Analyst: DS could be the greatest ever

[Zeus]

Analysts from DFC Intelligence have estimated that the DS could be the best ever selling platform EVER as the overall value of the portable market rises to over $10 BILLION in 2007.



The DS has the potential to be the best-selling interactive entertainment platform ever,” said DFC analyst David Cole in brief teaser for the report, The Market for Portable Video Games.

He added that although the PSP is trailing the DS, Cole estimates both systems will drive growth of the portable gaming market to over $10 billion this year. “Under the right scenario, by 2011 the combined installed base of the DS and PSP could exceed that for the Nintendo Wii, Sony PlayStation 3 and Microsoft Xbox 360,” said Cole in a statement.


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[XxBigP123xX]

why are these things still selling? all the games suck,they were easy to hack, and im sure every jap has one by now. well i geuss all the little kids still want em to throw around:p

[voteforpedro36]

why are these things still selling? all the games suck,they were easy to hack, and im sure every jap has one by now. well i geuss all the little kids still want em to throw around:p


Because they kick the **** out of the PSP.

And no games? What world do you live in? MP:H, Trauma Center, Mario, Lost in Blue, Pokemon (soon I think)... there's a game for everyone out there...

[thaddius]

why are these things still selling? all the games suck,they were easy to hack, and im sure every jap has one by now. well i geuss all the little kids still want em to throw around:p
You're just jealous cause your handheld isn't selling. Buck up and take it like a man!

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why are these things still selling? all the games suck,they were easy to hack, and im sure every jap has one by now. well i geuss all the little kids still want em to throw around:p

someone's jealous

sorry but psp's going down the drain with UMD

[{{909}}]

I think the current market is headed as the report suggests, in the previous generations 1 home console has taken a vast majority of the market, namely the PS1/2 and handheld gaming was a smaller thing.
This time around the home console market is very fragmented, the wii has come along and took a massive chunk already, sony has lost some ground and M$ are set to do better then they did last time atleast, the DS has not only sustained Nintendos dominance in the handheld market but widened it by appealing to far more people than they could before. The tables have turned, and this time its very much in nintendo's favour.

[aaronaja]

At least PSP did not sell out its original fanbase to appeal to Non-gamers. That is just as bad as whoring out your mother for drug money. YOU'RE OWN FREAKING MOTHER.

You folks cannot even call yourself a true GAMER anymore because you let Nintendo dictate their tastes in games to you. They tell you to like it and you tell them "YES I WILL, MASTER" with your wallets. Most of the original Nintendo gamers moved on to better things like Sega Genesis, Playstation, PS2, and Xbox, and Xbox 360. You guys however are just idiotic because you are co-dependent on Nintendo instead of self dependent. You will throw yourselves in harms way just to protect Nintendo by ignorantly backing up their lies and slander against other companies. You guys are pathetic. Nintendo gamers are below being a gamer. Being a gamer was about enjoying the games YOU LIKE. Not what some company or the media dictates you to like. And the only media outlet you bastards have is Nintendo.

[Cyclone57]

The PSP does suck. In the UK. Unhacked.
Because in the UK you only get **** games for the PSP. But in the real world, where you have a hacked PSP with a 4GB Memory Stick running games like DJ Max Portable and Initial D Street Stage, then the PSP kicks the **** out of the DS. However, the DS is winning because its good games are actually released in the UK. The PSP is really **** in the UK.

[t0ywizard]

At least PSP did not sell out its original fanbase to appeal to Non-gamers. That is just as bad as whoring out your mother for drug money. YOU'RE OWN FREAKING MOTHER.

You folks cannot even call yourself a true GAMER anymore because you let Nintendo dictate their tastes in games to you. They tell you to like it and you tell them "YES I WILL, MASTER" with your wallets. Most of the original Nintendo gamers moved on to better things like Sega Genesis, Playstation, PS2, and Xbox, and Xbox 360. You guys however are just idiotic because you are co-dependent on Nintendo instead of self dependent. You will throw yourselves in harms way just to protect Nintendo by ignorantly backing up their lies and slander against other companies. You guys are pathetic. Nintendo gamers are below being a gamer. Being a gamer was about enjoying the games YOU LIKE. Not what some company or the media dictates you to like. And the only media outlet you bastards have is Nintendo.

Sony is doing the exact same thing but is failing horribly at it. Wait, I take back that statement of sony is doing the exact same thing as nintendo. What i mean is that sony tries MUCH harder than nintendo to persuade gamers by adding those non-gaming related craps on the PSP such as mp3's, movie players, picture views.... the crap just goes on. Anyways, the nintendo DS is focused ONLY on games (Duh). Why would a True gamer buy a portable gaming system to watch movies or listen to mp3's when they can get a portable that is the best focused on games? Second thing, you can't compare the DS POrtable system to Non-Portable systems; that's like comparing a tree to a dog.

[aaronaja]

Sony is doing the exact same thing but is failing horribly at it. Wait, I take back that statement of sony is doing the exact same thing as nintendo. What i mean is that sony tries MUCH harder than nintendo to persuade gamers by adding those non-gaming related craps on the PSP such as mp3's, movie players, picture views.... the crap just goes on. Anyways, the nintendo DS is focused ONLY on games (Duh). Why would a True gamer buy a portable gaming system to watch movies or listen to mp3's when they can get a portable that is the best focused on games? Second thing, you can't compare the DS POrtable system to Non-Portable systems; that's like comparing a tree to a dog.


Who cares if the focus of the thing was to be multifaceted. The point I was trying to make, THAT YOU WERE TO DUMB TO REALIZE, was that this new generation of Nintendo gamers and the Nintendo fanboys, can barely be called a gamer in their own right because they subject their taste to corporate wills and the media outlets of that same corporation; IE Nintendo. I mean didn't a third party developer just recently call out to Nintendo fanboys saying that they are the hardest consumers to please because they only and exclusively buy Nintendo games and games that fit the Nintendo image? That is my point. You're tastes are not even your own tastes but rather the will of a company to buy their games exclusively and deem anything else, SUB PAR. You are not improving the industry and further developing it. You are KILLING IT with your subjective behavior to Nintendo ONLY.

If Nintendo becomes a monopoly again, thanks to your efforts, will any good come out of it? That is something every gamer, especially Nintendo gamers should ask themselves. And I beg you to answer that same question.

[Nemo29]

got ds and its ok no more. not got psp so cant comment, but i really dont understand quite how so many ds's have been sold, it really isnt THAT good, neither are the games.

[t0ywizard]

Who cares if the focus of the thing was to be multifaceted. The point I was trying to make, THAT YOU WERE TO DUMB TO REALIZE, was that this new generation of Nintendo gamers and the Nintendo fanboys, can barely be called a gamer in their own right because they subject their taste to corporate wills and the media outlets of that same corporation; IE Nintendo. I mean didn't a third party developer just recently call out to Nintendo fanboys saying that they are the hardest consumers to please because they only and exclusively buy Nintendo games and games that fit the Nintendo image? That is my point. You're tastes are not even your own tastes but rather the will of a company to buy their games exclusively and deem anything else, SUB PAR. You are not improving the industry and further developing it. You are KILLING IT with your subjective behavior to Nintendo ONLY.

If Nintendo becomes a monopoly again, thanks to your efforts, will any good come out of it? That is something every gamer, especially Nintendo gamers should ask themselves. And I beg you to answer that same question.


HUH?:confused: People buy from Nintendo because they are a trusted and respected company! Shouldn't people buy from a company that they trust and feel reliable with? I wouldn't want to buy things from the black market or from a drunk person on the street. Why are Nintendo fans the hardest consumers to please?(very simple question) maybe because those consumers are MORE pleased by Nintendo than those other companies. Why is that true?(again very simple) may be because Nintendo just produce BETTER games. Nintendo's products might be good or might not but that is just a matter of opinion. Why is people buying more DS' than PSP's? well, they just like DS more. It's really not that hard. You shouldn't make such a biased comment. You seem a bit hard headed. I say that you Are a straightlaced person who's difficult to convince.;)

[Marios_shadow]

At least PSP did not sell out its original fanbase to appeal to Non-gamers. That is just as bad as whoring out your mother for drug money. YOU'RE OWN FREAKING MOTHER.

You folks cannot even call yourself a true GAMER anymore because you let Nintendo dictate their tastes in games to you. They tell you to like it and you tell them "YES I WILL, MASTER" with your wallets. Most of the original Nintendo gamers moved on to better things like Sega Genesis, Playstation, PS2, and Xbox, and Xbox 360. You guys however are just idiotic because you are co-dependent on Nintendo instead of self dependent. You will throw yourselves in harms way just to protect Nintendo by ignorantly backing up their lies and slander against other companies. You guys are pathetic. Nintendo gamers are below being a gamer. Being a gamer was about enjoying the games YOU LIKE. Not what some company or the media dictates you to like. And the only media outlet you bastards have is Nintendo.
When did Nintendo sell out it's fanbase? There are quite a few games that remain faithful to the original gameplay, IE New Super Mario Bros., Mario Kart DS, Castlevania, Yoshi's Island, the list goes on and on. And what was that about dictating what our tastes? I play touch games because I LIKE to play them, not because nintendo came out with it, if sony did it, i'd play it still. Lies and Slander? Isn't sony the utmost authority on that? Go read sony's old press statements when they first released the ps3.

[psybernaut]

Who cares if the focus of the thing was to be multifaceted. The point I was trying to make, THAT YOU WERE TO DUMB TO REALIZE, was that this new generation of Nintendo gamers and the Nintendo fanboys, can barely be called a gamer in their own right because they subject their taste to corporate wills and the media outlets of that same corporation; IE Nintendo. I mean didn't a third party developer just recently call out to Nintendo fanboys saying that they are the hardest consumers to please because they only and exclusively buy Nintendo games and games that fit the Nintendo image? That is my point. You're tastes are not even your own tastes but rather the will of a company to buy their games exclusively and deem anything else, SUB PAR. You are not improving the industry and further developing it. You are KILLING IT with your subjective behavior to Nintendo ONLY.

If Nintendo becomes a monopoly again, thanks to your efforts, will any good come out of it? That is something every gamer, especially Nintendo gamers should ask themselves. And I beg you to answer that same question.


Look here son... I've spilled more quarters than you've ever spent in an arcade... and I've whuped fools just like you all night long on every muliplayer game since pong. I'm not only a gamer. I've been a progamer for through 3 home consol generations.

I bought a DS. The DS is tight. The Psp is also tight. But not for the money. That's why DS is selling 6:1 to the Psp... and that also makes you a fool sir.

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HUH?:confused: People buy from Nintendo because they are a trusted and respected company! Shouldn't people buy from a company that they trust and feel reliable with? I wouldn't want to buy things from the black market or from a drunk person on the street. Why are Nintendo fans the hardest consumers to please?(very simple question) maybe because those consumers are MORE pleased by Nintendo than those other companies. Why is that true?(again very simple) may be because Nintendo just produce BETTER games. Nintendo's products might be good or might not but that is just a matter of opinion. Why is people buying more DS' than PSP's? well, they just like DS more. It's really not that hard. You shouldn't make such a biased comment. You seem a bit hard headed. I say that you Are a straightlaced person who's difficult to convince.;)

better games? that's pure bullcrap

what has nintendo gave this console generation for real gamers? a 10 yr old rehash that's so easy a baby could've finished it (zelda), the rest of games are shallow party games made for non gamers (wiisports)

look at epic's gears of war, ubisoft's GRAW, they all outshine nintendo, heck even capcom is better with their little project called dead rising

nintendo make good games, true, better than konami, square, capcom, or epic? hardly

[t0ywizard]

better games? that's pure bullcrap

what has nintendo gave this console generation for real gamers? a 10 yr old rehash that's so easy a baby could've finished it (zelda), the rest of games are shallow party games made for non gamers (wiisports)

look at epic's gears of war, ubisoft's GRAW, they all outshine nintendo, heck even capcom is better with their little project called dead rising

nintendo make good games, true, better than konami, square, capcom, or epic? hardly

UM.... As i said, it's a matter of opinion; there is no right or wrong. A TRUE NON- 10 Year Old/Adult would not come up with such a childish argument. Read the arguments of those who own psp's and those who own DS' and you can see that those DS owners are no different in maturity than the PSP owners. BUT, according to this thread so far, i can only describe the PSP fans as either small kids or angry red necks.

[{{909}}]

looks like we have a new moron, or has retroboy spent the last few months of relative silence taking my advice and growing a brain?

Just because I own a DS and enjoy playing it doesnt make me a victim of some global mindwashing conspiracy, i bought a PSP shortly after my DS, at the time the DS wasnt really doing much and i was hungry for a new gadget. My psp has been in the drawer for the best part of the last 12 months, if fact i only took it out to try popstation.
Theres only one reason for this, its not mind wash, its the fact that theres very few games on the damn thing that i want to play, and any that i do i can play on my PS2 or Xbox.

Nintendo may have chosen to appeal to 'other' gamers this time around, but who in their right mind would argue against that decision? Nintendo havn't been this strong in the industry for well over a decade. If you dont like the path they have taken, then you dont have to buy their consoles, but its obvious the vast majority of gamers are very happy with it.

As far as i'm concerned the games industry was spiralling into its own grave, more and more boring generic clones of last years games are coming out, the average gamer shows no interest in games unless its a FPS or a GTA game. The indsutry cannot survive like that.
Sony kick started the whole casual gamer thing with the PS1 and at the time it was highly praised, but 10 years down the line it attracted far too many mindless morons. Too many casual gamers buying FIFA every fucking year isnt doing anyone any good apart from EA.

Everyone leaps in rejoice when a PS3 exclusive makes it to the 360, but what does this achieve really? more of the same games, just on a different console. Oh, great.
How about the companies tried a NEW game, a NEW franchise...but they cant/wont because the target market shuns such a thing.
Viva Pinata stands out on the 360, its new, its different, its bright, it doesnt involve blowing people away...and the sales of it are terrible, so much so that members of rare left the company and the game has been suggested as a future DS title.

The Wii and DS saved the gaming industry for me, just like the NES did 20 years ago.


That doesnt mean i think the Wii and DS and the be all of gaming, far from it, not does it mean i dont agree with franchise games. I will be first in the que to buy a PS3 and MGS4 but i sure as hell couldnt care less for sony and MS's c0ck comparing contest that they so arrogantly pursue.

To me there have been 2 major thing happen this generation that are a major kick in the face to a TRUE gamer, one was the abrupt death of the xbox1, the second is Bluray.

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UM.... As i said, it's a matter of opinion; there is no right or wrong. A TRUE NON- 10 Year Old/Adult would not come up with such a childish argument. Read the arguments of those who own psp's and those who own DS' and you can see that those DS owners are no different in maturity than the PSP owners.

the reason DS selling so well is
a. non gamers, and
b. nintendo brand on handheld

has little to do with gaming, the first 6 months of nds the only worthwhile game is a 5 yr old port, super mario 64

even know, the "games" that had a breakthrough in ds is nintendogs, and brain training

same with wii, the only attractive offer of that console right now is a 10 yr old rehash, the rest appeals only for non gamers, the high sales due to
a. non gamers, who nominated wiisports as game of the year over GeOW
b. nintendo fanboys who feed anything nintendo spit on them

[t0ywizard]

the reason DS selling so well is
a. non gamers, and
b. nintendo brand on handheld

has little to do with gaming, the first 6 months of nds the only worthwhile game is a 5 yr old port, super mario 64

even know, the "games" that had a breakthrough in ds is nintendogs, and brain training

same with wii, the only attractive offer of that console right now is a 10 yr old rehash, the rest appeals only for non gamers, the high sales due to
a. non gamers, who nominated wiisports as game of the year over GeOW
b. nintendo fanboys who feed anything nintendo spit on them

You should "Stop_posting" false statements. Everyone of your comments are biased and non-logical. I only seen these phrases come out of the mouth of a 10 year old (or younger). Not a very strong Nor mature argument.

[stop_loading]

You should STOP stating false statements. Everyone of your comments are biased and non-logical. I only seen these phrases come out of the mouth of a 10 year old (or younger). Not a very strong Nor mature argument.

coming from a person who said

"Everyone of your comments", lol

[{{909}}]

coming from a person who said

"Everyone of your comments", lol


and you said "the reason DS selling so well is "

your point is?

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and you said "the reason DS selling so well is "

your point is?

do you see me saying this:

"I only seen these phrases come out of the mouth of a 10 year old (or younger)."

to him?

[aaronaja]

looks like we have a new moron, or has retroboy spent the last few months of relative silence taking my advice and growing a brain?

Just because I own a DS and enjoy playing it doesnt make me a victim of some global mindwashing conspiracy, i bought a PSP shortly after my DS, at the time the DS wasnt really doing much and i was hungry for a new gadget. My psp has been in the drawer for the best part of the last 12 months, if fact i only took it out to try popstation.
Theres only one reason for this, its not mind wash, its the fact that theres very few games on the damn thing that i want to play, and any that i do i can play on my PS2 or Xbox.

Nintendo may have chosen to appeal to 'other' gamers this time around, but who in their right mind would argue against that decision? Nintendo havn't been this strong in the industry for well over a decade. If you dont like the path they have taken, then you dont have to buy their consoles, but its obvious the vast majority of gamers are very happy with it.

As far as i'm concerned the games industry was spiralling into its own grave, more and more boring generic clones of last years games are coming out, the average gamer shows no interest in games unless its a FPS or a GTA game. The indsutry cannot survive like that.
Sony kick started the whole casual gamer thing with the PS1 and at the time it was highly praised, but 10 years down the line it attracted far too many mindless morons. Too many casual gamers buying FIFA every fucking year isnt doing anyone any good apart from EA.

Everyone leaps in rejoice when a PS3 exclusive makes it to the 360, but what does this achieve really? more of the same games, just on a different console. Oh, great.
How about the companies tried a NEW game, a NEW franchise...but they cant/wont because the target market shuns such a thing.
Viva Pinata stands out on the 360, its new, its different, its bright, it doesnt involve blowing people away...and the sales of it are terrible, so much so that members of rare left the company and the game has been suggested as a future DS title.

The Wii and DS saved the gaming industry for me, just like the NES did 20 years ago.


That doesnt mean i think the Wii and DS and the be all of gaming, far from it, not does it mean i dont agree with franchise games. I will be first in the que to buy a PS3 and MGS4 but i sure as hell couldnt care less for sony and MS's c0ck comparing contest that they so arrogantly pursue.

To me there have been 2 major thing happen this generation that are a major kick in the face to a TRUE gamer, one was the abrupt death of the xbox1, the second is Bluray.

I think this would fit perfectly in here.

Nintendo fanboys want a Nintendo monopoly all over again.
Sony fanboys want Sony to rein supreme in the market.
Microsoft fanboys want Microsoft as a leader in the market.

With that said I think my statement holds true to every fanboy and gamer.

[monkehmagic]

F@#k u guys are bitches!! aaronaja is right Nintendo don't ask you what u want, they tell you what you want!! And dam f@#ken straight they should!! The majority of ppl are idiots, you want proof look at the **** ppl post on these forums in forums general!!

It takes great minds & corporations to come up with ways gaming can step into the future in a positive way. Not the average gamer who believes he has the right to say how he wants to be entertained.

[lobo32332]

I got into gaming with the NES, you know, "old school", "back in the day" etc...what really gets me is this whole gfx whore of a gaming generation that came about after N64 and PS1 who think they're "hardcore" gamers and everything that doesn't appeal to them is "kiddy". Grow up son, stop basing your ego (especially internet ego) on the games you play...its not our fault you come up lacking in your own manhood department.

[felixm477]

like always whenever something good is mentioned about the ds it always turns out a "kiddie vs hardcore" debate. some of you need to get over it, before sony MARIO was hardcore. and last i checked Japan (the game leader that dictates what games and consoles are cool) was all about Mario and other kiddie games, Japan has a much higher tollerance for what we consider "childish" apparently over here we still seem to be rather closed minded. the DS is selling because its a overall good system its got over a thousand games with not 1 that i can recall ever not having a fun moment with (even the bad games) the DS also has alot of classic remakes like mario,Kart Ds,Diddy Kong, that bring in the oldschool gamers new games like brainage that bring in nongamers. Nintendo has always known how to sell a handheld to everyone. Sony tried but sadly their target audience for the psp is very small and most likely prefer to game on a home console instead.

[Xenogears V]

It is beating every record of sale, but in general, the record is up to the Ps2, if I don't mistake 100 M of console sold!.

[kayjay]

the sales of the nintendo ds and the wii are driven by what i call the "apple"-effect. that means nintendo has created an artificial cult around itself.

look at all the iMAC and iPOD freaks... they are pathetic.
theyre buying apple's products because of their status in the society and their so-called novelty features.

the wiimote is not an novelty for me. its like all the joypads/gimmicks for the pc.
in the end youll still prefer using the keyboard and mouse.
THE SAME goes for consoles: id am very comfortable using a joypad, im familiar with it!

[Happsai]

Would anyone care to define what exactly a "true gamer" is and what a "true gamer" plays? Also, if possible, please explain why Nintendo doesn't appeal to "true gamers" or make games for them.
A lot of people here seem to act like they know what "true gamer" means, but they don't dare say what it is...:confused:

[{{909}}]

look at all the iMAC and iPOD freaks... they are pathetic.
theyre buying apple's products because of their status in the society and their so-called novelty features.

which is exactly what sony did when they launched the PS1



THE SAME goes for consoles: id am very comfortable using a joypad, im familiar with it!

which is exactly what gamers said when nintendo introduced the joypad and the analogue stick. "do i HAVE to use analogue?"
The PS4 and 360.2 will both have wii influneces, i would bet diamonds on it.

The wii remote is not intended to be an alternate control method for the same games like in your joypad/kb/mouse comparison. Its intention was to allow new game styles that were previously impossible with a pad/mouse/kb etc. Its just fact that not every game can do this, so old game styles have to be adapted, and so far they are working pretty well, but far from perfect it has to be said.

[Happsai]

which is exactly what gamers said when nintendo introduced the joypad and the analogue stick. "do i HAVE to use analogue?"
The PS4 and 360.2 will both have wii influneces, i would bet diamonds on it.]
Interesting. When I think about it, the NES was the first console to use a cross for the d-pad (rather than something with all directions/angles), and it's now standard. The NES was also first with the "Zapper", which has made appearances on many other consoles. The SNES was the first one to use shoulder buttons, which are now standard. Gameboy was the first console to be compact and powered by batteries. N64 was first to use analog, also a standard now. Nintendo also invented the small "select" and "start" buttons -- don't try to convince me that Sony would have coincidentally thought of the same idea on their own. To be fair, one might argue that Nintendo stole the idea of pausing the game from the controller from the Atari 5200 (a stretch, I know). And I wouldn't be surprised if the next competing handheld was built with a touch screen and/or microphone.

The point is, Nintendo has done very well with innovation over the years and has redefined the standards of gameplay for decades. SEGA had adopted each of these new standards with their consoles that followed Nintendo's previous. Sony seems to be trying to learn from Nintendo's history and adapt to the new standards that are being invented by them (as they should).

I would say that your diamond bet is fairly safe... and I want in on the action!

[aaronaja]

Interesting. When I think about it, the NES was the first console to use a cross for the d-pad (rather than something with all directions/angles), and it's now standard. The NES was also first with the "Zapper", which has made appearances on many other consoles. The SNES was the first one to use shoulder buttons, which are now standard. Gameboy was the first console to be compact and powered by batteries. N64 was first to use analog, also a standard now. Nintendo also invented the small "select" and "start" buttons -- don't try to convince me that Sony would have coincidentally thought of the same idea on their own. To be fair, one might argue that Nintendo stole the idea of pausing the game from the controller from the Atari 5200 (a stretch, I know). And I wouldn't be surprised if the next competing handheld was built with a touch screen and/or microphone.

The point is, Nintendo has done very well with innovation over the years and has redefined the standards of gameplay for decades. SEGA had adopted each of these new standards with their consoles that followed Nintendo's previous. Sony seems to be trying to learn from Nintendo's history and adapt to the new standards that are being invented by them (as they should).

I would say that your diamond bet is fairly safe... and I want in on the action!


It can count that hardware innovations are standardized but what really matters are the games and HOW those innovations are used properly. With the DS and the Wii I don't see so much of effective execution on the games with the new hardware like sony or microsoft has with theirs. I think that execution of the concept is much more important and how effective is the hardware concept in games.

Just to bring up that Sony had more motion sensing technology patents even before the Wii controller patents were submitted, but Nintendo picked one way to bring it to reality, at the cost of not infringing on other patents that would have much more effective results. In fact Nintendo was looking into using a camera with the next console but when Sony was granted the patent of motion sensing with their own camera and a "light wand" that sort of threw Nintendo's original plans out the window.

I think that the sixaxis is not the end result of Sony's plans but only the beginning much like how the dualshock 2 was and the Eyetoy was an add-on. I expect sony to follow up with a more accurate motion sensing technology withing a year of the PS3 launch instead of a pricedrop. Expect an HD camera and something similar to the Wii controller, as an add-on. The point that Sony will most likely try and make is that Nintendo focus is on peripheral hardware instead of the whole intricate system within the main unit to bring out everything with great execution from the main games, to the add-ons, to multiple ways to play the same games and different games.

But I think I am giving Sony too much credit. We just have to wait and see. I don't think Sony's focus is on the games to begin with but on Blu-ray first and foremost. In fact if sony comes in either a close or distant second, they win anyway with the success of blu-ray. As long as they beat Microsoft as their main competitor they could care less about what Nintendo does. But expect a cheaper PS4 with another format and a more "put together" technology all around with motion sensing and a powerful main unit.

I think we underestimate all of our hardware manufacturers due to their tendency to just ***** and moan about the competition. But I think that the competition is good for the industry. Who knows maybe Nintendo was right about changing the way we play games but one thing they are wrong about is that we should not be challenged as gamers. We need a good challenge to keep coming back to gaming. A different challenge. A new challenge. Even though Nintendo offers new ways to play games they offer little in the way of challenge and thus many turn away from Nintendo.

Overall it will be an interesting generation with Nintendo becoming more competitive than ever but until they step up the challenge expect many to turn away.

[scoochie4]

nintendo make good games, true, better than konami, square, capcom, or epic? hardly

First of all, epic have made TWO games. Unreal and gears of war. They haven't exactly been churning out quality games for TWENTY YEARS!!
Also, play mario kart ds and then comment

[aaronaja]

First of all, epic have made TWO games. Unreal and gears of war. They haven't exactly been churning out quality games for TWENTY YEARS!!
Also, play mario kart ds and then comment

Yeah because the newest itteration of Mario Kart DS is the escense of originality:rolleyes: I have played Mario Kart DS myself and own it too. It is nothing special over what epic makes. Mario Kart DS is a "nice" game but Gears of War is nothing short of "Phenominal". Obviously you are more concerned with what games have been made in the PAST. The past does not matter. It is what games they make NOW and HOW they COMPETE. That is what matters. Obviously you are more concerned with WHAT Nintendo tells you to like instead of developing your own taste like I said. Even if you retort with something along the line of "I work in the industry so I know what I am talking about" you obviously do not because you are still willing to subgigate your own tastes to the WILL of Nintendo. Play some other Non-Nintendo games like God of War and Gears of War, and then tell me that "THOSE GAMES SUCK IN COMPARISON TO MARIO KART DS"

[rezine39]

Excellent Post 909. Thats what i was trying to say last time in another thread. Mindless drones cheering about losses of exclusives and just being forced fed shooters etc. Really good post man

[t0ywizard]

coming from a person who said

"Everyone of your comments", lol


Um, this is just a post; big deal, i forgot to press my space key. I DON'T read over what i type 5 times and then correct all my mistakes as if i would do for a college essay. Stop being a hypocrite because you do the same thing but with a worse intensity. Check your own posts.



nintendo make good games, true, better than konami, square, capcom, or epic? hardly

Nintendo "make" good games------- shouldn't make be Makes since Nintendo is a singular noun?

Plus, this is even not a sentence. YOu fail;)

[Azariel]

Nintendo has a point, they have big long time franchise on their hands and support much more wide appealing gmaes than games that only appeal to a fraction of the public.
PSP won't never reach NDS level because is very restricted to please a Fraction of the public, hardcore gamer ( nothing wrong with it )..and YES they ( Sony ) launched PSP to please Sony fanbase.. those who already had a PS1, Ps2 or even wanted one. Outsiders from Sony fanbase can be counted as fewm, while NDS spreads on both Fanbase and New ( or former ) games.
I play games since Atari times, I don't feel "frustrated" playign a platform, or touch & game types on NDS, I do feel unplesaed when games without content like "Ghost Rider" , a port from PS2 game coems to PS2 ( an example within most of the common game types on PSP ).
Wide screen is nice, specially to read or see pictures, but weight and size are against the usability of the product. Plus I am growing old of playing 3D games with bad programing, cameras, on most cases just beefed GFX that becoems repetitive after some minutes.
The touch screen was a nice move, I can even share a game with my wife , on NDS and that is the case of many, as I know to brign a girl to the gaming world is not that easy, since most of hardcore games are focusing on
the male market ( whci girl dreams to be a super soldier carrying the most advacned weapons and and look that "macho" on a fantasy world....)
All in all, even the "hardware limitations" ( compared to PSP) games and interface opened the path to spread the gaming culture, for those who wants something different, the curious, and even the hardcore game addict can find something.
And is not like they are all "idiots" because Nintendo is domianting "minds" and taste. Developers make the games.
I am even thinking to give one to My father in law. :D .