eek:

[jpxdude]

It won´t be a touch screen, they confirmed that a long time ago.
I think it would be to hard to play with a touch screen. :eek:

I was thinking more along the lines of using a touch pad as an analogue controller, kind of like Metroid on the Nintendo DS. I think that works pretty well.

[G-Pjube]

I was thinking more along the lines of using a touch pad as an analogue controller, kind of like Metroid on the Nintendo DS. I think that works pretty well.

No thank you :p

I'd rather play with a plain analog stick or the D-Pad then walking around/aiming/etc with a touch screen. The metroid hunters controls weren't bad, but they were far from enjoyable. It made me hurt my hands after 30 minutes of playing. The only ideal part of thouch screen would be the aiming.. you can be really precise with a touch screen wich was the greatest thing of Metroid hunters besides GFX and sounds.

Someone watched the pressconference of Nintendo at the E3? They showed this footage were evreyone thought it was revolution GFX. If you still think this, snap out of the dream, the software was running on a gamecube and Metroid Prime 3 has been announced as a Gamecube title. Nintendo said that the revolution would be 3 times more powerfull then the cube, and if you look at games as Metroid 3 and Resident Evil 4, Nintendo will be on the same level of GFX as Sony and Microsoft + they have all these neat feature's like free online play, download old games for a small fee and also, the controller that is still 1 of the biggest mysterie's ever.

Also i have heard that games from the N64 for example Mario Party can eventually be edited so it can be played Online via the Revolution. Not only will they be changed in such a way, but they are also planning on increasing gfx and such.

Nintendo sounds by far the most interesting of the 3 because of the new elements they are adding. If Nintendo is going to fail hard on it's controller, be aware i am NOT buying a next gen anymore. Why? Very simple, i think we all deserve something new then just graphical updates and more muli media features wich we aren't going to use.

I have typed a book by now :p But i still want to get this single thing out there, who all think it suks that Nintendo doesn't (again) include standard a DVD player out of the box? I think it is great, the console will be as cheap as possible, and if ppl really want it they can buy it. Great solution :)

Fin / Einde / End of book:p

[OuahOuah]

I think that it could be a new post but... "no dvd player" in the Revo is more linked to an "anti-piracy though" rather than an commercial tactic like "we'll sell it cheaper than M$ and Sony" ;)

In the other hand : in France cheapest DVD players are around 30 dollars... so it is very easy to buy one... why should we need another dvd player ? :P same as having an xbox + a PC ? :lol:

[nonzero]

Based on Nintendo's gyro use in the handheld arena I'd say that would be a definite (and if not as standard equipment then it might come as a VMU style plug in ala Dreamcast) and even though they have denied touchscreen I really think that the analogue stick will be replaced by a touchscreen....A touchscreen operated by thumb :D

Or then again, they may "revolutionize" the game and bring out something like a powerglove that actually works properly and doesn't cause your wrists to fall off as your on screen character bounces uncontrollably all over the place.

[Phille]

Whatever it will be it´s going to be new to gameing. Maybe it´s something we never seen before, ever.

[nonzero]

Well it can't be thought control because Sony have already patented that technology for games console use...

[chukz]

it's hard to think about how a controller can be revolutionary, but given nintendo's past record, their controllers have always lead the way. I think this one will feature some sort of customizable/macro-able feature which will practically allow you to change what the controller buttons are, depending on which type of game (or console) your trying to play. At E3 Reggie stated something about the Revolution being able to play a lot of games of different consoles. Each console's controllers were different, and they would require a way to be able to conform to those controllers again, using 1 new controller...so maybe 1 solid design, but re-arrangeable buttons to conform to people's hands, or how they think they should best play the game...

BUT...here is the bad news about putting so much effort into a controller...
(rant: Start)
For recent example the N64 controller was the first ever to use an analog stick for 3D movement, and have a rumble-pack for vibration...But...shortly after, Sony came along and added dual shock controllers, which had 2 analog sticks and the same rumbling feature, without the cost of a Rumble Pak.

Then with the GameCube, they designed a controller that fit very well into the hands of players and still allowed easy access to all the buttons. And according to recent diagrams of the Xbox 360 controller, it looks to be the same as the current GameCube controller (in terms of where the analog sticks are, and where the buttons are).

What I'm trying to say is no matter how awesome the feature is on the controller, it has been easily copied by other companies...what makes this controller so different? I'm sure if any company wanted they can recreate exactly what Nintendo has planned for this controller...then what you have left is all this money for the idea gone, and some developers angry because instead of worrying about HDTV or more power under the hood, the big N was busy hiding this new controller that it forgot about the evolving technology and some angry developers...
(rant: End)

[Phille]

it's hard to think about how a controller can be revolutionary, but given nintendo's past record, their controllers have always lead the way. I think this one will feature some sort of customizable/macro-able feature which will practically allow you to change what the controller buttons are, depending on which type of game (or console) your trying to play. At E3 Reggie stated something about the Revolution being able to play a lot of games of different consoles. Each console's controllers were different, and they would require a way to be able to conform to those controllers again, using 1 new controller...so maybe 1 solid design, but re-arrangeable buttons to conform to people's hands, or how they think they should best play the game...

That actually sounds really possible. That would be really cool, but it can´t be the only thing thats revolutionary. But if it is then this hype would make people really dissapointed. :(

Ah it will turn out good, who knows Nintendo might win this console war. :)

[nonzero]

who knows Nintendo might win this console war. :)

I remeber reading an interview with Hideo Kojima (if memory serves correctly) and he spouted an interesting metaphor about the next gen machines...It went something along the lines of:

The PS3 is like a special meal that you only eat once or twice a year, in comparison the Xbox 360 is like going to a resteraunt once a month...The Revolution however is that great home cooked meal that you enjoy every day and never get tired of.


Personally I hope that Nintendo win the next gen war otherwise I can see them taking the same route as Sega...It's a shame that the majority of the public will happily buy rehashed games with an extra number tacked onto the end (MGS4, GT5, Splinter Cell 4 etc...) instead of enjoying the diversity provided by devs who think outside of the box...

Then again, the public aren't fully to blame in the Gamecube's case as Nintendo really fucked it up by aiming the majority of the software catalog at kids - don't they realize that kids love sex and violence more than "grown folks" do?

The emulation downloads (whereby you can play NES, SNES and N64 games on your Revolution) feature is a genius move though which is sure to attract a lot more people. Taking the Gamecube compatibility into account as well you will be getting 5 Nintendo consoles for your money :cool:

Which leads us back to the controller - consider the differences between the NES, SNES, 64 and Cube controllers, the Revolution is going to need something that comfortably crams all of the features from these diverse controllers...Who knows, maybe they will create a controller with snap in modules so you can chop and change your controller depending on its application...

[Phille]

The PS3 is like a special meal that you only eat once or twice a year, in comparison the Xbox 360 is like going to a resteraunt once a month...The Revolution however is that great home cooked meal that you enjoy every day and never get tired of.

Sounds good. :)



Then again, the public aren't fully to blame in the Gamecube's case as Nintendo really fucked it up by aiming the majority of the software catalog at kids - don't they realize that kids love sex and violence more than "grown folks" do?

Yeah I agree, whats so damn mature about ripping heads off and takeing baths in blood... It´s more mature to accept a game becuse it´s fun even if it´s looking very cartoony and it´s not full of blood.



The emulation downloads (whereby you can play NES, SNES and N64 games on your Revolution) feature is a genius move though which is sure to attract a lot more people. Taking the Gamecube compatibility into account as well you will be getting 5 Nintendo consoles for your money :cool:

Agrees. It will probably attract many "old school gamers" :p

[chukz]

yeah i think everyone will love that idea of being able to play classic NES/SNES/N64 games on the revolution.
some of the best games started off on those consoles.
my question is where will the revolution store these downloaded games?
have nintendo made any mention of a hard drive?
one more thing i may have uncovered about the Rev. controller...it might have either a slot to put in memory cards, OR have memory built into it so you save directly onto the controller and make it easy to transport.
the other thing is I believe the REv. controller will have some buttons that you can physically customize so they fit people's hands better, and make it so you can play the game exactly as you think is the best way.

[Phille]

my question is where will the revolution store these downloaded games?
have nintendo made any mention of a hard drive?


It will be stored in the 512MB internal memory, and IIRC if it gets full you can store it in SD cards.

[nonzero]

“there are too many buttons and sticks on controllers for novice players, which is likely to discourage them from ever playing games at all”.

Oh dear, just when it was all sounding so good as well....Nintendo aim at the kids/elderly again...

Still - this adds credibility to the whole gyroscopic controller rumour....And if that is true then Nintendo will be alienating all those people who have Parkinsons (and other motor/neurone diseases) from joining the Revolution.

[Phille]

Oh dear, just when it was all sounding so good as well....Nintendo aim at the kids/elderly again...

Still - this adds credibility to the whole gyroscopic controller rumour....And if that is true then Nintendo will be alienating all those people who have Parkinsons (and other motor/neurone diseases) from joining the Revolution.

When he said that he was probably giving a hint. All we can do is wait and see what nintendo is planning.

[plan-9]

well we can expect fewer buttons and analog sticks. it will feature maybe 2-4 buttons on the front. left and right triggers on the top. and only 1 analog stick. no d pad. nintendo usually uses the second analog stick to control camera movements. say you will control the camera by moving the pad in the direction you want. so if you wanted to move the camera angle to the left you tilt the controller to the left. someone on another forum..i forget which one said this. sounds like something that could happen.

and nonzero..nintendo isnt going after the kid market. its going after the non gamer market. i have seen first hand people who used to play games back in the nes days who wont even attempt to play a new game just because they look at the controller and see all the buttons and have said it would be too hard. supposively the gaming market is really shrinking in japan. nintendo has stated this over and over..so have quite a few other companies. nintendo wants to rejuvenate this market. btw..i question if it really is shrinking..look at console sales numbers from there..theyre quite impressive. but still quite a few companies say it is indeed shrinking dramatically. of course here in north america its booming. personally i want nintendo to go on a different route then sony and ms. why should nintendo just do the same **** the other 2 companies are doing? it doesnt make sense for them and it doesnt make sense for us gamers. people should be very happy that a company is doing this...who knows..this revolution could change gaming for the better. of course it also could just turn out to be somewhat of a gimmick and not change anything at all.

[chukz]

well the most analog sticks anyone has seen on a controller would be 2...and usually the right handed analog stick is for camera control. And I think when he says too much buttons, he must be talking about the Xbox or PS2 controller that has L1/L2/L3/R1/R2/R3/Start/Select/X/O/Triangle/Square/D-Pad...and Xbox has the L1/L2/R1/R2/Black/White/Start/Back/A/B/X/Y/D-pad...that can get confusing considering most games dont' even use all those buttons, and some of them are hidden kind of (L3/R3 on PS2 is clicking in the analog stick, and L2/R2 on Xbox is clicking in the analog sticks too). The NGC controller has only L/R/Z/A/B/X/Y/Start/D-pad for buttons, so compared to the Xbox and PS2 controllers it already is less confusing or intimidating to the novice video-gamer.

I think Saturo Iwata was poking fun of the other console's controllers more than he was hinting about what the next Nintendo controller will be like.

It would be interesting to see that:

plan-9 posted: "say you will control the camera by moving the pad in the direction you want. so if you wanted to move the camera angle to the left you tilt the controller to the left. someone on another forum..i forget which one said this. sounds like something that could happen."
I really could see something like this happening (Tilt-Pak deja vu?) but built into the controller...would eliminate the need of that other analog stick that people barely use and make for a simpler controller

What else would be interesting is having button layouts...like have the same number of analog sticks and buttons as the NGC has now, but some buttons can be physically moved/disabled to arrange to what people thought would be the best way to control the game. Also players can disable some buttons to make the game simpler. (For example if a player wants to use only the D-Pad and a few buttons, which is perfect for some games, then they can do that easily). Also if the controller layout changed the game mode... like if your playing with 1 analog stick and a few buttons, the game mode would be easy and some of the advanced moves/abilities would not be required. This would make games simpler and controller layout simple...then the advanced players could enable all the buttons and get full control of all that is going on in the game...

this last idea seems way out there... and i'm sure it will never happen...but it could...and if it did, it sure would be different...

[sherbet012]

it 'might' have LCD on it, since many strong sources are saying..

but i'm guessing that it also will feature the 'touch sensitive surface'.

you don't just press it, but you can rub it, slide it, or whatever..

i'm also guessing the gyro-kinda-rumble.. not just a rumble, but rumble that can push harder to the controller in certain directions..? like racing wheels with force feedback..

yes... they 'might' have it.. :rolleyes:

[smudgeone]

Nintendo has said over and over that they do not plan on putting a touch screen in the revolution controller. Who would want to pay upwards of $80 for a freaking touchscreen controller. (And yes i have a DS).

But i would love to see some sort of directional rumble (would be awesomeness). I think chukz is right about the amout of buttons. The gamecube controller was nintendo at its best, and its going to be hard to top it.

[sherbet012]

Nintendo has said over and over that they do not plan on putting a touch screen in the revolution controller. Who would want to pay upwards of $80 for a freaking touchscreen controller. (And yes i have a DS).

oh really? i didn't heard anything about Nintendo 'denying' it.. and those small 'tablets' with USB interface only cost about $40, and if Nintendo can massively manufacture it, it might cost less..

but come to think of it, yeah you're right.. if touchable controller cost $80, i would skip it too.. hehe.. :)

i also heard that there will be 3rd devices instead of just 2, unit + controller.. what would that 3rd leg will be, eh?

[nonzero]

Whatever Nintendo crank out it had better be something special <hopes they make that hat type controller from the fake Nintendo ON video - remembers the Virtual Boy and hopes one doesn't have seizures and neck spams this time round>...I'm going to pick up the Revolution anyway as Nintendo never dissapoint when it comes to games and I can't wait to play the game that Mario Sunshine was supposed to be...

[smudgeone]

I guess i just exagerated on nintendo saying that the wouldnt put a touchscreen in. There was an interview on ign where a nintendo representative said they had no plans on making a touchscreen controler like the ds. And i was thinking $80 CDN, or around $65-$75 USD, so it would still be a significant investment. The usb tablets dont have a lithium battery or wifi transmitter in them either, so the price would still be pretty high.

Considering how popular the DS has become, i think that it could be hooking up to the revolution like the gba this generation. I would love to have it as the 3rd connection.

[ToolPunk]

Ok. Forget what everyone else has said and follow me. Keep these things in mind though. When things are mass produced they can sell for cheaper. Game companies lose money on the system, they make thier money in accessories and games. You can play Nintendo games with a Gameboy Color, you can play Super Nintendo games with a Gameboy Advance, you can play N64 games with the Nintendo DS and Gamecube. The newer nintendo handhelds have gyro ability. The gameboy advance had conectivity. The Revolution has a side panel where 4 Gamecube controllers can be plugged in if you don't want the more expensive new controller......................WIFI! Your walking down the sidewalk destroying everything in site on your new handheld. You walk in through your door sit down hit the Revolution button on you handheld and your Revolution kicks on. It still has that brand new shooter in the drive. It loads up and you realize that you are still stuck in that freaky dark city and you don't know where to go. One of the freaks invites you into thier house, you accept I don't know why. You notice a map on the table and you pick it up. Your LCD screen on your handheld (or controller if you haven't figured that out and there is your LCD) kicks on, it is a map of the city. You navigate your way to a save point, save and then the phone rings. It's your friend he just picked up that new fighting game. You hit the Revolution button on you handheld, the Revolution shuts off. You pop a game in you handheld and hit the sidewalk. You walk into you friends house hit start on you handheld and his TV says Player 2 has joined. A game console controller and handheld game console in one. It makes conectivity reachable without the wires. Your console and handheld comunicate with each other to display hints, maps, access your items, options menu right on the LCD. Play a 2 player vs shooter, set in the jungle, use your LCD as a set of infrared goggles to find your friend hiding in the tree. Or take it out the door and play games on the go or trade game saves anywhere at anytime. The new revolutionary controller....Gameboy 3. Don't shoot me down it is just an idea.

[chukz]

ToolPunk that idea is extremely bizarre, incredible and unbelievable...

...that's why I think it's such a good idea!

hehe in all honesty I think what ToolPunk described can be the next controller.
Although it would make for an expensive controller, it does explain a few things...for example Nintendo always said they want a system sequel to the GameBoy line (GameBoy, GameBoy Color, GameBoy Advance, GameBoy Revolution?). Also, this GameBoy Micro shows just how small they can make a normal GameBoy, and perhaps the next handheld from Nintendo is the size of a wavebird now.
This does make a lot of sense though, the more you think of it.

My other ideas of the controller were to physically being able to change the controller and that changes the level of difficulty of the game, or to change the buttons so you control the game the way it feels best to control it with. It seems less reasonable now that this idea is in my mind...

what do you guys think?

[G-Pjube]

Ok. Forget what everyone else has said and follow me. Keep these things in mind though. When things are mass produced they can sell for cheaper. Game companies lose money on the system, they make thier money in accessories and games. You can play Nintendo games with a Gameboy Color, you can play Super Nintendo games with a Gameboy Advance, you can play N64 games with the Nintendo DS and Gamecube. The newer nintendo handhelds have gyro ability. The gameboy advance had conectivity. The Revolution has a side panel where 4 Gamecube controllers can be plugged in if you don't want the more expensive new controller......................WIFI! Your walking down the sidewalk destroying everything in site on your new handheld. You walk in through your door sit down hit the Revolution button on you handheld and your Revolution kicks on. It still has that brand new shooter in the drive. It loads up and you realize that you are still stuck in that freaky dark city and you don't know where to go. One of the freaks invites you into thier house, you accept I don't know why. You notice a map on the table and you pick it up. Your LCD screen on your handheld (or controller if you haven't figured that out and there is your LCD) kicks on, it is a map of the city. You navigate your way to a save point, save and then the phone rings. It's your friend he just picked up that new fighting game. You hit the Revolution button on you handheld, the Revolution shuts off. You pop a game in you handheld and hit the sidewalk. You walk into you friends house hit start on you handheld and his TV says Player 2 has joined. A game console controller and handheld game console in one. It makes conectivity reachable without the wires. Your console and handheld comunicate with each other to display hints, maps, access your items, options menu right on the LCD. Play a 2 player vs shooter, set in the jungle, use your LCD as a set of infrared goggles to find your friend hiding in the tree. Or take it out the door and play games on the go or trade game saves anywhere at anytime. The new revolutionary controller....Gameboy 3. Don't shoot me down it is just an idea.

You have discusting idea's man
:confused:

[ToolPunk]

What is so "Bizzare" and "Disgusting" about my idea. I just sat back and looked at the whole big picture and this is the idea I came up with. You can already use the Gameboy Advance as a secondary controller for the Gamecube and Nintendo is realy into conectivity. With WIFI there is no telling what they could do. I think it is a great idea. Why not throw in the idea of tranfering the Retros you download onto your GB3 controller and playing them on the go?? Hey sounds good.