Video: Backwards Compatibility on PS3 Looks bad

[Zeus]

A video which attacks the display of PS2 games on the PS3. We must say it doesn't look too hot for the PS3, but the guy who made this video seems to have a big grudge.

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[imforpbj]

Where's Bleemcast? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleemcast!) :)
Blii?
Bleem60?

[psychospeedster]

not to bad if you ask me. Its a classic quantity over quality ideal though. It seems to work well for the gaming market though. Backwards compatibility is something id like to have in quantity so I am not stuck being able to play only a few games from my large collection of titles. These jaggies and artifacts can and will probably be fixed with firmware updates. Sorry 360, id rather play all my favorite games with a little visual quality loss than only a few with them looking better and still buggy.

[WalkingTiger]

Boy... I sincerely hope that was just one person's experience, because if PS2 games look like that on PS3... Yikes... I sincerely hope if this is indeed the case, that Sony aknowledges the issue quickly & issues some patching, because that *did* look bad... Final Fantasy X looking like that... Ugg... There's just no excuse for that... Doesn't look like I'd be getting rid of my PS2 even if I were getting a PS3...:eek:

~WalkingTiger

[Osiris]

Woah, as if PS2 didn't have enough jaggies already...

That is quite disgusting, imagine the size of those jaggies on a large tv!

Just another thing to hate sony and the PS3 for.

[SLAYERPSP]

I think the games look better on the ps3 at least it seems to be for me i didnt know a ps2 has a hdmi port on it like the ps3. it doesnt so how can the games look better on the ps2 when the ps3 has a better cable. i think the colors look better on the ps3. but im still bummed the games dont get upscaned like they do on the 360 ive played well over 60 bc games on the 360 most run perfect and look a lot better on the 360 then they did on the xbox how is that a bad thing. with well over 200 games now bc forza, dead or alive 3, black, all the gta games halo 1, halo 2 ,kelly slater surfing. rally sport,family guy and so many others that run great. im sorry but my ps3 is just a paper weight right now i only use it for blu ray movies and re4 kinda sad for a machine with all this power and the games all suck not one good game to play intill feb they should have waited intill march to launch this thing in the usa no software means no fun

[Cyclone57]

This looks pretty bad for Sony... >.<
They're gonna need to work on this if I'm gonna buy one at the UK release! xD

[et100]

Looks like a total sh*t too me.

Old SNES games with super lower resolutions, still looks nice with little bit of filterings from the emulators.

Even emu programmers can do it for free.
Why can't you, Sony?

[goostoff]

I don't know if I'd call it a grudge. I'd be pissed if I found out that backwards compatibility quality was less than the original. At least Microsoft was honest and said that not all games would be available for play on the 360 at the beginning.

[Trashcat]

So not only there is no good ps3 games to make it worse purchase but your old games will look like crap, looks like PS2 will be outselling ps3 for a long time. How you can have the actual PS2 hardware inside and still make games look worse is beyond me, must be the power of Cell, guess sony desperately wanted to save a few bucks. Tell us sony why should we bother getting a ps3? Oh right, eat it or no Final Fantasy for you, I forgot.

[zetsurin]

Wow, so the result is:

PS1/PS2 games running on PS3 look like Wii games. Meh.

[cory149]

Oh right, eat it or no Final Fantasy for you, I forgot.
You do realize they have FFXI (the online one) on X360 already... right?

[MadonnaProject]

haha.

super expensive.
NOT available.
no games.
horrible backwards compatibility.
bad repute.


wonder whats next.

i hate my wii and ps3. TRUELY DISAPPOINTING. well the wii is better than the ps3, as of right now, but i really wanna play mgs 4 and final fantasy 13, apart from that nothing else seems interesting. in the same way mario galaxy and metroid corruption, are only interesting things about the wii.

(twilight princess is a gamecube game. sorry.)

as for those people who ***** about xbox 360 backwards compatibility, maybe a thought to what a fantastic feat it is getting games from another console to run in perfect speed and sometimes better ghraphics on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT hardware, would make you realise how good MS has done on their backwards compatibility drive.

anyways an original xbox is selling for less than 50 bucks. go buy it if you want the games to be experienced as they were intended.

[technosexual]

is anyone sure this video is even real?


You do realize they have FFXI (the online one) on X360 already... right?

the worst one really...

[starwave]

i dont know about that vid. unless someone here on the boards have tried FF10 on their ps3,and say it looks crap like that, im not buying it. it sounds soo unbelievable that the ps3 plays ps2 games like that>!! i have FF10 but i dont really try out any ps2 games on my ps3 cause i still have a SDTV. i will be getting my HD within a month. so until then i wont believe this video. also my friend tried FF12 on his ps3 and told me it looks waay batter. much cleaner and better colors!! whether its just ff10 that looks shitty,i dont think all ps2 games will look like that!!:confused:

[PSPWAD]

Seriously people, I understand MGS4, but final fantasy? Sorry but that series is a CROCK! NONE of the games are related, they have their own story, so basically, it's an RPG with the label "Final Fantasy" on it. Dragon Quest could have been named "Final Fantasy" and more people would buy it, why? because of the name! IMO, if yo have a series, keep a trend, MGS, they have story linked together, Zelda they have Link and Zelda, in Mario games there is mario, what is the link in the final fantasy series? Oh right, the NAME...utter crap IMO (expecially since all I hear is Final Fantasy Fanboys/fangirls b.itching about how "there hasn't been a good one since THIS or THAT number).

[Azariel]

haha.
anyways an original xbox is selling for less than 50 bucks. go buy it if you want the games to be experienced as they were intended.

I want to play Ultraman sereis, Super Robot wars series, Custom Robo, Romance of the three Kingdom, and some Bleach games, Evangelion, Donkey konga, tales of series, and some GOOD RPG ( not the American ones..) ... what? not for Xbox , not for 360 neither..too bad.. thanks Godess I have GC and Ps2 ...:D ..even NDS rpg's are much better than a 360 ;)

[Azariel]

Seriously people, I understand MGS4, but final fantasy? Sorry but that series is a CROCK! NONE of the games are related, they have their own story, so basically, it's an RPG with the label "Final Fantasy" on it. Dragon Quest could have been named "Final Fantasy" and more people would buy it, why? because of the name! IMO, if yo have a series, keep a trend, MGS, they have story linked together, Zelda they have Link and Zelda, in Mario games there is mario, what is the link in the final fantasy series? Oh right, the NAME...utter crap IMO (expecially since all I hear is Final Fantasy Fanboys/fangirls b.itching about how "there hasn't been a good one since THIS or THAT number).

Well, most of the Rpg's series are that way.. but sometiems you can find relations, ( someoens are really good like Chrono trigger and Cross ) or tales of, when you fight old characters. And yes..I get amused when i see people talking about FFXII as something good.. I tried to find soemthign good on it, they said the battle sistem changed and ...not, is the same "Meh.. my turn? " with the difference that now your charactrer has an annoying camera move this time.. ( they never got lessons from Mario 64 ) and some "lines of objective" Even FFVII has more enjoyable moments on his first 10 minutes than FFXII first 2 hours...

[gonepostl]

This is one of the many reasons that I'm not a launch buyer. *added to list of things sony needs to fix before I buy*

[pugton]

At end of the video they state that images are taken from other sources so its not even his experience of the game, if the PS3 videos were done using composite cables and the PS2 using component cables then this would make the difference (Thats what it looks like to me). From that video its impossible to see whether they are using the same cables (Its BS that no matter what TV/Cables you use its not different). Running FFX on my TV on a PS2 with composite cables looks like the video showing as PS3 but if i change to component cables then it looks more like the PS2 side.
I think this video comparison was done by either a PS3 hater or they havnt even researhced if they are correct. Everyone i know that has a PS3 says that if they run a PS2 game on a SDTV it looks rubbish but when run on a HDTV it looks just like PS2 was.
Also people have to remember its called backwards compatability not backwards perfection +. Sony has said they didnt make it look any better as they wanted it to be the same look as the original machine (More likely due to issues) but if most games run then it is a much greater achievement than M$ attempt with emulation. If you say the X360 BC is naff then you just get 360 owners saying well go out and get an original XBOX then (Doesnt that defeat the object of M$ giving BC then).
And from the video it looks like the colours are naff on the PS2 but cleared up on PS3 so obviously these havnt even been made on the same output sources as the PS2 ones look a bit yellow.

[PSPWAD]

If you say the X360 BC is naff then you just get 360 owners saying well go out and get an original XBOX then (Doesnt that defeat the object of M$ giving BC then).
Not really, as if you got an original XBOX you could just softmod it and use homebrew AS WELL AS play the old games...but that's beside the point...

[knux896]

I honestly hope that this video had some sort of quality loss or someting due to the PS2 game going through the HDMI cable. If that effect happens regardless of tv type as the video said than this is just sad.

I must say that it seems ironic that this post is up today since I just got to experience the PS3 for the first time today. I played a demo of NBA Live 07 and watched some videos. Apparently according to the videos Sony has on the PS3 demo unit it is the only system that features backwards compatibility. It seems to me that Sony hasn't heard that their are any other game consoles in this generation. :rolleyes:

Sony really needs to work hard to fix this problem, especially since their is a good number of people that hope to sell their PS2 to contribute towards purchasing a PS3.

[sens8]

My experience was with Silent Hill 2 ...and it just looked like utter crap on the PS3. I turned the *ucker off.

[pugton]

My experience was with Silent Hill 2 ...and it just looked like utter crap on the PS3. I turned the *ucker off.

What setup you got going on there. SDTV/HDTV and what kind of cables you using. And lets assume the PS2 game was a 10 how much worse would you say that Silent Hill 2 was.

[haki]

omg i did this same test cuz i wanted to see FFX LOOKS HORRIBLE!

[City Ninja]

600$ for what? a name brand? sorry you are not giving ANYONE any reason to jump and get it...ofcourse only the fanboys that think its the greatest thing ever, with its current horrible game library.

maybe in Japan, Sony....but so far in the States X360 seems to be doing just fine.

[phiber_optik]

as if xbox360 was damn good on backward compatibility, i remember they were few xbox title that is playable to 360 when it came out. compare that to sony, all games from ps2 and ps1 are PLAYABLE. maybe some of them might need patch to fix graphic glitches but thats no big deal cuz sony will fix it for sure on thier new firmware update.

why the hell we're compare backward compatiblity of this two console, its so obvious that sony proven they are capable of doing this. this is just a bug from the firmware of ps3. its something that sony is fixin right. see this backward compatiblity fixed in the future, while xbox360 will be left out with limited xbox games.

[SSChevy2001]

phiber_optik - MS should be given a lot of credit with it's compatiblity, when compared to Wii and PS3. Lets face it Wii is just a overclocked GC and PS3 has some PS2 hardware. While X360 had to emulated xbox on a completely different architecture. There is a big difference in the effort MS had to use to make backward compatibility possible.

Why in the world would anyone want a PS3? It's graphics are worst then the 360 and it's developers will always be 1 year behind.

List of PS3 failures
Sixxas Sucks
No Rumble
Slow Load Times
High Price
Low Supply
No HD Cables Included
PS1 Emulation only on PSP not PS3
Launch Games have worst graphics then X360
Frame Rate Problems on some games
No Scaler ( 1080I = 480P )
Power Hog
BluRay launch movies are only using MPEG2
Online Service is still new and doesn't allow multitasking
No 1080P Games on Launch
Backward Compatibility Limited
Backward Compatibility Graphics Sucks

[technosexual]

phiber_optik - MS should be given a lot of credit with it's compatiblity, when compared to Wii and PS3. Lets face it Wii is just a overclocked GC and PS3 has some PS2 hardware. While X360 had to emulated xbox on a completely different architecture. There is a big difference in the effort MS had to use to make backward compatibility possible.

Why in the world would anyone want a PS3? It's graphics are worst then the 360 and it's developers will always be 1 year behind.

List of PS3 failures
Sixxas Sucks
No Rumble
Slow Load Times
High Price
Low Supply
No HD Cables Included
PS1 Emulation only on PSP not PS3
Launch Games have worst graphics then X360
Frame Rate Problems on some games
No Scaler ( 1080I = 480P )
Power Hog
BluRay launch movies are only using MPEG2
Online Service is still new and doesn't allow multitasking
No 1080P Games on Launch
Backward Compatibility Limited
Backward Compatibility Graphics Sucks

a lot of the things you listed were problems with the 360 at one point, or still.

ms shouldnt really be 'praised' for their backwards compat, its not that good. it still has plenty of problemsl. also its pretty insane that it takes up 7gb of the 20gb hdd.

[aic007]

a lot of the things you listed were problems with the 360 at one point, or still.

ms shouldnt really be 'praised' for their backwards compat, its not that good. it still has plenty of problemsl. also its pretty insane that it takes up 7gb of the 20gb hdd.


The BC doesn't take up the full 7gigs, you lose about 1.5gig to formating
then you have

4GB is provided for game 'caching' or other hard drive-specific experiences developers want to build for their game

2GB is reserved to increase overall system functionality, including things like the Xbox emulator - to enable backwards compatibility

While it isn't perfect, it is emulating the original xbox which is an insane feat considering that the xbox was pretty powerful. I prefer the touched up limited list to the full list with worse graphics, but I don't get rid of my systems so I can always play the games on the original console.

[The Bat]

not to bad if you ask me. Its a classic quantity over quality ideal though. It seems to work well for the gaming market though. Backwards compatibility is something id like to have in quantity so I am not stuck being able to play only a few games from my large collection of titles. These jaggies and artifacts can and will probably be fixed with firmware updates. Sorry 360, id rather play all my favorite games with a little visual quality loss than only a few with them looking better and still buggy.

Those who didn't care enough for PS2 games over the past 6 years to actually buy a PS2 aren't likely going to be that interested in it now. Those who didn't want to bother with the $129 PS2 several months ago aren't likely to be the ones who went through the time, trouble, and expense of picking up a PS3 since its launch. And those who do want to play PS2 games and have PS2 games already have a PS2. Same deal for the first Xbox and its games. So you'd pick "more of the same, only worse", as opposed to "improved experiences with fewer titles, and only the same for the rest on the console already present"?

Besides, what Xbox games get buggy emulation on the 360? Microsoft has to build an emulator for each individual Xbox 1 title, and they get individually tested and verified as working before being released. Or can you name an example to back up your claim, where a Xbox game gets buggier through emulation?

[deadsoulasis]

your better off playing PS2 games on a PS2 ...with faking the HDTV thing with them ...most of the games look sweet rendered at fake 720p...

[PSPWAD]

At end of the video they state that images are taken from other sources so its not even his experience of the game, if the PS3 videos were done using composite cables and the PS2 using component cables then this would make the difference (Thats what it looks like to me). From that video its impossible to see whether they are using the same cables (Its BS that no matter what TV/Cables you use its not different). Running FFX on my TV on a PS2 with composite cables looks like the video showing as PS3 but if i change to component cables then it looks more like the PS2 side.
I think this video comparison was done by either a PS3 hater or they havnt even researhced if they are correct. Everyone i know that has a PS3 says that if they run a PS2 game on a SDTV it looks rubbish but when run on a HDTV it looks just like PS2 was.
Also people have to remember its called backwards compatability not backwards perfection +. Sony has said they didnt make it look any better as they wanted it to be the same look as the original machine (More likely due to issues) but if most games run then it is a much greater achievement than M$ attempt with emulation. If you say the X360 BC is naff then you just get 360 owners saying well go out and get an original XBOX then (Doesnt that defeat the object of M$ giving BC then).
And from the video it looks like the colours are naff on the PS2 but cleared up on PS3 so obviously these havnt even been made on the same output sources as the PS2 ones look a bit yellow.
This is VERY MUCH so true, it is not just some PS3 hater. I have a friend that doesn't read online news like this, he got a PS3, and he messaged me up last night complaining about how the PS2 games he had looked like crap on the PS3...

[Rockman_Joey]

You do realize they have FFXI (the online one) on X360 already... right?

Yay! New update allows FFXI to work on PS3 now so theyve both got it!

As for the playback, I prefer the game to play perfectly rather than look as it did thanks, well Sony can work on the upscaling. I can say leasts its better than when I played Ninja Gaiden Black on 360 with the consistant frame skipping, I dont know if it is fixed yet but I'm aware that it isnt stable in terms of Backward Compatibilty for 360.

[deadsoulasis]

I just popped in NG black Xbox 1 on my 360 and it seemed to play perfectly fine on mine here ...weird

back on PS3/PS2 ..it doesnt look great on PS3 ..but if you kept your PS2 anyhow (which would have been smart) ...this wouldnt be a issue ...glad I kept mine..I wouldnt sell it anyhow