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DC RID3R
05-13-2007, 01:09 PM
In an interesting article, a PS3 owner asks the question, "Has the PS3 lived up to your expectations? There's absolutely no denying the machine's clout when it comes to power, but with it's pretty steep price tag, lack of new titles (although that situation shall change in the next few months), and competiton from the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii, is the PS3 proving it's worth?

News Source: http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/05/10/has-the-ps3-lived-up-to-your-expectations/

Aeond
05-13-2007, 01:15 PM
I am planning to buy one at the end of 2007 or beginning of 2008. Hope more games are released by then and it won't disappoint me which I don't believe.

blade47167
05-13-2007, 01:16 PM
I enjoy mine for the most part although not having alot of games to play kinda sucks. But I enjoy the ability to use linux & I use my ps3 as my school computer/game system so it saves alot of space on my desk in my dorm. PS3 coupled with a 22" monitor equals both computer, gaming system, & hi-def dvd player all in one small package if you consider it a computer. And the games aren't all as grim as people try to make it. Motorstorm is tons of fun, and i spend my free time messing on oblivion although i've mostly beat everything on it. Recently bought spiderman 3 tho an that was sort of a disappointment. The graphics were kinda bleh and you still don't get the feeling that you are spiderman because your either getting your ass handed to you or spiderman is flying all over the place fighting and you can't see whats going on plus still getting your ass handed to you unless you button mash. There is alot going on tho so its defiantly worth a rent. All and all tho I'm happy with my purchase. I also bought a Wii and after beating Zelda theres nothing worth playing besides Wii sports. Thats why I don't understand what everyones raving about. Its innovative I guess but not alot for it. I didn't buy it to cook food on cooking mama. I am trying to get ahold of Super Paper Mario tho so maybe that will help.

XxBigP123xX
05-13-2007, 01:19 PM
im happy with mine also guys send me a friend request:p

pal
05-13-2007, 01:25 PM
I like it a lot, just not very many good games. Tend to fire mine up for blu-ray films mostly.

kcvfr400
05-13-2007, 01:59 PM
Well since my expectations are low at this point as early titles were always going to be few and far between and online content too, I would say it has met my expectations as motorstorm has been far more enjoyable than I expected and I have picked up 3 games for less than £20 each brand new. And downloadable games have been great for my kids especially super rub a dub and easy to buy without any messing about buying points cards or needing a credit card either. And the best thing has to be the xmb that is perfect for someone used to playing on a psp and better than the other machines menus for me personally. And all the fuss about the controller I have to say I like no rumble as not used it for years on ps2 because I had wirelss controller and wanted to save batteries and like the new triggers that are an improvement on previous buttons and also find the tilt controls work well on certain games. But I have always found the ps controller shape and layout perfect for my hands so that is a personal preference.

KainXS
05-13-2007, 02:26 PM
it has for me, i'm glad i bought one
now that my 360 is dead and i have to switch the board i have had more time and finnally got a chance to install linux and use the psp connectivity

daps83777
05-13-2007, 02:44 PM
no, there would need to be good games and it would need to cost no more than $400.

SuperDinoYoshi
05-13-2007, 02:48 PM
its completley lived up to my expectations, those being that i wont need to buy one because it doesn't have anything to justify its price for me.

MadonnaProject
05-13-2007, 02:52 PM
it ABSOLUTELY hasnt....

calvin940
05-13-2007, 02:56 PM
Since it also a Blu-ray player, it has lived up to my expectation, but as a gaming console, there aren't enough titles yet. However, with Lair, R&C, and others coming out soon, I expect it to live up to expectations quite nicely.

I wasn't able to say that the 360 lived up to expectations until almost a year after it's release (Gears of War came out), so I am giving PS3 the same benefit.

Calvin

daps83777
05-13-2007, 03:01 PM
Since it also a Blu-ray player, it has lived up to my expectation, but as a gaming console, there aren't enough titles yet. However, with Lair, R&C, and others coming out soon, I expect it to live up to expectations quite nicely.

I wasn't able to say that the 360 lived up to expectations until almost a year after it's release (Gears of War came out), so I am giving PS3 the same benefit.

Calvin

i love how new franchises get peoples hopes so high, same thing happened with the 360, a bunch of hyped games that where dissapointing, like Enchanted arms for instance, hyped, but major disspointment.

Lair's concept seems cool but no one knows how good it will be as a full complete game. so banking on new franchises could pan out, but thinking they will all be amazing is definately wishful thinking.

and for people that don't watch that many movies blu-ray is just something that added $200 minimum to a game console. so to alot of people you have to pay for $200 extra for something you want nothing to do with.

SteveNZ
05-13-2007, 03:24 PM
I've no interest in paying the stupid prices for Blu-Ray movies when DVDs are just fine for the most part, so the Blu-Ray drive is a bit of a non-item for me. Plus the fact that there still isn't a single game I'm interested in (finished Resistance and MotorStorm, neither of them were particularly memorable). No sound or Wifi support in Ubuntu Linux (and I'd rather not use YDL). So far, I'm not too impressed. I'm quite looking forward to Lair assuming it's any good, other than that there's nothing coming up that I can think of that looks terribly promising. Heavenly sword might be ok, but I've already got God of War 2...

spaga
05-13-2007, 04:04 PM
and for people that don't watch that many movies blu-ray is just something that added $200 minimum to a game console. so to alot of people you have to pay for $200 extra for something you want nothing to do with.

that's a silly thing to say considering the games are in blu-ray format. you could maybe say that if they were releasing games on DVD and we still had the blu-ray to play.

developers were filling up dvd's on the ps2, it's only a matter of time before we start seeing incredibly huge uncompressed games. i guess if you play your games without a decent entertainment setup (i.e. hdtv, receiver, surround sound, ect..) you shouldn't see the need for it.

"There's no question that you can always cut more levels, compress the audio more, compress the textures more, down-res the mpeg movies, and eventually get any game to fit on a DVD. But you paid for a high-def experience, right? You want the highest resolution, best audio, most cinematic experience a developer can offer, right? That's why Blu-Ray is important for games, and why it will become more important each year of this hardware cycle"

seann33uk
05-13-2007, 04:42 PM
ITS CRAP. A big black box with enough power to run 50 houses of lights. a shape, which to some is sexy, more big black and bulkier then xbox1.
very few games and only 1 or 2 exclusive games, most you can get on 360.
Sure is got blue-ray, but its only good if you have a large HD screen and £30 a pop for something you can get for £15.
And the graphics, phegh, the 360 can live up to that:D
want something fun and black, get a labrador. or a 360 and wii.;)

crono
05-13-2007, 04:52 PM
The ps3 has not lived up to my expactations at all,not that i tough it would,but i woulnd't tought it would disapoint me that mutch,but imagen this,just play gears of war,and then you go play resistance on your new ps3.

Well........................................your disapointed you just paid 660 euro for just that!!!!!

Also the ps1 and 2 games looks like crap,xbox360 is doing a better job at emulation and upscaling the games(and dvd's),but just lets hope there will be a update for ps3 that wil fix that.

Now i am just waiting for the good games on ps3,and the ps3 sleeps asound.

izz
05-13-2007, 04:53 PM
ps3 hasn't lived up to my expectation.. :( i bought a ps3 w/ resistance before the euro launch hoping to use the iso loader, but the loader is still mia. oh well, i've finished resistance and boxed my ps3 already. although i do occasionally showcase my ps3 to my friends.. :D so until the loader is released, my ps3 will be used solely for bragging purposes..

kcvfr400
05-13-2007, 05:33 PM
ITS CRAP. A big black box with enough power to run 50 houses of lights. a shape, which to some is sexy, more big black and bulkier then xbox1.
very few games and only 1 or 2 exclusive games, most you can get on 360.
Sure is got blue-ray, but its only good if you have a large HD screen and £30 a pop for something you can get for £15.
And the graphics, phegh, the 360 can live up to that:D
want something fun and black, get a labrador. or a 360 and wii.;)

I take it you don't have a ps3 by your rant and if so why are you repsonding to this thread that is asking us owners opinion. And by the way blu ray looks fantastic on 32" or 27" lcd hdtv's aswell as the big screens and £30 for a film where the hell do you buy yours as online they are generally only £12-£20 where I get mine from in the U.K. The 360 games line up is not thrilling for me (and yes I own one and am looking forward to too human) and was pathetic for the first year so don't be quick to judge a machine that has barely been around 6months and less than 2 months in Europe.

stop_loading
05-13-2007, 06:13 PM
how is this news? just a fanboy defending his purchase

atm, the only logical reason to buy ps3 is for the blu ray player, the games are decent, but outshine by x360

although it has better games than wii games so far

daps83777
05-13-2007, 06:57 PM
that's a silly thing to say considering the games are in blu-ray format. you could maybe say that if they were releasing games on DVD and we still had the blu-ray to play.

developers were filling up dvd's on the ps2, it's only a matter of time before we start seeing incredibly huge uncompressed games. i guess if you play your games without a decent entertainment setup (i.e. hdtv, receiver, surround sound, ect..) you shouldn't see the need for it.

"There's no question that you can always cut more levels, compress the audio more, compress the textures more, down-res the mpeg movies, and eventually get any game to fit on a DVD. But you paid for a high-def experience, right? You want the highest resolution, best audio, most cinematic experience a developer can offer, right? That's why Blu-Ray is important for games, and why it will become more important each year of this hardware cycle"

uncompressesed usually takes longer to read, one of the reasons blu-ray is slower than dvd.

the reason people ran out of room is alot of times a console only problem. i can't think of hardly any pc games that have multi dvd games if any. blu-ray wasn't put into the PS3 for games, but to push the movie format.

and even if some games take multiple dvd's its still way cheaper than a blu-ray disk, but i guess all gamers are getting to lazy and fat to get out of there chair and change discs out. i remember floppy games for pc that took tons of discs remember one at least that took something like 14, so 2 or 3 seems like nothing. 1080p only seems noticeable if your hdtv thats over 50 inches. most gamers aren't audiophiles that have decked out audio receivers and speakers, though if you want a good cheap speaker you should check out the x-ls on av123 and the new onkyo TX-SR605 for a receiver. still for a 2.0 setup will run you a little over $700 for a decent sonic experience.

Calidrifter
05-13-2007, 07:32 PM
So far it has. My comp went shitty about 3 months ago so I have been using my ps3 as my internet browser as well as a game system. Not exactly the best selection of games right now. I do love resistance... motor storm is fun to play with my son who loves cars and bikes. other then that I don't own anything else. I do plan on buying several more games in the near future.

Hevyduty
05-13-2007, 08:11 PM
The PS3 has not met my expectations. I expected the system to be completely hacked by now, and since it hasn't been, I'm pretty disappointed in it.

grd94533
05-13-2007, 08:42 PM
I think the PS3 more than met my expectations. The 360 did as well. Both systems are well worth the money. But I have a 65" RCA that puts out 1080i but not 720P and Sony seams to be stuck on 720P so I'm not getting my moneys worth as far as the games are concerned. As far as blu-ray and hd dvd, I can't really see any difference in quality compared to dvd. They look the same to me. Maybe 1080P makes a lot of difference but I don’t know. And not wanting a PS3 just because you can't hack it is no excuse not to get one. If you’re too cheap and dishonest to buy the games then you have no business owning one!

kneehighspy
05-13-2007, 08:44 PM
no it hasn't lived up to my expectations either. i was really looking forward to R:FOM, the pics in magazines made me want one, then i saw the game play footage and even though it looked o.k, i still wanted to play it.

now after almost 6 months of owning it and only purchasing 4 games for it that i don't already have on my 360, it's not at all been a worthwhile purchase. i have one blu-ray movie, and that came with it, i don't intend on purchasing HD movies, as many have said, standard def movies are good enough for me, and i download and watch hd movies through my 360 and media player.

but i do use my ps3 for all my dvd viewing, the picture quality playback is just outstanding on the ps3 compared to my 360, but far as gaming goes, the 360 and wii get more time, but the wii is not that far ahead of my ps3 in usage.

but now that I've ordered me a new kinroad srs 250cc go kart, most of my time will be outside running up and down the hills and not inside gaming this summer.

spaga
05-13-2007, 09:03 PM
the new onkyo TX-SR605 for a receiver.

this new line looks very promising, i'm looking into the 805. you have the 605? how do you like it?

i'm happy with my ps3, happy with blu-ray, and feel like it was a good purchase. i am hardly a hard-core gamer though.

blade47167
05-13-2007, 09:44 PM
uncompressesed usually takes longer to read, one of the reasons blu-ray is slower than dvd.

the reason people ran out of room is alot of times a console only problem. i can't think of hardly any pc games that have multi dvd games if any. blu-ray wasn't put into the PS3 for games, but to push the movie format.

and even if some games take multiple dvd's its still way cheaper than a blu-ray disk, but i guess all gamers are getting to lazy and fat to get out of there chair and change discs out. i remember floppy games for pc that took tons of discs remember one at least that took something like 14, so 2 or 3 seems like nothing. 1080p only seems noticeable if your hdtv thats over 50 inches. most gamers aren't audiophiles that have decked out audio receivers and speakers, though if you want a good cheap speaker you should check out the x-ls on av123 and the new onkyo TX-SR605 for a receiver. still for a 2.0 setup will run you a little over $700 for a decent sonic experience.

You do realize PC games install 4GB+ data that is extremely compressed on the DVD don't you? Also if its so much cheaper to put on DVD disk than blu-ray why do you still pay $60 for your 360 games? And yes compressed data can be better for loading games but not as compressed as it will need to eventually get. You can only compress so far and even then its not lossless. It would be inefficient to send uncompressed data from the blu-ray. The thing people are complaining about is the transfer rates from the blu-ray. Then people don't realize that if your reading from a Double-layer DVD-9 the speed is almost identical to a blu-ray. The 12x is only for Single Layer disks. Its around 8x burst for Double layer. Were the Blu-ray stays at 2x throughout the entire read which allows for very efficient streaming. Things will get better and hopefully in house First Party games force developers like UBisoft to get off their lazy asses. Hopefully rockstar goes ahead and optimizes GTA for the PS3 just to show what is capable. Playstation has always been its roots and hopefully they do things right.

thelairster
05-13-2007, 10:21 PM
The "blu ray media means better games" spiel is such bull. Its an unnecessary medium for 90 percent of games. It reads slower than dvd so if they were actually using 3 times as much data games would load much slower. It's also more expensive to manufacture. Seriously If a developer does his compression homework properly, dvd9 would suffice. It stops piracy. thats it. What ever happened to the 2 disc game. Surely if you make an epic you could just slap it on 2 dvds? enough said.

stop_loading
05-13-2007, 10:43 PM
uncompressesed usually takes longer to read, one of the reasons blu-ray is slower than dvd.



wrong, compressed textures are being uncompressed before they get displayed,

furthermore, blu ray drive and dvd on x360 reads on the SAME speed, unless the dvd is single layer, then it'll read faster than BR drive, but every game out there are dual layered

SSChevy2001
05-13-2007, 10:56 PM
wrong, compressed textures are being uncompressed before they get displayed,

furthermore, blu ray drive and dvd on x360 reads on the SAME speed, unless the dvd is single layer, then it'll read faster than BR drive, but every game out there are dual layeredYour wrong, compressed data is smaller on the disc so reading the info is much faster. The uncompressing doesn't take anytime cause it goes right to memory which is extremely fast. The slowest part is reading the info from the disc not once it's in memory. Remember the slow parts of these consoles are the optical drives.


The "blu ray media means better games" spiel is such bull. Its an unnecessary medium for 90 percent of games. It reads slower than dvd so if they were actually using 3 times as much data games would load much slower. It's also more expensive to manufacture. Seriously If a developer does his compression homework properly, dvd9 would suffice. It stops piracy. thats it. What ever happened to the 2 disc game. Surely if you make an epic you could just slap it on 2 dvds? enough said.So far Blu-ray is BS for gaming. It gives developers more space to waste for FMV, which defeats the purpose of having these consoles. So far the only 360 game that has multiple discs Blue Dragon, and it a shining example of how FMV waste space. I'm really interested to see how MGS4 uses 50GB cause MGS3 was only 4.28GB and MGS didn't use FMV.

stop_loading
05-13-2007, 11:00 PM
Your wrong, compressed data is small on the disc so reading the info is much faster. The uncompressing doesn't take anytime cause it goes from cpu right to memory which is extremely fast. The slowest part is reading the info from the disc not once it's in memory.

wrong it takes time for the memory to uncompress the data, the cpu is working twice, loading the data to the memory, uncompressing the data then display it on screen, that's why when you install games on pc the data are all uncompressed

SSChevy2001
05-13-2007, 11:16 PM
wrong it takes time for the memory to uncompress the data, the cpu is working twice, loading the data to the memory, uncompressing the data then display it on screen, that's why when you install games on pc the data are all uncompressedCPU time is nothing compared to reading that data uncompressed. PC load games to the hard drive for many reasons, not to get into that.

I have a simple test you can try, I know it works

Take a drive and clone it to a image which is compressed, then restore that image.

Take the same drive and clone it to a image which is not compressed, and restore that image.

The image that was compressed will restore faster.

Compression has it's advantages if used correctly. Sony should consider using it as it does help, instead Sony feels that right now it's better to prove that Blu-ray is needed so compression isn't used. Go figure anything to sell a new format, to bad most people aren't giving up DVD anytime soon.

daps83777
05-13-2007, 11:28 PM
wrong it takes time for the memory to uncompress the data, the cpu is working twice, loading the data to the memory, uncompressing the data then display it on screen, that's why when you install games on pc the data are all uncompressed


some PS3 games have had to put repeat data on the discs because blu-ray isn't fast enough. oblivion was one such game.


this new line looks very promising, i'm looking into the 805. you have the 605? how do you like it?

i'm happy with my ps3, happy with blu-ray, and feel like it was a good purchase. i am hardly a hard-core gamer though.

i don't have the 605 but its what i plan on getting. it seems to have almost every practical feature of the more expensive ones, but at only a $500 price tag. seems like the best bang for buck and it supports hdmi 1.3 and everything i believe, it looks really sweet.

spaga
05-13-2007, 11:45 PM
yea, and a great DAC taboot. i don't see anyone else that can compete or is even trying with this kind of quality/budget. it looks like an incredible all-around receiver which is great because i listen to more music than watch.

Colmino
05-14-2007, 04:37 AM
"Prove it's worth?" Die, apostrophe. Die.

I bought my Bluray player because I knew in advance that Casino Royale had been given a proper encode, unlike 95% of all Bluray movies out there. Anyone whose feet are on the ground can tell that the power "clout", as the original poster put it, simply isn't there. Anyway, owning both systems means that when White Knight Story arrives, assuming it maintains its exclusivity (I'm not going to wager one way or the other), I'll be ready. Meanwhile I'll be playing about two dozen other games of similar quality. Having both consoles also technically means I have the option of buying either version of a multiplatform game, but the harsh reality is that there hasn't been a reason yet to choose the PS3's iterations.

Anyway, my answer is that I knew what to expect and my expectations haven't been disappointed or exceeded.

Xenogears V
05-14-2007, 05:34 AM
To possess the more powerful console at the moment. It cannot disappoint!.

Gorbachev
05-14-2007, 12:19 PM
I've had the wii since launch and it's been gathering dust after i finished the very disappointing new zelda game.

I've played like crazy on the PS3 and the launch games (in europe) at least have been very solid. I'm now on my third round through on Resistance and Motor Storm is the most fun racing game ever, period.

daps83777
05-14-2007, 12:35 PM
I've had the wii since launch and it's been gathering dust after i finished the very disappointing new zelda game.

I've played like crazy on the PS3 and the launch games (in europe) at least have been very solid. I'm now on my third round through on Resistance and Motor Storm is the most fun racing game ever, period.

then you must have not played very many good games, period. resistence is a mediocre fps at best especially if you compare it to those on the pc. motorstorm has hardly any content, and its not great in general, it feels more like a demo than a full game. i can list tons of racers that are a hundred times better. they might lack all the supposed next gen eye candy, but eye candy is for graphic whores that like games that lack good gameplay.

Colmino
05-14-2007, 09:37 PM
then you must have not played very many good games, period. resistence is a mediocre fps at best especially if you compare it to those on the pc. motorstorm has hardly any content, and its not great in general, it feels more like a demo than a full game. i can list tons of racers that are a hundred times better. they might lack all the supposed next gen eye candy, but eye candy is for graphic whores that like games that lack good gameplay.I was going to say that giving Motorstorm so many props seemed a little blind. RR6/7 and the entire Burnout series were all more fun. Motorstorm's 30fps are not adequate for the kind of game it tries to be (a dirty Burnout). Screenshots don't look that hot when viewed in full resolution, because low-detail bitmaps crop up. Plus, on a more aesthetic level, the background music you hear in the demo must have been constructed with the intent of simultaneously assailing the psyche of any sane individual and gouging their eardrums out with the sonic equivalent of a power drill.

grd94533
05-14-2007, 10:31 PM
wrong it takes time for the memory to uncompress the data, the cpu is working twice, loading the data to the memory, uncompressing the data then display it on screen, that's why when you install games on pc the data are all uncompressed
Thank you. I couldn't have said it any better. Why the hell would anyone think that compressed files reads faster than uncompressed files? That is just retarded!!

daps83777
05-15-2007, 12:14 PM
Thank you. I couldn't have said it any better. Why the hell would anyone think that compressed files reads faster than uncompressed files? That is just retarded!!

why would someone say that? well because its true. i don't know how it works for sure, but oblivion developers talked about it and said they have to put duplicate data on the disc so that the game could play fast enough. if something is compresses it takes up les physical space on the disc, where uncompresses data would take up a larger physical amount of space. from what i have read compresses data is faster to read. though i can't really tell you why, but it has been documented.

rezine39
05-15-2007, 01:56 PM
daps you really have no idea what your talking about. Go back to your cave.

daps83777
05-15-2007, 02:17 PM
daps you really have no idea what your talking about. Go back to your cave.

yeah and devs that have talked about it that are working on the PS3 should go back to there caves as well because they don't know what they are talking about either correct?

Michael1
05-15-2007, 06:13 PM
I would say the Ps3 has mainly lived up to my expectations.. the only thing that bugs me is the lack of compatibility for ps2 titles ( I have a PAL machine). Fair enough...i upgraded the fw to 1.7 and that has helped alot but Ps2 backwards compatibility still has quite a long way to go.

One thing I really love about it is its sheer versitility...she's great for games but she's good for so many other things as well and thats where the Ps3 comes into its own.

Nope so far no regrets in choosing a Ps3 over the other 2 consoles. Am content with mine (will be more content when i get Gran Turismo HD and Ratchet and clank though!! :D :D )

Azariel
05-16-2007, 04:01 AM
Uncompressed data pops another problem wise, Bandwidht. Is damn horrible to woirjk on real time renders with uncompressed data , sicne Bandwidht is an issue, if the processor is fast enough, can "beef up" the data faster and use less bandwidht to run other process. better balance. yes, compressed data is better, try to play a 5 minute RAW wav on your tiny Mp3, and then try Mp3 ogg or whatever to feel the difference.